How does the PS4 differ from a high-end gaming PC?

Pc might be more powerful on paper but the ps4 is designed for games, by game developers. which is why I believe ps4's architecture is better and more efficient for gaming.

Alienware_fan

[QUOTE="SchnabbleTab"][QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]And you forgot the price $2000 vs $400.

Alienware_fan

You don't even need to go crossfire or sli to get over $2,000. Can easily get there by wanting a solid state hard drive, lots of RAM, etc. Few weeks ago I was messing around at Ibuypower's website and had put together a system over $2,000. It had just 1 AMD 7970 GPU (With all the driver problems and inefficiency of dual cards I see little point in it), a 8350 AMD CPU, two HDDs (One solid state), 32 gigs RAM, etc. Yeah, some of those specs are probably silly but I like I said I was just goofing around. Point is you can get well over $2,000 without dual GPUs. And heck, I could have gotten it a lot more expensive than that if I had chosen one of the uber-expensive CPUs from Intel.

My pc is stronger than the ps4 already. And i think we all saw how bad UE4 looks on PS4.

PS4 will have games worth playing. :P

Less hackers, less pirates, more money for developers.

Less hackers, less pirates, more money for developers.

Mr_BillGates

^more bullshit

PS4 differs by:

 

-less games

-less exclusive

-less gfx

-less performance

-less features

-less gamers

Jankarcop

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

Neckbeards can only compare numbers. the bigger the better. stupid.

Alienware_fan

^stupid

Faster than what? And faster how? what are you asking? Got some PS4 benchmarks so I can compare?

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

PS4 differs by:

 

-less games

-less exclusive

-less gfx

-less performance

-less features

-less gamers

Alienware_fan

the PS4 costs $2000!:o bad move on sony's part!

Too bad most devs don't care about PC's extra power.

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

^stupid

lostrib

Faster than what? And faster how? what are you asking? Got some PS4 benchmarks so I can compare?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]so how many TIMES faster is your pc ?

Alienware_fan

Faster than what? And faster how? what are you asking? Got some PS4 benchmarks so I can compare?

Using...?

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

PS4 differs by:

 

-less games

-less exclusive

-less gfx

-less performance

-less features

-less gamers

Alienware_fan

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

PS4 differs by:

 

-less games

-less exclusive

-less gfx

-less performance

-less features

-less gamers

SchnabbleTab

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Faster than what? And faster how? what are you asking? Got some PS4 benchmarks so I can compare?

lostrib

Using...?

[QUOTE="SchnabbleTab"][QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]And you forgot the price $2000 vs $400.

Alienware_fan

Well you are

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]start counting flops.

Alienware_fan

Using...?

Yeah, I don't think that would work

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Using...?

lostrib

Yeah, I don't think that would work

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]Calculator, if you need one.

Alienware_fan

Yeah, I don't think that would work

Should I really care?

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Yeah, I don't think that would work

lostrib

Should I really care?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]do you even know the total flops of your pc?

Alienware_fan

Should I really care?

I would imagine so

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Should I really care?

lostrib

I would imagine so

]Is it more than 1.84 teraflops?

Alienware_fan

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]Is it more than 1.84 teraflops?

Alienware_fan

I would imagine so

How should I know, you wont tell me what benchmark to use

All I know is Ps4 will do things pc will have never dreamed of doing graphics wise. 

All I know is Ps4 will do things pc will have never dreamed of doing graphics wise. 

slipknot0129

how do you know this?

Also money. With more money next gen will make Crysis 3 max graphics on pc look like a Ps1 game compared to a Ps4 game. 

"So if it were PC only, could we have done more things? Certainly, yes. Could we have afforded a budget to make a game like Crysis 3 PC only? No"

slipknot0129

Lower budget does not mean less graphics.

Crysis 1 was made a PC exclusive for years, it did well and was also the best looking game for years.

The only reason game budgets will get larger is because companies waste to much money.

Heck they could hire me and I could save them millions while still bringing out the same quality experience.

A next gen budget shouldn't be more than 10-20 million if you know how to use the money wisely, 25-30 mil is pushing it....

Most devs start with high quality assets like million poly models then get them down to a much smaller size.

A lot of the money is wasted on advertising as well which could be done much cheaper and have the same effect.

Publishers throw money at devs because they can and they expect Call of Duty sales numbers.

PC is powerful and ps4 is weak sauce?Tessellation

Prices are cheap on current cards (GTX 660SC which is basically a 7870 can be found for $180), theres alot of future cards coming out soon (GTX 700/ati 8000, GTX 800 in Mid 2014), and the ps4 is using PC architecture so Hermits might actually be in a good position this generation

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Until they can start playing games at full 1080p with steady a 60FPS, then we should discuss it.

There was even stuttering in the UE4 tech demo

krisroe_213

[QUOTE="krisroe_213"]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Until they can start playing games at full 1080p with steady a 60FPS, then we should discuss it.

There was even stuttering in the UE4 tech demo

mitu123

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

All I know is Ps4 will do things pc will have never dreamed of doing graphics wise. 

lostrib

how do you know this?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

All I know is Ps4 will do things pc will have never dreamed of doing graphics wise. 

04dcarraher

how do you know this?

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

how do you know this?

lostrib

It is a custom design, with fast unified ram

Essentially can be like 10x faster than the best PC out there, since it removes any huge PC bottlenecks

It is like xbox 360 could run Witcher 2 with next gen lighting, when 2000$ PCs in 2011 could only run it with last gen lighting

The power of customized hardware destroy the normal PC hardware easilly

Maybe in 2020 PC will strong enought to overcome PS4 by raw power alone, but not before

That is why Agnis and Deep Down look like CGI and the best looking PC games looks like a bad joke comparing

It is a custom design, with fast unified ram

Essentially can be like 10x faster than the best PC out there, since it removes any huge PC bottlenecks

It is like xbox 360 could run Witcher 2 with next gen lighting, when 2000$ PCs in 2011 could only run it with last gen lighting

The power of customized hardware destroy the normal PC hardware easilly

Maybe in 2020 PC will strong enought to overcome PS4 by raw power alone, but not before

That is why Agnis and Deep Down look like CGI and the best looking PC games looks like a bad joke comparing

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

PS4 differs by:

 

-less games

-less exclusive

-less gfx

-less performance

-less features

-less gamers

Alienware_fan

Yeah but I didn't feel like adding gross exaggerations/lies.

Problem plebian?

And I care litttle about the specs of a console, but it's games. 

super600

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

how do you know this?

lostrib

"So if it were PC only, could we have done more things? Certainly, yes. Could we have afforded a budget to make a game like Crysis 3 PC only? No"

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]Also money. With more money next gen will make Crysis 3 max graphics on pc look like a Ps1 game compared to a Ps4 game.

"So if it were PC only, could we have done more things? Certainly, yes. Could we have afforded a budget to make a game like Crysis 3 PC only? No"

MK-Professor

just to point out that a HD7850 will perform very similar to ps4 in all next gen games.

PS4's 18 CUs GCN (1.84 TFLOPs) would fall between normal 7850 and 7850 1Ghz OC(1).

1. http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/his_radeon_hd_7850_iceqx_turbox_review,1.html

7850 @900 Mhz has 1.84 TFLOPs e.g. MSI R7850 TWIN FROZR 2GB OC @900Mhz.

If PS4's GCN is clocked at 800Mhz, then it's 32 ROPs (and related TMUs) would be clocked at 800mhz which is slower than 7850's 860Mhz 32 ROPs (and related TMUs).

I prefer 7850 16 CUs @ 1Ghz over 7850 18 CU @ 800Mhz i.e. must get 32 ROPs bottleneck to atleast 1Ghz.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] From his dreams.... I like to know how a low clocked 8 core based laptop cpu and a mid tier based gpu is going to do things that pc have never dreamed of doing.... Oslipknot0129

"So if it were PC only, could we have done more things? Certainly, yes. Could we have afforded a budget to make a game like Crysis 3 PC only? No"

Why is there more money? And there is pretty much no way there will such a significant graphical leap

Also money. With more money next gen will make Crysis 3 max graphics on pc look like a Ps1 game compared to a Ps4 game. 

"So if it were PC only, could we have done more things? Certainly, yes. Could we have afforded a budget to make a game like Crysis 3 PC only? No"

slipknot0129

just to point out that a HD7850 will perform very similar to ps4 in all next gen games.

It is a custom design, with fast unified ram

Essentially can be like 10x faster than the best PC out there, since it removes any huge PC bottlenecks

It is like xbox 360 could run Witcher 2 with next gen lighting, when 2000$ PCs in 2011 could only run it with last gen lighting

The power of customized hardware destroy the normal PC hardware easilly

Maybe in 2020 PC will strong enought to overcome PS4 by raw power alone, but not before

That is why Agnis and Deep Down look like CGI and the best looking PC games looks like a bad joke comparing

loosingENDS

It's "semi-custom" as stated by AMD's CEO.

Nice marketing brochure.

Despite all that power of GDDR5,

Killzone 3 demo ran at 30 fps

Thief 4 will be locked at 30 fps.

Batfield 4 will be 720p

Unreal 4 Engine ran perfectly on GTX680 and struggling on PS4.

Dark Souls 2 is developed on PC, 60fps on PC and 30fps on consoles.

Optimization MY ASS :lol:

When the cows see that PS4 doesn´t perform better, they will speculate about  a hidden power of GDDR5 and that someday it will be unlocked :P

While we, bloody hermits, will keep playing games at 1080p and 60 fps.

Thank you, Sony.

It has the power of a mid range PC but unified. Optimizing on PS4 will be even better than the crazy hard PS3. So PC gamers can buy their current high end GPU's, but you ain't getting better graphics on multiplats, unless you use a mod or something. Also devs have been hitting a graphical/budget wall since 2007, so graphics aren't gonna get that much better than the top looking games of today. At the end the graphics kings will be the big budget PS3 exclusives from the wizards at Naughty Dog, Guerilla, Quantic Dreams, Santa Monica....

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]Also money. With more money next gen will make Crysis 3 max graphics on pc look like a Ps1 game compared to a Ps4 game. 

"So if it were PC only, could we have done more things? Certainly, yes. Could we have afforded a budget to make a game like Crysis 3 PC only? No"

MK-Professor

just to point out that a HD7850 will perform very similar to ps4 in all next gen games.

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You joking....right? lol

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]Also money. With more money next gen will make Crysis 3 max graphics on pc look like a Ps1 game compared to a Ps4 game.

"So if it were PC only, could we have done more things? Certainly, yes. Could we have afforded a budget to make a game like Crysis 3 PC only? No"

KillzoneSnake

just to point out that a HD7850 will perform very similar to ps4 in all next gen games.

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You joking....right? lol