How does the PS4 differ from a high-end gaming PC?
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That's why you hype the Wii U right?... the games.And I care litttle about the specs of a console, but it's games.Â
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] People a lot smarter than a no name hermit have said otherwise about optimization like Carmack and Lottes.And like I posted above,next gen engines run low even on pc.Crysis 3 for instance can't even hit 60fps on a $1000 titan at very high.. lol.killzowned24:lol: optimization also includes using lower quality assets and fewer to none at all in some instants. Whats funny is that consolites dont even understand what Carmack is talking about and the fact he never goes into detail why and how optimization works... Also whats funny is that the titan with Crysis 3 runs at 55 fps+ is running settings and assets(MAX settings) that the PS4 would choke on. fact is that the PS4's gpu wouldnt even get 25 fps at the same settings. It was a direct comparison .
Lottes says: If PS4 has a real-time OS, with a libGCM style low level access to the GPU, then the PS4 1st party games will be years ahead of the PC simply because it opens up what is possible on the GPU. Note this wont happen right away on launch, but once developers tool up for the platform, this will be the case. As a PC guy who knows hardware to the metal, I spend most of my days in frustration knowing damn well what I could do with the hardware, but what I cannot do because Microsoft and IHVs wont provide low-level GPU access in PC APIs. One simple example, drawcalls on PC have easily 10x to 100x the overhead of a console with a libGCM style API. You prove my point exactly..... You have no idea the what and the why. Also how can you explain with Crysis 2 running on a x1950 with similar settings and performance as the 360? Yet the 360 is suppose to get 2x the performance? also whats funny is that the next set of consoles are running x86 based hardware with pc gpu architecture which means the "low level coding" will mean squat this time around since we are not using direct x 9 based standards, but using direct x 11 which with its native multithreaded nature makes all those old statements void. Also even with the slight overhead its all handled by the cpu which means that as long as you have a stronger cpu then consoles you will just fine. Which will not take much more then a Phenom 2 X4 3+ghz. Also AMD is introducing HSA coding with the consoles along with Pc's.[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] It was a direct comparison .You prove my point exactly..... You have no idea the what and the why. Also how can you explain with Crysis 2 running on a x1950 with similar settings and performance as the 360? Yet the 360 is suppose to get 2x the performance? also whats funny is that the next set of consoles are running x86 based hardware with pc gpu architecture which means the "low level coding" will mean squat this time around since we are not using direct x 9 based standards, but using direct x 11 which with its native multithreaded nature makes all those old statements void. Also even with the slight overhead its all handled by the cpu which means that as long as you have a stronger cpu then consoles you will just fine. Which will not take much more then a Phenom 2 X4 3+ghz. Also AMD is introducing HSA coding with the consoles along with Pc's.. crysis 2 is crap on consoles lol,crytek do indeed suck and are only good at brute force. aww in denial? how about comparing mediocre 8600gt's vs consoles which are in the same league and yet the 8600gt performs better while using much higher resolutions.
silly hermit.Nice marketing brochure.
Despite all that power of GDDR5,
Killzone 3 demo ran at 30 fps
Thief 4 will be locked at 30 fps.
Batfield 4 will be 720p
Unreal 4 Engine ran perfectly on GTX680 and struggling on PS4.
Dark Souls 2 is developed on PC, 60fps on PC and 30fps on consoles.
Optimization MY ASS :lol:
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When the cows see that PS4 doesn´t perform better, they will speculate about a hidden power of GDDR5 and that someday it will be unlocked :P
While we, bloody hermits, will keep playing games at 1080p and 60 fps.
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Thank you, Sony.
jhonMalcovich
[QUOTE="killzowned24"]People a lot smarter than a no name hermit have said otherwise about optimization like Carmack and Lottes.And like I posted above,next gen engines run low even on pc.Crysis 3 for instance can't even hit 60fps on a $1000 titan at very high.. lol. :lol: optimization also includes using lower quality assets and fewer to none at all in some instants. Whats funny is that consolites dont even understand what Carmack is talking about and the fact he never goes into detail why and how optimization works... Also whats funny is that the titan with Crysis 3 runs at 55 fps+ is running settings and assets(MAX settings) that the PS4 would choke on. fact is that the PS4's gpu wouldnt even get 25 fps at the same settings. It was a direct comparison .[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]
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Console graphics suck compared ot the PC. Most games have issues staying above 20 FPs on console, nevermind 60+ of PC, and the vast majority are 720p, with outdated lighting and texture effects, 1/100th of the number of particle effects, crappy low rez textues and jaggies dancing with wild abandon.Â
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This magical optomization of yours meant exactly JACK $hit this generation, and it will mean exactly JACK $hit next generation too.
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5 years from now some of you consolite idiots will come out crying that a 7850 from 5 years ago couldn't do "Killzone 6 - more crappy shooter than you can handle", and we PC gamers will all shrugg 'cause we'll all be runnign 9750's that play games with full resolution VR sets and 4K TV's/monitors while you guys are struggling at 720p and 30 FPS, YET AGAIN.
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Not only that, but someone will then pull out a youtube video of some guy runnign a 7850 and playing a game MORE demanding than "killzone 6 - bored to tears again" runnign at 30 FPS once again proving that the magical "optomizationz!!!! GDDR5!!!!!!!*@*@&!" meant absolutely nothing. Just like "teh cellz" mean absolutely nothing this generation.
04dcarraher
Lottes says: If PS4 has a real-time OS, with a libGCM style low level access to the GPU, then the PS4 1st party games will be years ahead of the PC simply because it opens up what is possible on the GPU. Note this wont happen right away on launch, but once developers tool up for the platform, this will be the case. As a PC guy who knows hardware to the metal, I spend most of my days in frustration knowing damn well what I could do with the hardware, but what I cannot do because Microsoft and IHVs wont provide low-level GPU access in PC APIs. One simple example, drawcalls on PC have easily 10x to 100x the overhead of a console with a libGCM style API. [QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] People a lot smarter than a no name hermit have said otherwise about optimization like Carmack and Lottes.And like I posted above,next gen engines run low even on pc.Crysis 3 for instance can't even hit 60fps on a $1000 titan at very high.. lol.:lol: optimization also includes using lower quality assets and fewer to none at all in some instants. Whats funny is that consolites dont even understand what Carmack is talking about and the fact he never goes into detail why and how optimization works... Also whats funny is that the titan with Crysis 3 runs at 55 fps+ is running settings and assets(MAX settings) that the PS4 would choke on. fact is that the PS4's gpu wouldnt even get 25 fps at the same settings. It was a direct comparison .killzowned24
Lottes says: If PS4 has a real-time OS, with a libGCM style low level access to the GPU, then the PS4 1st party games will be years ahead of the PC simply because it opens up what is possible on the GPU. Note this wont happen right away on launch, but once developers tool up for the platform, this will be the case. As a PC guy who knows hardware to the metal, I spend most of my days in frustration knowing damn well what I could do with the hardware, but what I cannot do because Microsoft and IHVs wont provide low-level GPU access in PC APIs. One simple example, drawcalls on PC have easily 10x to 100x the overhead of a console with a libGCM style API.Â
Draw calls are less of an issue on PC now a days thanks to multi-threaded rendering in DX 11, and faster bus speeds in modern hardware. Still consoles are faster in terms of pure draw calls, but that's a slanted view of things, since games are nto purely composed of draw calls. Consoles won't be bottle necked by them, they will be bottle necked by pure texture processing, polygon pushing power fo their limited hardware.
Lottes says: If PS4 has a real-time OS, with a libGCM style low level access to the GPU, then the PS4 1st party games will be years ahead of the PC simply because it opens up what is possible on the GPU. Note this wont happen right away on launch, but once developers tool up for the platform, this will be the case. As a PC guy who knows hardware to the metal, I spend most of my days in frustration knowing damn well what I could do with the hardware, but what I cannot do because Microsoft and IHVs wont provide low-level GPU access in PC APIs. One simple example, drawcalls on PC have easily 10x to 100x the overhead of a console with a libGCM style API. You prove my point exactly..... You have no idea the what and the why. Also how can you explain with Crysis 2 running on a x1950 with similar settings and performance as the 360? Yet the 360 is suppose to get 2x the performance? also whats funny is that the next set of consoles are running x86 based hardware with pc gpu architecture which means the "low level coding" will mean squat this time around since AMD is introducing HSA coding with the consoles along with Pc's. crysis 2 is crap on consoles lol,crytek do indeed suck and are only good at brute force. 
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