I hate to say it but I give credit to MS and 360

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Correct.

too_much_eslim

None released last gen either...

Your definition of major = earth shattering, I feel there is a HUGE difference between major and revolutionary.

Lost Odyssey is major, Digital Devil Saga is revolutionary, see the difference?

Lost Odyssey is not a major RPG. What I consider to be a major RPG would be Persona 3. It had a pretty profound impact, and my definition of a major RPG is not "earth shattering". More like a step above the rest. Persona 3 had that feel. Lost Odyssey felt like I was playing a last gen PS2 RPG with better graphics. Infinite Undiscovery seems to be heading the same way as Lost Odyssey did, no real change from last RPGs except for the graphics.

Didn't one of the Romancing Saga's try something like this and fail horribly? The whole random adventure thing?

Also Persona 3 rules. I've got like 120 hours into the original version and I still haven't beaten Nyx yet.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Correct.

DisPimpin

None released last gen either...

Your definition of major = earth shattering, I feel there is a HUGE difference between major and revolutionary.

Lost Odyssey is major, Digital Devil Saga is revolutionary, see the difference?

Lost Odyssey is not a major RPG. What I consider to be a major RPG would be Persona 3. It had a pretty profound impact, and my definition of a major RPG is not "earth shattering". More like a step above the rest. Persona 3 had that feel. Lost Odyssey felt like I was playing a last gen PS2 RPG with better graphics. Infinite Undiscovery seems to be heading the same way as Lost Odyssey did, no real change from last RPGs except for the graphics.

Tis a shame. People are missing out on a great RPG.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Correct.

mbrockway

None released last gen either...

Your definition of major = earth shattering, I feel there is a HUGE difference between major and revolutionary.

Lost Odyssey is major, Digital Devil Saga is revolutionary, see the difference?

Lost Odyssey is not a major RPG. What I consider to be a major RPG would be Persona 3. It had a pretty profound impact, and my definition of a major RPG is not "earth shattering". More like a step above the rest. Persona 3 had that feel. Lost Odyssey felt like I was playing a last gen PS2 RPG with better graphics. Infinite Undiscovery seems to be heading the same way as Lost Odyssey did, no real change from last RPGs except for the graphics.

Didn't one of the Romancing Saga's try something like this and fail horribly? The whole random adventure thing?

Also Persona 3 rules. I've got like 120 hours into the original version and I still haven't beaten Nyx yet.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Correct.

mbrockway

None released last gen either...

Your definition of major = earth shattering, I feel there is a HUGE difference between major and revolutionary.

Lost Odyssey is major, Digital Devil Saga is revolutionary, see the difference?

Lost Odyssey is not a major RPG. What I consider to be a major RPG would be Persona 3. It had a pretty profound impact, and my definition of a major RPG is not "earth shattering". More like a step above the rest. Persona 3 had that feel. Lost Odyssey felt like I was playing a last gen PS2 RPG with better graphics. Infinite Undiscovery seems to be heading the same way as Lost Odyssey did, no real change from last RPGs except for the graphics.

Didn't one of the Romancing Saga's try something like this and fail horribly? The whole random adventure thing?

Also Persona 3 rules. I've got like 120 hours into the original version and I still haven't beaten Nyx yet.

WOW! I have FES and after the main game, there is the expansion which adds another 30+ hours...my life will be on hold for a while :D

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Correct.

dream431ca

None released last gen either...

Your definition of major = earth shattering, I feel there is a HUGE difference between major and revolutionary.

Lost Odyssey is major, Digital Devil Saga is revolutionary, see the difference?

Lost Odyssey is not a major RPG. What I consider to be a major RPG would be Persona 3. It had a pretty profound impact, and my definition of a major RPG is not "earth shattering". More like a step above the rest. Persona 3 had that feel. Lost Odyssey felt like I was playing a last gen PS2 RPG with better graphics. Infinite Undiscovery seems to be heading the same way as Lost Odyssey did, no real change from last RPGs except for the graphics.

Tis a shame. People are missing out on a great RPG.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Correct.

too_much_eslim

None released last gen either...

Your definition of major = earth shattering, I feel there is a HUGE difference between major and revolutionary.

Lost Odyssey is major, Digital Devil Saga is revolutionary, see the difference?

Lost Odyssey is not a major RPG. What I consider to be a major RPG would be Persona 3. It had a pretty profound impact, and my definition of a major RPG is not "earth shattering". More like a step above the rest. Persona 3 had that feel. Lost Odyssey felt like I was playing a last gen PS2 RPG with better graphics. Infinite Undiscovery seems to be heading the same way as Lost Odyssey did, no real change from last RPGs except for the graphics.

Tis a shame. People are missing out on a great RPG.

You can blame that on marketing. Atlas is not one to market their games very well.

Hmm makes you wonder why a 120 million fanbase can't make Persona a million seller yet people say JRPGs don't and will not sell well on the 360. Yet LO outsold it an many other JRPGs on the PS2.too_much_eslim

It even outsold Dragon Quest VIII: Journey Of The Cursed King, and Tales Of The Abyss, two very hyped titles, well, many others too...I mean DQ VIII sold like 4 mil in Japan, but only like 300k in North America..

hehehe I wish I had a 360 for Lost Odyssey but Ms wont get FFXIII,Mgs4 and GT5 thats the Problem ... If Star Ocean Isn't Ported to the Ps3 though I will buy A 360 :D By the time SO is released, the system will be really cheap and will have a lot of great games.

[quote="dream431ca"]Tis a shame. People are missing out on a great RPG.

Didn't the original version of Persona 3 sell out though? I preordered my copy well before it came out, and I later heard it was tough as heck to find. Hopefully FES sells great, I had it preordered too :P

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]Hmm makes you wonder why a 120 million fanbase can't make Persona a million seller yet people say JRPGs don't and will not sell well on the 360. Yet LO outsold it an many other JRPGs on the PS2.Andrew_Xavier

It even outsold Dragon Quest VIII: Journey Of The Cursed King, and Tales Of The Abyss, two very hyped titles, well, many others too...I mean DQ VIII sold like 4 mil in Japan, but only like 300k in North America..

Interesting figures.

[quote="dream431ca"]Tis a shame. People are missing out on a great RPG.mbrockway

Didn't the original version of Persona 3 sell out though? I preordered my copy well before it came out, and I later heard it was tough as heck to find. Hopefully FES sells great, I had it preordered too :P

Yeah it did sell out. But I am a little angry at Atlus(and Sony) for not releasing Persona 4 on the ps3, or at least they could do the LoZ:TP-trick and release it both on ps2 and ps3 at the same time. Sony need titles like this on their new console to make the shift from ps2 to ps3 worth it, instead games like Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 are some of the biggest exclusives this year and I know that the major userbase did not buy the console with shooters in mind, so they are basically screwing up their "fanbase".

sorry TC your standards are (i hate to say) pathetically low.

MS still charge for everything from wireless controllers to wifi.

MS only upped the graphics, err what about the media storage for games?

the console breaks down half the time.

plus tonnes more inlcuding only shooters as games.

I hate to say it, MS has messed up. Nintendo has upped it way more and then Sony.

sorry TC your standards are (i hate to say) pathetically low.

MS still charge for everything from wireless controllers to wifi.

MS only upped the graphics, err what about the media storage for games?

the console breaks down half the time.

plus tonnes more inlcuding only shooters as games.

I hate to say it, MS has messed up. Nintendo has upped it way more and then Sony.

rgame1

Could you really toss out more generic damage control, most of which has been disproven?

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26428921&msg_id=302255285#302255285

There's a list of games, notice how many more AA+ Non-shooters there are than shooters?

Only 3/10 of the top selling xbox 360 goes are shooters (same as pc and ps3.)

16% =/= half.

Need I go on?

Oh i am sorry, is it that bad to express an opinion? It matters for me because i got used to paying SO on the PS and not the damn Xbox. I hate the 360 controller for jrpg's.UnrealSin_X

OH MAN, thats horrible, i feel so sorry for you, here, cry on my shoulder. Having to play with an x360 controller, you poor thing!

I don't really throw around much praise to either company but I have to admit I have to give credit to MS this gen. They are improving a lot and especially through their games.

Not only do they offer you their exclusives, you get pretty much every multiplat, they have been broadening themselves with JRPGs, and they even give you a taste of the PC titles.

I mean damn it might not be the most amazing thing out their but they are making sure that their audience gets to play a very diverse catalouge of games.

Last gen you wouldn't see the Xbox getting a lot of JRPGs, you wouldn't see it getting every multiplat, you didn't see it getting this much PC titles as well. Now some may say PC multiplats are a weakness because of multiplat status but hey nobody is forcing you to buy them. Fact of the matter is though they are there.

I'll also praise Microsoft for the fact that they are going far out of their way to appeal to an audience that really wants nothing to do with them. I'm talking the JPN market and MS securing JRPGs and such.

I mean its seems they are doing everything right to get good games on their system and it is working. Quite frankly if it wasn't for RROD and maybe a $50 a year XBL service its getting tough to find things to complain about when it comes to 360.

I would have never thought MS would become such a player in the console war but it looks like they have established themselves as a force to be wreckoned with.

Blackbond

I agree that it is good to see MS trying real hard to win over japan with alot of jrpg's but that isnt enough. U also have to add more different type games japan appeals to. If MS is smart they will look at what type games seem to sell well from nintendo and try an duplicate those type games but make there own versions and add amazing graphics to it, u never know, it might just work.

Also take a few tips on sony, with the titles they ask for just to try an please japan, such as titles as, Yakuza 3, Afrika, Tears to Tiara, Eye of Judgement, Echocrome, Siren, Hot Shots, Flowers, and many other type games that attract japanese gamers. Its not just JRPG games. But its good to see MS not giving up and trying to satusfy a territory they really need to make more sales if they want to even compete in this next gen war.

How did MS get all of this done? By skipping out on the xbox and getting into this gen early.

Yeah, they should be praised.

Sales = came in early
Dev comfort = came in early
Multiplats = came in early
graphics = came in early

What a great company.

And the recent JRPG storm is out of desperation. For months we've been hearing about MS falling on their face outside of the U.S. So, they are trying to save face. It's a good business move but should have been done from the get-go if they had a clue. It's pretty obvious that if you market yourself as a U.S. console for U.S. citizens, you are only going to sell in the U.S.

Again, should have done it from the get-go.

How did MS get all of this done? By skipping out on the xbox and getting into this gen early.

Yeah, they should be praised.

Sales = came in early
Dev comfort = came in early
Multiplats = came in early
graphics = came in early

What a great company.

The_Crucible

A very simplistic asessment but I'd expect nothing less from such a fanboy. Besides, the reasons behind Microsoft Microsoft 's killer software lineup do not matter what matters is that there is a killer lineup.

I don't see any desperation here, I only see some more 360 RPGs to add to the likes of eternal sonata and mass effect. If anyone should be getting desperate it's Sony. They've had to cancel 2 first party titles, games are being delayed/cancelled and they're losing their exclusives on a regular basis

I don't really throw around much praise to either company but I have to admit I have to give credit to MS this gen. They are improving a lot and especially through their games.

Not only do they offer you their exclusives, you get pretty much every multiplat, they have been broadening themselves with JRPGs, and they even give you a taste of the PC titles.

I mean damn it might not be the most amazing thing out their but they are making sure that their audience gets to play a very diverse catalouge of games.

Last gen you wouldn't see the Xbox getting a lot of JRPGs, you wouldn't see it getting every multiplat, you didn't see it getting this much PC titles as well. Now some may say PC multiplats are a weakness because of multiplat status but hey nobody is forcing you to buy them. Fact of the matter is though they are there.

I'll also praise Microsoft for the fact that they are going far out of their way to appeal to an audience that really wants nothing to do with them. I'm talking the JPN market and MS securing JRPGs and such.

I mean its seems they are doing everything right to get good games on their system and it is working. Quite frankly if it wasn't for RROD and maybe a $50 a year XBL service its getting tough to find things to complain about when it comes to 360.

I would have never thought MS would become such a player in the console war but it looks like they have established themselves as a force to be wreckoned with.

Blackbond

lol lemmings are way happy about small news, everybody know from ages about what the 360 going to offer in the JRPG department, the only surprise was Star Ocean 4.

Unfortunately, JRPG didn't make an impact for the 360 in Japan and worldwide, Im talking about quality not quantity.

YAY Keep trying for japan but it's sad that japan will not buy SO4 nowflashattackfina

I dont understand whats going in japanese minds but i feel sad that they will miss most great games this gen....

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

How did MS get all of this done? By skipping out on the xbox and getting into this gen early.

Yeah, they should be praised.

Sales = came in early
Dev comfort = came in early
Multiplats = came in early
graphics = came in early

What a great company.

vicmackey39

A very simplistic asessment but I'd expect nothing less from such a fanboy. Besides, the reasons behind Microsoft Microsoft 's killer software lineup do not matter what matters is that there is a killer lineup.

I don't see any desperation here, I only see some more 360 RPGs to add to the likes of eternal sonata and mass effect. If anyone should be getting desperate it's Sony. They've had to cancel 2 first party titles, games are being delayed/cancelled and they're losing their exclusives on a regular basis

Funny how I see you in these discussions all of the time yet you don't even own a 360 or a PS3. My guess is, you hate Sony. So sling all the "fanboy" comments my way, if you will. Everyone here knows you are one just the same.

And call it "simplistic" if you will. Doesn't make it false. Just about everything MS has gotten right this gen is tied to the early launch.

The 2 first party titles, cancelled weren't every going to be released this year. And they have stated their reasons for the cancellation as needing to concentrate on those titles releasing this year. Yeah, that's horrible. I'm sure 2009 is totally dead for PS3 now. :lol:

After my time here in SW, I can see that there are three main titles for the 360 that 99% of us here agree as "must have." Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Gears. Yes, there are others sprinkled in there but none to equal the widesprread acdeptance like those three. Widely accepted on the PS3 side is Uncharted. And most likely added to that list is MGS4.

I don't think PS3 is as far off on the software as you and other Sony haters wish. But you can dream. :roll:

After my time here in SW, I can see that there are three main titles for the 360 that 99% of us here agree as "must have." Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Gears. Yes, there are others sprinkled in there but none to equal the widesprread acdeptance like those three. Widely accepted on the PS3 side is Uncharted. And most likely added to that list is MGS4.

I don't think PS3 is as far off on the software as you and other Sony haters wish. But you can dream. :roll:

The_Crucible

Yeah, Halo certainly does not have wide spread acceptance...

Have you looked at a list of games I can play on my 360 but not my PS3 Vs. a List of games I can play on my PS3 that I can't play on my 360.

Believe me, I would love for Sony to actually give me more of a reason to dust of my PS3 for something other then Blu-Ray's and Warhawk but the software gap between the two consoles is miles, not inches. While a year headstart may have benefited Microsoft it doesn't change the fact that PS3 is still waiting on a Kameo Killer here at GS more then a year and a half later.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

After my time here in SW, I can see that there are three main titles for the 360 that 99% of us here agree as "must have." Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Gears. Yes, there are others sprinkled in there but none to equal the widesprread acdeptance like those three. Widely accepted on the PS3 side is Uncharted. And most likely added to that list is MGS4.

I don't think PS3 is as far off on the software as you and other Sony haters wish. But you can dream. :roll:

cosmostein77

Yeah, Halo certainly does not have wide spread acceptance...

Have you looked at a list of games I can play on my 360 but not my PS3 Vs. a List of games I can play on my PS3 that I can't play on my 360.

Believe me, I would love for Sony to actually give me more of a reason to dust of my PS3 for something other then Blu-Ray's and Warhawk but the software gap between the two consoles is miles, not inches. While a year headstart may have benefited Microsoft it doesn't change the fact that PS3 is still waiting on a Kameo Killer here at GS more then a year and a half later.

First off, Halo 3 isn't widely accepted by all factions. Yes, its a HUGE seller for 360 fans but many do not feel it is up to the level that the other three I mentioned are. Doesn't mean it's a bad game.

Resistance is a very strong game. But it's not accepted by other factions to be a "must have." And that's fair, I think.

And then you want to get into the "lists" game. Yeah, there are a slew of games on the 360 that the PS3 doesn't have. Great. Most of those are turds that aren't worth any gamer's time. It proves nothing.

Again, it's about those titles that are so good no one can deny the quality. And there just aren't lists of those titles for the 360. Not for any console. Which can also translate into "no one is safe."

No BS, I have had my PS3 since launch and have had a great experience in gaming the whole time, other than the first 5 or so months of 2007. That I cannot excuse. But the rest has been great. And I'm no new gamer. Been gaming at home since the release of NES. Not once did i worry because I couldn't play Gears. Not once did I worry that I couldn't play Bioshock. I was playing games that I enjoyed. And now I will be able to enjoy Bioshock this winter.

You 360 fans keep acting as if the quantity of titles means something. Did it with the PS2? Hell to the no! The Xbox was the better console last gen.

[QUOTE="cosmostein77"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

After my time here in SW, I can see that there are three main titles for the 360 that 99% of us here agree as "must have." Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Gears. Yes, there are others sprinkled in there but none to equal the widesprread acdeptance like those three. Widely accepted on the PS3 side is Uncharted. And most likely added to that list is MGS4.

I don't think PS3 is as far off on the software as you and other Sony haters wish. But you can dream. :roll:

The_Crucible

Yeah, Halo certainly does not have wide spread acceptance...

Have you looked at a list of games I can play on my 360 but not my PS3 Vs. a List of games I can play on my PS3 that I can't play on my 360.

Believe me, I would love for Sony to actually give me more of a reason to dust of my PS3 for something other then Blu-Ray's and Warhawk but the software gap between the two consoles is miles, not inches. While a year headstart may have benefited Microsoft it doesn't change the fact that PS3 is still waiting on a Kameo Killer here at GS more then a year and a half later.

First off, Halo 3 isn't widely accepted by all factions. Yes, its a HUGE seller for 360 fans but many do not feel it is up to the level that the other three I mentioned are. Doesn't mean it's a bad game.

Resistance is a very strong game. But it's not accepted by other factions to be a "must have." And that's fair, I think.

And then you want to get into the "lists" game. Yeah, there are a slew of games on the 360 that the PS3 doesn't have. Great. Most of those are turds that aren't worth any gamer's time. It proves nothing.

Again, it's about those titles that are so good no one can deny the quality. And there just aren't lists of those titles for the 360. Not for any console. Which can also translate into "no one is safe."

No BS, I have had my PS3 since launch and have had a great experience in gaming the whole time, other than the first 5 or so months of 2007. That I cannot excuse. But the rest has been great. And I'm no new gamer. Been gaming at home since the release of NES. Not once did i worry because I couldn't play Gears. Not once did I worry that I couldn't play Bioshock. I was playing games that I enjoyed. And now I will be able to enjoy Bioshock this winter.

You 360 fans keep acting as if the quantity of titles means something. Did it with the PS2? Hell to the no! The Xbox was the better console last gen.

:lol:

Funny how I see you in these discussions all of the time yet you don't even own a 360 or a PS3. My guess is, you hate Sony. So sling all the "fanboy" comments my way, if you will. Everyone here knows you are one just the same.

The_Crucible

Wrong again. I own both a PS2 and PS1 and I'm probably a bigger fan of both systems than you'll ever be. Unlike you though i bought them because they were awesome. I don't buy things based on labels like some fashion conscious teenage girl

And call it "simplistic" if you will. Doesn't make it false. Just about everything MS has gotten right this gen is tied to the early launch.

The_Crucible

and the fantastic development and environment, and the incredible software sales on the 360, and the courting of japanese developers, and the low price and a bunch of other factors that you conveniantly ignored

The 2 first party titles, cancelled weren't every going to be released this year. And they have stated their reasons for the cancellation as needing to concentrate on those titles releasing this year. Yeah, that's horrible. I'm sure 2009 is totally dead for PS3 now. :lol:

The_Crucible

they can justify it however they want. The fact is that 2 of their showcase titles that they've been whining about for years have been cancelled. It's a sign of the times

After my time here in SW, I can see that there are three main titles for the 360 that 99% of us here agree as "must have." Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Gears. Yes, there are others sprinkled in there but none to equal the widesprread acdeptance like those three. Widely accepted on the PS3 side is Uncharted. And most likely added to that list is MGS4.

The_Crucible

You're forgetting forza 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Dead Rising, halo 3, call of duty 2, viva pinata, eternal sonata and condemned among others. You may not consider these titles "must have" but they're still critically acclaimed titles that have sold very well

I don't think PS3 is as far off on the software as you and other Sony haters wish. But you can dream. :roll:

The_Crucible

that's because fanboys don't think. If they did they wouldn't be fanboys

YAY Keep trying for japan but it's sad that japan will not buy SO4 nowflashattackfina

[QUOTE="flashattackfina"]YAY Keep trying for japan but it's sad that japan will not buy SO4 nowblue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="flashattackfina"]YAY Keep trying for japan but it's sad that japan will not buy SO4 nowUnrealSin_X

[QUOTE="UnrealSin_X"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="flashattackfina"]YAY Keep trying for japan but it's sad that japan will not buy SO4 nowblue_hazy_basic

Really the only thing I praise Microsoft for is getting the online market churning. I dont like the Live fee or whatever, but it is a quality service and I'm glad they pushed console games in that direction.

As for paying for exclusivity, I'm not really impressed by that. Yeah, I give them credit for trying, but Microsoft throwing money around is nothing new.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"] :lol:

Funny how I see you in these discussions all of the time yet you don't even own a 360 or a PS3. My guess is, you hate Sony. So sling all the "fanboy" comments my way, if you will. Everyone here knows you are one just the same.

vicmackey39

Wrong again. I owned both a PS2 and PS1 and I'm probably a bigger fan of both systems than you'll ever be. Unlike you though i bought them because they were awesome. I don't buy things based on labels like some fashion conscious teenage girl

And call it "simplistic" if you will. Doesn't make it false. Just about everything MS has gotten right this gen is tied to the early launch.

The_Crucible

and the fantastic development and environment, and the incredible software sales on the 360, and the courting of japanese developers, and the low price and a bunch of other factors that you conveniantly ignored

The 2 first party titles, cancelled weren't every going to be released this year. And they have stated their reasons for the cancellation as needing to concentrate on those titles releasing this year. Yeah, that's horrible. I'm sure 2009 is totally dead for PS3 now. :lol:

The_Crucible

they can justify it however they want. The fact is that 2 of their showcase titles that they've been whining about for years have been cancelled. It's a sign of the times

After my time here in SW, I can see that there are three main titles for the 360 that 99% of us here agree as "must have." Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Gears. Yes, there are others sprinkled in there but none to equal the widesprread acdeptance like those three. Widely accepted on the PS3 side is Uncharted. And most likely added to that list is MGS4.

The_Crucible

You're forgetting forza 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Dead Rising, halo 3, call of duty 2, viva pinata, eternal sonata and condemned among others. You may not consider these titles "must have" but they're still critically acclaimed titles that have sold very well

I don't think PS3 is as far off on the software as you and other Sony haters wish. But you can dream. :roll:

The_Crucible

that's because fanboys don't think. If they did they wouldn't be fanboys

You haven't the foggiest on why I chose the PS3. So, don't go calling me names and assuming you do. Had nothing to do with trends or a label, :lol:

Then list me those 360 games 360 boys love. Great. Forza 2 is decent, not missing it. Ninja Gaiden is a good series, PS3 has Sigma to fill the need. And I could go on and on.

The fact remains, most of those aren't strong enough for most PS3 owners to feel they are missing anything. Honestly, fanboy aside, I could care less about most of those titles.

Courting of japanese devs? :lol: We'll see what the recent news does over the next year but until now japan has laughed at 360 and JRPG's haven't faired to well on the 360 either. Incredible software sales? While, yes, 360 has done very well with the quality "must have" titles on sales, the rest only shows a fanbase who still needs to learn the value of a dollar. I stopped buying every game years ago. If you play a lot of games and you don't rent most of them, you own a lot of wasted plastic. Unless you are a collector but that is a pretty rare breed.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="UnrealSin_X"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="flashattackfina"]YAY Keep trying for japan but it's sad that japan will not buy SO4 nowUnrealSin_X

That's why I love my 360 so much. There is always something every year for me. MS is trying their hardest to please the gaming community all around the world.

It's a shame people can't seem to see how good 360 really is.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"] :lol:

Funny how I see you in these discussions all of the time yet you don't even own a 360 or a PS3. My guess is, you hate Sony. So sling all the "fanboy" comments my way, if you will. Everyone here knows you are one just the same.

vicmackey39

Wrong again. I own both a PS2 and PS1 and I'm probably a bigger fan of both systems than you'll ever be. Unlike you though i bought them because they were awesome. I don't buy things based on labels like some fashion conscious teenage girl

And call it "simplistic" if you will. Doesn't make it false. Just about everything MS has gotten right this gen is tied to the early launch.

The_Crucible

and the fantastic development and environment, and the incredible software sales on the 360, and the courting of japanese developers, and the low price and a bunch of other factors that you conveniantly ignored

The 2 first party titles, cancelled weren't every going to be released this year. And they have stated their reasons for the cancellation as needing to concentrate on those titles releasing this year. Yeah, that's horrible. I'm sure 2009 is totally dead for PS3 now. :lol:

The_Crucible

they can justify it however they want. The fact is that 2 of their showcase titles that they've been whining about for years have been cancelled. It's a sign of the times

After my time here in SW, I can see that there are three main titles for the 360 that 99% of us here agree as "must have." Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Gears. Yes, there are others sprinkled in there but none to equal the widesprread acdeptance like those three. Widely accepted on the PS3 side is Uncharted. And most likely added to that list is MGS4.

The_Crucible

You're forgetting forza 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Dead Rising, halo 3, call of duty 2, viva pinata, eternal sonata and condemned among others. You may not consider these titles "must have" but they're still critically acclaimed titles that have sold very well

I don't think PS3 is as far off on the software as you and other Sony haters wish. But you can dream. :roll:

The_Crucible

that's because fanboys don't think. If they did they wouldn't be fanboys

Pot calling the kettle black :(

:lol:

Wow. MGS4 is just around the corner and still Sony fanboys are acting bitter and jealous.

I haven't seen a single person manage to refute the TC's argument whatsoever. Just whining, downplaying, excuses, red herrings. Rinse and repeat.

And lol at the guy that said quality over quantity. I've got news for you: at the present, Sony is being outclassed on both fronts.

How did MS get all of this done? By skipping out on the xbox and getting into this gen early.

Yeah, they should be praised.

Sales = came in early
Dev comfort = came in early
Multiplats = came in early
graphics = came in early

The_Crucible

I don't know about that 4th one...

Anyway, who cares if M$ is all about

that money, money... yeah yeah, that money money!

P.S. Honestly Blackbond, thanks for posting these gifs up. they always make my day at work a little better.

That "came in early" argument is rubbish. Coming in early was clearly a market strategy. If coming in early led to all these positive effects, it was a good move.

Sony fanboys would have us believe that them "coming in early" was just a coincidence.

:lol:

Wow. MGS4 is just around the corner and still Sony fanboys are acting bitter and jealous.

I haven't seen a single person manage to refute the TC's argument whatsoever. Just whining, downplaying, excuses, red herrings. Rinse and repeat.

And lol at the guy that said quality over quantity. I've got news for you: at the present, Sony is being outclassed on both fronts.

Tragic_Kingdom7

All this rpg news has been like getting kicked in the n*ts on Christmas Eve by Santa for ps3 owners.

All this rpg news has been like getting kicked in the n*ts on Christmas Eve by Santa for ps3 owners.mbrockway

:lol:

Oh i am sorry, is it that bad to express an opinion? It matters for me because i got used to paying SO on the PS and not the damn Xbox. I hate the 360 controller for jrpg's.

UnrealSin_X

PC fo' Life.aaronmullan

Real Life 4 Life.

i have to say i'm very impressed with MS (and Nintendo) this gen, too. i've always eventually owned all consoles each gen. and while the PS2 absolutely spanked the other two last gen, the 360 and Wii have proven that Sony is not the juggernaut it used to be. that, and i agree with Blackbond: the 360 has really tried to get more variety into their lineup this time around, which is nice.

that being said, i cannot wait to buy my PS3 for MGS4!!!!!!!!

IMO MS has ruined gaming for me, i just can't stand the exclusivity crap anymore. I have spent way too much money trying to chase after the games i want, but what can you say?UnrealSin_X

What?