HALO REACH is the current FPS graphic king on console. Not KILLZONE 2 anymore.

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#401 Kane04
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[QUOTE="dommeus"]

Err..no. Killzone 2, Metro and even HL2 Ep 2 look better than Reach.

monkeysmoke
Err..nope!.. & stop trying to be funny bringing games like that against the behamoth HALO REACH.You're making a fool of your own self.

you know you gonna end up moked on sigs dont you?
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#402 emperorzhang66
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Technically Yes. Looks wise, sometimes. But Kz3, is bout the same visually (i mean how appealing it is) But how are cow's forgetting Kz3 is going to Sub-hd :P
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#403 delta3074
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[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"]The truth is that GG used tricks & shortcuts like limiting colours,limiting scales & AI on screen to archieve killzone 2 vissuals while bungie didnt sacrifice or use any form of trick such as limiting colours or limiting enviromental scales to archieve halo reach's visual.

Halo reach' sandbox large scale enviroment,huge amounts of smart AI on screen & finally meeting 720p hd & increased poly counts is a big K.O to killzone 2.

TRUTH is bitter.Kane04

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You can't actually believe this is a fact right?

Reach uses pretty much the same animations as Halo 2, i'm dying to get some time on my hands to make some gifs
The "A.I." on Reach is little less than left and right strafe back and forward.
And if you think a graphics engine vomiting brightly colors like a rainbow is a good thing on a war game... Well then more power to you.

Side by side Reach does no look better than Killzone 2, period, truth is bitter and everyone here will prove you wrong, i see you join gs a month and a bit ago, let me tell you thats not how you act here, trying to pass opinions as facts... Actually SW is all about that, but what ever :P Have a nice day.

you have no idea what you are talking about,firstly, it's not 'brightly' coloured at all, it's really toned down from other halo's, secondly, the AI is what you would expect it to be in regards to the enemy you are fighting, the covenent are a different race, there tactics are different, an elite will stand and take fire until you drop his shields then he will move like mad and roll to stay out of your line of fire until his shields recharge, a brute will go all out to close with you and kill you and the hunters AI makes you work a bit to defeat it, stop thinking on the level of ducking behind cover, the elites are to arrogant and proud to do things like that, the enemy AI matches the characters, the friendly AI however leaves a lot to be desired, the 'dumb grunt' AI doesn't really cut the mustard, spartans AI is fine though.
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#404 dommeus
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[QUOTE="dommeus"]

Err..no. Killzone 2, Metro and even HL2 Ep 2 look better than Reach.

monkeysmoke

Err..nope!.. & stop trying to be funny bringing games like that against the behamoth HALO REACH.You're making a fool of your own self.

No trying to be funny, just my opinion. Also, it's spelt behemoth.

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#405 Kane04
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you have no idea what you are talking about(...)delta3074
Thats for the improve AI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1-iFPXU_yAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyEULXfZYKQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHJu6ieGLlU And this is for the animations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzft2MUOALo Just look at their feet, its like they are floating, you cannot discuss otherwise unless you are blind, those don't look like they are placing their feet on the ground to move forward at all.
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#406 tomarlyn
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Killzone 2 delivered the knockout punch long ago, Halo can only hope for a rematch next gen.
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#407 Macutchi
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such a shame that reach's framerate can drop to the low teens when the action gets hectic but gameplay wise i much prefer it to killzone 2 its just simply more playable and fun. cant believe bungie havent fixed the useless ai's driving skills though

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#408 blackace
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KZ2 was FPS king on consoles? Im a cow and I love KZ2 but I didnt know thatJ-WOW
KZ2 was never king, that's what's so funny about this thread.
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#409 blackace
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Killzone 2 delivered the knockout punch long ago, Halo can only hope for a rematch next gen. tomarlyn
Gears 2 looked as good as KZ2. Gears 3 and RAGE look better then KZ2.
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#410 Kane04
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such a shame that reach's framerate can drop to the low teens when the action gets hectic but gameplay wise i much prefer it to killzone 2 its just simply more playable and fun. cant believe bungie havent fixed the useless ai's driving skills though

Macutchi
I have Halo 2 on my Xbox and the parts of Halo 3 & Reach that i played felt pretty much exactly the same to play (not a good thing), specially Halo 3. Its like just some extra maps you bought online, i mean why the hell people love this so much compared to Killzone 2? KZ 2 is alot more fun to get a gun and shoot, just the reaction you get from the enemies... And i'm curious, isnt there any industry at all on the "planets" you visit on the Halo series? Where do all the weapons and vehicles come from? At least on Killzone you have a heavy industrialized race, you can see where all that comes from, and if you gonna fight a war you dont head for a forest or beach like in Halo, you go for the factories ;) i'm just saying...
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#411 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Killzone 2 delivered the knockout punch long ago, Halo can only hope for a rematch next gen. blackace
Gears 2 looked as good as KZ2. Gears 3 and RAGE look better then KZ2.

Rage.... yeah ok but its not out yet, I might as well say Halo 7 is teh king. Gears.... hell to the noooo. Most people actually agree UC2 is the daddy, but even Naughty Dog said they were beaten by KZ2.
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#412 Kane04
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[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Killzone 2 delivered the knockout punch long ago, Halo can only hope for a rematch next gen. tomarlyn
Gears 2 looked as good as KZ2. Gears 3 and RAGE look better then KZ2.

Rage.... yeah ok but its not out yet, I might as well say Halo 7 is teh king. Gears.... hell to the noooo. Most people actually agree UC2 is the daddy, but even Naughty Dog said they were beaten by KZ2.

:P "Technically" theres not much between them so it comes down to art style, and thats hell... Things people call art... Humans man :P IMO Killzone 2 looks alot more dramatic than UC2, maybe thats why ND said they were beaten.
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#413 Macutchi
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[QUOTE="Macutchi"]

such a shame that reach's framerate can drop to the low teens when the action gets hectic but gameplay wise i much prefer it to killzone 2 its just simply more playable and fun. cant believe bungie havent fixed the useless ai's driving skills though

Kane04

I have Halo 2 on my Xbox and the parts of Halo 3 & Reach that i played felt pretty much exactly the same to play (not a good thing), specially Halo 3. Its like just some extra maps you bought online, i mean why the hell people love this so much compared to Killzone 2? KZ 2 is alot more fun to get a gun and shoot, just the reaction you get from the enemies... And i'm curious, isnt there any industry at all on the "planets" you visit on the Halo series? Where do all the weapons and vehicles come from? At least on Killzone you have a heavy industrialized race, you can see where all that comes from, and if you gonna fight a war you dont head for a forest or beach like in Halo, you go for the factories ;) i'm just saying...

similar yes but reach has got the spaceship missions for a start but i guess you should try playin the full games instead of just parts of the game before judging? halo has the shooting mechanics absolutely spot on, great pacing and great enemy ai (especially on higher difficulty levels), vibrant and imaginative worlds and doesnt take itself too seriously. i like that.

and most games are riddled with innacuracies, plot holes and contradictions. unless its something particularly glaring it doesn't bother me ;)

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#414 SpiritOfFire117
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And i'm curious, isnt there any industry at all on the "planets" you visit on the Halo series? Where do all the weapons and vehicles come from? At least on Killzone you have a heavy industrialized race, you can see where all that comes from, and if you gonna fight a war you dont head for a forest or beach like in Halo, you go for the factories ;) i'm just saying...Kane04
Technically, there have only been FIVE planets you've visited. Everything else is the product of a dead alien race.

As for factories, in Halo 3 you fight in the industrial city of Voi. Reach was the war hub for the UNSC and had many ship yards in orbit. But you knew this since you defended one in the Reach campaign. ;) As for weapons, they're assemble by Misriah Armory on Mars. Also given that the initial Covenant prescence was merely a scouting party, chances are "key strategic locations" never crossed their mind when they were essentially going to obliterate everything anyway.

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#415 Cloud567kar
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[QUOTE="Macutchi"]

such a shame that reach's framerate can drop to the low teens when the action gets hectic but gameplay wise i much prefer it to killzone 2 its just simply more playable and fun. cant believe bungie havent fixed the useless ai's driving skills though

Kane04

I have Halo 2 on my Xbox and the parts of Halo 3 & Reach that i played felt pretty much exactly the same to play (not a good thing), specially Halo 3. Its like just some extra maps you bought online, i mean why the hell people love this so much compared to Killzone 2? KZ 2 is alot more fun to get a gun and shoot, just the reaction you get from the enemies... And i'm curious, isnt there any industry at all on the "planets" you visit on the Halo series? Where do all the weapons and vehicles come from? At least on Killzone you have a heavy industrialized race, you can see where all that comes from, and if you gonna fight a war you dont head for a forest or beach like in Halo, you go for the factories ;) i'm just saying...

You obviously don't know much about halo. Thats what halo reach is all about. Reach is the humans main war supply maker.

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#416 Bardock47
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*sigh* Halo really isn't a graphics king. Its pretty, and good looking. Not bad by any means, but its not a leader like crysis, in terms of graphics.

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#417 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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I'm a halo fanboy, more or less. The game looks good--I'm happy it is a step up from Halo 3--but I'm going to go ahead and say that I was never "wowed" by its graphics...and yes, I understand the "openness" of it all. KZ2 is on a whole different level.

It's like comparing Splinter Cell on the PS2(360) with SPlinter Cell on the original Xbox(ps3).

*sigh* Halo really isn't a graphics king. Its pretty, and good looking. Not bad by any means, but its not a leader like crysis, in terms of graphics.

Bardock47

Crysis doesn't really look that good on my pc, though. I feel like there should be an asterix next to good looking pc games, because it really does vary depending on the system.

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#418 xYamatox
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[QUOTE="Macutchi"]

such a shame that reach's framerate can drop to the low teens when the action gets hectic but gameplay wise i much prefer it to killzone 2 its just simply more playable and fun. cant believe bungie havent fixed the useless ai's driving skills though

Kane04

I have Halo 2 on my Xbox and the parts of Halo 3 & Reach that i played felt pretty much exactly the same to play (not a good thing), specially Halo 3. Its like just some extra maps you bought online, i mean why the hell people love this so much compared to Killzone 2? KZ 2 is alot more fun to get a gun and shoot, just the reaction you get from the enemies... And i'm curious, isnt there any industry at all on the "planets" you visit on the Halo series? Where do all the weapons and vehicles come from? At least on Killzone you have a heavy industrialized race, you can see where all that comes from, and if you gonna fight a war you dont head for a forest or beach like in Halo, you go for the factories ;) i'm just saying...

Opinions, son. It's the same reason peope like Killzone > Halo. It's just unfortunate that people didn't give Killzone a chance, and brushed it aside when it tried to do something different with it's controls. The game plays beautifully once you get the hang of it. However, if he likes Halo more than Killzone, that's perfectly fine.

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#419 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="Kane04"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="blackace"] Gears 2 looked as good as KZ2. Gears 3 and RAGE look better then KZ2.

Rage.... yeah ok but its not out yet, I might as well say Halo 7 is teh king. Gears.... hell to the noooo. Most people actually agree UC2 is the daddy, but even Naughty Dog said they were beaten by KZ2.

:P "Technically" theres not much between them so it comes down to art style, and thats hell... Things people call art... Humans man :P IMO Killzone 2 looks alot more dramatic than UC2, maybe thats why ND said they were beaten.

Well KZ2's lighting, character models and animation blow it away IMO. I actually think UC2's dramatic action events were far superior though.
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#420 monkeysmoke
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*sigh* Halo really isn't a graphics king. Its pretty, and good looking. Not bad by any means, but its not a leader like crysis, in terms of graphics.

Bardock47
Yeah i know crysis is the king but it a pc exclusive. On console HALO REACH rules technicaly in graphics & what makes it more unique is the fact that the wole game as big as it is with all the cool features was archieve on a single DVD9 making the need for Blue Ray Disk unnecessary since no game on the ps3 has ever shiped with such features in one game.
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#421 mitu123
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I'm a halo fanboy, more or less. The game looks good--I'm happy it is a step up from Halo 3--but I'm going to go ahead and say that I was never "wowed" by its graphics...and yes, I understand the "openness" of it all. KZ2 is on a whole different level.

It's like comparing Splinter Cell on the PS2(360) with SPlinter Cell on the original Xbox(ps3).

[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

*sigh* Halo really isn't a graphics king. Its pretty, and good looking. Not bad by any means, but its not a leader like crysis, in terms of graphics.

Heirren

Crysis doesn't really look that good on my pc, though. I feel like there should be an asterix next to good looking pc games, because it really does vary depending on the system.

You need to play Crysis on Very High and maybe with mods.XD

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#422 Leejjohno
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if it's not the best looking game on any system then it's not any kind of king. there's only one king. would you settle for graphics prince?

CaseyWegner

:lol: That was unexpectedly funny.

I agree with the consensus anyway. No Halo game has ever had graphics that were particularly amazing.

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#423 mitu123
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

if it's not the best looking game on any system then it's not any kind of king. there's only one king. would you settle for graphics prince?

Leejjohno

:lol: That was unexpectedly funny.

I agree with the consensus anyway. No Halo game has ever had graphics that were particularly amazing.

Halo CE and 2 did...

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#425 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

if it's not the best looking game on any system then it's not any kind of king. there's only one king. would you settle for graphics prince?

mitu123

:lol: That was unexpectedly funny.

I agree with the consensus anyway. No Halo game has ever had graphics that were particularly amazing.

Halo CE and 2 did...

Ah but you forget that Gaming started this generation, anything before doesnt exist :P
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#426 Leejjohno
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

:lol: That was unexpectedly funny.

I agree with the consensus anyway. No Halo game has ever had graphics that were particularly amazing.

ferret-gamer

Halo CE and 2 did...

Ah but you forget that Gaming started this generation, anything before doesnt exist :P

Either that or those two games really werent that amazing visually.

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#427 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Halo CE and 2 did...

Leejjohno

Ah but you forget that Gaming started this generation, anything before doesnt exist :P

Either that or those two games really werent that amazing visually.

for their time yes they were, halo 1 was amazing when it was released and halo 2 is one of the best looking xbox games.
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#428 worknow222
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[QUOTE="racing1750"][QUOTE="worknow222"][QUOTE="racing1750"] Looks better is subjective.

Opinions are Opinions

err...forget about it.

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#429 worknow222
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[QUOTE="emperorzhang66"]Technically Yes. Looks wise, sometimes. But Kz3, is bout the same visually (i mean how appealing it is) But how are cow's forgetting Kz3 is going to Sub-hd :P

Realy? if so it's still Going to be Called Graphics King, by teh cows
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#430 gpuking
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Why the hell isn't there a poll? Oh wait, it's been done and killzone 2 won pretty much everytime. But seriously Reach isn't in the same ballpark as Killzone 2 graphics wise.
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#431 nchan
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Lol, Halo Reach graphic looks like a slightly update version of Half-Life 2. I don't mean that in a bad way because Half-Life 2 still looks great.
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#432 SecretPolice
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Yes indeed, when all things are considered; Halo Reach is Queen - Crysis remains King. :P

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#433 worknow222
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Yes indeed, when all things are considered; Halo Reach is Queen - Crysis remains King. :P

SecretPolice
then whos the princess and prince?
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#434 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Yes indeed, when all things are considered; Halo Reach is Queen - Crysis remains King. :P

worknow222

then whos the princess and prince?

Kameo & Banjo... :P

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#435 worknow222
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[QUOTE="worknow222"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Yes indeed, when all things are considered; Halo Reach is Queen - Crysis remains King. :P

SecretPolice

then whos the princess and prince?

Kameo & Banjo... :P

Banjo all the way
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#436 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Halo CE and 2 did...

Leejjohno

Ah but you forget that Gaming started this generation, anything before doesnt exist :P

Either that or those two games really werent that amazing visually.

Uh, Halo CE and Halo 2 were pretty much bleeding edge of graphics quality on consoles when they came out. :|
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#437 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Lol, Halo Reach graphic looks like a slightly update version of Half-Life 2. I don't mean that in a bad way because Half-Life 2 still looks great. nchan
Huh? Halo Reach looks nothing like HL2 though?