How can anybody not like PC gaming?

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]Theres reasonable doubt behind it as I havent had these problems. Just like when someone is at a trial theres a reasonable doubt.Vandalvideo

Yes theres a reasonable doubt that all 360's could die of PROD. Does that mean it will happen, perhaps, perhaps not. And as I said I can probably force a game to slow down if I do things that the devs didnt mean to be done.

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]Theres reasonable doubt behind it as I havent had these problems. Just like when someone is at a trial theres a reasonable doubt.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Im sorry but GS says the frame rates are terrible or inconsistant on the 360 with these games.

You say 'well some 360 may run it better than others'.

Then refute people when they say 'well some PCs are going to run games better than others' - you say they all run games poorly even '$2000' ones.

:lol:

Im sorry, but you by your own logic have single handedly owned yourself again.

Flexmaster_365

Thats not what I said at all, what I said is perhaps GS wasnt playing the game exaclty as it was meant to be.

You have absolutely no proof of this, it's just speculation.

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="Gambler_1"][QUOTE="f50p90"]I've played games on my PC before, I prefer consoles. Simple as thatDeihmos

why is it that it seems every console fanboy has a 42" HDTV and than go on whining about the price of a PC :?

An HDTV is a part of your entertainment center. Cable TV, movies etc. Who buys a TV to be used with a console only?

And who byus a pc to be used with games only? where r u actually write these? hmmm pc maybe

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Im sorry but GS says the frame rates are terrible or inconsistant on the 360 with these games.

You say 'well some 360 may run it better than others'.

Then refute people when they say 'well some PCs are going to run games better than others' - you say they all run games poorly even '$2000' ones.

:lol:

Im sorry, but you by your own logic have single handedly owned yourself again.

aliblabla2007

Thats not what I said at all, what I said is perhaps GS wasnt playing the game exaclty as it was meant to be.

You have absolutely no proof of this, it's just speculation.

Isnt everything to a point until you see it with your own eyes?

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Im sorry but GS says the frame rates are terrible or inconsistant on the 360 with these games.

You say 'well some 360 may run it better than others'.

Then refute people when they say 'well some PCs are going to run games better than others' - you say they all run games poorly even '$2000' ones.

:lol:

Im sorry, but you by your own logic have single handedly owned yourself again.

Flexmaster_365

Thats not what I said at all, what I said is perhaps GS wasnt playing the game exaclty as it was meant to be.

You have absolutely no proof of this, it's just speculation.

Isnt everything to a point until you see it with your own eyes?

You have nothing to back up your claim, NOTHING. The only thing you've got is a "maybe" and that's highly unlikely.

How the heck do you "play the way it's not meant to be played" anyway? That's only on the PC, and that usually refers to playing the graphics on lower than what you were supposed to play at.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]Theres reasonable doubt behind it as I havent had these problems. Just like when someone is at a trial theres a reasonable doubt.Flexmaster_365

Yes theres a reasonable doubt that all 360's could die of PROD. Does that mean it will happen, perhaps, perhaps not. And as I said I can probably force a game to slow down if I do things that the devs didnt mean to be done.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]Theres reasonable doubt behind it as I havent had these problems. Just like when someone is at a trial theres a reasonable doubt.RobbieH1234

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Im sorry but GS says the frame rates are terrible or inconsistant on the 360 with these games.

You say 'well some 360 may run it better than others'.

Then refute people when they say 'well some PCs are going to run games better than others' - you say they all run games poorly even '$2000' ones.

:lol:

Im sorry, but you by your own logic have single handedly owned yourself again.

Flexmaster_365

Thats not what I said at all, what I said is perhaps GS wasnt playing the game exaclty as it was meant to be.

And all PC's runn the games inconsistenly, one of my friends has a 8800GT in his PC and when we play Call of Duty 4 theres parts in the story line where the frames go way down and its the same deal with my 6600GT but it happens more frequently, PC's are just extremelly inconcsistent with frames. Wheras 360's are rock steady as long as you use common sense and keep your discs scrath free, your 360 cool and you play the game how its meant to be played.

I own all those games

GameSpot also agrees with me

Dirt 360 review

"frame rate tanks hard during certain scenarios"

And Full Auto?

" Frame rate can't keep up with the action."

Perfect Dark Zero from the Gamespot review

"You might also see the game's frame rate take a dive during particularly hairy multiplayer shoot-outs, though this also happens on occasion in the mission mode."

Im sorry but it seems according to your logic the 360 is a crap gaming machine because it cant even run games well.

/argument

skrat_01

Your logic proves that the 360 isnt 'rock steady' but you say otherwise.

I think your are confused with yourself.

Have you got any other evedince to prove yourself otheriwse?

Seriously stop feeding him, its simple, just do not respond X_xMeu2k7

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]

Isnt everything to a point until you see it with your own eyes?

aliblabla2007

You have nothing to back up your claim, NOTHING. The only thing you've got is a "maybe" and that's highly unlikely.

How the heck do you "play the way it's not meant to be played" anyway? That's only on the PC, and that usually refers to playing the graphics on lower than what you were supposed to play at.

A maybe is more than enough for me, since I have played these games with my own two eyes and as long as there is a mybe that GS isnt playing it properly or didnt do something right then that clearly proves it to me as I have had no problems.

Theres a number of ways, first of all not taking care of your CD and your 360 to make sure its not overheating for one, secondly not looking for any bugs or glitches and then explointing them and not getting to points or doing things that the devs didnt mean for you to do.

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]Theres reasonable doubt behind it as I havent had these problems. Just like when someone is at a trial theres a reasonable doubt.Vandalvideo

Yes theres a reasonable doubt that all 360's could die of PROD. Does that mean it will happen, perhaps, perhaps not. And as I said I can probably force a game to slow down if I do things that the devs didnt mean to be done.

True but I wont judge until I see it with my own two eyes, and with PDZ for example I have seen it with my own two eyes thats why theres a reasonable chance GS did something wrong.

I have proof how inconsistant the 360 runs games by your own logic:

I own all those games

GameSpot also agrees with me

Dirt 360 review

"frame rate tanks hard during certain scenarios"

And Full Auto?

" Frame rate can't keep up with the action."

Perfect Dark Zero from the Gamespot review

"You might also see the game's frame rate take a dive during particularly hairy multiplayer shoot-outs, though this also happens on occasion in the mission mode."

Im sorry but it seems according to your logic the 360 is a crap gaming machine because it cant even run games well.

/argument

Your logic proves that the 360 isnt 'rock steady' but you say otherwise.

I think your are confused with yourself.

Have you got any other evedince to prove yourself otheriwse?

skrat_01

I allready responded to that.

True but I wont judge until I see it with my own two eyes, and with PDZ for example I have seen it with my own two eyes thats why theres a reasonable chance GS did something wrong.Flexmaster_365

Not entirely sure, I'm just poking holes in his rhetoric. Check Skrat's posts.Vandalvideo

DiRT

IGN: "Despite a fluttering framerate".

1Up: "The framerate suffers when a gaggle of cars are within camera range"

GameDaily: " Aside from that, the game suffers from long load times and an inconsistent frame rate"

Full Auto

Gamespy: "frame-rate drops on HD displays."

1Up: "Despite a few glitches and the occasional framerate problems"

IGN: "Coming out of a replay always results in a massive framerate spike. Lesser spikes occur when the game flashes to slow motion cutscenes when you blow up an opponent or get shredded yourself."

Let's not forget the texture pop-ins in Gears of War, or the slideshow that is Oblivion.

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]True but I wont judge until I see it with my own two eyes, and with PDZ for example I have seen it with my own two eyes thats why theres a reasonable chance GS did something wrong.Vandalvideo

Well theres no way to know for sure, but first of all they could have had a scratched disc, an overheating system, or maybe a bad 360 altogethe. Addtionally they may have been running around the level somewhere your not supposed to go and maybe they ran into a bug, who knows it could be a number of things or even combinations.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

I have proof how inconsistant the 360 runs games by your own logic:

I own all those games

GameSpot also agrees with me

Dirt 360 review

"frame rate tanks hard during certain scenarios"

And Full Auto?

" Frame rate can't keep up with the action."

Perfect Dark Zero from the Gamespot review

"You might also see the game's frame rate take a dive during particularly hairy multiplayer shoot-outs, though this also happens on occasion in the mission mode."

Im sorry but it seems according to your logic the 360 is a crap gaming machine because it cant even run games well.

/argument

Your logic proves that the 360 isnt 'rock steady' but you say otherwise.

I think your are confused with yourself.

Have you got any other evedince to prove yourself otheriwse?

Flexmaster_365

I allready responded to that.

"Have you got any other evedince to prove yourself otheriwse?"

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Not entirely sure, I'm just poking holes in his rhetoric. Check Skrat's posts.RobbieH1234

DiRT

IGN: "Despite a fluttering framerate".

1Up: "The framerate suffers when a gaggle of cars are within camera range"

GameDaily: " Aside from that, the game suffers from long load times and an inconsistent frame rate"

Full Auto

Gamespy: "frame-rate drops on HD displays."

1Up: "Despite a few glitches and the occasional framerate problems"

IGN: "Coming out of a replay always results in a massive framerate spike. Lesser spikes occur when the game flashes to slow motion cutscenes when you blow up an opponent or get shredded yourself."

Let's not forget the texture pop-ins in Gears of War, or the slideshow that is Oblivion.

Its funny that you put Dirt and Full Auto on there, the two games I have not played. I only played the Dirt demo and it was smooth as silk, I dont know how the full game runs however as I have not played it and thus wont cast judgment. However they could be wrong as GS was with PDZ.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Not entirely sure, I'm just poking holes in his rhetoric. Check Skrat's posts.RobbieH1234

DiRT

IGN: "Despite a fluttering framerate".

1Up: "The framerate suffers when a gaggle of cars are within camera range"

GameDaily: " Aside from that, the game suffers from long load times and an inconsistent frame rate"

Full Auto

Gamespy: "frame-rate drops on HD displays."

1Up: "Despite a few glitches and the occasional framerate problems"

IGN: "Coming out of a replay always results in a massive framerate spike. Lesser spikes occur when the game flashes to slow motion cutscenes when you blow up an opponent or get shredded yourself."

Let's not forget the texture pop-ins in Gears of War, or the slideshow that is Oblivion.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]True but I wont judge until I see it with my own two eyes, and with PDZ for example I have seen it with my own two eyes thats why theres a reasonable chance GS did something wrong.Flexmaster_365

Well theres no way to know for sure, but first of all they could have had a scratched disc, an overheating system, or maybe a bad 360 altogethe. Addtionally they may have been running around the level somewhere your not supposed to go and maybe they ran into a bug, who knows it could be a number of things or even combinations.

"Have you got any other evedince to prove yourself otheriwse?"

skrat_01

Yeah a very possible reasonable doubt that GS may have done something wrong as I have played PDZ for over 100+ hours online and off and the only slow down I have gotten was the occasional lag online which is normal, and mostly due to my slow internet connection. Never have I even see the game drop a frame for a milisecond, and my friends who have played it with me numerous times will agree.

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]True but I wont judge until I see it with my own two eyes, and with PDZ for example I have seen it with my own two eyes thats why theres a reasonable chance GS did something wrong.Vandalvideo

Well theres no way to know for sure, but first of all they could have had a scratched disc, an overheating system, or maybe a bad 360 altogethe. Addtionally they may have been running around the level somewhere your not supposed to go and maybe they ran into a bug, who knows it could be a number of things or even combinations.

Its hard for me to believe as well, but due to the fact that Im not getting those problems with the game after playing it for countless hours I will belive anything, besides it could have been any one of those things or even others.

Its funny that you put Dirt and Full Auto on there, the two games I have not played. I only played the Dirt demo and it was smooth as silk, I dont know how the full game runs however as I have not played it and thus wont cast judgment. However they could be wrong as GS was with PDZ.

Flexmaster_365

I think keboard and mouse suck for playing games, been playing video games for over 20 years and can kick your hermit butt in most games so don't call me a non gamer. Most hardcore gamers grew up playing arcade machines, not sitting in their bedrooms playing RPG number 100002, hermits are not hardcore at all, just think they are because they spend to much money on lumps of wires and plastic that are better for printing holiday pics than playing games.

AlienSoldier

okay dont play with keyboard and mouse buy a gamepad

I think keboard and mouse suck for playing games, been playing video games for over 20 years and can kick your hermit butt in most games so don't call me a non gamer. Most hardcore gamers grew up playing arcade machines, not sitting in their bedrooms playing RPG number 100002, hermits are not hardcore at all, just think they are because they spend to much money on lumps of wires and plastic that are better for printing holiday pics than playing games.

AlienSoldier

okay dont play with keyboard and mouse buy a gamepad

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]

Its funny that you put Dirt and Full Auto on there, the two games I have not played. I only played the Dirt demo and it was smooth as silk, I dont know how the full game runs however as I have not played it and thus wont cast judgment. However they could be wrong as GS was with PDZ.

RobbieH1234

Im not saying that they are wrong they could very well be right with Full Auto and Dirt, however I have not played those two games so Im not gonna pass any judgment until I do play them, all I am saying is that they could be wrong like GS was with PDZ.

Easily. They prefer a controller and prefer to not ever have to mess with graphics settings, just plug in and play.

As much as I love my PC they are frustrating. I always am messing with graphic settings to tweak my framerate and to get the most out of my system, I have to constantly install drivers, and I have to maintain my computer. I find this all very rewarding in the end but it is hassel.

The beauty of consoles are they are easy. You buy one, you plug it into the TV, you pop in a game and you start gaming. I hope that Sony and M$ keep this simple formula. I keep hearing about possible upgrades to their consoles. This would be the worst thing ever. They are trying to push console gameing to PC gaming and ruin all the things that are great about console gaming.

There is also the issue of the controller. Some people love them, other people hate them. Personally I don't mind them, I would rather game on a mouse and keyboard for certian games but for others I would want a controller. Madden does not work on a PC, and every once in awhile I do want to play football. A game like MGS4 would also not work on a PC just because the feel of the controller matches the style of the gameplay. However a game like Counter Strike would never work well on a console because it is so much faster paced.

So bascially it all comes down to the person and how detailed they want to get. For a person like me PC gaming is great becuase I love dinking around with my computer, but to others that isn't appealing. As much as PC fans like to deny that PCs are complicated, they have to know that there are many people who just don't care about PCs nor want to ever learn about them.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]PC Gaming is expensive, complicated and most of the best games are on consoles so what is there to like?Flexmaster_365

a tiny bit more but $20 less per game quicly adds up, over 1 year the extra spend on console games = a new mainstream graphics card. plus you can't run photoshop on your xbox

$20 is nothing when you compare that to constant upgrades.

1 Year speed? Where most 90% of PC's still cant run or play COD4 or Gears, you need to spend $2000 or more.

Why the hell do I care about photoshop? I wanna play games...

Just like your constant console buying right?

:|

Besides a cheap gaming PC can run all games at highest of settings, bar Crysis....... GeOW and COD4 arent even system intensive games.... Surprise surprise really, the 360 is almost comparable to a low end gaming computer.

Yea constant upgrades every 6 months, and only $2000 PC's run COD4 and Gears as smooth as the 360. Plus 90% of PC owners cant even play Halo 2. :lol:

a $700pc 2 upgrades in 3 years cost 250 and still i can play crysis on high settings. and i play halo(there are much better fps outthere). Also i play playstation 1 nintendo 64 sega dreamcast and many arcade games in my pc with emulators like Mame epsxu e.t.c.

Its hard for me to believe as well, but due to the fact that Im not getting those problems with the game after playing it for countless hours I will belive anything, besides it could have been any one of those things or even others.Flexmaster_365

lol shut up and go form a cult istead of generally being depreciative of consoles and everyone who plays them.

btw, you "can't explain" a lot of things. especially why i don't like PC gaming. go home.

EDIT: directed at 1st post and TC.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

"Have you got any other evedince to prove yourself otheriwse?"

Flexmaster_365

Yeah a very possible reasonable doubt that GS may have done something wrong as I have played PDZ for over 100+ hours online and off and the only slow down I have gotten was the occasional lag online which is normal, and mostly due to my slow internet connection. Never have I even see the game drop a frame for a milisecond, and my friends who have played it with me numerous times will agree.

4 video game sites all experienced framerate drops, so they must all be wrong. And you're in a position to say so since you've never played the game? Sounds perfectly logical.RobbieH1234

Too expensive, crap playing environment, hard to set up, usually nerd related, gotta update every second, games crash for no reason, plus much more.

thats why.

r_gam3

$130 grapfics card

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]Its hard for me to believe as well, but due to the fact that Im not getting those problems with the game after playing it for countless hours I will belive anything, besides it could have been any one of those things or even others.Vandalvideo

Your points are null and void, GS never said where and when they got those FPS drops and we dont know what their gaming environment looks like. It is very possible that they may have done something wrong or something was wrong with their set up.

For me its without a doubt as I have the game and I have played through it several times and Inever got a single spike in the frame rate.

Also the same way I cant prove that GS did something wrong to you guys, you cant prove to me that they did everything right so there certainly is doubt, in fact pretty big doubt.

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

"Have you got any other evedince to prove yourself otheriwse?"

skrat_01

Yeah a very possible reasonable doubt that GS may have done something wrong as I have played PDZ for over 100+ hours online and off and the only slow down I have gotten was the occasional lag online which is normal, and mostly due to my slow internet connection. Never have I even see the game drop a frame for a milisecond, and my friends who have played it with me numerous times will agree.

4 video game sites all experienced framerate drops, so they must all be wrong. And you're in a position to say so since you've never played the game? Sounds perfectly logical.RobbieH1234

Wrong GS is the only credible site that you have listed for PDZ and I trust my eyes more than what is written, and there is reasonable doubt that GS may have done something wrong. Sure you may not believe me but you cant prove it wrong 100% either, because the possibility is definetely there.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

"Have you got any other evedince to prove yourself otheriwse?"

Flexmaster_365

Yeah a very possible reasonable doubt that GS may have done something wrong as I have played PDZ for over 100+ hours online and off and the only slow down I have gotten was the occasional lag online which is normal, and mostly due to my slow internet connection. Never have I even see the game drop a frame for a milisecond, and my friends who have played it with me numerous times will agree.

4 video game sites all experienced framerate drops, so they must all be wrong. And you're in a position to say so since you've never played the game? Sounds perfectly logical.RobbieH1234

Wrong GS is the only credible site that you have listed for PDZ and I trust my eyes more than what is written, and there is reasonable doubt that GS may have done something wrong. Sure you may not believe me but you cant prove it wrong 100% either, because the possibility is definetely there.

Your otherstatements of your 'eyes' were proven false, as is this one.

You have nothing to prove by otherwise - exept your own word - which is already completely shattered and as this thread proves, right now counts for squat.

You proved yourself that not even your own eyes are trustworthy and must be deceiving you already.

Your otherstatements of your 'eyes' were proven false, as is this one.

You have nothing to prove by otherwise - exept your own word - which is already completely shattered and as this thread proves, right now counts for squat.

skrat_01

Ok now you are saying my eyes are wrong. :lol:

I trust my eyes more than whats written on internet pages.

And I dont care if you believe me or not, I am right, I may not be able to convince you but I am right as I have the game and I have played it and seen it, and I have also proven that you cant prove me 100% wrong, sure you can post that GS said this and that but as much as you believe them which I do as well its far from 100%, and theres a very plausible chance they are wrong.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

You proved yourself that not even your own eyes are trustworthy and must be deceiving you already.

Your otherstatements of your 'eyes' were proven false, as is this one.

You have nothing to prove by otherwise - exept your own word - which is already completely shattered and as this thread proves, right now counts for squat.

Flexmaster_365

Ok now you are saying my eyes are wrong. :lol:

I trust my eyes more than whats written on internet pages.

And I dont care if you believe me or not, I am right, I may not be able to convince you but I am right as I have the game and I have played it and seen it, and I have also proven that you cant prove me 100% wrong, sure you can post that GS said this and that but as much as you believe them which I do as well its far from 100%, and theres a very plausible chance they are wrong.

And you have no way to prove it.

Wheras I do, thanks to gamespot - whose very forums you are gracing.

All your jargon has just been a:

/Thread

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]

Ok now you are saying my eyes are wrong. :lol:

I trust my eyes more than whats written on internet pages.

And I dont care if you believe me or not, I am right, I may not be able to convince you but I am right as I have the game and I have played it and seen it, and I have also proven that you cant prove me 100% wrong, sure you can post that GS said this and that but as much as you believe them which I do as well its far from 100%, and theres a very plausible chance they are wrong.

skrat_01

And you have no way to prove it.

Wheras I do, thanks to gamespot - whose very forums you are gracing.

All your jargon has just been a:

Wrong GS doesent disprove what I see, far from it as we have proved just now. You have no way of not only proving me wrong but also proving that GS is 100% accurate.

So its actually You=Phail

/Thread

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]

Ok now you are saying my eyes are wrong. :lol:

I trust my eyes more than whats written on internet pages.

And I dont care if you believe me or not, I am right, I may not be able to convince you but I am right as I have the game and I have played it and seen it, and I have also proven that you cant prove me 100% wrong, sure you can post that GS said this and that but as much as you believe them which I do as well its far from 100%, and theres a very plausible chance they are wrong.

Flexmaster_365

And you have no way to prove it.

Wheras I do, thanks to gamespot - whose very forums you are gracing.

All your jargon has just been a:

Wrong GS doesent disprove what I see, far from it as we have proved just now. You have no way of not only proving me wrong but also proving that GS is 100% accurate.

So its actually You=Phail

/Thread

You are also immature?

And you cant find another image to compliment your own comment?

Perfect Dark Zero from the Gamespot review

"You might also see the game's frame rate take a dive during particularly hairy multiplayer shoot-outs, though this also happens on occasion in the mission mode."

yes they do.

You have proved yourself wrong again.

This is just getting embarassing.

Why dont you go and play elsewhere, as there is no point even arguing against you anymore. You are doing all your own work for me. Whats the point trying.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]Its hard for me to believe as well, but due to the fact that Im not getting those problems with the game after playing it for countless hours I will belive anything, besides it could have been any one of those things or even others.Flexmaster_365

Your points are null and void, GS never said where and when they got those FPS drops and we dont know what their gaming environment looks like. It is very possible that they may have done something wrong or something was wrong with their set up.

For me its without a doubt as I have the game and I have played through it several times and Inever got a single spike in the frame rate.

Also the same way I cant prove that GS did something wrong to you guys, you cant prove to me that they did everything right so there certainly is doubt, in fact pretty big doubt.

You are also immature?

And you cant find another image to compliment your own comment?

Perfect Dark Zero from the Gamespot review

"You might also see the game's frame rate take a dive during particularly hairy multiplayer shoot-outs, though this also happens on occasion in the mission mode."

yes they do.

You have proved yourself wrong again.

This is just getting embarassing.

Why dont you go and play elsewhere, as there is no point even arguing against you anymore. You are doing all your own work for me. Whats the point trying.

skrat_01

Quiet the opposite you are doing the work for me, looking for links and text that disprove my statements which you obviously cant. Dont you see that GS doesent even say where exactly the frame rate dips in the single player, that is very strange that they dont give you a specific part, especialy since I have never seen that fram rate drop that they speak of. As I said theres no way to prove that they are 100% right, to me they are 100% wrong obviously, but there is just no way that you can say that they are 100% right. Obviouly theres a reasonable chance that they may have done something wrong. I never se this frame rate drop as well as my friends.

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]Its hard for me to believe as well, but due to the fact that Im not getting those problems with the game after playing it for countless hours I will belive anything, besides it could have been any one of those things or even others.Vandalvideo

Your points are null and void, GS never said where and when they got those FPS drops and we dont know what their gaming environment looks like. It is very possible that they may have done something wrong or something was wrong with their set up.

For me its without a doubt as I have the game and I have played through it several times and Inever got a single spike in the frame rate.

Also the same way I cant prove that GS did something wrong to you guys, you cant prove to me that they did everything right so there certainly is doubt, in fact pretty big doubt.

And as I said you have no way of proving that they are 100% correct either as they leave a lot of things out, obviously if we cant prove them wrong or right they cant be used as a source, which means the only way to tell is to play the game, and I have owned the game since close to launch and I have never had frame rate drops while playing.

And as I said you have no way of proving that they are 100% correct either as they leave a lot of things out, obviously if we cant prove them wrong or right they cant be used as a source, which means the only way to tell is to play the game, and I have owned the game since close to launch and I have never had frame rate drops while playing.Flexmaster_365

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"]And as I said you have no way of proving that they are 100% correct either as they leave a lot of things out, obviously if we cant prove them wrong or right they cant be used as a source, which means the only way to tell is to play the game, and I have owned the game since close to launch and I have never had frame rate drops while playing.Vandalvideo

Where do you see a video, let me see it.

Obviously GS wins in a credibility contest, however I have proven that they aren't 100% right. Which means neither me or GS can be used as a source, you have to play the game. What Im simply telling however is that I have played it and I havent gotten any FPS drops.

i think there are only 2 reasons people don't enjoy PC gaming:

1) they can't afford it, so knock it whenever they can. age old schoolyard tactic that some people can't outgrow.

2) it's too complicated for them, so they knock it - again, old schoolyard tactic.

there's no logical reason to hate on it or not enjoy it imo. it's a wonderful experience most of the time when compared to console offerings.