Halo Wars is nothing special

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Frozzik"]

I see alot of people bashing Halo Wars for "not doing anything new". Very few games these days do actually do anything new. It's not always a bad thing that they don't either.

Look at my most anticipated game, DoW2. this actually does try a few new things, new for DoW and new for the standard Pc RTS. What is the result? Many press and PC gamers complaining that it is infact different and bashing it as a result. So don't come in here talking about that garbage.

Fact is cow's are mad they don't have any good RTS games (they'll continue to bash the genre until they do). Hermits are upset at the prospect of Halo Wars turning the RTS genre into a "mainstream" genre, thus endangering future PC RTS games going multi and being dumbed down.

I don't think anyone expected HW to be complex or anything special in the RTS world, just in the console RTS world. I like many am just irritated at how 360 gamers are RTS experts all of a sudden and have the nerve to make out like PC RTS games are not fun, yet halo wars is. Maybe they should actually go play some other RTS games, not all PC games are complex and deep.

SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Its got enough to be special to me (Story, Halo universe), and the gameplay is back to where I loved RTS games (simple). For me, this game will be a no-brainer, and the only thing that would make it better would be some kind of co-op game mode, but its not a major omission. SecretPolice

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

Yes cows are extremely mad at not having an RTS game. I'll sya it here and now RTS's on consols are like chocolate sauce on a steak, they don't mesh wellAnimal-Mother

......... are you serious, If you take hershey's chocolate sauce and put it on a steak are you going to enjoy it? Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] ......... are you serious, If you take hershey's chocolate sauce and put it on a steak are you going to enjoy it? SpruceCaboose

i hope to some degree it flops so it will stop MS from completely milking the halo nameRagashahs

Because only Nintendo is alowed to milk their franchises to the bone amirite?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] ......... are you serious, If you take hershey's chocolate sauce and put it on a steak are you going to enjoy it? Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Its got enough to be special to me (Story, Halo universe), and the gameplay is back to where I loved RTS games (simple). For me, this game will be a no-brainer, and the only thing that would make it better would be some kind of co-op game mode, but its not a major omission. SpruceCaboose

Developer: Ensemble Studios

Publisher: Microsoft Game Studios

Genre: Strategy

Release Date: 3/3/2009

Console: Xbox 360

Xbox 360 Exclusive

$59.99

1 Player

Multiplayer Versus

System Link: 2-6

HDTV 1080p

Players: 2-6

Players Co-op: 1-2

Content Downloads

i played and liked the demo.

the limited base building is interesting, but not deep which is pretty much the feeling i get throughout most aspects of the game.

i haven't screwed around with scrimmage yet, hopefully i'll have more base and unit options to play around with than in the missions.

i do get the feeling that reviewers will be favorable just for ensemble's sake. it got a 9 in GI and they the portion of the review is a tribute to the dev.

i'm okay with that. ensemble was a great dev.

Everytime some poster compares HW to PC RTS games, God kills a kitten via disembowlment. Seriously, it's NOT FARKING MEANT to be compared to games like DoW, or AoE, or Civ., etc. etc.Verge_6

Personally I think WiC would have been fantastic on a console.... it suits the platform perfectly....

i played and liked the demo.

the limited base building is interesting, but not deep which is pretty much the feeling i get throughout most aspects of the game.

i haven't screwed around with scrimmage yet, hopefully i'll have more base and unit options to play around with than in the missions.

i do get the feeling that reviewers will be favorable just for ensemble's sake. it got a 9 in GI and they the portion of the review is a tribute to the dev.

i'm okay with that. ensemble was a great dev.

Hihatrider87

[QUOTE="Hihatrider87"]

i played and liked the demo.

the limited base building is interesting, but not deep which is pretty much the feeling i get throughout most aspects of the game.

i haven't screwed around with scrimmage yet, hopefully i'll have more base and unit options to play around with than in the missions.

i do get the feeling that reviewers will be favorable just for ensemble's sake. it got a 9 in GI and they the portion of the review is a tribute to the dev.

i'm okay with that. ensemble was a great dev.

skrat_01

Personally I think WiC would have been fantastic on a console.... it suits the platform perfectly....

skrat_01

If it wasn't Halo no one would care about that casual garbage.

Because 360 gamers hate on the Wii for being casual, I'm going to hate on this game. :D

i found it to be surprisingly good. i avoided buying the command and conquers because it was a little to hard to get used to without a mouse, but as for halo wars....you can't be farther from the truth, the fact that the controls are console friendly is great.

as soon as im done with all the games i got now and resident evil 5 im buying it

I see alot of people bashing Halo Wars for "not doing anything new". Very few games these days do actually do anything new. It's not always a bad thing that they don't either.

Look at my most anticipated game, DoW2. this actually does try a few new things, new for DoW and new for the standard Pc RTS. What is the result? Many press and PC gamers complaining that it is infact different and bashing it as a result. So don't come in here talking about that garbage.

Fact is cow's are mad they don't have any good RTS games (they'll continue to bash the genre until they do). Hermits are upset at the prospect of Halo Wars turning the RTS genre into a "mainstream" genre, thus endangering future PC RTS games going multi and being dumbed down.

I don't think anyone expected HW to be complex or anything special in the RTS world, just in the console RTS world. I like many am just irritated at how 360 gamers are RTS experts all of a sudden and have the nerve to make out like PC RTS games are not fun, yet halo wars is. Maybe they should actually go play some other RTS games, not all PC games are complex and deep.

Frozzik

its not just that, Halo Wars doesn't have/do some things that's been in old RTS, let alone anything new..

Its got enough to be special to me (Story, Halo universe), and the gameplay is back to where I loved RTS games (simple). For me, this game will be a no-brainer, and the only thing that would make it better would be some kind of co-op game mode, but its not a major omission. SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Hihatrider87"]

i played and liked the demo.

the limited base building is interesting, but not deep which is pretty much the feeling i get throughout most aspects of the game.

i haven't screwed around with scrimmage yet, hopefully i'll have more base and unit options to play around with than in the missions.

i do get the feeling that reviewers will be favorable just for ensemble's sake. it got a 9 in GI and they the portion of the review is a tribute to the dev.

i'm okay with that. ensemble was a great dev.

SpruceCaboose

probably the best thing that it adds to console rts controls is the fact that secondary abilities are simply mapped to another button as oposed to being hidden away 2 steps deep in a menu.

The sad thing about Halo Wars is the people saying it doesn't have super-deep micromanagement, it doesn't have complex base building, it's all about combat etc. It's not MEANT to have super-deep micromanagement, it's not supposed to feature complex base construction and it's DESIGNED to be centered on combat. People think they're being critical, but they're actually just missing the point entirely. Ninja-Hippo

Amen.

Lots of RTS snobbery in this thread :P

As an old, salty RTS gamer myself, I think Halo Wars does exactly what it set out to do! It is an RTS game, built from the ground up to be played with gamepads. And why should people assume you can't play an RTS with a controller? There are plenty of inputs. It's just as silly as saying you can't play a FPS with a controller. How is this not obvious to everyone?

Halo Wars is something special, because it was built from day one for a console, and that's not something you can say about the majority of console RTS games out there. It's also built to look like HALO! Ensamble succeeded with flying colors, based on my playtime with the demo.

The sad thing about Halo Wars is the people saying it doesn't have super-deep micromanagement, it doesn't have complex base building, it's all about combat etc. It's not MEANT to have super-deep micromanagement, it's not supposed to feature complex base construction and it's DESIGNED to be centered on combat. People think they're being critical, but they're actually just missing the point entirely. Ninja-Hippo

and thats why its bad.

even the combat isnt super deep.

and thats why its bad.

even the combat isnt super deep.

[QUOTE="dthach614"]

and thats why its bad.

even the combat isnt super deep.

musicalmac

Gathering resource / fighting resource has always been a big part of RTS games in the past. In Halo Wars, there's one resouce and you don't even have to manage it. you just build it and upgrade it.

So people are bashing Halo Wars for doing nothing new? Sorry, what does Killzone 2 do new again?-DrRobotnik-

Gathering resource / fighting resource has always been a big part of RTS games in the past. In Halo Wars, there's one resouce and you don't even have to manage it. you just build it and upgrade it.

Well.

Why is that bad?

[QUOTE="dthach614"]

Gathering resource / fighting resource has always been a big part of RTS games in the past. In Halo Wars, there's one resouce and you don't even have to manage it. you just build it and upgrade it.

musicalmac

Well.

Why is that bad?

Cause it too simple.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="dthach614"]

Gathering resource / fighting resource has always been a big part of RTS games in the past. In Halo Wars, there's one resouce and you don't even have to manage it. you just build it and upgrade it.

dthach614

Well.

Why is that bad?

Cause it too simple.

Cause it too simple.

dthach614

You, my friend, are not putting things into perspective. You're comparing Halo Wars to other games, that rely on more than one resource. Games that are more complex when it comes to staging a battle against an opponent. We need to destroy the notion that "less complex = less entertaining".

What is more important is to look at what Halo Wars is, what it does, and how it did exactly what it was supposed to do. Not only does that serve to the fans, who enjoy the Halo universe, but it also serves as an appropriate console game.

[QUOTE="dthach614"]

Cause it too simple.

musicalmac

You, my friend, are not putting things into perspective. You're comparing Halo Wars to other games, that rely on more than one resource. Games that are more complex when it comes to staging a battle against an opponent. We need to destroy the notion that "less complex = less entertaining".

What is more important is to look at what Halo Wars is, what it does, and how it did exactly what it was supposed to do. Not only does that serve to the fans, who enjoy the Halo universe, but it also serves as an appropriate console game.

Why do people keep whinning about this game?

ThE FanBoYz RUleZZZ!!!11!!

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

If it wasn't Halo no one would care about that casual garbage.

Because 360 gamers hate on the Wii for being casual, I'm going to hate on this game. :D

monkeytoes61

i think there is plenty of complexity to the game. its not on the level of pc RTS or at least we think it isnt. im pretty sure that the demo didnt have all the units and upgrades that will be in the final game. hell i didnt know you could upgrade Spartans with lasers until recently. i dont know if im gonna buy it but i,ll at least rent it. tikki25x

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="dthach614"]

and thats why its bad.

even the combat isnt super deep.

dthach614

Gathering resource / fighting resource has always been a big part of RTS games in the past. In Halo Wars, there's one resouce and you don't even have to manage it. you just build it and upgrade it.

DING DING DING DING DING! And finally someone indirectly proves my point! A person who only barely understands how the resource system works is calling it simple. Let me ask you how much money do you get per resource pad, and how much money do you get when you upgrade it?

[QUOTE="dthach614"][QUOTE="musicalmac"] Why does that make it bad?bobderwood97_1

Gathering resource / fighting resource has always been a big part of RTS games in the past. In Halo Wars, there's one resouce and you don't even have to manage it. you just build it and upgrade it.

DING DING DING DING DING! And finally someone indirectly proves my point! A person who only barely understands how the resource system works is calling it simple. Let me ask you how much money do you get per resource pad, and how much money do you get when you upgrade it?

for people that have never played a PC RTS this will serve them well but for me i just can't play and RTS on a controller. however becusae it has the halo name on it it will probably sell 2 million easily. i hope to some degree it flops so it will stop MS from completely milking the halo nameRagashahs

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]So people are bashing Halo Wars for doing nothing new? Sorry, what does Killzone 2 do new again?Xalaten

[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]So people are bashing Halo Wars for doing nothing new? Sorry, what does Killzone 2 do new again?-DrRobotnik-

Halo Wars is an RTS, it should be compared as such. As a traditional RTS game, it is pretty far off base in terms of quality. In terms of mindless, gratuitious action it isn't half bad.Vandalvideo