If console exclusives are released on the pc, are they still a exclusive?

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Don't you think the PS3 will lose some sales because 360 players will be able to play with PC players? There are advantages for a game to be console exclusive.Ultimas_Blade

Having a title with cross platform gaming means that it has a potential for a larger user base, so yeah, it could have an effect on PS3.

Has nothing to do with how theres lots of people who havent picked up a 360 because only a tiny handful of worthwhile titles cant be played on their PC.

Can you convice someone with even a decent PC to spend $400 on 360 exclusives? Some....but not too many.

And there are plenty of titles that aren't shared with PC so don't try to play it off like there isn't.

Im talking about those that already have at least a decent gaming-capable machine.

And yes, every system has good exclusive games. But look at the original Xbox. In its entire 4 year span it only manage a pitiful 6 or so AAA exclusive titles.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Don't you think the PS3 will lose some sales because 360 players will be able to play with PC players? There are advantages for a game to be console exclusive.XaosII

Having a title with cross platform gaming means that it has a potential for a larger user base, so yeah, it could have an effect on PS3.

Has nothing to do with how theres lots of people who havent picked up a 360 because only a tiny handful of worthwhile titles cant be played on their PC.

Can you convice someone with even a decent PC to spend $400 on 360 exclusives? Some....but not too many.

And there are plenty of titles that aren't shared with PC so don't try to play it off like there isn't.

Im talking about those that already have at least a decent gaming-capable machine.

And yes, every system has good exclusive games. But look at the original Xbox. In its entire 4 year span it only manage a pitiful 6 or so AAA exclusive titles.

If someone is already prediposed to have a good gaming PC, why would I be trying to convince to be a console?  It's obvious I wouldn't be able to fairly advocate to them....

Well, we're talking about this generation of consoles (360, PS3, Wii).

If someone is already prediposed to have a good gaming PC, why would I be trying to convince to be a console? It's obvious I wouldn't be able to fairly advocate to them....

Ultimas_Blade

Prospects arent looking much better for the 360 at this rate.

Can you convince a PS3 owner to get a 360 even if they've been predisposed to it? Yeah. Not all, of course. But at this point its not so hard.

Can you convince a PS3 owner with a gaming PC to get a 360? LOL, good luck.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Well, we're talking about this generation of consoles (360, PS3, Wii).

If someone is already prediposed to have a good gaming PC, why would I be trying to convince to be a console? It's obvious I wouldn't be able to fairly advocate to them....

XaosII

Prospects arent looking much better for the 360 at this rate.

Can you convince a PS3 owner to get a 360 even if they've been predisposed to it? Yeah. Not all, of course. But at this point its not so hard.

Can you convince a PS3 owner with a gaming PC to get a 360? LOL, good luck.

The term 'Console Exclusive' is valid, although not very handy when trying to prove something to a fanboy (by no means am I talking about you).

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Well, we're talking about this generation of consoles (360, PS3, Wii).

If someone is already prediposed to have a good gaming PC, why would I be trying to convince to be a console? It's obvious I wouldn't be able to fairly advocate to them....

XaosII

Prospects arent looking much better for the 360 at this rate.

Can you convince a PS3 owner to get a 360 even if they've been predisposed to it? Yeah. Not all, of course. But at this point its not so hard.

Can you convince a PS3 owner with a gaming PC to get a 360? LOL, good luck.

I buy all the systems even the crappy wii but I buy the best version of the game and for fps that the pc version and it's cheaper with mods.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Well, we're talking about this generation of consoles (360, PS3, Wii).

If someone is already prediposed to have a good gaming PC, why would I be trying to convince to be a console? It's obvious I wouldn't be able to fairly advocate to them....

XaosII

Prospects arent looking much better for the 360 at this rate.

Can you convince a PS3 owner to get a 360 even if they've been predisposed to it? Yeah. Not all, of course. But at this point its not so hard.

Can you convince a PS3 owner with a gaming PC to get a 360? LOL, good luck.

360 and PS3 are in competition with each other!!! PC is not in the equation!!! You think Bill Gates is worried about you buying a pc? NO!! Now, does he care if you buy a ps3? YES!!!

case closed. console exclusive has meaning, maybe more than just "exclusive". PC's don't need any more exclusives, and they dont need any help with sales or install base. Exclusivity is almost irrelevant if you include them in the console fight.

Bottom line guys is the data shows that more people buy console games than PC games. PERIOD. So if you want to go and say more people are going to not buy 360s because certain titles come from PC, you're wrong. More likely, looking at this data, you could make the argument that PC gamers have more to lose as there is a substantially more powerful console gamer market and people who have consoles will more likely buy console games than PC games.

http://www.theesa.com/facts/sales_genre_data.php

 

Really, you guys need to stop with this. Why not accept that we are both privileged to share some of the best titles out there and that some people will buy them on PC and some people will buy them on console. Games that originate on PC are most likely to be more successful on PC and games that originate on console are likely to be successful on console. But the simple fact that 360 has those games where the others don't, means the 360 is in a position of advantage over the other consoles. Whether you want to put a label on it (teh console exclusive) or anything doesn't matter. The 360 is still BETTER than the other competing consoles if you look at it from the perspective it has those games whereas the others don't.

shsonline

Man, you must have swallowed the hypocrit juice.

Interestingly, you'd like data of a PC-360 game released that sold more but only if they were released at the same time because you felt it was an unfair comparison.

And here you provide "data" that pits multiple systems agaisnt one that includes hardware sales for consoles (but not gaming hardware for PC's) and use that as leverage. My, your own number seem to show that PC's sales are directly in line with the sales of the consoles when their figure it as averaged - which is about 1.3 - 1.4 billion. Very cute.

Pretending a game is exclusive doesnt actually make it exclusive. Not a very difficult concept to understand. 

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Well, we're talking about this generation of consoles (360, PS3, Wii).

If someone is already prediposed to have a good gaming PC, why would I be trying to convince to be a console? It's obvious I wouldn't be able to fairly advocate to them....

Big_T-Mac

Prospects arent looking much better for the 360 at this rate.

Can you convince a PS3 owner to get a 360 even if they've been predisposed to it? Yeah. Not all, of course. But at this point its not so hard.

Can you convince a PS3 owner with a gaming PC to get a 360? LOL, good luck.

Probably not. You'd have to be a masochist to get the PS3 at this point. Doesnt change how such my scenaro would heavily influence that person's decision not get a 360.

no one's pretending. no one's saying anything is exclusive.  what are you arguing,  exactly?

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"][QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Well, we're talking about this generation of consoles (360, PS3, Wii).

If someone is already prediposed to have a good gaming PC, why would I be trying to convince to be a console? It's obvious I wouldn't be able to fairly advocate to them....

XaosII

Prospects arent looking much better for the 360 at this rate.

Can you convince a PS3 owner to get a 360 even if they've been predisposed to it? Yeah. Not all, of course. But at this point its not so hard.

Can you convince a PS3 owner with a gaming PC to get a 360? LOL, good luck.

Probably not. You'd have to be a masochist to get the PS3 at this point. Doesnt change how such my scenaro would heavily influence that person's decision not get a 360.

hmmm the wii apparently isnt in competition with 360 and ps3 so i guess nba live 08 is exclusive to ps3 and 360. hahah give me a breakEwok432

360 and PS3 are in competition with each other!!! PC is not in the equation!!! You think Bill Gates is worried about you buying a pc? NO!! Now, does he care if you buy a ps3? YES!!!

case closed. console exclusive has meaning, maybe more than just "exclusive". PC's don't need any more exclusives, and they dont need any help with sales or install base. Exclusivity is almost irrelevant if you include them in the console fight.

whoisryanmack

Tell you what: Why dont you go to a forum called "Console Wars" instead of "System Wars" if you choose pretend a certain system doesnt exist.

 
Its the same game on more than one platform. 

I dont think you'd have a difficult time understand this sentence.

No.

I'll not labour over the argument that once it's on more than one system it's multiplat, I'll jump straight into responding to the general arguments in the affirmative in this thread.

• It does not matter how many users a system has, it does not negate multiplat status. It does not matter that the Wii, 360 and PS3 sell treble 4X the games of the PC. If it did, you'd have to look at the fact that the PS3 userbase being a fraction of that of the PC gamer userbase, and you'd come to ridiculous conclusions like GTA4 is a 360 exclusive. What matters is there is an alternative, and when it's on a system as proliferate in our modern society as the PC, it REALLY matters.
  

• Although the PC and consoles are different machines, they perform the same function. They are competiting products. If you have a gaming PC, it is unlikely you would buy a 360 if you could get most of it's games. Their architecture is also quite similar, and they share a much larger number of games in common than consoles and handhelds.
  

• PC has it's own exclusives (more in fact than any other console), so there is no point saying because it can perform other functions or is more expensive that it does not count. If you use this logic, the PS3 again should be discounted against the 360, and you come again to the illogical conclusion GTA4 is a 360 exclusive.

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"][QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Well, we're talking about this generation of consoles (360, PS3, Wii).

If someone is already prediposed to have a good gaming PC, why would I be trying to convince to be a console? It's obvious I wouldn't be able to fairly advocate to them....

Big_T-Mac

Prospects arent looking much better for the 360 at this rate.

Can you convince a PS3 owner to get a 360 even if they've been predisposed to it? Yeah. Not all, of course. But at this point its not so hard.

Can you convince a PS3 owner with a gaming PC to get a 360? LOL, good luck.

Probably not. You'd have to be a masochist to get the PS3 at this point. Doesnt change how such my scenaro would heavily influence that person's decision not get a 360.

Absolutely. But thank you for agreeing how PC does, in fact, influence sales of console just like a competiting console would. They are all gaming platforms. 

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]

360 and PS3 are in competition with each other!!! PC is not in the equation!!! You think Bill Gates is worried about you buying a pc? NO!! Now, does he care if you buy a ps3? YES!!!

case closed. console exclusive has meaning, maybe more than just "exclusive". PC's don't need any more exclusives, and they dont need any help with sales or install base. Exclusivity is almost irrelevant if you include them in the console fight.

XaosII

Tell you what: Why dont you go to a forum called "Console Wars" instead of "System Wars" if you choose pretend a certain system doesnt exist.

Its the same game on more than one platform. 

I dont think you'd have a difficult time understand this sentence.

Again, please go read the last sentence of my first post. That has been to difficult for you to understand for some time now.

I am arguing a more philosophical point here, that while exclusive has a definite meaning (1 platform only) is it necessary to hold that standard? A game that is on 360 and PC could still cause a 360 buying surge. It would also help 360 in the fight against ps3. So why shouldn't that game be important for its exclusivity...after all, it can't be had on the other consoles. You see?

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"][QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Well, we're talking about this generation of consoles (360, PS3, Wii).

If someone is already prediposed to have a good gaming PC, why would I be trying to convince to be a console? It's obvious I wouldn't be able to fairly advocate to them....

XaosII

Prospects arent looking much better for the 360 at this rate.

Can you convince a PS3 owner to get a 360 even if they've been predisposed to it? Yeah. Not all, of course. But at this point its not so hard.

Can you convince a PS3 owner with a gaming PC to get a 360? LOL, good luck.

Probably not. You'd have to be a masochist to get the PS3 at this point. Doesnt change how such my scenaro would heavily influence that person's decision not get a 360.

The ps3 has the best console fps in resistance and the best console racing game in F1 nothing on the 360 (I have it) can beat them imo also sigma is going to rip the 360 a new one based on the demo.

Its the same game on more than one platform. XaosII

but it can also be exclusive to a console; therefore, making it console exclusive. 

if a game comes out on ps2 and psp, but not ds, does the psp have an advantage over the ds, in that the psp has a game that ds doesn't?

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"][QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Well, we're talking about this generation of consoles (360, PS3, Wii).

If someone is already prediposed to have a good gaming PC, why would I be trying to convince to be a console? It's obvious I wouldn't be able to fairly advocate to them....

BrooklynBomber

Prospects arent looking much better for the 360 at this rate.

Can you convince a PS3 owner to get a 360 even if they've been predisposed to it? Yeah. Not all, of course. But at this point its not so hard.

Can you convince a PS3 owner with a gaming PC to get a 360? LOL, good luck.

Probably not. You'd have to be a masochist to get the PS3 at this point. Doesnt change how such my scenaro would heavily influence that person's decision not get a 360.

The ps3 has the best console fps in resistance and the best console racing game in F1 nothing on the 360 (I have it) can beat them imo also sigma is going to rip the 360 a new one based on the demo.

ps. i played sigmas content over 2 years ago.  a 2 year old port doesn't tear 360 a "new one."

Again, please go read the last sentence of my first post. That has been to difficult for you to understand for some time now.

I am arguing a more philosophical point here, that while exclusive has a definite meaning (1 platform only) is it necessary to hold that standard? A game that is on 360 and PC could still cause a 360 buying surge. It would also help 360 in the fight against ps3. So why shouldn't that game be important for its exclusivity...after all, it can't be had on the other consoles. You see?whoisryanmack

Yes a 360-PC game helps the fight against the PS3. And? 360-PC game doesnt not help the fight on a PC vs 360, especially if the person has a PS3.

You choose to ONLY look at the segment of the PS3 vs the 360. Im sure you are quite aware that theres more platforms that exists beyond that.

Philosophically arguing how a multiplat game is "sometimes exclusive" doesnt mean anything or change anything. 

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]If you don't get my drift I really can't explain it. You'll logically argue all day and think you're winning, but all I'm saying is that there are alot of instances where a game will be more likely played on a console. Its just more accessible for alot of people. So why not just say its exclusive, the consoles aren't competing with pc's anyway.

..and yes, any argument about consoles is about casuals. Anyone, like you or I, who would actually care enough to discuss this are in the extreme minority.

XaosII

Very compelling argument you have! Why would it be considered exclusive?

"Oh i dont know. You're logic seems to make sense but my ramblings about how a game on more than one platform should be considered exclusive is right, because you are wrong."

Accesibility does not change how its the same game on more than one platform. Get over it. More copies of FEAR sold on the PC than the 360 or PS3. That doesnt make it a PC exclusive.

Why such a big argument over semantics? Who cares? If it is on the 360 and PC, you will never play it o the PS3, which is the point people are trying to make I believe. Honestly, most people that hate the 360, hate MS period, so it stands to reason many of these people don't play PC games. Anyways, I really don't care, as I believe this is about the dumbest argument I have ever seen. The term console exclusive is a valid term, regardless of how much "worth" you believe it has. It comes down to semantics and opinion, of which you obviously had a differing one. 

[QUOTE="XaosII"]
Its the same game on more than one platform. Big_T-Mac

but it can also be exclusive to a console; therefore, making it console exclusive.

if a game comes out on ps2 and psp, but not ds, does the psp have an advantage over the ds, in that the psp has a game that ds doesn't?

Calling it "console exclusive" changes nothing about it. It doesnt change how someone can enjoy the game on their PC. I dont think you can change someone's mind whos on the fence about getting a PC or 360 version of a game by throwing the sales pitch "Oh, but thats a console exclusive game!"

With your question, yes, a PS2-PSP title has an edge over the DS. Its a game the DS doesnt have. Assuming its the same game on the PS2 and the PSP, someone who has a PS2 and DS doesnt need the PSP to play it. So of course having a title a competitor doesnt have is win - but it doesnt have nearly as much value if its exclusive. The version you didnt buydidnt suddenly disappear from existance.

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]Again, please go read the last sentence of my first post. That has been to difficult for you to understand for some time now.

I am arguing a more philosophical point here, that while exclusive has a definite meaning (1 platform only) is it necessary to hold that standard? A game that is on 360 and PC could still cause a 360 buying surge. It would also help 360 in the fight against ps3. So why shouldn't that game be important for its exclusivity...after all, it can't be had on the other consoles. You see?XaosII

Yes a 360-PC game helps the fight against the PS3. And? 360-PC game doesnt not help the fight on a PC vs 360, especially if the person has a PS3.

You choose to ONLY look at the segment of the PS3 vs the 360. Im sure you are quite aware that theres more platforms that exists beyond that.

Philosophically arguing how a multiplat game is "sometimes exclusive" doesnt mean anything or change anything. 

the inferred point of that is that "console exclusive" does have meaning. Then I will add, that as I stated earlier, I do not consider the pc in this argument. It has already penetrated the market. It isn't "fighting" against anything, its already established. So, even if it had an exclusive of any form...does that really matter? The point of "exclusive" is that it presents a clear advantage....but can you have an advantage if you've already won?

So you see, including pc in the exclusive argument, is more of a technicality than a practical argument. It just doesn't use exclusivity in the same way, or to the same degree, that consoles do.

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]If you don't get my drift I really can't explain it. You'll logically argue all day and think you're winning, but all I'm saying is that there are alot of instances where a game will be more likely played on a console. Its just more accessible for alot of people. So why not just say its exclusive, the consoles aren't competing with pc's anyway.

..and yes, any argument about consoles is about casuals. Anyone, like you or I, who would actually care enough to discuss this are in the extreme minority.

snyper1982

Very compelling argument you have! Why would it be considered exclusive?

"Oh i dont know. You're logic seems to make sense but my ramblings about how a game on more than one platform should be considered exclusive is right, because you are wrong."

Accesibility does not change how its the same game on more than one platform. Get over it. More copies of FEAR sold on the PC than the 360 or PS3. That doesnt make it a PC exclusive.

Because as a primarly PC gamer, the 360 is a poor choice of a system.

Its not an issue of semantics. Its lemmings trying to inflate the list of games they think have.

I dont see how the you can have on opinion on the clear distinction of what an exclusive is. Got a good argument how the same game on more than one platform is exclusiveby any means?

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]If you don't get my drift I really can't explain it. You'll logically argue all day and think you're winning, but all I'm saying is that there are alot of instances where a game will be more likely played on a console. Its just more accessible for alot of people. So why not just say its exclusive, the consoles aren't competing with pc's anyway.

..and yes, any argument about consoles is about casuals. Anyone, like you or I, who would actually care enough to discuss this are in the extreme minority.

snyper1982

Very compelling argument you have! Why would it be considered exclusive?

"Oh i dont know. You're logic seems to make sense but my ramblings about how a game on more than one platform should be considered exclusive is right, because you are wrong."

Accesibility does not change how its the same game on more than one platform. Get over it. More copies of FEAR sold on the PC than the 360 or PS3. That doesnt make it a PC exclusive.

Why such a big argument over semantics? Who cares? If it is on the 360 and PC, you will never play it o the PS3, which is the point people are trying to make I believe. Honestly, most people that hate the 360, hate MS period, so it stands to reason many of these people don't play PC games. Anyways, I really don't care, as I believe this is about the dumbest argument I have ever seen. The term console exclusive is a valid term, regardless of how much "worth" you believe it has. It comes down to semantics and opinion, of which you obviously had a differing one. 

the inferred point of that is that "console exclusive" does have meaning. Then I will add, that as I stated earlier, I do not consider the pc in this argument. It has already penetrated the market. It isn't "fighting" against anything, its already established. So, even if it had an exclusive of any form...does that really matter? The point of "exclusive" is that it presents a clear advantage....but can you have an advantage if you've already won?

So you see, including pc in the exclusive argument, is more of a technicality than a practical argument. It just doesn't use exclusivity in the same way, or to the same degree, that consoles do.

whoisryanmack

Why dont you consider the PC? Because its different? Because its somehow cant play games? I cant see how you can so blatantly deny the millions of people playing PC and PC exclusive games.

Can you honestly say a 360 exclusive title holds just as much weight as a 360-PC title considering how even millions of copies have sold for both the PC and 360 versions of oblivion?

I still dont see how the PC "doesnt use exclusitivity in the same way".....like, its not even capable of playing the game or something. People are buying 360-PC games on their PC. Clearly, a good deal of them dont have or arent planning to get a 360. Didnt that just affect the sales of the console just as much as a 360 exclusive title going PC/360/PS3?

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

It's not Microsoft exclusive, it's not console exclusive.

 

If it's on the PC, it's a multiplatform game. How hard of a concept is that to grasp?

Ultimas_Blade

You might as well turn around and talk to your wall. They are acvting like little kids. They believe no one should have a differing opinion. You already conceded that it is technically multi plat, but that your opinion is that  it is still console exclusive. If they can't handle that, screw them.

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]

Wait. Why the hell do I need to defend myself to someone who willingly listens to Gwen Stefani?

TekkenMaster606

Oh look, you're reaching out and trying to bash a personal preference. Oooh. I'm skeered. Oh no, my music choices have everything to do with this argument.

That is what you did to him. Called him blind, because he prefers to game on his 360. Coorect me if I am wrong, but isn;t there a term for that? I think it starts with an H.

-edit- 

Sorry, wasn't you. I appologize. 

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

It's not Microsoft exclusive, it's not console exclusive.

 

If it's on the PC, it's a multiplatform game. How hard of a concept is that to grasp?

snyper1982

You might as well turn around and talk to your wall. They are acvting like little kids. They believe no one should have a differing opinion. You already conceded that it is technically multi plat, but that your opinion is that it is still console exclusive. If they can't handle that, screw them.

Yeah...it being called a "console exclusive" just changes everything about it. Its like, its not even the same game thats being played. 

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

It's not Microsoft exclusive, it's not console exclusive.

 

If it's on the PC, it's a multiplatform game. How hard of a concept is that to grasp?

snyper1982

You might as well turn around and talk to your wall. They are acvting like little kids. They believe no one should have a differing opinion. You already conceded that it is technically multi plat, but that your opinion is that it is still console exclusive. If they can't handle that, screw them.

It's not an issue of opinions though. Unless we want to fundamentally change what we mean by the word 'exclusive'.

And heavy editorializing and calling people children doesn't make your argument magically correct. 

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

It's not Microsoft exclusive, it's not console exclusive.

 

If it's on the PC, it's a multiplatform game. How hard of a concept is that to grasp?

XaosII

You might as well turn around and talk to your wall. They are acvting like little kids. They believe no one should have a differing opinion. You already conceded that it is technically multi plat, but that your opinion is that it is still console exclusive. If they can't handle that, screw them.

Yeah...it being called a "console exclusive" just changes everything about it. Its like, its not even the same game thats being played.

Sometimes, they change the quite a lot when it goes onto the PC. 

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]the inferred point of that is that "console exclusive" does have meaning. Then I will add, that as I stated earlier, I do not consider the pc in this argument. It has already penetrated the market. It isn't "fighting" against anything, its already established. So, even if it had an exclusive of any form...does that really matter? The point of "exclusive" is that it presents a clear advantage....but can you have an advantage if you've already won?

So you see, including pc in the exclusive argument, is more of a technicality than a practical argument. It just doesn't use exclusivity in the same way, or to the same degree, that consoles do.

XaosII

Why dont you consider the PC? Because its different? Because its somehow cant play games? I cant see how you can so blatantly deny the millions of people playing PC and PC exclusive games.

Can you honestly say a 360 exclusive title holds just as much weight as a 360-PC title considering how even millions of copies have sold for both the PC and 360 versions of oblivion?

I still dont see how the PC "doesnt use exclusitivity in the same way".....like, its not even capable of playing the game or something. People are buying 360-PC games on their PC. Clearly, a good deal of them dont have or arent planning to get a 360. Didnt that just affect the sales of the console just as much as a 360 exclusive title going PC/360/PS3?

My argument is that this is truly a battle between 360 ps3 and Wii. PC's are out there on their own. Bigger install base, more users, more games, more everything. They aren't competeing.

So..I think that as long as we're talking about say...360 doing well because it has a game that is also on pc but no where else, then that game can still be called 360 exclusive. The game is doing so much more for 360 in its fight against consoles than it is for pc's becoming more popular. So console exclusive has meaning and is maybe more important that just exclusive in a way. We can already play between pc and 360, so is exclusivity in the traditional sense even going to be possible soon? It's all about consoles

My argument is that this is truly a battle between 360 ps3 and Wii. PC's are out there on their own. Bigger install base, more users, more games, more everything. They aren't competeing.

So..I think that as long as we're talking about say...360 doing well because it has a game that is also on pc but no where else, then that game can still be called 360 exclusive. The game is doing so much more for 360 in its fight against consoles than it is for pc's becoming more popular. So console exclusive has meaning and is maybe more important that just exclusive in a way. We can already play between pc and 360, so is exclusivity in the traditional sense even going to be possible soon? It's all about consoleswhoisryanmack

Lets take 360-PC game like Shadowrun with cross-platform play.

The fact that its not on the PS3 or Wii means the 360 earns points for that, just like a PC exclusive game earns points for it not being anywhere else but on the PC.

Do you think that most of the people playing Shadowrun on the PC have a 360?

Do you think if it was 360 only that it would've sold more copies for the 360?

If its affecting sales for the 360, how is it not competing even if it is different? Or do the sales of the system and its games have nothing to do whether they are competing, by your definition?

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]If you don't get my drift I really can't explain it. You'll logically argue all day and think you're winning, but all I'm saying is that there are alot of instances where a game will be more likely played on a console. Its just more accessible for alot of people. So why not just say its exclusive, the consoles aren't competing with pc's anyway.

..and yes, any argument about consoles is about casuals. Anyone, like you or I, who would actually care enough to discuss this are in the extreme minority.

XaosII

Very compelling argument you have! Why would it be considered exclusive?

"Oh i dont know. You're logic seems to make sense but my ramblings about how a game on more than one platform should be considered exclusive is right, because you are wrong."

Accesibility does not change how its the same game on more than one platform. Get over it. More copies of FEAR sold on the PC than the 360 or PS3. That doesnt make it a PC exclusive.

Because as a primarly PC gamer, the 360 is a poor choice of a system.

Its not an issue of semantics. Its lemmings trying to inflate the list of games they think have.

I dont see how the you can have on opinion on the clear distinction of what an exclusive is. Got a good argument how the same game on more than one platform is exclusiveby any means?

I will use your argument and say that Lemmings are not trying to inflate th games they have, because as you state, just because it is on the PC does not make the 360 version dissapear. I specifically said I believe this argument is more towards PS3 VS 360 games, so if the game is not on the PS3, then you will never play it there, ultimately giving the 360 an advantage.

I prefer PC gaming as well, but I am not so arrogat as to think my opinion rules others. You have to agree, that this argument is used MUCH more often in comparing the PS3 and360, so it is not completely ignorant to assume that that is the context in which this argument will be mostly used.

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]the inferred point of that is that "console exclusive" does have meaning. Then I will add, that as I stated earlier, I do not consider the pc in this argument. It has already penetrated the market. It isn't "fighting" against anything, its already established. So, even if it had an exclusive of any form...does that really matter? The point of "exclusive" is that it presents a clear advantage....but can you have an advantage if you've already won?

So you see, including pc in the exclusive argument, is more of a technicality than a practical argument. It just doesn't use exclusivity in the same way, or to the same degree, that consoles do.

XaosII

Why dont you consider the PC? Because its different? Because its somehow cant play games? I cant see how you can so blatantly deny the millions of people playing PC and PC exclusive games.

Can you honestly say a 360 exclusive title holds just as much weight as a 360-PC title considering how even millions of copies have sold for both the PC and 360 versions of oblivion?

I still dont see how the PC "doesnt use exclusitivity in the same way".....like, its not even capable of playing the game or something. People are buying 360-PC games on their PC. Clearly, a good deal of them dont have or arent planning to get a 360. Didnt that just affect the sales of the console just as much as a 360 exclusive title going PC/360/PS3?

You have no basis to make that claim. You have NO IDEA how many of those people actually own a 360 as well.

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

It's not Microsoft exclusive, it's not console exclusive.

 

If it's on the PC, it's a multiplatform game. How hard of a concept is that to grasp?

Danm_999

You might as well turn around and talk to your wall. They are acvting like little kids. They believe no one should have a differing opinion. You already conceded that it is technically multi plat, but that your opinion is that it is still console exclusive. If they can't handle that, screw them.

It's not an issue of opinions though. Unless we want to fundamentally change what we mean by the word 'exclusive'.

And heavy editorializing and calling people children doesn't make your argument magically correct.

Are you denying that this argument is MAINLY used in comparing the PS3 to the 360? 

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]My argument is that this is truly a battle between 360 ps3 and Wii. PC's are out there on their own. Bigger install base, more users, more games, more everything. They aren't competeing.

So..I think that as long as we're talking about say...360 doing well because it has a game that is also on pc but no where else, then that game can still be called 360 exclusive. The game is doing so much more for 360 in its fight against consoles than it is for pc's becoming more popular. So console exclusive has meaning and is maybe more important that just exclusive in a way. We can already play between pc and 360, so is exclusivity in the traditional sense even going to be possible soon? It's all about consolesXaosII

Lets take 360-PC game like Shadowrun with cross-platform play.

The fact that its not on the PS3 or Wii means the 360 earns points for that, just like a PC exclusive game earns points for it not being anywhere else but on the PC.

Do you think that most of the people playing Shadowrun on the PC have a 360?

Do you think if it was 360 only that it would've sold more copies for the 360?

If its affecting sales for the 360, how is it not competing even if it is different? Or do the sales of the system and its games have nothing to do whether they are competing, by your definition?

You are making a pretty big assumption there. There is no data backing up the claim that most peopel buying a 360/PC games on PC don't own a 360. 

Definitions time!

Console Exclusive: Of or pertaining to software that is available for only one of any major consoles and the PC; does not change the fact that the software is multiplatform due to a PC/Console title.
Exclusive: Of or pertaining to software that is only available on one gaming platform.  Cannot share title with any other platform (ie PC/360).
Multiplatform: Of or pertaining to software that is available on two or more consoles.

This should sum up what we've discussed eh? :lol:

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

It's not Microsoft exclusive, it's not console exclusive.

 

If it's on the PC, it's a multiplatform game. How hard of a concept is that to grasp?

snyper1982

You might as well turn around and talk to your wall. They are acvting like little kids. They believe no one should have a differing opinion. You already conceded that it is technically multi plat, but that your opinion is that it is still console exclusive. If they can't handle that, screw them.

It's not an issue of opinions though. Unless we want to fundamentally change what we mean by the word 'exclusive'.

And heavy editorializing and calling people children doesn't make your argument magically correct.

Are you denying that this argument is MAINLY used in comparing the PS3 to the 360?

How the heck did you get that from what I wrote?

It doesn't matter WHAT your comparing it too, whether it be the PS3, Wii, 3D0 or Sega Genesis.

It's exclusive if it's only available on one platform. If you try and artificially construct circumstances where certain systems are excluded from the rule you leave yourself open to massively illogical paradoxes, as well as basically ignoring the meaning, and the SW accepted meaning, of the word exclusive. 

No, I don't think so. If the game is on PC it's multiplatform.

I think MS securing Gears and Mass Effect is a big reason why the console is going to do better than the original Xbox. Although, there are still many games going to PC so they've got to work to secure those as exclusives. 

no exclusive means oone system

Hmm, it's just bugging me when xbox fanboys always say they got plenty of exclusives, when i look at the pc section, it's the same as the xbox section.  Only difference is the pc games are always cheaper, and never sold out usually.  silversurfergold

I laugh every time they mention all these exclsuive that are on pc, alan wake, biosshock, slinter cell 5 just to name a few

No, I don't think so. If the game is on PC it's multiplatform.

I think MS securing Gears and Mass Effect is a big reason why the console is going to do better than the original Xbox. Although, there are still many games going to PC so they've got to work to secure those as exclusives.

the-very-best

No such thing as a 'console exclusive' the word exclusive cannot be used that way in the English language.

 Silly thing made up by sad lemmings.

No, I don't think so. If the game is on PC it's multiplatform.

I think MS securing Gears and Mass Effect is a big reason why the console is going to do better than the original Xbox. Although, there are still many games going to PC so they've got to work to secure those as exclusives.

the-very-best

Epic has guarenteed that GEOW will come to the PC....Mass Effect, no one has said anything at this point, but its pretty likely that Mass Effect will go to the PC, and Dragon age (Biowares PC game) will end up going to the consoles some time in the future.