Hi, I'm from Singapore, where MS doesn't rule. Sony and Nintendo does.

Yeah, this is partly the reason why I'm more inclined in getting a PS3 than a 360. Just not enough variety and I can wait for the games to come out.

Also, can you evaluate a bit more on the Wii? You say it's more expensive, but I assume you're comparing the PS2 to the Wii. How's that doing over there?

Zhengi

THe Wii is about 500 SGD here. Thats around 350 USD. I can get a 60GB PS3 for SGD699, which is 450 USD. The elite 360would be at799SGD, around500 SGD... relatively, the PS3 is cheapest here. Add in the backward compability + online wifi free ... that makes the ps3 the best deal here.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Hi, I'm from America, home of the free and land of the brave! You sir are on an American web site, thus making you a guest of our great nation. What happens in Singapore has no bearing here and really no impact. I really don't care what does or doesn't sell there or what games are popular. I live in America, I care about what happens here, I guess I'm funny that way. weiliang_1988

lol .. love that. ok .. I like your POV, very American. (no offence to anyone else)

And since when is being patriotic strictly for Americans? Koreans are hella patriotic :|

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Hi, I'm from America, home of the free and land of the brave! You sir are on an American web site, thus making you a guest of our great nation. What happens in Singapore has no bearing here and really no impact. I really don't care what does or doesn't sell there or what games are popular. I live in America, I care about what happens here, I guess I'm funny that way. gingerdivid

I'm sorry TC, you're lacing your culture with twisted facts.

You're also trying to sell your opinion like it's every other Asians' opinion.

You forgot that while you thought you could fool the stereotypical 'ignorant American' (which I can assure you, a lot of these aren't), you're not fooling a NZer who has relatives living in Malaysia, the UK, Germany basically the whole world (Yeah, the my family dominates lol).

Yes, the Xbox is not selling, but it's not entirely for the reasons you're trying to put across.

Asians like waiting? Is that why they scrounge around Pasam Alams (think it's spelt like that. Black Markets btw Westerners) looking for Vista before it was even officially released? Or walk home with a copy of Gran Turismo days after it was released at the most?

XBL lag problem? Is that why Asians don't like Live? I'm sorry, but from NZ, when I play those in America or even France, the lag isn't that bad. And you're closer to Europe than I am.

And don't try pass off that Asians don't like XBL because you have to pay. Truth is, no one likes to pay if they can get something free (perhaps legal as well).

Then you went on this weird tangent that the PS3 will still sell like hotcakes when you established the fact that the reason the Playstation brand went popular was because of pirated games. It won't, because like you implied, the PS2 is sufficient enough for now, and it's a helluva lot cheaper.

Nice try, but you didn't fool me.

FrozenLiquid

Not that I necessarily agree with the TC's points, as I've often wondered myself just why Xbox doesn't sell in Asia, but why do you feel it doesn't? Isn't a big part of it just culture differences? Not that I'm implying it's simplistic, or anything.

And also just the fact that Nintendo/Sony are Japanese, and Microsoft is American, though all are impactful globally.

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]

[QUOTE="Wil4hire"]Wow. Halobois are ignorant. I guess no one saying anything outside of the world of 360/HALO has no clue. Typical American's. Good luck w/global sales. Enjoy your 360, while the world gamers enjoy everything.weiliang_1988

WTH is up with all this 'ignorant American' BS? 360 games appeal to Americans big deal, how many of you american bashers have even been to the US?

* Put both hands up *

I've been to america ! love it. Went LA and LV

LOL .. cool it man. I'm not bashing America, I love america for the carl's Jr burgers, as well as bringing basketball into my life. I ain't bashing nobody expect people who don't know where their country is on the map.

Erm I'm speaking up for Asians, because we kinda think alike and know what in general what Asians wan in terms for Gaming... so its interesting to see all these different opinions going on about SW between Americans among themselves and against themselves.

I hope you know that that statistic is complete BS (as are most statistics)

but it did lead to a great youtube vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

http://www.gunslot.com/blog/top-twenty-five-25-best-selling-video-games-all-time

top selling 25 video games of all time .. there you go. Halo occupying slot number 25 behind lots of nintendo and sony franchises...

ain't BS-ing u...

http://www.gunslot.com/blog/top-twenty-five-25-best-selling-video-games-all-time

top selling 25 video games of all time .. there you go. Halo occupying slot number 25 behind lots of nintendo and sony franchises...

ain't BS-ing u...

weiliang_1988

The statistic he was referring to was the 20% of all American's don't know where America is on the map. THAT one is BS.

http://www.gunslot.com/blog/top-twenty-five-25-best-selling-video-games-all-time

top selling 25 video games of all time .. there you go. Halo occupying slot number 25 behind lots of nintendo and sony franchises...

ain't BS-ing u...

weiliang_1988

I was talking about the 20% of americans cant locate the US on a map.

There you go.. links!! and more links!!

The news was from AUSTRALIA ....

+ MISS TEEN 2007 can't find US on the map

http://blogs.news.com.au/news/splat/index.php/news/comments/why_cant_20_of_americans_find_america_on_a_map

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

well.. don call me bs .. call theaussienews bs den ..

peace from me. I say what i read =X haha..

Not that I necessarily agree with the TC's points, as I've often wondered myself just why Xbox doesn't sell in Asia, but why do you feel it doesn't? Isn't a big part of it just culture differences? Not that I'm implying it's simplistic, or anything.

Zeliard9

He's already said it: the games just don't appeal. Then he went way off tangent and created all this imaginary fluff.

Xbox games are made to appeal to the Western audience. That's a given. I don't think FPSs are that hot in Asia.

That's another thing I forgot to say: even a lot of PC games don't appeal to Asians.

The big ones are the ones you see at an Asian internet cafe: Counter-Strike, Warcraft III, Starcraft, World of Warcraft and perhaps Battlefield probably broke in too (Battlefield 2 is big in the Middle East. Everyone goes on MEC for reasons unknown).

Crysis and Bioshock will probably not appeal to Asians at all, despite being available on the PC. They're very Western games; the horror in Bioshock is Western, the Sci Fish nature of Crysis is Western.

I'm not sure how much Microsoft tried to advertise the 360 in Asia. Perhaps they took a giant leap instead of baby steps at first by attacking the 'core' Asian market: Japan. Perhaps they could have tried to appeal to the Malaysians, the Singaporeans, the Chinese etc before tackling Japan.

Also, despite what we perceive, Microsoft doesn't have a good selection of Asian developers. Sure, they have grand ones, but they are so few and far between. There's no smaller companies making niche games which would round off the Asian game selection nicely. It's all big budget, super sized Lost Odyssey type things. Western people love massive scale, high production value stuff, but that doesn't mean the Asian people do. In that regard I was talking about all walks of life. When we go for Cadbury chocolate, they'll happily take the stuff from the dairy man which rides along their street every afternoon. We go for McDonalds etc, they take pride in their family owned, small time food plazas.

I'm speaking on the experience I've been through, the friends and cousins I've spoken too etc.

Really, it just is a culture thing.

I guess Microsoft needs to think like an Asian person.

There you go.. links!! and more links!!

The news was from AUSTRALIA ....

+ MISS TEEN 2007 can't find US on the map

http://blogs.news.com.au/news/splat/index.php/news/comments/why_cant_20_of_americans_find_america_on_a_map

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

well.. don call me bs .. call theaussienews bs den ..

peace from me. I say what i read =X haha..

weiliang_1988

find me the actual statistical report that says how and where it was done. and I already posted the youtube vid. And the guy who wrote that artical that you posted said himself that he couldnt find the statistic.

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

Not that I necessarily agree with the TC's points, as I've often wondered myself just why Xbox doesn't sell in Asia, but why do you feel it doesn't? Isn't a big part of it just culture differences? Not that I'm implying it's simplistic, or anything.

FrozenLiquid

He's already said it: the games just don't appeal. Then he went way off tangent and created all this imaginary fluff.

Xbox games are made to appeal to the Western audience. That's a given. I don't think FPSs are that hot in Asia.

That's another thing I forgot to say: even a lot of PC games don't appeal to Asians.

The big ones are the ones you see at an Asian internet cafe: Counter-Strike, Warcraft III, Starcraft, World of Warcraft and perhaps Battlefield probably broke in too (Battlefield 2 is big in the Middle East. Everyone goes on MEC for reasons unknown).

Crysis and Bioshock will probably not appeal to Asians at all, despite being available on the PC. They're very Western games; the horror in Bioshock is Western, the Sci Fish nature of Crysis is Western.

I'm not sure how much Microsoft tried to advertise the 360 in Asia. Perhaps they took a giant leap instead of baby steps at first by attacking the 'core' Asian market: Japan. Perhaps they could have tried to appeal to the Malaysians, the Singaporeans, the Chinese etc before tackling Japan.

Also, despite what we perceive, Microsoft doesn't have a good selection of Asian developers. Sure, they have grand ones, but they are so few and far between. There's no smaller companies making niche games which would round off the Asian game selection nicely. It's all big budget, super sized Lost Odyssey type things. Western people love massive scale, high production value stuff, but that doesn't mean the Asian people do. In that regard I was talking about all walks of life. When we go for Cadbury chocolate, they'll happily take the stuff from the dairy man which rides along their street every afternoon. We go for McDonalds etc, they take pride in their family owned, small time food plazas.

I'm speaking on the experience I've been through, the friends and cousins I've spoken too etc.

Really, it just is a culture thing.

I guess Microsoft needs to think like an Asian person.

like M$ needs more money.... what would be the point?

find me the actual statistical report that says how and where it was done. and I already posted the youtube vid.

laughingman42

well , thats asking too much of me. The news reported that and you're questioning me?

Are you crazy?

But if its really need for you to know your own countrymen are geographic illiterate.. here's the actual report

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/roper2006/pdf/FINALReport2006GeogLitsurvey.pdf

IT IS THE ACTUAL REPORT ...

Hi, I'm from Singapore. Been at Gamespot here for around two years. Great site IMO, love the reviews, the news, the only game-site only that does video-reviews that well, I suppose. ( i really enjoy the video reviews) Forgive me for not being a subscriber, at 19 years of age, its hard to convince my parents to lend me their credit cards to pay for my gaming needs.

A little history

I'd like to share a bit about gaming in my county, Singapore. Singapore is located in Asia, south-east. I don't know if many Americans know where Singapore is (due to the shocking fact that 20% of Americans do not know where America is on the map, which i find disturbing...) But we're a little country with a small population of 4million and a land size 1/6000 that of the US.

Alright, lets get back to gaming.Upon reading the title of the thread, probably you would have get the impression that the 360 doesn't dominate here, while the PS3 & Wii does. To an extent, thats true. Not only does the 360 not sell here, the original xbox didn't quite make an impact as well. The Sony playstations are selling, PSPs too. While the DS are being sold of the shelves like hotcakes here. The Wii doesn't though, for price reasons.

Unlike America, Video games were widely introduce during the 1990-2000 period, where Singapore was getting towards the "developed country" stage, like US, like UK. The most popular console here then was the playstation. Well this was helped that pirated games were all over the country, which did the same for the playstation 2. But that problem is being tackled now as the country is doingquite abit to stop pirating.

This is similar in other Asia countries too, piracy has help the playstation. People do not mind spending a few hundred on a console which games are selling at 5 US dollars in the black market. Same goes for the playstation 2.

In some ways, this has all turned Asians into Cows. Yep.

The games that Asians play

I'm sure many Game-spotters have written articles about JRPG vs Western RPG. Well the fact is Asians love their culture, they love their traditions. So do I. With all due respect, Oblivon is a great game. But it does not sell here in Asia, games like Final Fantasy will sell, games like monster hunter freedom 2 havesold. Well, its like Asians would prefer casting spells, summoning Bahamut than playing a knight, defending a castle. etc. Another example, Asians would play Bleach: Heat the soul ~ over Marvel vs Capcom. They would prefer naruto. They would prefer DJ max portable over other DJ games that the US offer.

Animae (*** cartoons) have played quite a big role in influencing Asians.

Most Asians grow up without video games, thats why Pokemon can be so addictive, thats why Bleach amazes us (anyway do check out Bleach will ya? It has better graphics than Tekken even, i promise).

Thats why games, despite receiving low scores from the US games industry (e.g. monsterhunterfreedom 1), will continue to be produce and distributed to Asian countries.

Asia has 2.4 billion people. Thats a very large market you're looking at.

Why the DS sells, the psp too!

Pokemon, does it ring a bell?

The PSP has always been a first choice portable gaming console for all Asians. Games like Naruto, Monster Hunter, FinalFantasy 1 & 2 and above listed are games which have and will continue to draw Asians to the PSP. Cause we're fans of it.

The DS on the other hand, sells due to its simplicity. There's no software update, there isn't a need to add a memory stick, plug and play cartridges. Cooking mama sells doesn't it? Because girls here find the big eye lady in the game"cute". Nintendogs, it gives us Asians who missed out on the "Tamagochi"craze 10 years ago another chance at having an toy dog.

It maybe childish, but Asian girls love cute things, they love doramon, they love cooking mama. They love puzzles such as Brain age, which is not a game even. That sells the DS.

What about the 360!? Don't you guys play bioshock, gears?

The mentality of gamers here is that, we'll make do with what we have. We'll enjoy what we have. If we don't, its alright.

Americans are enjoying world of warcraft, but Asians are playing Maplestory, Gunbound, cause they're free. We're playing lots of PS2 games, still. Cause the PS2 is worthy buying because it has lots of games. The DS is worth buying? why? because it has pokemon. 1000 hours of gameplay in catchin' em' all. We like the PSP, cause it can do lots of stuff other than games.

Asians, Singaporeans in particular, are "kiasu". We want the best out of everything. We're more than happy with multiplatform games.

But the thing is, we can do without the 360.

Why? Gears & bioshock !?

Yes I know, the best selling games, gears and bioshock. Bioshock just reached 1.5million. Yes. But the thing is, they're available on the PC. As I've said, Asians want to get the best out of everything, we don't mind waiting too. The main point is ... the 360 cannot offer us a strong reason to love it.

You gotta love bioshock?

Yep, I do love it, playing it on the PC, bioshock PCis retailing at SGD 60 here. Which is around USD 38. Thats great for us folks here. Even through steam is USD 50. Its cheaper than the 360 version too.

What about gears? Common man', game of the year!

Its coming to the PC too, and I get extra levels! Yes, Asians don't mind waiting. It'll probably be better on the PC as well, in terms of graphics.

What about other games?! Exclusives? Forza?

Well, Halo, Halo2, Shadowrun is all on the PC? Oh yes, i get to play Lost planet too, in DIRECTX10 graphics. Ok, fine, 360 has forza, has saint's row. But being an Asian, I can do without those that I have a "compliment for". Its like ... I'm Asian. I have GTA, why should i play saint's row? I have GT in HD, why should I purchase Forza?

DAMMIT, you're missing out on LIVE!

Nope, sad to say, Microsoft did a very poor job on Xbox live here. You see, lets say I do get xbox live, who am I gonna play with? There ain't much people "live" on xbox live you see. There's very little life in Xbox live in the Asian market. Why? Because it requires $$$. I know it isn't much. But its not worth, because I won't be spending all my time playing. I've gotta work and feed the kids.

You're missing out on a lot of multiplayer fun, kid...

Well, there're lots of great single player games out there. Plus, even if i do get Live. Even if I do get connected into a server, I'll probably be flamed for my lagbecause i'm connected 5000miles awayfrom Singapore ... I won't be enjoying the multiplayer, so I won't mind missing it

Well, we have recorded stats there

Ok, I'll have to miss out on that

we have videos there too...

there's always game spot.. I don't mind viewing in low res.

we have demos there too.. you can't argue can you.

Well, i'll wait for the whole game to be out? I forgot to mention, there aren'tlarge franchiseshops purely delicated to selling games here, like gamestop in the US. But we do have many small individual retailers selling games. Therefore, its a personalise service. We get to try, run the game, to ensure they're no scratches on the disks, the game works perfectly fine, before we purchase it. We get to test run the consoles before we bring them home.

What makes you think the PS3 IS GONNA SELL THERE THEN?

Erm, because it has?

ok fine. I listed why 360 doesn't sell here, games going to the PC, xbox live not attractive, the price isn't too (its more expensive than the PS3 here), microsoft's service here isn't good (you get the 3 rings you've to send it to the US yourself), its just a dvd player.

why the ps3 then?

1) Exclusives that drives us Asians crazy. We love final fantasy,we love kojima and his MGS, we love Square's list of RPGs. We love GT (because it has more asian cars than forza does)

2) Multiplat games. With the ps3, i get to enjoy gta4, re5, dmc4 just like the 360 users does too.

3) blueray. I have a blueray machine!!! I don't have to buy an extra hDdvd. Unreal Tourny 3 for me will be on a single disk. Haven you heard? 360 gonna get less maps cause its a dvd, or else it'll be multidisk. I can't imagine getting off the crouch to change disk because I selected a map which is on disk 2 !!! Oh yes, I'll be using a keyboard and mouse to play unreal 3 .. I'll be having MODS too ...the 360 can't ..

Hey bro, you forgot one thing, multiplats are better on the 360 ... you know that..

Yes i do, "skate" got a better score on 360 than ps3. But the thing is ... I don't play skate. Asians won't buy a 360 because it has a better score than the ps3 in "skate". We win some, we lose some. Oblivon came to the ps3 with extras, 360 users will get their extras too, but thats after 6 months. Everyone has to wait, don't they.

ps3 has lots of flops

we don't care about flops ... flops are merely low scores given to games that we like. Monster hunter for PSP. gamespot gave it low, but its best selling in Japan? What does this say. We just enjoy our games.

NO HALO3 FOR YOU

Common' .. its produced by microsoft game studios, you're telling me it won't appear on the PC?

I'm Asian and i'll wait...

I mean, whats with halo? Its really the most hyped game in history. Halo 2 on the PC looked like the original halflife to me. The graphics were, that bad. I mean it really. I'm so angry, a waste of my money. But what was i expecting, True HD graphics? halo2 was on the original xbox, i forgot...

360 still owns ps3 in America

Yes yes i know. Worldwide sales 360 still pwns ps3. But as you know, Asians are waiters. We're waiting for mgs4, ff13, and other games. We're waiting for, maybe a sllim ps3? haha. But in the end, we'll get our ps3s, don't you worry.

Every month, you look at sales from America, Canada, Australia, Uk. But what about Asia. What about 2billion + people here in Asia. I know MS doesn't give a hoot. Sony does, nintendo does, thats why *** games are still popular among asians, thats why month after month top selling games in *** are allJap-co games.

Bleh, you play 360 games on your PC, you're a hermit too..

Everyone owns a PC, don't they.

You don't need a top end PC. Heard of those $1000 gaming PC?

Watever, you just sum up.

ok fine. As usual. I'll have to take out watever flame/ice/water shield that i have.

I'm just trying to voice out that in this part of the world, in Asia, Microsoft doesn't stand a chance with the 360.

We're all victims of the molopoly that Microsoft have with windows ...

But given the 360/ps3/wii , we have a choice, and us Asians would go for the ps3 with the reasons listed as above.

Yes, maybe you've gotton the idea that we don't mind waiting. Truth is, we do mind, just that to us its more important to get our money's worth. Thats why we wait.

Wii is selling well too, in america, europe .. but not here. Its extremely expensive here. about 350 US dollars ..

But for us Asians, the best bargain is the ps3, games, online wifi, free online gaming, blueray, .. we'll play 360 games on the pc..

comments and flames ... please.

i would like to emphasis this last points again

"I'm just trying to voice out that in this part of the world, in Asia, Microsoft doesn't stand a chance with the 360.

We're all victims of the molopoly that Microsoft have with windows ...

But given the 360/ps3/wii , we have a choice, and us Asians would go for the ps3 with the reasons listed as above."

weiliang_1988

Asia doesnt like the 360

We get it

At least everyone will speak the same language when i play halo 3 on xbox live

coakroach

Xenophobia is hilarious.

like M$ needs more money.... what would be the point?

theshadowhunter

Obviously you haven't read bullet point number one in the Microsoft Manifesto:

1) Take over the world.

Remember the Pinky and the Brain cartoon?

It was funded by a small team of Microsoft employees :P.

[QUOTE="coakroach"]

Asia doesnt like the 360

We get it

At least everyone will speak the same language when i play halo 3 on xbox live

mushroomscout89

Xenophobia is hilarious.

I think I have Xenophobia. The extra-terrestrial kind though.

Then again I saw one of those "Wanna see something freaky ads?" but this time it said "You don't know what's in your backyard", and it had the glowing face of an alien.

I think it's a universal fear.

Hi, I'm from America, home of the free and land of the brave! You sir are on an American web site, thus making you a guest of our great nation. What happens in Singapore has no bearing here and really no impact. I really don't care what does or doesn't sell there or what games are popular. I live in America, I care about what happens here, I guess I'm funny that way. Heil68

Gamespot AU FTW

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

Not that I necessarily agree with the TC's points, as I've often wondered myself just why Xbox doesn't sell in Asia, but why do you feel it doesn't? Isn't a big part of it just culture differences? Not that I'm implying it's simplistic, or anything.

FrozenLiquid

He's already said it: the games just don't appeal. Then he went way off tangent and created all this imaginary fluff.

Xbox games are made to appeal to the Western audience. That's a given. I don't think FPSs are that hot in Asia.

That's another thing I forgot to say: even a lot of PC games don't appeal to Asians.

The big ones are the ones you see at an Asian internet cafe: Counter-Strike, Warcraft III, Starcraft, World of Warcraft and perhaps Battlefield probably broke in too (Battlefield 2 is big in the Middle East. Everyone goes on MEC for reasons unknown).

Crysis and Bioshock will probably not appeal to Asians at all, despite being available on the PC. They're very Western games; the horror in Bioshock is Western, the Sci Fish nature of Crysis is Western.

I'm not sure how much Microsoft tried to advertise the 360 in Asia. Perhaps they took a giant leap instead of baby steps at first by attacking the 'core' Asian market: Japan. Perhaps they could have tried to appeal to the Malaysians, the Singaporeans, the Chinese etc before tackling Japan.

Also, despite what we perceive, Microsoft doesn't have a good selection of Asian developers. Sure, they have grand ones, but they are so few and far between. There's no smaller companies making niche games which would round off the Asian game selection nicely. It's all big budget, super sized Lost Odyssey type things. Western people love massive scale, high production value stuff, but that doesn't mean the Asian people do. In that regard I was talking about all walks of life. When we go for Cadbury chocolate, they'll happily take the stuff from the dairy man which rides along their street every afternoon. We go for McDonalds etc, they take pride in their family owned, small time food plazas.

I'm speaking on the experience I've been through, the friends and cousins I've spoken too etc.

Really, it just is a culture thing.

I guess Microsoft needs to think like an Asian person.

Interesting stuff. I did actually hear some rumblings about Gears of War being pretty big in Japan. Surprisingly big, at least. Though that was probably all just relative.

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]

find me the actual statistical report that says how and where it was done. and I already posted the youtube vid.

weiliang_1988

well , thats asking too much of me. The news reported that and you're questioning me?

Are you crazy?

But if its really need for you to know your own countrymen are geographic illiterate.. here's the actual report

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/roper2006/pdf/FINALReport2006GeogLitsurvey.pdf

IT IS THE ACTUAL REPORT ...

and does that report say that 20% of americans cant find the US on a map??

Interesting stuff. I did actually hear some rumblings about Gears of War being pretty big in Japan. Surprisingly big, at least. Though that was probably all just relative.

Zeliard9

Perhaps the Locust look like some of their own mythical creatures :?

I can't disagree with some of what you wrote, but there are pieces that are incorrent or mistaken. One thing that definately was incorrect was the comment between two Xboxs (aka 5000 miles bit), I have a wide range of cultural friends ranging from Korea, Japan, UK, other parts of Europe and Asia and so forth. I actually play constantly with asian players upon Lost Planet, and not a single hiccup.

That's all I wanted to say at the moment, I personally would had multi-paragraph reply, but I dont have the time. Perhaps if I can find myself back to here tommorow and I can post some of my views, as well towards things you spoke of.

Anyways, welcome..

[QUOTE="weiliang_1988"][QUOTE="laughingman42"]

find me the actual statistical report that says how and where it was done. and I already posted the youtube vid.

laughingman42

well , thats asking too much of me. The news reported that and you're questioning me?

Are you crazy?

But if its really need for you to know your own countrymen are geographic illiterate.. here's the actual report

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/roper2006/pdf/FINALReport2006GeogLitsurvey.pdf

IT IS THE ACTUAL REPORT ...

and does that report say that 20% of americans cant find the US on a map??

No it doesnt.

Asia doesnt like the 360

We get it

At least everyone will speak the same language when i play halo 3 on xbox live

coakroach

lol most people in asia who would bother with a 360 are educated enough to speak englich so whats your problem?

anyway im not from asia but i aprecaite these thought i think they express the thoughts of alot of asians(probably they could do it in less words...) anyway i think that this post (however long) is a very good one and one that should wake up america to the fact that ur not as big and powerful as u think u are!! Wake up ms asia os huge and ur not as big and important as u think you are u could be making even more money (cause in my mind thats all you want) than you already are 2 billion+ people cant go wrong with the ps3.

Alright fine, from what you're saying, you can find US on the map, good, great,you can even pinpoint where starbucks is in the Hong kong palace ... so can you stop bothering me with questions regarding American's ability to point out where America is? The Aussie news said 20%, the national geogrpahic, which is american, says more, says people don't know where canada is even, says people think china's population is less than America, when china has a billion people, says people think indonasia is beside Iraq, when its in Southeastasia. Fine alright? I quoted from there, dont ask me, send a mail to National Geographic for their report, do ask them now they handled the survay will ya? Omg, you are so sensitive over the facts and report. You wanted the facts I gave you facts you wanted the links saying thati gave you links you wanted more you wanted the reporti gave you the report so leave me alone and stop asking me about american's ability on map reading !

Common' my post is on why 360 won sell in Asia.

Not why Americans can't read maps!...

Holy Cows...

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

Interesting stuff. I did actually hear some rumblings about Gears of War being pretty big in Japan. Surprisingly big, at least. Though that was probably all just relative.

FrozenLiquid

Perhaps the Locust look like some of their own mythical creatures :?

or that japan is very much a westernised country and that alot of japan has been havily influenced by the united states or i could be wrong and that japanese are not what i think they are

Alright fine, from what you're saying, you can find US on the map, good, great,you can even pinpoint where starbucks is in the Hong kong palace ... so can you stop bothering me with questions regarding American's ability to point out where America is? The Aussie news said 20%, the national geogrpahic, which is american, says more, says people don't know where canada is even, says people think china's population is less than America, when china has a billion people, says people think indonasia is beside Iraq, when its in Southeastasia. Fine alright? I quoted from there, dont ask me, send a mail to National Geographic for their report, do ask them now they handled the survay will ya? Omg, you are so sensitive over the facts and report. I gave you facts i gave you link i gave you the report so leave me alone and stop asking me about american's ability on map reading !

weiliang_1988

As some may know, Bush was here in Sydney for APEC and he thanked the AUSTRIAN Prime Minister so it is wide spread in the US. But anyway the 360 is flopping everywhere except the US, even in PAL regions because quite simply unlike the original xbox, the 360 lacks a variety of games other than ones with guns.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

Interesting stuff. I did actually hear some rumblings about Gears of War being pretty big in Japan. Surprisingly big, at least. Though that was probably all just relative.

pinkyfull

Perhaps the Locust look like some of their own mythical creatures :?

or that japan is very much a westernised country and that alot of japan has been havily influenced by the united states or i could be wrong and that japanese are not what i think they are

Japan is heavily influenced by Western stuff, but they're pretty patriotic at the same time.

[QUOTE="coakroach"]

Asia doesnt like the 360

We get it

At least everyone will speak the same language when i play halo 3 on xbox live

mushroomscout89

Xenophobia is hilarious.

Yes it is xenophobic to not understand other languages

-.-

Alright fine, from what you're saying, you can find US on the map, good, great,you can even pinpoint where starbucks is in the Hong kong palace ... so can you stop bothering me with questions regarding American's ability to point out where America is? The Aussie news said 20%, the national geogrpahic, which is american, says more, says people don't know where canada is even, says people think china's population is less than America, when china has a billion people, says people think indonasia is beside Iraq, when its in Southeastasia. Fine alright? I quoted from there, dont ask me, send a mail to National Geographic for their report, do ask them now they handled the survay will ya? Omg, you are so sensitive over the facts and report. I gave you facts i gave you link i gave you the report so leave me alone and stop asking me about american's ability on map reading !

weiliang_1988

lol i just love it when americans get shutdown by someone outside of america it points how superior they think they are.they're trying to solve problems in other countries when they cant even figure out there own conttry is illiterate they need to just give in and admit they're not the biggest fish in the sea

NO HALO 3 FOR YOU!!!!!:evil:

desktopdefender

no gt for you

We dont really care where your from....can you sum all your toughts on a singles paragraph?:?Art_424

how old are you? can't you read more than one paragraph?

[QUOTE="desktopdefender"]

NO HALO 3 FOR YOU!!!!!:evil:

imprezawrx500

no gt for you

There's Forza though.

Anyway, there's not GT 5 for most Asians since they don't have a PS3 and probably won't be getting one for a long time.

[QUOTE="pinkyfull"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

Interesting stuff. I did actually hear some rumblings about Gears of War being pretty big in Japan. Surprisingly big, at least. Though that was probably all just relative.

FrozenLiquid

Perhaps the Locust look like some of their own mythical creatures :?

or that japan is very much a westernised country and that alot of japan has been havily influenced by the united states or i could be wrong and that japanese are not what i think they are

Japan is heavily influenced by Western stuff, but they're pretty patriotic at the same time.

[QUOTE="weiliang_1988"][QUOTE="coakroach"]

Asia doesnt like the 360

We get it

At least everyone will speak the same language when i play halo 3 on xbox live

The_Nemacyst

thats true. you don't want koreans blasting into the mic i suppose.

cause u give nothing to argue,

'i live in singapore bla bla bla'

i dont even know you posted this in SW

Kaosed

no .. my stand in the last para was that MS doesn't own the world, only america...

about the singapore thing, thats where I live, at least i know where my country is on the map.

well no kidding that microsoft doesnt own the world. Since when? 10 million xbox360's is not the whole world.

Everyone knows that, but what the people in System wars cares about is games and not sales.

Microsoft currently owns the world in games. Microsoft owns Windows Vista, which has DX10, and many games for Vista - which means they almostdominate PC. The PC, the system that gets the MOST AAA games.

They also own Xbox360: The system that gets the 2nd most AAA games.

They are pretty much owning it up in games.

and aren't those 2 vista games amzing? :lol:

those 2 games are halo2 and shadow run

[QUOTE="weiliang_1988"]

Alright fine, from what you're saying, you can find US on the map, good, great,you can even pinpoint where starbucks is in the Hong kong palace ... so can you stop bothering me with questions regarding American's ability to point out where America is? The Aussie news said 20%, the national geogrpahic, which is american, says more, says people don't know where canada is even, says people think china's population is less than America, when china has a billion people, says people think indonasia is beside Iraq, when its in Southeastasia. Fine alright? I quoted from there, dont ask me, send a mail to National Geographic for their report, do ask them now they handled the survay will ya? Omg, you are so sensitive over the facts and report. I gave you facts i gave you link i gave you the report so leave me alone and stop asking me about american's ability on map reading !

pinkyfull

lol i just love it when americans get shutdown by someone outside of america it points how superior they think they are.they're trying to solve problems in other countries when they cant even figure out there own conttry is illiterate they need to just give in and admit they're not the biggest fish in the sea

...yay for sterotypes!!! did I say anywhere that I thought america was supirior to any country? I was just pointing out a BS statistic, which I was correct about.

Hi, I'm from Singapore. Been at Gamespot here for around two years. Great site IMO, love the reviews, the news, the only game-site only that does video-reviews that well, I suppose. ( i really enjoy the video reviews) Forgive me for not being a subscriber, at 19 years of age, its hard to convince my parents to lend me their credit cards to pay for my gaming needs.

A little history

I'd like to share a bit about gaming in my county, Singapore. Singapore is located in Asia, south-east. I don't know if many Americans know where Singapore is (due to the shocking fact that 20% of Americans do not know where America is on the map, which i find disturbing...) But we're a little country with a small population of 4million and a land size 1/6000 that of the US.

Alright, lets get back to gaming.Upon reading the title of the thread, probably you would have get the impression that the 360 doesn't dominate here, while the PS3 & Wii does. To an extent, thats true. Not only does the 360 not sell here, the original xbox didn't quite make an impact as well. The Sony playstations are selling, PSPs too. While the DS are being sold of the shelves like hotcakes here. The Wii doesn't though, for price reasons.

Unlike America, Video games were widely introduce during the 1990-2000 period, where Singapore was getting towards the "developed country" stage, like US, like UK. The most popular console here then was the playstation. Well this was helped that pirated games were all over the country, which did the same for the playstation 2. But that problem is being tackled now as the country is doingquite abit to stop pirating.

This is similar in other Asia countries too, piracy has help the playstation. People do not mind spending a few hundred on a console which games are selling at 5 US dollars in the black market. Same goes for the playstation 2.

In some ways, this has all turned Asians into Cows. Yep.

The games that Asians play

I'm sure many Game-spotters have written articles about JRPG vs Western RPG. Well the fact is Asians love their culture, they love their traditions. So do I. With all due respect, Oblivon is a great game. But it does not sell here in Asia, games like Final Fantasy will sell, games like monster hunter freedom 2 havesold. Well, its like Asians would prefer casting spells, summoning Bahamut than playing a knight, defending a castle. etc. Another example, Asians would play Bleach: Heat the soul ~ over Marvel vs Capcom. They would prefer naruto. They would prefer DJ max portable over other DJ games that the US offer.

Animae (*** cartoons) have played quite a big role in influencing Asians.

Most Asians grow up without video games, thats why Pokemon can be so addictive, thats why Bleach amazes us (anyway do check out Bleach will ya? It has better graphics than Tekken even, i promise).

Thats why games, despite receiving low scores from the US games industry (e.g. monsterhunterfreedom 1), will continue to be produce and distributed to Asian countries.

Asia has 2.4 billion people. Thats a very large market you're looking at.

Why the DS sells, the psp too!

Pokemon, does it ring a bell?

The PSP has always been a first choice portable gaming console for all Asians. Games like Naruto, Monster Hunter, FinalFantasy 1 & 2 and above listed are games which have and will continue to draw Asians to the PSP. Cause we're fans of it.

The DS on the other hand, sells due to its simplicity. There's no software update, there isn't a need to add a memory stick, plug and play cartridges. Cooking mama sells doesn't it? Because girls here find the big eye lady in the game"cute". Nintendogs, it gives us Asians who missed out on the "Tamagochi"craze 10 years ago another chance at having an toy dog.

It maybe childish, but Asian girls love cute things, they love doramon, they love cooking mama. They love puzzles such as Brain age, which is not a game even. That sells the DS.

What about the 360!? Don't you guys play bioshock, gears?

The mentality of gamers here is that, we'll make do with what we have. We'll enjoy what we have. If we don't, its alright.

Americans are enjoying world of warcraft, but Asians are playing Maplestory, Gunbound, cause they're free. We're playing lots of PS2 games, still. Cause the PS2 is worthy buying because it has lots of games. The DS is worth buying? why? because it has pokemon. 1000 hours of gameplay in catchin' em' all. We like the PSP, cause it can do lots of stuff other than games.

Asians, Singaporeans in particular, are "kiasu". We want the best out of everything. We're more than happy with multiplatform games.

But the thing is, we can do without the 360.

Why? Gears & bioshock !?

Yes I know, the best selling games, gears and bioshock. Bioshock just reached 1.5million. Yes. But the thing is, they're available on the PC. As I've said, Asians want to get the best out of everything, we don't mind waiting too. The main point is ... the 360 cannot offer us a strong reason to love it.

You gotta love bioshock?

Yep, I do love it, playing it on the PC, bioshock PCis retailing at SGD 60 here. Which is around USD 38. Thats great for us folks here. Even through steam is USD 50. Its cheaper than the 360 version too.

What about gears? Common man', game of the year!

Its coming to the PC too, and I get extra levels! Yes, Asians don't mind waiting. It'll probably be better on the PC as well, in terms of graphics.

What about other games?! Exclusives? Forza?

Well, Halo, Halo2, Shadowrun is all on the PC? Oh yes, i get to play Lost planet too, in DIRECTX10 graphics. Ok, fine, 360 has forza, has saint's row. But being an Asian, I can do without those that I have a "compliment for". Its like ... I'm Asian. I have GTA, why should i play saint's row? I have GT in HD, why should I purchase Forza?

DAMMIT, you're missing out on LIVE!

Nope, sad to say, Microsoft did a very poor job on Xbox live here. You see, lets say I do get xbox live, who am I gonna play with? There ain't much people "live" on xbox live you see. There's very little life in Xbox live in the Asian market. Why? Because it requires $$$. I know it isn't much. But its not worth, because I won't be spending all my time playing. I've gotta work and feed the kids.

You're missing out on a lot of multiplayer fun, kid...

Well, there're lots of great single player games out there. Plus, even if i do get Live. Even if I do get connected into a server, I'll probably be flamed for my lagbecause i'm connected 5000miles awayfrom Singapore ... I won't be enjoying the multiplayer, so I won't mind missing it

Well, we have recorded stats there

Ok, I'll have to miss out on that

we have videos there too...

there's always game spot.. I don't mind viewing in low res.

we have demos there too.. you can't argue can you.

Well, i'll wait for the whole game to be out? I forgot to mention, there aren'tlarge franchiseshops purely delicated to selling games here, like gamestop in the US. But we do have many small individual retailers selling games. Therefore, its a personalise service. We get to try, run the game, to ensure they're no scratches on the disks, the game works perfectly fine, before we purchase it. We get to test run the consoles before we bring them home.

What makes you think the PS3 IS GONNA SELL THERE THEN?

Erm, because it has?

ok fine. I listed why 360 doesn't sell here, games going to the PC, xbox live not attractive, the price isn't too (its more expensive than the PS3 here), microsoft's service here isn't good (you get the 3 rings you've to send it to the US yourself), its just a dvd player.

why the ps3 then?

1) Exclusives that drives us Asians crazy. We love final fantasy,we love kojima and his MGS, we love Square's list of RPGs. We love GT (because it has more asian cars than forza does)

2) Multiplat games. With the ps3, i get to enjoy gta4, re5, dmc4 just like the 360 users does too.

3) blueray. I have a blueray machine!!! I don't have to buy an extra hDdvd. Unreal Tourny 3 for me will be on a single disk. Haven you heard? 360 gonna get less maps cause its a dvd, or else it'll be multidisk. I can't imagine getting off the crouch to change disk because I selected a map which is on disk 2 !!! Oh yes, I'll be using a keyboard and mouse to play unreal 3 .. I'll be having MODS too ...the 360 can't ..

Hey bro, you forgot one thing, multiplats are better on the 360 ... you know that..

Yes i do, "skate" got a better score on 360 than ps3. But the thing is ... I don't play skate. Asians won't buy a 360 because it has a better score than the ps3 in "skate". We win some, we lose some. Oblivon came to the ps3 with extras, 360 users will get their extras too, but thats after 6 months. Everyone has to wait, don't they.

ps3 has lots of flops

we don't care about flops ... flops are merely low scores given to games that we like. Monster hunter for PSP. gamespot gave it low, but its best selling in Japan? What does this say. We just enjoy our games.

NO HALO3 FOR YOU

Common' .. its produced by microsoft game studios, you're telling me it won't appear on the PC?

I'm Asian and i'll wait...

I mean, whats with halo? Its really the most hyped game in history. Halo 2 on the PC looked like the original halflife to me. The graphics were, that bad. I mean it really. I'm so angry, a waste of my money. But what was i expecting, True HD graphics? halo2 was on the original xbox, i forgot...

360 still owns ps3 in America

Yes yes i know. Worldwide sales 360 still pwns ps3. But as you know, Asians are waiters. We're waiting for mgs4, ff13, and other games. We're waiting for, maybe a sllim ps3? haha. But in the end, we'll get our ps3s, don't you worry.

Every month, you look at sales from America, Canada, Australia, Uk. But what about Asia. What about 2billion + people here in Asia. I know MS doesn't give a hoot. Sony does, nintendo does, thats why *** games are still popular among asians, thats why month after month top selling games in *** are allJap-co games.

Bleh, you play 360 games on your PC, you're a hermit too..

Everyone owns a PC, don't they.

You don't need a top end PC. Heard of those $1000 gaming PC?

Watever, you just sum up.

ok fine. As usual. I'll have to take out watever flame/ice/water shield that i have.

I'm just trying to voice out that in this part of the world, in Asia, Microsoft doesn't stand a chance with the 360.

We're all victims of the molopoly that Microsoft have with windows ...

But given the 360/ps3/wii , we have a choice, and us Asians would go for the ps3 with the reasons listed as above.

Yes, maybe you've gotton the idea that we don't mind waiting. Truth is, we do mind, just that to us its more important to get our money's worth. Thats why we wait.

Wii is selling well too, in america, europe .. but not here. Its extremely expensive here. about 350 US dollars ..

But for us Asians, the best bargain is the ps3, games, online wifi, free online gaming, blueray, .. we'll play 360 games on the pc..

comments and flames ... please.

i would like to emphasis this last points again

"I'm just trying to voice out that in this part of the world, in Asia, Microsoft doesn't stand a chance with the 360.

We're all victims of the molopoly that Microsoft have with windows ...

But given the 360/ps3/wii , we have a choice, and us Asians would go for the ps3 with the reasons listed as above."

weiliang_1988

You said all that as if everyone actually cares.

Play what you want and be done with it, otherwise you would be better off writing in length about major issues in your home vs if people will buy a ps3 over the 360.

[QUOTE="pinkyfull"][QUOTE="weiliang_1988"]

Alright fine, from what you're saying, you can find US on the map, good, great,you can even pinpoint where starbucks is in the Hong kong palace ... so can you stop bothering me with questions regarding American's ability to point out where America is? The Aussie news said 20%, the national geogrpahic, which is american, says more, says people don't know where canada is even, says people think china's population is less than America, when china has a billion people, says people think indonasia is beside Iraq, when its in Southeastasia. Fine alright? I quoted from there, dont ask me, send a mail to National Geographic for their report, do ask them now they handled the survay will ya? Omg, you are so sensitive over the facts and report. I gave you facts i gave you link i gave you the report so leave me alone and stop asking me about american's ability on map reading !

laughingman42

lol i just love it when americans get shutdown by someone outside of america it points how superior they think they are.they're trying to solve problems in other countries when they cant even figure out there own conttry is illiterate they need to just give in and admit they're not the biggest fish in the sea

...yay for sterotypes!!! did I say anywhere that I thought america was supirior to any country?

no but thats what most of them think about i might turn this into something about gaming and by this i mean that americans think there superior so they dont care about the rest of the world (exept maybe iraq and the middle east (news flash oil isnt how the world goes around)) especially when it comes to games they thin kthat theycan make things foronly americans andnot think of the other gaming communities thatpassionatly about gaming.

Asians pick consoles by the following rules:

1) Hyped by the Asian media. (Wii:1, PS3:1, 360:0, PC:0)
2) Plays widely available pirate copies. (Wii:1, PS3:0, 360:0, PC:1)
3) From Japan. (Wii:1, PS3:1, 360:0, PC:0)

Final scores: Wii:3, PS3:2, 360:0, PC:1

There you go.

You said all that as if everyone actually cares.

Play what you want and be done with it, otherwise you would be better off writing in length about major issues in your home vs if people will buy a ps3 over the 360.

cjnwo4life

could you plz edit this so that maybe youve only got 1 paragraph of the original post its a tad long...

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]

[QUOTE="Wil4hire"]Wow. Halobois are ignorant. I guess no one saying anything outside of the world of 360/HALO has no clue. Typical American's. Good luck w/global sales. Enjoy your 360, while the world gamers enjoy everything.weiliang_1988

WTH is up with all this 'ignorant American' BS? 360 games appeal to Americans big deal, how many of you american bashers have even been to the US?

* Put both hands up *

I've been to america ! love it. Went LA and LV

LOL .. cool it man. I'm not bashing America, I love america for the carl's Jr burgers, as well as bringing basketball into my life. I ain't bashing nobody expect people who don't know where their country is on the map.

Erm I'm speaking up for Asians, because we kinda think alike and know what in general what Asians wan in terms for Gaming... so its interesting to see all these different opinions going on about SW between Americans among themselves and against themselves.

I don't know why, but I just have the need to say it. It your natively from Singapore, get a job as a translator :) Your first post was extremely long but well thought out, and a good perspective from another country (unless anyone else on here is from Singapore or another Asian country, you can't give a first hand account of how MS is viewed in said other countries)

Not only is your engish good, but your english slang/web speech is very good. What I mean is if you didn't say you were from Singapore, I would never assume you were from another country. :)

[QUOTE="cjnwo4life"]

You said all that as if everyone actually cares.

Play what you want and be done with it, otherwise you would be better off writing in length about major issues in your home vs if people will buy a ps3 over the 360.

pinkyfull

could you plz edit this so that maybe youve only got 1 paragraph of the original post its a tad long...

You seem to have been able to read it. Otherwise skip it next time!

[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="pinkyfull"][QUOTE="weiliang_1988"]

Alright fine, from what you're saying, you can find US on the map, good, great,you can even pinpoint where starbucks is in the Hong kong palace ... so can you stop bothering me with questions regarding American's ability to point out where America is? The Aussie news said 20%, the national geogrpahic, which is american, says more, says people don't know where canada is even, says people think china's population is less than America, when china has a billion people, says people think indonasia is beside Iraq, when its in Southeastasia. Fine alright? I quoted from there, dont ask me, send a mail to National Geographic for their report, do ask them now they handled the survay will ya? Omg, you are so sensitive over the facts and report. I gave you facts i gave you link i gave you the report so leave me alone and stop asking me about american's ability on map reading !

pinkyfull

lol i just love it when americans get shutdown by someone outside of america it points how superior they think they are.they're trying to solve problems in other countries when they cant even figure out there own conttry is illiterate they need to just give in and admit they're not the biggest fish in the sea

...yay for sterotypes!!! did I say anywhere that I thought america was supirior to any country?

no but thats what most of them think about i might turn this into something about gaming and by this i mean that americans think there superior so they dont care about the rest of the world (exept maybe iraq and the middle east (news flash oil isnt how the world goes around)) especially when it comes to games they thin kthat theycan make things foronly americans andnot think of the other gaming communities thatpassionatly about gaming.

again with mass generalizations. If you are basing this off our idiot president I hope that yuo know that his approval rating is less than 50% (it might even be less than 40%)

What country are yuo from? I want to lump youin with some BS stereotype.