Hideo Kojima: Difference between next gen systems is small

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Oh shit, well. Thread over then

 

The diff. between XBOX and PS2 graphics wise was BIG.

II_Seraphim_II

As always, the finished games themselves will tell the tale. :)

As always, the finished games themselves will tell the tale. :)

shawn30

Originally Posted by googleplex: Corretion:
The GPU is 50% more powerful. There is twice the ram Bandwidth Possibly 40% more RAM available for games (7gigs vs. 5gigs)
the difference is not "small" no matter how you slice it.

Junior Member(Today, 04:14 PM)Quote #185

Xbone has the cloud to compensate for that, have you seen Titanfall?

The cloud of stupidity has infected Gaf as well, we are doomed. :P

As much as Sony fans don't want to admit it. MS cloud processing abilities are real. 300,000 Azure servers make the Xbox ONE 3 times more powerful.

Nintendo is working on their own version. http://mynintendonews.com/2013/05/27/nintendo-appears-to-be-researching-gpgpu-powered-cloud-computing/

Sony also stated they can do cloud computing, but not as great as MS. http://www.shacknews.com/article/79760/sony-of-course-ps4-can-do-cloud-computing

As much as Sony fans don't want to admit it. MS cloud processing abilities are real. 300,000 Azure servers make the Xbox ONE 3 times more powerful.

Nintendo is working on their own version. http://mynintendonews.com/2013/05/27/nintendo-appears-to-be-researching-gpgpu-powered-cloud-computing/

Sony also stated they can do cloud computing, but not as great as MS. http://www.shacknews.com/article/79760/sony-of-course-ps4-can-do-cloud-computing

jimmypsn

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Originally Posted by googleplex: Corretion:
The GPU is 50% more powerful. There is twice the ram Bandwidth Possibly 40% more RAM available for games (7gigs vs. 5gigs)
the difference is not "small" no matter how you slice it.

Junior Member(Today, 04:14 PM)Quote #185

Xbone has the cloud to compensate for that, have you seen Titanfall?

The cloud of stupidity has infected Gaf as well, we are doomed. :P

ReadingRainbow4

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

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Originally Posted by googleplex: Corretion:
The GPU is 50% more powerful. There is twice the ram Bandwidth Possibly 40% more RAM available for games (7gigs vs. 5gigs)
the difference is not "small" no matter how you slice it.

Junior Member(Today, 04:14 PM)Quote#185

Xbone has the cloud to compensate for that, have you seen Titanfall?

The cloud of stupidity has infected Gaf as well, we are doomed. :P

shadiezz2012

People keep forgetting how powerful MS is in the tech space. They run 95% of the world's computers. I think they have an idea how run manage power resources.

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

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Originally Posted by googleplex: Corretion:
The GPU is 50% more powerful. There is twice the ram Bandwidth Possibly 40% more RAM available for games (7gigs vs. 5gigs)
the difference is not "small" no matter how you slice it.

Junior Member(Today, 04:14 PM)Quote#185

Xbone has the cloud to compensate for that, have you seen Titanfall?

The cloud of stupidity has infected Gaf as well, we are doomed. :P

cheesie253

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

50% is small?  Now lems love Kojima!?

Chutebox

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

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Originally Posted by googleplex: Corretion:
The GPU is 50% more powerful. There is twice the ram Bandwidth Possibly 40% more RAM available for games (7gigs vs. 5gigs)
the difference is not "small" no matter how you slice it.

Junior Member(Today, 04:14 PM)Quote#185

Xbone has the cloud to compensate for that, have you seen Titanfall?

The cloud of stupidity has infected Gaf as well, we are doomed. :P

cheesie253

50% in regards to the GPU, which is widely considered accurate.

[QUOTE="cheesie253"][QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] Gaf is Infected by cloud ?!....god help us all :lol:Chutebox

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Cranler"] That is small, thats about the difference between a gtx 680 and 780. Multiplats might have slightly less popup or slightly better aa. Cranler

That's complete bullshit.

[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]its going to be a ps2/xbox difference.TheEroica

Hideo Kojima "the systems are pretty much the same, the Xbox and the PS2. They're not that different."

[QUOTE="cheesie253"][QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] Gaf is Infected by cloud ?!....god help us all :lol:ReadingRainbow4

50% in regards to the GPU, which is widely considered accurate.

Why would he talk bad about plataform where hes going to release game? We'll see when we compare multiplat games.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="cheesie253"] Saying the cloud makes up for that might be wrong but so is the fact that the PS4 is 50% stronger. The differences will not be that big. Just like this gen and how Ps3 and cell was so much more powerful. Deal with it. cheesie253

50% in regards to the GPU, which is widely considered accurate.

The ps4 has all around better specs on paper, this is especially important because of how similar the architecture of both systems is. They are literally PC's at this point.

and usually if you are looking for faster frames in a PC game you upgrade your GPU first, of course you have to look out for bottlenecks with the processor but that doesn't look to be the case here.

bottom line, there is a much larger difference here than there was between the 360 and the ps3.

[QUOTE="cheesie253"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

50% in regards to the GPU, which is widely considered accurate.

ReadingRainbow4

The ps4 has all around better specs on paper.

and usually if you are looking for faster frames in a PC game you upgrade your GPU first, of course you have to look out for bottlenecks with the processor but that doesn't look to be the case here.

bottom line, there is a much larger difference here than there was between the 360 and the ps3.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Saw the difference in frame rates in games and the PS4 card had an average of about 20 frames more ps. That's pretty big.ReadingRainbow4

That's complete bullshit.

Maxed shaders and shadows

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="cheesie253"] I don't know if that number is correct but yes it known the Gpu is more advanced. I also know from being a PC gamer the Gpu isn't the end all deciding factor. How their respective architectures work together and the language being programmed on all make a difference. I know the PS4 is known to have a better Gpu but there is more to that than just gflops and specs of what it can do on paper. cheesie253

The ps4 has all around better specs on paper.

and usually if you are looking for faster frames in a PC game you upgrade your GPU first, of course you have to look out for bottlenecks with the processor but that doesn't look to be the case here.

bottom line, there is a much larger difference here than there was between the 360 and the ps3.

Explain.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] An extra 20 frames to work with will give you slightly better graphics. In Crysis 3 for example medium shader and shadows look barely different from maxed yet the performance difference is about 25 fps. Cranler

That's complete bullshit.

Maxed shaders and shadows

Boy, with screens at 1024X576 I sure can tell the difference. It's a blurry mess.

It's really inarguable TBH, the difference between the Xbox One and PS4 is massive. This has been confirmed by various devs and Digital Foundry. Kojima said he didn't have to worry about the difference between the two, most likely because he's going to develop them similarly. Bungie, on the other hand, has said that there is a difference between the two. It's all up to the developer if they want to use the power or not. I will say this though, in the long run, PS4 will have way better looking games once RAM and RAM speed starts becoming a problem.

[QUOTE="cheesie253"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

The ps4 has all around better specs on paper.

and usually if you are looking for faster frames in a PC game you upgrade your GPU first, of course you have to look out for bottlenecks with the processor but that doesn't look to be the case here.

bottom line, there is a much larger difference here than there was between the 360 and the ps3.

ReadingRainbow4

Explain.

It's really inarguable TBH, the difference between the Xbox One and PS4 is massive. This has been confirmed by various devs and Digital Foundry. Kojima said he didn't have to worry about the difference between the two, most likely because he's going to develop them similarly. Bungie, on the other hand, has said that there is a difference between the two. It's all up to the developer if they want to use the power or not. I will say this though, in the long run, PS4 will have way better looking games once RAM and RAM speed starts becoming a problem.

XVision84

Been waiting for a chance to use that :P

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

That's complete bullshit.

ReadingRainbow4

Maxed shaders and shadows

Boy, with screens at 1024X576 I sure can tell the difference. It's a blurry mess.

I see virgin basement dweller cows are not taking this news very well :?

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

That's complete bullshit.

Cranler

Maxed shaders and shadows

Boy, with screens at 1024X576 I sure can tell the difference. It's a blurry mess.

even if one game had a minimal difference between Settings that reportedly take away around 25 fps,(crys 3) how does that transfer to other games? That's still processing power for more effects and features.

I already knew you were wrong from the start, I was just messing with you. I've played crysis 3 at max settings and there is a pretty big difference in fidelity with both at max.

I see virgin basement dweller cows are not taking this news very well :?

HaRmLeSS_RaGe

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]Medium shaders and shadows

Maxed shaders and shadows

ReadingRainbow4

Boy, with screens at 1024X576 I sure can tell the difference. It's a blurry mess.

even if one game had a minimal difference between Settings that reportedly take away around 25 fps,(crys 3) how does that transfer to other games? That's still processing power for more effects and features.

I already knew you were wrong from the start, I was just messing with you. I've played crysis 3 at max settings and there is a pretty big difference in fidelity with both at max.

TO be fair to the dirty cows, Kojima is just an ideas guy. I highly doubt he even knows how to program a hello world script. What would he know about Data Structures and Advanced Algorithm methods like Greedy Algorithms?

It's in a multiplatform dev's best interest to encourage the myth of parity. By suggesting that the xbox ONE version is highly inferior to the PS4 version, Kojima would alienate the demographic that only has the xbox ONE.

I've played crysis 3 at max settings and there is a pretty big difference in fidelity with both at max.

ReadingRainbow4

The difference is $100.

Shewgenja

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[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

Boy, with screens at 1024X576 I sure can tell the difference. It's a blurry mess.

Cranler

even if one game had a minimal difference between Settings that reportedly take away around 25 fps,(crys 3) how does that transfer to other games? That's still processing power for more effects and features.

I already knew you were wrong from the start, I was just messing with you. I've played crysis 3 at max settings and there is a pretty big difference in fidelity with both at max.

I've got a better idea, how about we go back to your original post and you explain how using lower graphical settings in a game constitutes a small difference.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]Medium shaders and shadows

Maxed shaders and shadowCranler

Boy, with screens at 1024X576 I sure can tell the difference. It's a blurry mess.

Keep in mind InFamous SS is an open world/ sand box game.

Yeah, RYSE looks terrible... And it's not even open-world...

Yeah, RYSE looks terrible... And it's not even open-world...

CallOfDutyRulez

How did you think COD Ghosts looked?

quite possibly the best graphics I've seen from these next gen titles yet.

kinectthedots

That Ryse game looks like ass.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Yeah, RYSE looks terrible... And it's not even open-world...

ReadingRainbow4

How did you think COD Ghosts looked?

quite possibly the best graphics I've seen from these next gen titles yet.

Graphics don't matter. I could give 2 craps about destructability or the laughable fish AI.

My only concern is how much in profits you're going to make with your prodocts. Failure to turn over a decent profit means bankruptcy. You can make the best game in the world, but if you're not making a profit, you're gonna go down and there won't be any more sequels. Why torture myself with the thought that no sequel will ever be made for a great game that I just played?

By avoiding games made from financially failing studios, I avoid that risk.

[QUOTE="kinectthedots"]

 

Truth_Hurts_U

That Ryse game looks like ass.

And this is with Crytek being behind the game.  MS doen't have any game developers that are better at making graphics than them.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Yeah, RYSE looks terrible... And it's not even open-world...

CallOfDutyRulez

How did you think COD Ghosts looked?

quite possibly the best graphics I've seen from these next gen titles yet.

Graphics don't matter. I could give 2 craps about destructability or the laughable fish AI.

My only concern is how much in profits you're going to make with your prodocts. Failure to turn over a decent profit means bankruptcy. You can make the best game in the world, but if you're not making a profit, you're gonna go down and there won't be any more sequels. Why torture myself with the thought that no sequel will ever be made for a great game that I just played?

By avoiding games made from financially failing studios, I avoid that risk.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"] Weak damage control. Dont need super high res to see the difference is minimal. In fact the only notable difference is in the upper left corner where I think the lower settings actually looks better. Check this tweak guide to see how small the differences are http://www.tweakguides.com/Crysis3_9.html[/QUOTE]

even if one game had a minimal difference between Settings that reportedly take away around 25 fps,(crys 3) how does that transfer to other games? That's still processing power for more effects and features.

I already knew you were wrong from the start, I was just messing with you. I've played crysis 3 at max settings and there is a pretty big difference in fidelity with both at max.

ReadingRainbow4

I've got a better idea, how about we go back to your original post and you explain how using lower graphical settings in a game constitutes a small difference.

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

[QUOTE="shawn30"] Nah, I have seen box One games and feel they are equal or better than PS4 games. Until I see different the spoecs are what they are. But I don't play specs, I play games. I respect your opinion though. Nodsshawn30

the PS4 gpu has a 1.84 teraflop GPU and the Xbox One has a 1.1 teraflop GPU... bigg difference and you can see it in the PS4 exclusives like Infamous second son, which really feels like a NEXT next gen game compared to Titanfall and the other terrible games they showed at Xbox E3 

People think Ryse looks terrible? I mean as a game I'm sure it'll suck but graphically? I thought it looked sharp.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] My screens show minor differences. Post some screens with medium shaders and shadows vs max that show otherwise. Cranler

I've got a better idea, how about we go back to your original post and you explain how using lower graphical settings in a game constitutes a small difference.

Again, you are using only one example.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

Boy, with screens at 1024X576 I sure can tell the difference. It's a blurry mess.

kinectthedots

Keep in mind InFamous SS is an open world/ sand box game.

People think Ryse looks terrible? I mean as a game I'm sure it'll suck but graphically? I thought it looked sharp.

ActicEdge

Between the low res textures, bad draw distance and this... (scoll over to see)

Where's the cloud power?

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

Boy, with screens at 1024X576 I sure can tell the difference. It's a blurry mess.

kinectthedots

Keep in mind InFamous SS is an open world/ sand box game.