How does the PS4 differ from a high-end gaming PC?

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]There is nothing high-end about the PS3. It is good by console standards, but it is mid-range at best.tormentos

uh specs wise, the PS3 would be e-waste 

jesus christ, review your posts before submittinglostrib

[QUOTE="lostrib"]jesus christ, review your posts before submittingtormentos

so people can understand what the hell you're trying to say

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Oh right, let's play @ 30fps and 720p with no AA... I mean it barely takes a hit to move to those settings... oh wait, COD is not even HD on console.tormentos

Tell that to the idiots who port the game poorly. For sure console are very much optimized because dev teams spent 7 years with the same hardware. But they also don't want to spend extra for alot better PC version.

Also, 1080p and +60fps is by far not a small feat. Let's see if console this gen can even support every game @ those settings never mind the rest of AA settings.

Waste so much Powah I can play 2 games at the same time!!!!

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] How does that change anything.? 20 times the power 2 times better looking games = waste of power..tormentos

So I am guessing KZ4 must look 8-9x better than KZ3 or UC3?

Oh so you've seen it finish ?

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

 

So I am guessing KZ4 must look 8-9x better than KZ3 or UC3?

Bebi_vegeta

Oh so you've seen it finish ?

NVIDIA seemed to be quick to answer back to next gen consoles with 5GB GDDR5 700 series video cards.

So...any possible advantage the console might have had (the massive VRAM) is essentially gone :P.

NVIDIA seemed to be quick to answer back to next gen consoles with 5GB GDDR5 700 series video cards.

So...any possible advantage the console might have had (the massive VRAM) is essentially gone :P.

XVision84

The 7850 in the PS4 won't use anything beyond 2gb.. 

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

NVIDIA seemed to be quick to answer back to next gen consoles with 5GB GDDR5 700 series video cards.

So...any possible advantage the console might have had (the massive VRAM) is essentially gone :P.

sSubZerOo

The 7850 in the PS4 won't use anything beyond 2gb.. 

The RAM is shared......so I highly doubt that.

But there's probably something you know that I don't :P.

Excuse my ignorance, but I thought the devs were free to use the RAM wherever they wish.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

 

So I am guessing KZ4 must look 8-9x better than KZ3 or UC3?

Cranler

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="tormentos"] Wait till you see it finish and then we talk how many times better it look.mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] As if Sony would show a portion of the game that has unfinished graphics at the reveal. PC power is never wasted. I'm currently replaying RE 5 at 1080p 4xaa 120fps. I'd rather have RE 5 graphics at 120fps than Crysis 3 graphics at 60fps. Cranler

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Lol this thread.

mitu123

Lol mitu.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Lol this thread.

Michael0134567

Lol mitu.

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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]I love this thread.

mitu123

Lol mitu.

Lol so butthurt he can't spell my name.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Lol mitu.

Michael0134567

Lol so butthurt he can't spell my name.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]Lol Micheal.

mitu123

Lol so butthurt he can't spell my name.

You so silly.

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Lol so butthurt he can't spell my name.

Michael0134567

You so silly.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="mitu123"]Now that's a great use of power!

mitu123

Well that's what it takes to run 3D gaming...

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Lol mitu.

Michael0134567

Lol so butthurt he can't spell my name.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]Lol Micheal.

wasted_wisdom

Lol so butthurt he can't spell my name.

lol bad

let`s c who got this.......me because the ps4 does not have the following,i7 3960x,512 samsung solid state drive,16 x 1600 mem,oh ya my sweet 690gtx dually bummer ..............fap it...........

let`s c who got this.......me because the ps4 does not have the following,i7 3960x,512 samsung solid state drive,16 x 1600 mem,oh ya my sweet 690gtx dually bummer ..............fap it...........

tionmedon

pics or it didn't happen

Well the biggest difference I can think of is that it's a closed system, not an open one.

On PS4 developers, publishers and Sony decides how you play your game and what you play in your game. On PC you can choose lots of control inputs and you can download custom maps and mods next to content provided by the devs/publishers.

PS3 was praised as a high end PC too. I didn't see any community patches for Prince of Persia Trilogy's awful sound problem. So I'm stuck with what the dev/publisher left us with: a broken game. :(

Sounds like a medium PC. Unified memory was already used on the 360, it's nice, but he's acting as if there weren't GPUs out there with 8GB all for its own, this isn't system memory that has to be shared either. The penalty of using PCI-E is pointless if there's no need to access system memory. The only penalty is loading the GPU memory initially but since this can be done asynchronously, it rarely provides a bottleneck. He's basing a lot on CPU/GPU communication, when this can be a null problem since the GPU can be doing many tasks while its local memory pool is being filled. GPUs nowadays have so much internal memory they rarely need to fetch system memory anyways before executing their next instruction. It's nice to get an inside look and it does sound like a nice compromise they made, but they're only cutting corners because it's not a full fledged PC. PCs will stay atop simply by having far more resources.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

NVIDIA seemed to be quick to answer back to next gen consoles with 5GB GDDR5 700 series video cards.

So...any possible advantage the console might have had (the massive VRAM) is essentially gone :P.

sSubZerOo

The 7850 in the PS4 won't use anything beyond 2gb..

There are 7850s with 4 GB of GDDR5 memory and 7970s with 6 GB of GDDR5 memory.

20 times the power 2 times better looking games = waste of power..tormentos

witcher 2 on xbox - 1280x672, low-medium settings, 25-30fps
VS
witcher 2 on my pc - 2560x1440, max settings, 60fps
just massive differences, it look literally hundred times better.

hope someday you will understand this concept...

We did some tests to see how much better it will perform on games, we take a random multiplat, crysis 2.

the main graphics settings of crysis 2

high settings
very high settings
extreme settings
ultra settings

consoles run crysis 2 with 1152x720(1024x720 for ps3) with mostly high settings(lowest setting available settings on pc) and 20-30fps(lets say avg 26fps)

we are going to find how a GTX580 performs compared to consoles in a real scenario, NOT some theoretical power.

A pc with a GTX580 achieves on crysis 2 - 58fps with 1920x1200, extreme settings(+high rez texture pack) (GPU usage around 100%)
now step by step we will continue to lower our settings, resolution, limit the fps to get to console settings.

GTX580 - 1920x1200, extreme settings(+high rez texture pack), 58fps(no lock) (GPU usage around 100%)
GTX580 - 1920x1200, extreme settings(+high rez texture pack), 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 50%)
GTX580 - 1920x1200, high settings, 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 27%)
GTX580 - 1280x720, high settings, 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 14%)
GTX580 - 1024x768, high settings, 26fps(lock) (GPU usage around 10%)

conclusion: at console settings the GPU only uses 10% of its power so we can safely conclude that the GTX580 performs around 10 times better than consoles (also in other games we found similar results).

SamiRDuran

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]Lol Micheal.

wasted_wisdom

Lol so butthurt he can't spell my name.

F*cking idiot.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]Lol it'll take ages to say it though!mitu123

You so silly.

True. :P

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

NVIDIA seemed to be quick to answer back to next gen consoles with 5GB GDDR5 700 series video cards.

So...any possible advantage the console might have had (the massive VRAM) is essentially gone :P.

ronvalencia

The 7850 in the PS4 won't use anything beyond 2gb..

There are 7850s with 4 GB of GDDR5 memory and 7970s with 6 GB of GDDR5 memory.

Both of which are designed for multi-monitor setups and resolutions higher than 1080p. At 1080p, you start to see diminishing returns after the 2-3Gb of VRAM mark. 

I can buy a high-end gaming PC now. Can't say the same about the PS4.

I can buy a high-end gaming PC now. Can't say the same about the PS4.

nunovlopes

I think it's funny how when they talk about the PS4 it's like they have it right now.  :lol:

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

I can buy a high-end gaming PC now. Can't say the same about the PS4.

menes777

I think it's funny how when they talk about the PS4 it's like they have it right now.  :lol:

Yeah

I mean how pathetic are you when you have to use future games as ownage :lol:

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

I can buy a high-end gaming PC now. Can't say the same about the PS4.

nunovlopes

I think it's funny how when they talk about the PS4 it's like they have it right now.  :lol:

Yeah

I mean how pathetic are you when you have to use future games as ownage :lol:

Yeah, and it doesn't help that their holy grail is a ***ing Killzone game, and we all know how crappy that game will end up. 

consoles are not PCs.  This is obvious. But no ammount of optimization will save a console from being left behind by PC.  Considering how this new generation of consoles are already starting off behind PC and not on par or ahead of PC like in the past, the gap will be even bigger than in the past.

PS4 is better. It's a closed loop system with PC-like architecture which makes it optimised for gaming. PCs are open ended and run all kinds of background programs in addition. PS4 allows you to pause your game and pick right back up where you left off without restarting the system. The PS4 does on-screen multiplayer which PC does not. PS4 you know plays every game made for it. With PCs you have to look at the game box every time and make sure your PC specs will run the game. PC fans talk about being able to build a greater PC than a PS4, but who really cares to have to do all that? Maybe hardcore PC nerds? All others would rather just buy a PS4 with no hassle and is built for gaming. 

PS4 is better. It's a closed loop system with PC-like architecture which makes it optimised for gaming. PCs are open ended and run all kinds of background programs in addition. PS4 allows you to pause your game and pick right back up where you left off without restarting the system. The PS4 does on-screen multiplayer which PC does not. PS4 you know plays every game made for it. With PCs you have to look at the game box every time and make sure your PC specs will run the game. PC fans talk about being able to build a greater PC than a PS4, but who really cares to have to do all that? Maybe hardcore PC nerds? All others would rather just buy a PS4 with no hassle and is built for gaming. 

clr84651

Bu bu but the optimizashun!  Yes because I have to turn off my PC whenever I am doing something else... :lol:

LOL WTF is "on-screen multiplayer"?  Do you mean split screen because every game is on screen.  :lol:

BTW where is this split screen game you are talking about for the PS4?  Have any examples or did you just pull that out of your a$$?  

Yeah I figure you aren't being seriuos though, just trolling, no one could be this ignorant.

PS4 is better. It's a closed loop system with PC-like architecture which makes it optimised for gaming. PCs are open ended and run all kinds of background programs in addition. PS4 allows you to pause your game and pick right back up where you left off without restarting the system. The PS4 does on-screen multiplayer which PC does not. PS4 you know plays every game made for it. With PCs you have to look at the game box every time and make sure your PC specs will run the game. PC fans talk about being able to build a greater PC than a PS4, but who really cares to have to do all that? Maybe hardcore PC nerds? All others would rather just buy a PS4 with no hassle and is built for gaming. 

clr84651

Why do you think it's running multiple programs in the back round ? Oh maybe because it's ready to multiple things at the same time if needed ?

You're point about pausing the PS4 is nothing new for PC... I don't get the boost off of that one.

PC does on-screen multiplayer were games allowe it... it's not a restriction on the PC itself.

I know I can play every game without looking at the box.

I care to build my PC to my needs.

Hardcore nerds... are you trying to insult people?

Good for you and all the others, I can buy a PC and PS4 if wanted... Seems you can't build a PC though.

PS4 is better. It's a closed loop system with PC-like architecture which makes it optimised for gaming. PCs are open ended and run all kinds of background programs in addition. PS4 allows you to pause your game and pick right back up where you left off without restarting the system. The PS4 does on-screen multiplayer which PC does not. PS4 you know plays every game made for it. With PCs you have to look at the game box every time and make sure your PC specs will run the game. PC fans talk about being able to build a greater PC than a PS4, but who really cares to have to do all that? Maybe hardcore PC nerds? All others would rather just buy a PS4 with no hassle and is built for gaming. 

clr84651

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] A high end pc's power gets used one way or another on any game within the last 5 or so years.Bebi_vegeta

Well that's what it takes to run 3D gaming...

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

The 7850 in the PS4 won't use anything beyond 2gb..

cfisher2833

There are 7850s with 4 GB of GDDR5 memory and 7970s with 6 GB of GDDR5 memory.

Both of which are designed for multi-monitor setups and resolutions higher than 1080p. At 1080p, you start to see diminishing returns after the 2-3Gb of VRAM mark.

Current PC game titles with enhance texture packs was design to be around 2 to 3 GB. Current PC pro 3D desktop app can use more than 3 GB of VRAM i.e. GCN has PRT (Partially Resident Textures) feature for very large textures that exceeds the installed VRAM

http://renderingpipeline.com/2012/03/partially-resident-textures/

How does the PS4 differ from a high-end gaming PC?


The answer is the ps4 is going to cost around $399/$499 and a high end gaming pc costs anywhere from $800+ to build next......

How does the PS4 differ from a high-end gaming PC?


The answer is the ps4 is going to cost around $399/$499 and a high end gaming pc costs anywhere from $800+ to build next......

bezza2011

It's already cheaper than 800USD to build a PC that will perform similar to consoles.

By the time the PS4 comes out it will be even cheaper.

And when the newest GPU designs come out next year a comparable GPU to the PS4 will be a low end one.

Who's that girl in wasted_wisdom's sig?

My fap time is waiting.

[QUOTE="bezza2011"]

How does the PS4 differ from a high-end gaming PC?


The answer is the ps4 is going to cost around $399/$499 and a high end gaming pc costs anywhere from $800+ to build next......

RyviusARC

It's already cheaper than 800USD to build a PC that will perform similar to consoles.

By the time the PS4 comes out it will be even cheaper.

And when the newest GPU designs come out next year a comparable GPU to the PS4 will be a low end one.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU:AMD FX-6100 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Microcenter)

Motherboard:ECS A960M-M3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($41.99 @ Amazon)

Memory:Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.98 @ NCIX US)

Storage:Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ Outlet PC)

Video Card:PowerColor Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($235.66 @ Newegg)

Case:Diablotek CPA-7620 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Microcenter)

Power Supply:CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($33.98 @ Newegg)

Optical Drive:Pioneer BDC-207DBK Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($37.98 @ Outlet PC)

Total: $582.55 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-30 07:21 EDT-0400)

PS4 is better. It's a closed loop system with PC-like architecture which makes it optimised for gaming. PCs are open ended and run all kinds of background programs in addition. PS4 allows you to pause your game and pick right back up where you left off without restarting the system. The PS4 does on-screen multiplayer which PC does not. PS4 you know plays every game made for it. With PCs you have to look at the game box every time and make sure your PC specs will run the game. PC fans talk about being able to build a greater PC than a PS4, but who really cares to have to do all that? Maybe hardcore PC nerds? All others would rather just buy a PS4 with no hassle and is built for gaming.

clr84651

Emmm,

1. My Windows task manager's CPU usage is around 0 to 3 precent...

2. PC has Hibernate feature.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

[QUOTE="bezza2011"]

How does the PS4 differ from a high-end gaming PC?


The answer is the ps4 is going to cost around $399/$499 and a high end gaming pc costs anywhere from $800+ to build next......

ronvalencia

It's already cheaper than 800USD to build a PC that will perform similar to consoles.

By the time the PS4 comes out it will be even cheaper.

And when the newest GPU designs come out next year a comparable GPU to the PS4 will be a low end one.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU:AMD FX-6100 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Microcenter)

Motherboard:ECS A960M-M3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($41.99 @ Amazon)

Memory:Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.98 @ NCIX US)

Storage:Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ Outlet PC)

Video Card:PowerColor Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($235.66 @ Newegg)

Case:Diablotek CPA-7620 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Microcenter)

Power Supply:CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($33.98 @ Newegg)

Optical Drive:Pioneer BDC-207DBK Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($37.98 @ Outlet PC)

Total: $582.55 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-30 07:21 EDT-0400)

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