Halo Wars is nothing special

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Ahem, if Starcraft didn't have the Starcraft theme, then you'd have a game no one cares about.

Seriously, you're going make such broad generalizations lets not just stop at Halo.

0bscurity

You'd have a great RTS, something Halo Wars is not. Halo Wars is nothing special, that was the point I was trying to get at it, but I realize how sensitive some people are to hearing such comments so I didn't make it so blatant.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]And other RTS have control points as income ressources... like compagnie of heroes. bobderwood97_1

Equivalent would be a bit to strong... Just the facts that there's no micro managing is enough of a big gap in RTS world. Bebi_vegeta

My point is, halo wars is nothing new... hence nothing special. It's not the greatess RTS, but apparently it's good enough for new RTS fan and some already use to RTS world to enjoy.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

You're qualifying your argument.

You said nothing of the quality of the game, but rather no one would care about it.

Great game enters into the realm of subjectivity. I think Halo Wars is a great game, you obviously don't. So who is right?

0bscurity

I could just tell you that I think Halo Wars is a rather poor game in the RTS genre if that makes you feel better. I'm not going to nitpick at minute details.

It's all a matter of opinion.

Very well, I could agree with that then.

Being special =/= being great. It's a dumb thing to argue about. Big Rig's is a special kind of game, it's properties are pretty unique, doesn't make them good though. Also your only arguing your opinion, which is, "halo wars isn't great". Saying that doesn't bring anything objective to argue, its your opinion and nothing more.bobderwood97_1

Of course I'm only arguing my opinion :lol: , I think that's kind of the point in a forum, let alone SW. When it comes to something as subjective as a form of entertainment there is no right or wrong. Some people will love it, some people will hate it.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"] There is micro managing if you want to do it. You can Select All Units then scroll through each unit type and move them away from other units, and you can scroll through unit locations with the Dpad..so micromanaging is there if you NEED it..but honestly its not as big a deal as you make it. hopesfall2own

That's horrible micro managing if you ask me...

Any RTS has importance in micro managing, unless you play to lose.

Yes both players have the same limitation... but this also limits skills of players and strategie.

Yes, i'm the guy who said who hasn't played... I don't see why I would be excluded for it.

Why even go on System wars... why would anbody care???

i hope this is a flop.. i truely do..

this is microsofts last hope.

hyperkass

[QUOTE="hyperkass"]

i hope this is a flop.. i truely do..

this is microsofts last hope.

Fumpa

No he punted it off a bridge while he was standing there. The dog didn't survive.

The only reason I think Halo Wars will sell is because of the name Halo in it. But honestly, in my opinion, Halo has no place in the RTS genre, so, to some degree, it may flop (in which I will be happy). And just because I'm against this whole great hype, I think I'll buy Command and Conquer: Red Alert 3 on Halo Wars opening day. Of course, the guy at the register will probably stare at me in shock yelling "WHY AREN'T YOU BUYING HALO WARS INSTEAD?!"

In other words, I agree with the topic title :D

why dont devs just make it so the console version can use a keyboard and mouse if the user wants to, infact why isnt it standard? what makes it so hardbigLLL

then they have to reprogram the game to support a mouse and keyboard difficulty. Enemies in Console FPS and RTS are most likely designed to have slower reaction times compared to their PC counterparts to compensate for analog/d-pad use.

Phew back from playing me some Fear 2. Well that is a good question you present musicalmac. Maybe if we hit HaloKart racing maybe that is milking lol. I don't know honestly. Right now it's not milking but we will see how it pans out. sirk1264

That's horrible micro managing if you ask me...

Any RTS has importance in micro managing, unless you play to lose.

Bebi_vegeta

[QUOTE="hyperkass"]

i hope this is a flop.. i truely do..

this is microsofts last hope.

obamanian

MS has 109+ "last hopes" below

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26715971

Also Halo Wars is amazing, fast and fun, i enjoyed it far better than the more of the same linear shooting in Killzone 2 demo personally

You have a PS3??????

One more thing. Your're comparing a RTS to a FPS. You can't really compare two differnent genres. They're different experiences.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

My point is, halo wars is nothing new... hence nothing special. It's not the greatess RTS, but apparently it's good enough for new RTS fan and some already use to RTS world to enjoy.

bobderwood97_1

Euh... my sig is not Halo 3...

Again, Halo wars brings nothing new to the RTS world... even in fact it brings less. It's really just Halo + RTS console mod, if you like halo and never played RTS... I guess you might like this "new experience".

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

That's horrible micro managing if you ask me...

Any RTS has importance in micro managing, unless you play to lose.

Ninja-Hippo

RTS with no micro managing... no skill requiered.

I have no idea how you're comparing Unreal and counter strike... both have skill requiered.

My point is, halo wars is nothing new... hence nothing special. It's not the greatess RTS, but apparently it's good enough for new RTS fan and some already use to RTS world to enjoy.

Euh... my sig is not Halo 3...

Again, Halo wars brings nothing new to the RTS world... even in fact it brings less. It's really just Halo + RTS console mod, if you like halo and never played RTS... I guess you might like this "new experience".

If it wasn't Halo no one would care about that casual garbage.

Because 360 gamers hate on the Wii for being casual, I'm going to hate on this game. :D

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="dthach614"]

Gathering resource / fighting resource has always been a big part of RTS games in the past. In Halo Wars, there's one resouce and you don't even have to manage it. you just build it and upgrade it.

dthach614

Well.

Why is that bad?

Cause it too simple.

I've been reading through this thread, and most of the arguments in support of Halo Wars boil down to:

"In terms of overall design, core mechanics, and basic gameplay, it fails to meet the standards set by the RTS genre on the PC, but that doesn't matter because it's a Halo game."

Sounds like love to me... the unconditional kind.

I'm finding this high degree of passion for the Halo universe a little hard to understand, and a more than little hard to accept as real.

It seems more likely to me that we are experiencing a "Conduit effect", only now it's the 360 crowd settling for scraps from the table of the RTS genre, rather than the Wii fanboys settling for meager bits from the FPS bar across the room.

RTS with no micro managing... no skill requiered.

I have no idea how you're comparing Unreal and counter strike... both have skill requiered.

Bebi_vegeta

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="bobderwood97_1"] And my point is, Special =/= great. Just look at your sig. You play Halo 3! What makes Halo 3 so special? A human vs. alien story where you, one guy takes on all of the bad guys by himself and wins? How on earth is that special? Even what the game offers beyond the story isn't special. Forge, pshht, map editors > forge. Matchmaking? Lots of games do that. Special Items? its a gimmick, MLG turns them off. Just because Halo 3 isn't special doesn't mean it isn't a great game though. Don't get me wrong, being special can be great, and move the industry forward, but it isn't the only way to measure how good a game is...hopesfall2own

Euh... my sig is not Halo 3...

Again, Halo wars brings nothing new to the RTS world... even in fact it brings less. It's really just Halo + RTS console mod, if you like halo and never played RTS... I guess you might like this "new experience".

The story... I think the guy a few post back just demolished the story of Halo 3...

As for Starcraft 2 and Dawn of war 2.... both games aren't out yet, so details about the gameplay aren't fully out yet. But from what I've heard about SC2, all 3 campaign will be axed on very different strategie and gameplay wise.

[QUOTE="sirk1264"] I don't think the game flopping will stop them from milking the halo name. musicalmac

I've been reading through this thread, and most of the arguments in support of Halo Wars boil down to:

"In terms of overall design, core mechanics, and basic gameplay, it fails to meet the standards set by the RTS genre on the PC, but that doesn't matter because it's a Halo game."

Sounds like love to me... the unconditional kind.

I'm finding this high degree of passion for the Halo universe a little hard to understand, and a more than little hard to accept as real.

It seems more likely to me that we are experiencing a "Conduit" effect, only now it's the 360 crowd settling for scraps from the table of the RTS genre, rather than the Wii fanboys settling for scraps from the FPS bar across the room.

Euh... my sig is not Halo 3...

Again, Halo wars brings nothing new to the RTS world... even in fact it brings less. It's really just Halo + RTS console mod, if you like halo and never played RTS... I guess you might like this "new experience".

The story... I think the guy a few post back just demolished the story of Halo 3...

As for Starcraft 2 and Dawn of war 2.... both games aren't out yet, so details about the gameplay aren't fully out yet. But from what I've heard about SC2, all 3 campaign will be axed on very different strategie and gameplay wise.

[QUOTE="bobderwood97_1"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

My point is, halo wars is nothing new... hence nothing special. It's not the greatess RTS, but apparently it's good enough for new RTS fan and some already use to RTS world to enjoy.

Bebi_vegeta

Euh... my sig is not Halo 3...

Again, Halo wars brings nothing new to the RTS world... even in fact it brings less. It's really just Halo + RTS console mod, if you like halo and never played RTS... I guess you might like this "new experience".

From what I played, I thought it was enjoyable. I love Halo 3, so I'll get this.

I don't really care about the PC or whatever. If I were interested in the RTSs on the platform, I would play them. I don't want to play them, so they don't affect me.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

RTS with no micro managing... no skill requiered.

I have no idea how you're comparing Unreal and counter strike... both have skill requiered.

Ninja-Hippo

There's many genre of FPS with different gameplay (arcade to simulation)... but in the end, they are complexe in whatever area they excell in.

Halo wars has the basic mechanic of RTS.... Any RTS can play like Halo Wars if you want but you can't do the other way around. This is why it's missing a few components from RTS world.

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

I've been reading through this thread, and most of the arguments in support of Halo Wars boil down to:

"In terms of overall design, core mechanics, and basic gameplay, it fails to meet the standards set by the RTS genre on the PC, but that doesn't matter because it's a Halo game."

Sounds like love to me... the unconditional kind.

I'm finding this high degree of passion for the Halo universe a little hard to understand, and a more than little hard to accept as real.

It seems more likely to me that we are experiencing a "Conduit" effect, only now it's the 360 crowd settling for scraps from the table of the RTS genre, rather than the Wii fanboys settling for scraps from the FPS bar across the room.

hopesfall2own

You're right, I'm an obvious hater.

But, even though I'm an obvious hater, who has no purpose in life other than to hate, and no reason to hate besides hate itself, don't I have the right to ask why, and wherefore?

I mean, I've never "read" a "book" in my life, so I'm not sure about this Halo "book" thing, but even if these mysterious things you call "books" do exist, and do relate to Halo, how does that completely strike down the notion that the 360/HW crowd (which surely includes people who have no strong feelings for the Halo universe) is experiencing a "Conduit effect"; ie, loving on something out of desperation?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

That's horrible micro managing if you ask me...

Any RTS has importance in micro managing, unless you play to lose.

Bebi_vegeta

RTS with no micro managing... no skill requiered.

I have no idea how you're comparing Unreal and counter strike... both have skill requiered.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"] The story alone will dwarf most recent RTS's, that alone nulls your theory that it brings nothing to the table. Please tell me what Starcraft 2, Dawn of war2 and the other RTS's coming out this year on PC are doing NEW for the genre, I will be interested in hearing this. hopesfall2own

The story... I think the guy a few post back just demolished the story of Halo 3...

As for Starcraft 2 and Dawn of war 2.... both games aren't out yet, so details about the gameplay aren't fully out yet. But from what I've heard about SC2, all 3 campaign will be axed on very different strategie and gameplay wise.

I played the first Halo... it was nothing special story wise. Not everybody like Halo...

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"] The story alone will dwarf most recent RTS's, that alone nulls your theory that it brings nothing to the table. Please tell me what Starcraft 2, Dawn of war2 and the other RTS's coming out this year on PC are doing NEW for the genre, I will be interested in hearing this. hopesfall2own

The story... I think the guy a few post back just demolished the story of Halo 3...

As for Starcraft 2 and Dawn of war 2.... both games aren't out yet, so details about the gameplay aren't fully out yet. But from what I've heard about SC2, all 3 campaign will be axed on very different strategie and gameplay wise.

I never said the story in halo was bad, I just said it wasn't unique (technically I said special, but I really meant unique, sorry for any confusion). Truth be told I really like the Halo story, although I am not so sure the story in Halo Wars is going to be amazing, that we will just have to wait to see on that one.

I've been reading through this thread, and most of the arguments in support of Halo Wars boil down to:

"In terms of overall design, core mechanics, and basic gameplay, it fails to meet the standards set by the RTS genre on the PC, but that doesn't matter because it's a Halo game."

Sounds like love to me... the unconditional kind.

I'm finding this high degree of passion for the Halo universe a little hard to understand, and a more than little hard to accept as real.

It seems more likely to me that we are experiencing a "Conduit effect", only now it's the 360 crowd settling for scraps from the table of the RTS genre, rather than the Wii fanboys settling for meager bits from the FPS bar across the room.

jethrovegas

Most people defending the game thus far defend it because they had fun with it. Regardless of other standards of RTS on PC, or your own. Some of us had FUN. PERIOD. Deep, not deep, Halo, not Halo, innovative or not people have had FUN with it. Deal.

I find your willingness to dismiss another persons opinion on what constitutes a fun game or good story and lore to them as rude, pompous and flat out arrogant. If you don't like something that fine, but to try and project negative and belittling mentalities upon people who differ in opinion ON VIDEOGAMES makes you a capital D douche. GTFO your pedestal and let people like what they want to, just like you like what you like. Your opinions are as worthless to the fans of the game, and Halo in general, as ours are to yours. The difference is I won't belittle you for not liking something I like. But that's the kind of ahole you are.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="bobderwood97_1"] And my point is, Special =/= great. Just look at your sig. You play Halo 3! What makes Halo 3 so special? A human vs. alien story where you, one guy takes on all of the bad guys by himself and wins? How on earth is that special? Even what the game offers beyond the story isn't special. Forge, pshht, map editors > forge. Matchmaking? Lots of games do that. Special Items? its a gimmick, MLG turns them off. Just because Halo 3 isn't special doesn't mean it isn't a great game though. Don't get me wrong, being special can be great, and move the industry forward, but it isn't the only way to measure how good a game is...bobderwood97_1

Euh... my sig is not Halo 3...

Again, Halo wars brings nothing new to the RTS world... even in fact it brings less. It's really just Halo + RTS console mod, if you like halo and never played RTS... I guess you might like this "new experience".

I never said it was bad... but to say it's equal to other RTS is a bit to strong.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Or unless it isn't MEANT to have micromanagement and you're trying to play Unreal 2k like it's counter strike. :|xsubtownerx

RTS with no micro managing... no skill requiered.

I have no idea how you're comparing Unreal and counter strike... both have skill requiered.

Any games requieres a minimum of "know how" to win...

But micro managing usualy tends to declare the winner in any RTS battle... wich Halo Wars doesn't really provide.

[QUOTE="bobderwood97_1"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Euh... my sig is not Halo 3...

Again, Halo wars brings nothing new to the RTS world... even in fact it brings less. It's really just Halo + RTS console mod, if you like halo and never played RTS... I guess you might like this "new experience".

Bebi_vegeta

I never said it was bad... but to say it's equal to other RTS is a bit to strong.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]Again you're talking like someone who hasn't played the game yet. This game requires skills if you want to get anywhere and win. Just like any other RTS, or any other game for that matter.Bebi_vegeta

Any games requieres a minimum of "know how" to win...

But micro managing usualy tends to declare the winner in any RTS battle... wich Halo Wars doesn't really provide.

There's plenty of micromanaging in Halo Wars. In fact, if you don't micro, you'll get owned by guys like me. :) Of course you wouldn't know that because you haven't played the game yet. You're just one of many haters who have no idea what they're talking about. But please go on, it's very amusing.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="bobderwood97_1"] I'm sorry for saying that your sig had Halo 3 in it. For some reason I thought it was halo 3, it is not. It looks like it is battlefield 2142 at a closer look. But I still think that if you take out that "look at your sig you play halo 3" part, that my point still stands. I don't want to discuss the technicalities of what new things Halo Wars brings to the RTS genre, because those things aren't the things that you want to hear. All I'm saying is that a game doesn't necessarily need to be new, nor does it need to be special to be good. Again, if I refer back to Halo 3, it doesn't really bring anything new to the table, but it does what it does and it's still one hell of a game.bobderwood97_1

I never said it was bad... but to say it's equal to other RTS is a bit to strong.

Hey, were all basing this off from the demo...

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]Again you're talking like someone who hasn't played the game yet. This game requires skills if you want to get anywhere and win. Just like any other RTS, or any other game for that matter.xsubtownerx

Any games requieres a minimum of "know how" to win...

But micro managing usualy tends to declare the winner in any RTS battle... wich Halo Wars doesn't really provide.

There's plenty of micromanaging in Halo Wars. In fact, if you don't micro, you'll get owned by guys like me. :) Of course you wouldn't know that because you haven't played the game yet. You're just one of many haters who have no idea what they're talking about. But please go on, it's very amusing.

Oh God... here we go again... i'm hater because my opinion differs from yours.

Just the fact that you're limited to a controler points out that micromanaging has nothing compare to PC RTS.

[QUOTE="sirk1264"]Phew back from playing me some Fear 2. Well that is a good question you present musicalmac. Maybe if we hit HaloKart racing maybe that is milking lol. I don't know honestly. Right now it's not milking but we will see how it pans out. Ninja-Hippo

I think it will sell mostly on the "Halo" brand name.carljohnson3456

Halo Wars looks like the single greatest console rts ever to grace a console.

its making history, like Halo did for console shooters.

Halo Wars looks like the single greatest console rts ever to grace a console.

its making history, like Halo did for console shooters.

Keep-the-Faith

Yeah, that's quite an achievement considering the competition.... all 10 of them. :lol:

Phew back from playing me some Fear 2. Well that is a good question you present musicalmac. Maybe if we hit HaloKart racing maybe that is milking lol. I don't know honestly. Right now it's not milking but we will see how it pans out. sirk1264

Well you're saying other RTS don't appeal to you... have you tried any other RTS?

Bebi_vegeta

The only reason I think Halo Wars will sell is because of the name Halo in it. But honestly, in my opinion, Halo has no place in the RTS genre, so, to some degree, it may flop (in which I will be happy). And just because I'm against this whole great hype, I think I'll buy Command and Conquer: Red Alert 3 on Halo Wars opening day. Of course, the guy at the register will probably stare at me in shock yelling "WHY AREN'T YOU BUYING HALO WARS INSTEAD?!"

In other words, I agree with the topic title :D

GwannaSauna

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Any games requieres a minimum of "know how" to win...

But micro managing usualy tends to declare the winner in any RTS battle... wich Halo Wars doesn't really provide.

Bebi_vegeta

There's plenty of micromanaging in Halo Wars. In fact, if you don't micro, you'll get owned by guys like me. :) Of course you wouldn't know that because you haven't played the game yet. You're just one of many haters who have no idea what they're talking about. But please go on, it's very amusing.

Oh God... here we go again... i'm hater because my opinion differs from yours.

Just the fact that you're limited to a controler points out that micromanaging has nothing compare to PC RTS.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

That's horrible micro managing if you ask me...

Any RTS has importance in micro managing, unless you play to lose.

Bebi_vegeta

RTS with no micro managing... no skill requiered.

Just like Total Annihilation and Supreme Commander, right?

Its an extremely old school RTS. I hope other developers don't follow this route. Halo Wars has gameplay that would be acceptable 10 years ago, not in 2009. I'm sorry, but just pumping out units in a specific order and combination and then driving forward, attacking anything in your way is not stratagy. Doing this over an entire map, attacking and defending, is how we did it back in the Starcraft days.

Games like the Total War series, Company of Heroes, and the Dawn of War series use a mix of power and much more stratagy and tactics than Halo Wars. I think as a stratagy game Halo Wars is way behind the time, but console gamers don't get many stratagy games so they really don't see why many PC gamers don't enjoy Halo Wars as much as they do.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="Xalaten"] So people are bashing Killzone 2 for doing nothing new? Sorry, what does Gears of War 2 do new again? See what I did there?Aljosa23

Its an extremely old school RTS. I hope other developers don't follow this route. Halo Wars has gameplay that would be acceptable 10 years ago, not in 2009. I'm sorry, but just pumping out units in a specific order and combination and then driving forward, attacking anything in your way is not stratagy. Doing this over an entire map, attacking and defending, is how we did it back in the Starcraft days.

Games like the Total War series, Company of Heroes, and the Dawn of War series use a mix of power and much more stratagy and tactics than Halo Wars. I think as a stratagy game Halo Wars is way behind the time, but console gamers don't get many stratagy games so they really don't see why many PC gamers don't enjoy Halo Wars as much as they do.

Wasdie