I hate to say it but I give credit to MS and 360

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

To those thinking I'm being sarcastic in any way, shape or form I promise you that I'm being totally serious, this is all serious business to me. Any company that seeks third party exclusives deserves to lose, and lose hard. Also shame on these third party publishers giving special treatment to platforms, especially the Xbox 360. How am I supposed to play a Japanese game on an American console, better yet, why would I want to?

First of all, the controller isn't built for either a turn-based or action oriented RPG, it's only good for shooters of the generic persuasion. Second, Japanese software and American hardware don't mix, it's just too odd and after all these years all real RPG fans have become attached to the superior mix of Japanese hardware & Japanese software. Even if the software isn't there yet, just the idea of it being there is satisfying.

Think about it, a Japanese game on an American console? Just thinking about it sends a shiver down my spine, truely this is heresy and the beginning of the end of the game industry.

The_Game21x

It's no wonder I thought your post was a joke because your followup has to be the most ridiculous bunch of xenophobic garbage I've seen in quite a long time.

Sony has been seeking third party exclusives since it entered the business, and quite frankly, they wouldn't be alive in this business without them. The fact of the matter is, every hardware maker in the industry actively seeks them out. Without them, our consoles would be nigh indistinguishable. Without the third party exclusive muscle in the form of Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, Tekken, GTA, and many more I don't feel like listing, Sony would've died out faster than you can say Dreamcast. Third party exclusives are what drive the industry.

To reinforce this point. Name to me the most popular PS3 games hitting the console in the near future. Oh wait, you don't have to, because I'll do it for you. Metal Gear Solid 4, Metal Gear Solid 4, and...oh yeah, Metal Gear Solid 4. Konami and Kojima Productions are third party developers are they not? A bit further down the line we have Final Fantasy XIII, Versus XIII, White Knight Story and Little Big Planet. All big name, far hyped third party exclusives. Don't come to me and say developers haven't been giving special treatment to Sony for years now since you'd be speaking lies of the highest order.

Superior combination of Japanese Hardware and software. Please. I guess Western developers should just publish all their games on the Xbox 360 then, since it's an american console. Well, I guess that means no Killzone 2, Resistance 2, and Grand Theft Auto 5, Bioshock for you! What a pity.

Real RPG fans, right. If the gamer you describe isthe definition of a "Real RPG fan" then I want no part of it. I'll continue to support the japanese development community in their efforts and continue to laugh at all these hardcore Otaku types who can't stand to see their Japanese games be "defiled" by being developed on an American console. Heh. Cry me a river. :wink:

Serve, Set, Match!

Great post man.

Also I would like to put, that the N64 had to suffer from a huge drought of RPG's. The PS3 is suffering the same but there are titles that help for the lost. What was the best n64 title? IMO it was OoT and in the PS3's case its MGS4.

Sony does not seek exclusives, exclusives seek Sony.BreakingPoint8

Sony does not seek exclusives, exclusives seek Sony.BreakingPoint8

Please tell me how that works?

To those thinking I'm being sarcastic in any way, shape or form I promise you that I'm being totally serious, this is all serious business to me. Any company that seeks third party exclusives deserves to lose, and lose hard. Also shame on these third party publishers giving special treatment to platforms, especially the Xbox 360. How am I supposed to play a Japanese game on an American console, better yet, why would I want to?

First of all, the controller isn't built for either a turn-based or action oriented RPG, it's only good for shooters of the generic persuasion. Second, Japanese software and American hardware don't mix, it's just too odd and after all these years all real RPG fans have become attached to the superior mix of Japanese hardware & Japanese software. Even if the software isn't there yet, just the idea of it being there is satisfying.

Think about it, a Japanese game on an American console? Just thinking about it sends a shiver down my spine, truely this is heresy and the beginning of the end of the game industry.

BreakingPoint8

Because you aren't being flagrantly racist or anything.:roll:

Sony does not seek exclusives, exclusives seek Sony.BreakingPoint8

Well now, they're seeking Microsoft. :wink:

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Sony does not seek exclusives, exclusives seek Sony.The_Game21x

Well now, they're seeking Microsoft. :wink:

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Sony does not seek exclusives, exclusives seek Sony.FireEmblem_Man

Please tell me how that works?

If I want a exclusive 360 game I just wait for it come out on the PC. As for PS3 exclusives the only way to play these games is on a PS3, exclusives on the PS systems are true exclusives.jimm895

Mass effect and Gears of War. That's it. Sit down.

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Sony does not seek exclusives, exclusives seek Sony.BreakingPoint8

Please tell me how that works?

If you don't know then why state it? Your comments are most mentioned because you believe that Microsoft is ruining the RPG genre and game with no proof. If you're being sarcastic with your post then admit it because you post like you were actually serious about it.

These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales is usually higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.X_CAPCOM_X

They're developed by tri-Ace, who always use their own SDK. Also the Crystal Engine that Square Enix developed was designed for the Xbox 360 as well, and the new MMORPG will be running on it.

You don't even know about Square Enix saying that they'd support all platforms this generation and not give any an unfair advantage? That they wanted to expand more in the West since Japan isn't enough for them?

How about the fact that Star Ocean 4 was probably started on Xbox 360 because tri-Ace was already developing Infinite Undiscovery before Star Ocean 4 development began, Square Enix came in after wards, though Microsoft still own the IP to Infinite Undiscovery. Although I believe it's now a shared IP, which probably contributed to Star Ocean coming to the Xbox 360.

Am I the only one that realized that BreakingPoint8 was being sarcastic this whole time?Tragic_Kingdom7

I suspected it from the start, but that second post threw me.

I guess I'm a bit too jaded in that respect. I've seen so many honest posts along those lines that the lines between sarcasm and brutal honesty are blurred.

[QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales is usually higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.BreakingPoint8

They're developed by tri-Ace, who always use their own SDK. Also the Crystal Engine that Square Enix developed was designed for the Xbox 360 as well, and the new MMORPG will be running on it.

[QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales is usually higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.BreakingPoint8

They're developed by tri-Ace, who always use their own SDK. Also the Crystal Engine that Square Enix developed was designed for the Xbox 360 as well, and the new MMORPG will be running on it.

You don't even know about Square Enix saying that they'd support all platforms this generation and not give any an unfair advantage? That they wanted to expand more in the West since Japan isn't enough for them?

How about the fact that Star Ocean 4 was probably started on Xbox 360 because tri-Ace was already developing Infinite Undiscovery before it even started, Square Enix came in after wards though Microsoft still own the IP.

ok it in fact started on the Xbox 360 because the tools were available first.

Yamagishi noted that one of the primary reasons for the game being a 360 exclusive was that Microsoft's development platform was available significantly before that of the PS3.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Sony does not seek exclusives, exclusives seek Sony.UnrealSin_X

Well now, they're seeking Microsoft. :wink:

Judging by the software sales I disagree. They sell a decent amount of hardware as well.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Sony does not seek exclusives, exclusives seek Sony.UnrealSin_X

Well now, they're seeking Microsoft. :wink:

These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.X_CAPCOM_X

[QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.too_much_eslim

Neither does 360.

[QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.too_much_eslim

Even Eternal Sonata has been confirmed as japan only on the ps3...

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.dream431ca

Neither does 360.

Except Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata, and Blue Dragon, and others...

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.Andrew_Xavier

Even Eternal Sonata has been confirmed as japan only on the ps3...

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.Andrew_Xavier

Neither does 360.

Except Lost Odyssey, and Blue Dragon, and others...

Umm...Major RPGs.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.dream431ca

Neither does 360.

Umm...Major RPGs.

dream431ca

Over 700k units sold don't = major? Or, are you attempting to have convenient ignorance to prove a false point?

[QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.too_much_eslim

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.Andrew_Xavier

Even Eternal Sonata has been confirmed as japan only on the ps3...

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.too_much_eslim

Even Eternal Sonata has been confirmed as japan only on the ps3...

Yeah likely. You know, it's so strange to say, and think, but jrpg lovers pretty much need to buy an xbox 360 to enjoy games from incredible companys like tri-ace...so strange...

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.X_CAPCOM_X

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.X_CAPCOM_X

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Umm...Major RPGs.

Andrew_Xavier

Over 700k units sold don't = major? Or, are you attempting to have convenient ignorance to prove a false point?

Well, and Major RPG is a RPG that makes a profound impact when it's released. Examples include FFIII, FFVI, Dragon Quest, Suikoden, and others. The 360 has RPG's but none of them could be considered major RPGs.

[QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.DisPimpin

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.Andrew_Xavier

Even Eternal Sonata has been confirmed as japan only on the ps3...

Yeah likely. You know, it's so strange to say, and think, but jrpg lovers pretty much need to buy an xbox 360 to enjoy games from incredible companys like tri-ace...so strange...

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Umm...Major RPGs.

dream431ca

Over 700k units sold don't = major? Or, are you attempting to have convenient ignorance to prove a false point?

Well, and Major RPG is a RPG that makes a profound impact when it's released. Examples include FFIII, FFVI, Dragon Quest, Suikoden, and others. The 360 has RPG's but none of them could be considered major RPGs.

If it has to make a profound impact when it's released, there have been about 3 "major" jrpgs total...

Dragon Quest (First JRPG)

FF VII (Popularized JRPGs around the World)

Shining Force (Popularized SRPGs around the World)

Heck, if a game has to make a profound impact on the World when it's released, there have been under 10 released, total, and no systems this gen have had one.

[QUOTE="DireOwl"]I thought I read somewhere that that was their goal this gen, to gain market-share.DivergeUnify

Sony's goal was obviously to be stuck up enough to think they were still the kings by not having to lift a finger. I still remember somewhere the quote, "This generation doesn't start until we say so."

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Umm...Major RPGs.

Andrew_Xavier

Over 700k units sold don't = major? Or, are you attempting to have convenient ignorance to prove a false point?

Well, and Major RPG is a RPG that makes a profound impact when it's released. Examples include FFIII, FFVI, Dragon Quest, Suikoden, and others. The 360 has RPG's but none of them could be considered major RPGs.

If it has to make a profound impact when it's released, there have been about 3 "major" jrpgs total...

Dragon Quest (First JRPG)

FF VII (Popularized JRPGs around the World)

Shining Force (Popularized SRPGs around the World)

Heck, if a game has to make a profound impact on the World when it's released, there have been under 10 released, total, and no systems this gen have had one.

Correct.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]These games will most likely land on PS3. The sales will suck and the Enix will want their money back unless MS paid them enough to cover the losses. They didn't make the decision based on the install base, because it isn't that much larger, and if they were using mathematical analysis, the gradient of PS3 sales has been recently higher than 360 sales along with the introduction of the "fanbase" variable. An example of fanbase is the fact that DMC4 on PS3 outsold the X360 version, even though the install base was smaller. This is why I conclude that they could not have rationally made the decision to develop exclusively for 360 without pay from MS, and that you can soon expect PS3 versions. They will be gimped, though, due to the MS and Epic developed unreal engine that is designed not to work well with the PS3. If they developed with the white engine, we would have another story.Andrew_Xavier

Neither does 360.

Except Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata, and Blue Dragon, and others...

he said major...

Correct.

dream431ca

None released last gen either...

Your definition of major = earth shattering, I feel there is a HUGE difference between major and revolutionary.

Lost Odyssey is major, Digital Devil Saga is revolutionary, see the difference?

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="DireOwl"]I thought I read somewhere that that was their goal this gen, to gain market-share.WhatTheDunk

Sony's goal was obviously to be stuck up enough to think they were still the kings by not having to lift a finger. I still remember somewhere the quote, "This generation doesn't start until we say so."

I remember that, very smug comment indeed.

he said major...

SambaLele

Is that the new form of damage control? "That game isn't a major title because I say so!"

So like, I could say "No, Sins isn't a great/major game, because I say it isn't, actually, none of the PC AAAE are, so, the PC loses." Awesome, it's like grade 3! :D

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Correct.

Andrew_Xavier

None released last gen either...

Your definition of major = earth shattering, I feel there is a HUGE difference between major and revolutionary.

Lost Odyssey is major, Digital Devil Saga is revolutionary, see the difference?

Lost Odyssey is not a major RPG. What I consider to be a major RPG would be Persona 3. It had a pretty profound impact, and my definition of a major RPG is not "earth shattering". More like a step above the rest. Persona 3 had that feel. Lost Odyssey felt like I was playing a last gen PS2 RPG with better graphics. Infinite Undiscovery seems to be heading the same way as Lost Odyssey did, no real change from last RPGs except for the graphics.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Correct.

dream431ca

None released last gen either...

Your definition of major = earth shattering, I feel there is a HUGE difference between major and revolutionary.

Lost Odyssey is major, Digital Devil Saga is revolutionary, see the difference?

Lost Odyssey is not a major RPG. What I consider to be a major RPG would be Persona 3. It had a pretty profound impact, and my definition of a major RPG is not "earth shattering". More like a step above the rest. Persona 3 had that feel. Lost Odyssey felt like I was playing a last gen PS2 RPG with better graphics.

Hm, I really enjoyed P3 as well, own it an FES.

Anyways, I consider LO a major, it goes against a lot of stereotypes, and the dreams as so well written, they could carry any game.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Correct.

Andrew_Xavier

None released last gen either...

Your definition of major = earth shattering, I feel there is a HUGE difference between major and revolutionary.

Lost Odyssey is major, Digital Devil Saga is revolutionary, see the difference?

Lost Odyssey is not a major RPG. What I consider to be a major RPG would be Persona 3. It had a pretty profound impact, and my definition of a major RPG is not "earth shattering". More like a step above the rest. Persona 3 had that feel. Lost Odyssey felt like I was playing a last gen PS2 RPG with better graphics.

Hm, I really enjoyed P3 as well, own it an FES.

Anyways, I consider LO a major, it goes against a lot of stereotypes, and the dreams as so well written, they could carry any game.

I also own FES. One of the greatest RPGs I have played. Actually, I was kinda sick of RPGs until I played that game :)

To me though, LO felt like a last gen game. Not to much has changed and the feeling was the same as the PS2 RPGs I have played last gen. LO is not a bad game, just not anything I would call major.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Correct.

dream431ca

None released last gen either...

Your definition of major = earth shattering, I feel there is a HUGE difference between major and revolutionary.

Lost Odyssey is major, Digital Devil Saga is revolutionary, see the difference?

Lost Odyssey is not a major RPG. What I consider to be a major RPG would be Persona 3. It had a pretty profound impact, and my definition of a major RPG is not "earth shattering". More like a step above the rest. Persona 3 had that feel. Lost Odyssey felt like I was playing a last gen PS2 RPG with better graphics. Infinite Undiscovery seems to be heading the same way as Lost Odyssey did, no real change from last RPGs except for the graphics.

I also own FES. One of the greatest RPGs I have played. Actually, I was kinda sick of RPGs until I played that game :)

To me though, LO felt like a last gen game. Not to much has changed and the feeling was the same as the PS2 RPGs I have played last gen. LO is not a bad game, just not anything I would call major.

dream431ca

Well, then we'll agree that P3 rules, and we'll agree to disagree on LO :D

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Correct.

dream431ca

None released last gen either...

Your definition of major = earth shattering, I feel there is a HUGE difference between major and revolutionary.

Lost Odyssey is major, Digital Devil Saga is revolutionary, see the difference?

Lost Odyssey is not a major RPG. What I consider to be a major RPG would be Persona 3. It had a pretty profound impact, and my definition of a major RPG is not "earth shattering". More like a step above the rest. Persona 3 had that feel. Lost Odyssey felt like I was playing a last gen PS2 RPG with better graphics.

Hm, I really enjoyed P3 as well, own it an FES.

Anyways, I consider LO a major, it goes against a lot of stereotypes, and the dreams as so well written, they could carry any game.

I also own FES. One of the greatest RPGs I have played. Actually, I was kinda sick of RPGs until I played that game :)

To me though, LO felt like a last gen game. Not to much has changed and the feeling was the same as the PS2 RPGs I have played last gen. LO is not a bad game, just not anything I would call major.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Correct.

dream431ca

None released last gen either...

Your definition of major = earth shattering, I feel there is a HUGE difference between major and revolutionary.

Lost Odyssey is major, Digital Devil Saga is revolutionary, see the difference?

Lost Odyssey is not a major RPG. What I consider to be a major RPG would be Persona 3. It had a pretty profound impact, and my definition of a major RPG is not "earth shattering". More like a step above the rest. Persona 3 had that feel. Lost Odyssey felt like I was playing a last gen PS2 RPG with better graphics. Infinite Undiscovery seems to be heading the same way as Lost Odyssey did, no real change from last RPGs except for the graphics.