Hideo Kojima: Difference between next gen systems is small

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I've got a better idea, how about we go back to your original post and you explain how using lower graphical settings in a game constitutes a small difference.

ReadingRainbow4

Again, you are using only one example.

[QUOTE="kinectthedots"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Weak damage control. Dont need super high res to see the difference is minimal. In fact the only notable difference is in the upper left corner where I think the lower settings actually looks better. Check this tweak guide to see how small the differences are http://www.tweakguides.com/Crysis3_9.htmlcheesie253

Keep in mind InFamous SS is an open world/ sand box game.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

People think Ryse looks terrible? I mean as a game I'm sure it'll suck but graphically? I thought it looked sharp.

Truth_Hurts_U

Between the low res textures, bad draw distance and this...

Where's the cloud power?

That's one constantly spammed screen. The gameplay I watched looked good to me. I'm not a heavy graphics critic though. (well for the most part I don't think GOW:A looks that good for example)

Fact of the matter is Xbone is objectively a shitty system.

Ryse looks terrible? Sure it does. lol The game was one of the graphical show pieces at E3. Made by crytek for goodness. The company sometimes known for only its graphics.

That's one constantly spammed screen. The gameplay I watched looked good to me. I'm not a heavy graphics critic though.

ActicEdge

Scroll over... Don't just look at the guy on my post.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] If the result of lower graphical settings is a small difference...Cranler

Again, you are using only one example.

Why are you so hung up on crysis 3, I'm asking for you to give me other examples. I've played it and completed it and frankly have no desire to ever again.

I'm trying to help you strengthen your argument, you should be thanking me.

People think Ryse looks terrible? I mean as a game I'm sure it'll suck but graphically? I thought it looked sharp.

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="shawn30"][QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] what i stated isnt opinions man its facts, actual facts from the industry nah man you just got microsoft rose goggles on, nothing at Xbox's E3 comes even close to The Sorcerer tech demo showed at the PS4 event running in REAL TIME ON A PS4 DEV KIT, expect a drop in graphics for the Xbox one buddy because what they showed at E3 was running on the new 700 series GTX cards running on Windows 7. im not really sure if your just trying to troll now or not im confused but like i said stop being so delusional.

 

the PS4 gpu has a 1.84 teraflop GPU and the Xbox One has a 1.1 teraflop GPU... bigg difference and you can see it in the PS4 exclusives like Infamous second son, which really feels like a NEXT next gen game compared to Titanfall and the other terrible games they showed at Xbox E3 

xboxiphoneps3

[QUOTE="kinectthedots"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Weak damage control. Dont need super high res to see the difference is minimal. In fact the only notable difference is in the upper left corner where I think the lower settings actually looks better. Check this tweak guide to see how small the differences are http://www.tweakguides.com/Crysis3_9.htmlcheesie253

Keep in mind InFamous SS is an open world/ sand box game.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

 

That's one constantly spammed screen. The gameplay I watched looked good to me. I'm not a heavy graphics critic though.

Truth_Hurts_U

Scroll over... Don't just look at the guy on my post.

The idea that I didn't is pretty insulting. Its a bad screen. Every game has them. I watched video and it looked fine to me. I dunno why you don't get that.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

People think Ryse looks terrible? I mean as a game I'm sure it'll suck but graphically? I thought it looked sharp.

cheesie253

The idea that I didn't is pretty insulting. Its a bad screen. Every game has them. I watched video and it looked fine to me. I dunno why you don't get that.

ActicEdge

Well if you think that game looks good you haven't play many games. Then again people have weird taste in games.

Next gen game with cloud power... Still has floating bodies and cut and paste soldiers. :lol:

Only thing that looked good was the guys armor. Gameplay also looks like crap.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

Again, you are using only one example.

ReadingRainbow4

Why are you so hung up on crysis 3, I'm asking for you to give me other examples. I've played it and completed it and frankly have no desire to ever again.

I'm trying to help you strengthen your argument, you should be thanking me.

Well if you think that game looks good you haven't play many games. Then again people have weird taste in games.

Next gen game with cloud power... Still has floating bodies and cut and paste soldiers. :lol:

Only thing that looked good was the guys armor. Gameplay also looks like crap.

 

Truth_Hurts_U

So basically, anyone who disagrees with you is wrong and has lesser tast than you? Well, I can't argue with stupidity so sure.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/06/18/hideo-kojima-surprised-by-ps4s-cheap-price-talks-about-comparison-with-xbox-one-and-cameras/

"The difference is small, and I dont really need to worry about it. When you come right down to it, the PS4 is cheap (laughs). Though, I wonder about the inclusion of the camera

How shall Cows discredit Kojima :)

Lets collect the damage control hahahahaha

shawn30

Kojima butthurt confirmed... picked the wrong console huh buddy? /thread

So basically, anyone who disagrees with you is wrong and has lesser tast than you? Well, I can't argue with stupidity so sure.

ActicEdge

:lol:

Your the one saying the game looks good. Not me. Your the one having a hissy fit over me pointing bad things out in a game.

Stupidity...

:lol:

Is the difference between 6" and 8" small?  :oops:

What is roughly 40% bigger then the other.  PS4 is roughly 40% stronger

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

So basically, anyone who disagrees with you is wrong and has lesser tast than you? Well, I can't argue with stupidity so sure.

Truth_Hurts_U

:lol:

Your the one saying the game looks good. Not me. Your the one having a hissy fit over me pointing bad things out in a game.

Stupidity...

:lol:

Or some poeple think that a game that isn't "God tier PC quality" can look good.  Because they just look at a screen and say "looks solid"

Or some poeple think that a game that isn't "God tier PC quality" can look good. Because they just look at a screen and say "looks solid"

turtlethetaffer

It's sad people can't take people on a forum about system fights... Gotta QQ.

I make valid points and then guy goes nuts lol.

Don't come to SW's if you can't handle your game being picked apart.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

So basically, anyone who disagrees with you is wrong and has lesser tast than you? Well, I can't argue with stupidity so sure.

Truth_Hurts_U

:lol:

Your the one saying the game looks good. Not me. Your the one having a hissy fit over me pointing bad things out in a game.

Stupidity...

:lol:

Uh sorry but you quoted my opinion and stated how I was wrong because you disagree. I don't get how I am throwing a hissy fit because you are spamming 1 screen shot lol. Watching video I thought Ryse looked fine. I don't see the controversy sir.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Or some poeple think that a game that isn't "God tier PC quality" can look good. Because they just look at a screen and say "looks solid"

Truth_Hurts_U

It's sad people can't take people on a forum about system fights... Gotta QQ.

I make valid points and then guy goes nuts lol.

Don't come to SW's if you can't handle your game being picked apart.

Huh? I'm not even saying Ryse looks good, I'm just sick of people saying that games that look fine look like shit.  Take Dark Souls. Game looks great in every department, but people still say it looks shitty.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]Medium shaders and shadows

Maxed shaders and shadows

Cranler

Boy, with screens at 1024X576 I sure can tell the difference. It's a blurry mess.

Uh sorry but you quoted my opinion and stated how I was wrong because you disagree. I don't get how I am throwing a hissy fit because you are spamming 1 screen shot lol. Watching video I thought Ryse looked fine. I don't see the controversy sir.

ActicEdge

You asked... I gave you an answer... Next time don't ask if you don't want to hear an opinion.

Better yet go to another forum.

Besides I did not spam that pic. Just shows how little you know. I posted it 1 time as a quote while taking the other pic out. Then replied with an edited version to point out flaws.

QQ moar.

:lol:

I think Dead Rising 3 looks better than Infamous SS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6pSP6jyibU vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uibnf_Q_51s

That actually seems like an article trying to take more meaning out of what little Kojima said than there is to it.

You asked... I gave you an answer... Next time don't ask if you don't want to hear an opinion.

Better yet go to another forum.

Besides I did not spam that pic. Just shows how little you know. I posted it 1 time as a quote while taking the other pic out. Then replied with an edited version to point out flaws.

QQ moar.

:lol:

Truth_Hurts_U

Someone can't remember what happened 15 minutes ago. Where in the below did I ask for your opinion (or anyone's opinion for that matter) Truth_Hurts_U?

People think Ryse looks terrible? I mean as a game I'm sure it'll suck but graphically? I thought it looked sharp.

ActicEdge

Its strange because I don't see it any where in there. But we know you sure as hell wanted to give it anyway

Between the low res textures, bad draw distance and this... (scoll over to see)

Where's the cloud power?

Truth_Hurts_U

I'm not sitting here pretending Ryse is some graphical bombshell but I thought it looked pretty good judging by video. Not the one really shitty picture you are building your entire point off of. That's crying? Okay then sir.

I think Dead Rising 3 looks better than Infamous SS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6pSP6jyibU vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uibnf_Q_51s

Cranler

Yeah, no.

cows on kojima before:

and after:

I think Dead Rising 3 looks better than Infamous SS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6pSP6jyibU vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uibnf_Q_51s

Cranler

Someone can't remember what happened 15 minutes ago. Where in the below did I ask for your opinion (or anyone's opinion for that matter) Truth_Hurts_U?

ActicEdge

Stupidity... :lol:

"People think Ryse looks terrible? I mean as a game I'm sure it'll suck but graphically?"

after santora explained it to me, graphics arent always about teraflops.

I think Dead Rising 3 looks better than Infamous SS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6pSP6jyibU vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uibnf_Q_51s

Cranler

lol no

and yes that is a gameplay shot of Infamous SS

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

Boy, with screens at 1024X576 I sure can tell the difference. It's a blurry mess.

Articuno76

Tomb raider in general is an unoptimized mess, especially on nividia hardware.

But there is a difference with the shadows, I notice with them on normal you lose the soft quality in alot of scenes. I personally don't run mine at ultra on my gtx 580 with the custom OC of 920/2100 and maintain a near constant 60fps with FXXA.

If he wants to start talking about how the difference of a setting that takes away 20 or so FPS, a better example would be 2-4X SSAA that really improves image quality unfortunately it tanks performance.

I will never agree with him however that having the extra GPU processing power to run 20-30 more frames is a small difference, like I said that allows for a great difference in image quality, depending on if the devs take advantage of it.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

 

Someone can't remember what happened 15 minutes ago. Where in the below did I ask for your opinion (or anyone's opinion for that matter) Truth_Hurts_U?

 

Truth_Hurts_U

Stupidity... :lol:

"People think Ryse looks terrible? I mean as a game I'm sure it'll suck but graphically?"

That's wasn't a question that was suppose to be answered :roll:  It was rhetorical. The fact that you think it was anything but that is so utterly sad.

That's wasn't a question that was suppose to be answered :roll: It was rhetorical. The fact that you think it was anything but that is so utterly sad.

ActicEdge

:lol:

You must not know your on a forum.

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

 

That's one constantly spammed screen. The gameplay I watched looked good to me. I'm not a heavy graphics critic though.

ActicEdge

Scroll over... Don't just look at the guy on my post.

The idea that I didn't is pretty insulting. Its a bad screen. Every game has them. I watched video and it looked fine to me. I dunno why you don't get that.

It's a bad screen?

or is it that you can't accept the graphics for what they are?

The difference is $100.

Shewgenja

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

I think Dead Rising 3 looks better than Infamous SS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6pSP6jyibU vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uibnf_Q_51s

ReadingRainbow4

Yeah, no.

Second son looks pretty sharp. DR:3 looks a ways worse but I think the 2 are very different games.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

The difference is $100.

TidusIsBest

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

Scroll over... Don't just look at the guy on my post.

kinectthedots

The idea that I didn't is pretty insulting. Its a bad screen. Every game has them. I watched video and it looked fine to me. I dunno why you don't get that.

It's a bad screen?

or is it that you can't accept the graphics for what they are?

Looks pretty shit in screens it seems. Looks better in video though which is what I'm judging all graphics off of this E3. I don't see why people think it looks terrible. I can grasp that it was out done by many other games this E3 like The Division or Second Son.

It's a bad screen?

or is it that you can't accept the graphics for what they are?

kinectthedots

Holy hell that is nasty... :lol:

Guy's foot is clipping through his sandal, with his low res clothing, bad hair and smeared arm pit.

[QUOTE="kinectthedots"]

It's a bad screen?

or is it that you can't accept the graphics for what they are?

Truth_Hurts_U

Holy hell that is nasty... :lol:

Guy's foot is clipping through his sandal, with his low res clothing, bad hair and smeared arm pit.

What the **** is up with his legs? are they even textured, lmao.

What the **** is up with his legs? are they even textured, lmao.

ReadingRainbow4

But... But... The game looks so good... :lol:

Yeah, looks hella nasty. MS paint hair with heavy compression.

The difference is easy, in fact 3 letters easy

DRM

X1 is boned

Did you really think a multiplat dev would come out a say "oh yea so and so console is definitely stronger than the other one"?

Goodness, some of you really don't understand PR talk at all.

True power of systems have always come down to First party devs. That's when we willl see the real difference.

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

Someone can't remember what happened 15 minutes ago. Where in the below did I ask for your opinion (or anyone's opinion for that matter) Truth_Hurts_U?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

People think Ryse looks terrible? I mean as a game I'm sure it'll suck but graphically? I thought it looked sharp.

ActicEdge

Its strange because I don't see it any where in there. But we know you sure as hell wanted to give it anyway

Between the low res textures, bad draw distance and this... (scoll over to see)

Where's the cloud power?

Truth_Hurts_U

I'm not sitting here pretending Ryse is some graphical bombshell but I thought it looked pretty good judging by video. Not the one really shitty picture you are building your entire point off of. That's crying? Okay then sir.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

Its strange because I don't see it any where in there. But we know you sure as hell wanted to give it anyway

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

Between the low res textures, bad draw distance and this... (scoll over to see)

Where's the cloud power?

Cranler

I'm not sitting here pretending Ryse is some graphical bombshell but I thought it looked pretty good judging by video. Not the one really shitty picture you are building your entire point off of. That's crying? Okay then sir.

Most of us saw a pretty big difference.

You sure you game on pc bro?