If console exclusives are released on the pc, are they still a exclusive?

[QUOTE="TheWinds"]If you say that they are multiplatform then you must also say the plethora of games also availiable on Mobile phones are multiplatform. Technically it's true, but it just doesn't sound right and so people don't. The PC is exactly the same.Hewkii

Virtua Tennis on the PS3 has large differences to the Xbox 360 version (Ie not the same game), yet it's still multiplat.TheWinds

Not at all, and the whole point is really that MS makes no money whatsoever on PC Games, unless they actually Produce them. After that fact, there are millions of Linux users worldwide, and they do play games, but that's really besides the fact. There are 200 million PC Gamers roughly estimated of some form or another, and I would say a large portion goes to a MS OS. Still doesn't heed microsoft the title of owning PC Gaming any more than Mac though, as they are not directly profiting off the platform.

mismajor99

Let me ask you this. If you were building a gaming rig, would you put linux on it or Windows? Obviously windows if it is being built for gaming. Yeah you can use Linux, but like 90% of people are going to use buy windows when building a new gaming rig. Just like Sony owned the console market ladt gen, MS owns the PC gaming market. I understand your point. You must also be able to see mine. 

[QUOTE="TheWinds"]If you say that they are multiplatform then you must also say the plethora of games also availiable on Mobile phones are multiplatform. Technically it's true, but it just doesn't sound right and so people don't. The PC is exactly the same.PannicAtack

Not always. There are numerous games that got different versions of games with the PC version. One of the recent spiderman games comes to mind. 

[QUOTE="TheWinds"]If you say that they are multiplatform then you must also say the plethora of games also availiable on Mobile phones are multiplatform. Technically it's true, but it just doesn't sound right and so people don't. The PC is exactly the same.trix5817

That's totally different. Spore on a cell phone is TOTALLY different then Spore on a PC or console. PC's and consoles are much more comparable platforms. And afterall, this is SYSTEM WARS.....get over it.

Well to use your bullheaded logic, you can play games on a mobile phone, therefore it is a system. So if it is also on a mobile phone, it must be multi plat. Going by YOUR rules here. See how idiotic that is. What makes it ok for you draw the lines at PC? Oh I get it, YOU get to decide where the line is drawn. Must be nice.... LOL. If I want to use the term console exclusive, then damn it I will. I would obviously be comparing one console to another, if I were using the term, so I see no point in bringing in the PC anyways....

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="TheWinds"]If you say that they are multiplatform then you must also say the plethora of games also availiable on Mobile phones are multiplatform. Technically it's true, but it just doesn't sound right and so people don't. The PC is exactly the same.snyper1982

That's totally different. Spore on a cell phone is TOTALLY different then Spore on a PC or console. PC's and consoles are much more comparable platforms. And afterall, this is SYSTEM WARS.....get over it.

Well to use your bullheaded logic, you can play games on a mobile phone, therefore it is a system. So if it is also on a mobile phone, it must be multi plat. Going by YOUR rules here. See how idiotic that is. What makes it ok for you draw the lines at PC? Oh I get it, YOU get to decide where the line is drawn. Must be nice.... LOL. If I want to use the term console exclusive, then damn it I will. I would obviously be comparing one console to another, if I were using the term, so I see no point in bringing in the PC anyways....

Because the PC has the same basic architecture as consoles, and share many of the same games.

The architecture of the mobile phone is completely different, and there are barely any games that exist as direct ports. Same deal with handhels.

Create whatever analytical constructions you want, bottom line is, if a game is on PC, that detracts from the appeal of the console it is also on. It makes the title easier to get, and more proliferate. There is no reason to exclude the PC as a factor when you compare consoles, it is a popular gaming platform that is so proliferate it's an absolute joke you should even think to minimalize it's influence. 

Cows need to stop hiding behind the PC. Let the PS3 stand on it's own merits.

Most gamers are either a PC or console gamers. Not both. Of course, most cows will claimthey have a gaming PC to try to make the x360's line-up appear weak.

Just my personal opinion, but if a game is PC/360 or PC/PS3 I consider it a console exclusive, as PC does not count as a console and belongs to another class of devices (blah blah, Yeah I know it games). Just my opinion though.Ultimas_Blade

What he said 

Cows need to stop hiding behind the PC. Let the PS3 stand on it's own merits.

Most gamers are either a PC or console gamers. Not both. Of course, most cows will claimthey have a gaming PC to try to make the x360's line-up appear weak.

LosDaddie

I disagree. I'd say most gamers are actually both. Casual gamers obviously drive the market for games like The Sims and WoW, while also driving the market for consoles like the 360 and Wii.

But lets not just act like it's Cows who are using the PC to make the 360 look worse (though they are very guilty of that at times), some Lemmings want to deny the validity of the PC as a gaming system in order to beef up their exclusive lists.

You say 'let the PS3 stand on it's own merits', and I say we should do the same for the 360. Yes, we can acknowledge the fact it has some great multiplats, it's not like having C&C 3, Bioshock or Two Worlds suddenly dissapears as an advantage. But they aren't exclusive. 

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]

Not at all, and the whole point is really that MS makes no money whatsoever on PC Games, unless they actually Produce them. After that fact, there are millions of Linux users worldwide, and they do play games, but that's really besides the fact. There are 200 million PC Gamers roughly estimated of some form or another, and I would say a large portion goes to a MS OS. Still doesn't heed microsoft the title of owning PC Gaming any more than Mac though, as they are not directly profiting off the platform.

snyper1982

Let me ask you this. If you were building a gaming rig, would you put linux on it or Windows? Obviously windows if it is being built for gaming. Yeah you can use Linux, but like 90% of people are going to use buy windows when building a new gaming rig. Just like Sony owned the console market ladt gen, MS owns the PC gaming market. I understand your point. You must also be able to see mine.

I've always dual booted, so I'm most likely the wrong person to ask. Most Linux disros, imo, is a far superior to anything MS has ever made, but that's a seperate issue. MS does not own PC Gaming at all. The OS is used just like any other component in the rig. The gaming market is a sub market of the PC, and the only games MS makes money on are ones they publish. There are no royalties associated with the PC gaming market whatsoever, hence why PC games are cheaper than console games.  MS has no control over content or the direction of any game, unless they make one themselves. Publishers/developers in the PC space are independant, and have no strings attached. We're talking games here, nothing more. So no, MS does not own PC gaming, a slew of Publishers/Developers do.  

Pfft. I use the PC to make both the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3 look bad.

Now accuse me of hiding behind something. :lol: 

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="TheWinds"]If you say that they are multiplatform then you must also say the plethora of games also availiable on Mobile phones are multiplatform. Technically it's true, but it just doesn't sound right and so people don't. The PC is exactly the same.Danm_999

That's totally different. Spore on a cell phone is TOTALLY different then Spore on a PC or console. PC's and consoles are much more comparable platforms. And afterall, this is SYSTEM WARS.....get over it.

Well to use your bullheaded logic, you can play games on a mobile phone, therefore it is a system. So if it is also on a mobile phone, it must be multi plat. Going by YOUR rules here. See how idiotic that is. What makes it ok for you draw the lines at PC? Oh I get it, YOU get to decide where the line is drawn. Must be nice.... LOL. If I want to use the term console exclusive, then damn it I will. I would obviously be comparing one console to another, if I were using the term, so I see no point in bringing in the PC anyways....

Because the PC has the same basic architecture as consoles, and share many of the same games.

The architecture of the mobile phone is completely different, and there are barely any games that exist as direct ports. Same deal with handhels.

Create whatever analytical constructions you want, bottom line is, if a game is on PC, that detracts from the appeal of the console it is also on. It makes the title easier to get, and more proliferate. There is no reason to exclude the PC as a factor when you compare consoles, it is a popular gaming platform that is so proliferate it's an absolute joke you should even think to minimalize it's influence.

So if I am comparing the 360 to PS3 I should not use games like Gears, or Halo, or C&C, etc. becuase they are ale out or coming out to the PC? How stupid is that? When I compare two things, I compare them directly, I don't throw some other arbitrary comparison in there just to detract from one of them. Let's use cars for instance, lets say I am comparing a RX8, to a Nissan 300Z. What good would it do for other people to start saying "PFFT, everyone knows that the Viper does that too, plus it is faster, and looks better!". You see my point? I know there are better anologys, but I hope you can understand where I am coming from.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Cows need to stop hiding behind the PC. Let the PS3 stand on it's own merits.

Most gamers are either a PC or console gamers. Not both. Of course, most cows will claimthey have a gaming PC to try to make the x360's line-up appear weak.

Danm_999

I disagree. I'd say most gamers are actually both. Casual gamers obviously drive the market for games like The Sims and WoW, while also driving the market for consoles like the 360 and Wii.

But lets not just act like it's Cows who are using the PC to make the 360 look worse (though they are very guilty of that at times), some Lemmings want to deny the validity of the PC as a gaming system in order to beef up their exclusive lists.

You say 'let the PS3 stand on it's own merits', and I say we should do the same for the 360. Yes, we can acknowledge the fact it has some great multiplats, it's not like having C&C 3, Bioshock or Two Worlds suddenly dissapears as an advantage. But they aren't exclusive.

I understand what you are aying about some lemmings denying the PC, but in a comparison of consoles, the PC should have no bearing on it. Which is what I have been saying all along. Obviously, if you are comparing all systems, you should not be counting the PC/360 games as 360 exclusicve, as that is idiotic. The PC is a superior platform, hands down. But my argument all along has been when comparing consoles, the PC/360 games are exclusive to the 360 as the PS3 cannot play it.

I also understand this is system wars, but that does not mean every topic is about ALL systems. 

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="mismajor99"]

Not at all, and the whole point is really that MS makes no money whatsoever on PC Games, unless they actually Produce them. After that fact, there are millions of Linux users worldwide, and they do play games, but that's really besides the fact. There are 200 million PC Gamers roughly estimated of some form or another, and I would say a large portion goes to a MS OS. Still doesn't heed microsoft the title of owning PC Gaming any more than Mac though, as they are not directly profiting off the platform.

mismajor99

Let me ask you this. If you were building a gaming rig, would you put linux on it or Windows? Obviously windows if it is being built for gaming. Yeah you can use Linux, but like 90% of people are going to use buy windows when building a new gaming rig. Just like Sony owned the console market ladt gen, MS owns the PC gaming market. I understand your point. You must also be able to see mine.

I've always dual booted, so I'm most likely the wrong person to ask. Most Linux disros, imo, is a far superior to anything MS has ever made, but that's a seperate issue. MS does not own PC Gaming at all. The OS is used just like any other component in the rig. The gaming market is a sub market of the PC, and the only games MS makes money on are ones they publish. There are no royalties associated with the PC gaming market whatsoever, hence why PC games are cheaper than console games. MS has no control over content or the direction of any game, unless they make one themselves. Publishers/developers in the PC space are independant, and have no strings attached. We're talking games here, nothing more. So no, MS does not own PC gaming, a slew of Publishers/Developers do.

The fact that you are dual booting means that you are running windows. Therefore MS made money on your purchase. LOL. Pretty much anyone building a gaming rig, is going to put Windows on there. So MS is making money off PC games, although not directly.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Cows need to stop hiding behind the PC. Let the PS3 stand on it's own merits.

Most gamers are either a PC or console gamers. Not both. Of course, most cows will claimthey have a gaming PC to try to make the x360's line-up appear weak.

Danm_999

I disagree. I'd say most gamers are actually both. Casual gamers obviously drive the market for games like The Sims and WoW, while also driving the market for consoles like the 360 and Wii.

But lets not just act like it's Cows who are using the PC to make the 360 look worse (though they are very guilty of that at times), some Lemmings want to deny the validity of the PC as a gaming system in order to beef up their exclusive lists.

You say 'let the PS3 stand on it's own merits', and I say we should do the same for the 360. Yes, we can acknowledge the fact it has some great multiplats, it's not like having C&C 3, Bioshock or Two Worlds suddenly dissapears as an advantage. But they aren't exclusive. 

ARe you kidding me??

Cows always use the PC to make the x360 look worse. Cows always bring up PC when debating x360 vs PS3. It happens every time the subject is debated. 

FYI: The x360 owners do let the console stand on it's on merits. Just that cows claim GEars, Halo3, Mass Effect are already multiplat.

GEt real if you think cows don't hide behind the PC.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Cows need to stop hiding behind the PC. Let the PS3 stand on it's own merits.

Most gamers are either a PC or console gamers. Not both. Of course, most cows will claimthey have a gaming PC to try to make the x360's line-up appear weak.

LosDaddie

I disagree. I'd say most gamers are actually both. Casual gamers obviously drive the market for games like The Sims and WoW, while also driving the market for consoles like the 360 and Wii.

But lets not just act like it's Cows who are using the PC to make the 360 look worse (though they are very guilty of that at times), some Lemmings want to deny the validity of the PC as a gaming system in order to beef up their exclusive lists.

You say 'let the PS3 stand on it's own merits', and I say we should do the same for the 360. Yes, we can acknowledge the fact it has some great multiplats, it's not like having C&C 3, Bioshock or Two Worlds suddenly dissapears as an advantage. But they aren't exclusive.

ARe you kidding me??

Cows always use the PC to make the x360 look worse. Cows always bring up PC when debating x360 vs PS3. It happens every time the subject is debated.

FYI: The x360 owners do let the console stand on it's on merits. Just that cows claim GEars, Halo3, Mass Effect are already multiplat.

GEt real if you think cows don't hide behind the PC.

I said they do. But Lemmings also ignore it for exactly the same purpose. 

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Cows need to stop hiding behind the PC. Let the PS3 stand on it's own merits.

Most gamers are either a PC or console gamers. Not both. Of course, most cows will claimthey have a gaming PC to try to make the x360's line-up appear weak.

snyper1982

I disagree. I'd say most gamers are actually both. Casual gamers obviously drive the market for games like The Sims and WoW, while also driving the market for consoles like the 360 and Wii.

But lets not just act like it's Cows who are using the PC to make the 360 look worse (though they are very guilty of that at times), some Lemmings want to deny the validity of the PC as a gaming system in order to beef up their exclusive lists.

You say 'let the PS3 stand on it's own merits', and I say we should do the same for the 360. Yes, we can acknowledge the fact it has some great multiplats, it's not like having C&C 3, Bioshock or Two Worlds suddenly dissapears as an advantage. But they aren't exclusive.

I understand what you are aying about some lemmings denying the PC, but in a comparison of consoles, the PC should have no bearing on it. Which is what I have been saying all along. Obviously, if you are comparing all systems, you should not be counting the PC/360 games as 360 exclusicve, as that is idiotic. The PC is a superior platform, hands down. But my argument all along has been when comparing consoles, the PC/360 games are exclusive to the 360 as the PS3 cannot play it.

I also understand this is system wars, but that does not mean every topic is about ALL systems.

So by the same token, if we're comparing the PS3 and Wii, we can call say, Assasin's Creed a PS3 exclusive? 

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Cows need to stop hiding behind the PC. Let the PS3 stand on it's own merits.

Most gamers are either a PC or console gamers. Not both. Of course, most cows will claimthey have a gaming PC to try to make the x360's line-up appear weak.

Danm_999

I disagree. I'd say most gamers are actually both. Casual gamers obviously drive the market for games like The Sims and WoW, while also driving the market for consoles like the 360 and Wii.

But lets not just act like it's Cows who are using the PC to make the 360 look worse (though they are very guilty of that at times), some Lemmings want to deny the validity of the PC as a gaming system in order to beef up their exclusive lists.

You say 'let the PS3 stand on it's own merits', and I say we should do the same for the 360. Yes, we can acknowledge the fact it has some great multiplats, it's not like having C&C 3, Bioshock or Two Worlds suddenly dissapears as an advantage. But they aren't exclusive.

I understand what you are aying about some lemmings denying the PC, but in a comparison of consoles, the PC should have no bearing on it. Which is what I have been saying all along. Obviously, if you are comparing all systems, you should not be counting the PC/360 games as 360 exclusicve, as that is idiotic. The PC is a superior platform, hands down. But my argument all along has been when comparing consoles, the PC/360 games are exclusive to the 360 as the PS3 cannot play it.

I also understand this is system wars, but that does not mean every topic is about ALL systems.

So by the same token, if we're comparing the PS3 and Wii, we can call say, Assasin's Creed a PS3 exclusive?

Sure. I would have no poblem with that at all.  

So by the same token, if we're comparing the PS3 and Wii, we can call say, Assasin's Creed a PS3 exclusive?

Danm_999

Oh snap. :lol: 

I'm guessing the key word to console exclusive is the word "console", but I am not a fan of the xbox mainly cause I have a powerful gaming computer, and even though games come out later on for the pc, there makes no sense for an xbox to enter my home.  Games look better on my pc then the 360, and they load better on the pc. 

Halo 1, and 2 are not "exclusives" as there is a loop hole in getting it, I am aware they don't launch at the same time, but there not really an exclusive.  I'm aware that microsoft dominates the pc market, so either way they make money.  More of your "exclusives" are being released eventually onto pc.  Lost Planet and Gears of War are also coming to the pc.  

So are all your xbox exclusives really an exclusive, as if I was a fan of Halo, I could play it without owning a big X. 

silversurfergold

IMO, I feel a game is exclusive if it is available for only one of the consoles.  Because the reason being is because the console market to the pc market is different.  They are also not in competition.  Consoles are in competition against consoles not PCs.  So if a game is only available for the 360 and not the PS3 it is exclusive to the 360, meaning for consoles you can only get it on the 360 which makes it an exclusive game.  END OF STORY.  I hate when people in this forum compare or talk about PCs and consoles in the same sentence its annoying, because they are two different technologies even though they are on the same basis.  The fact is with a PC you can upgrade and make it faster then any other console out there.  They are two different to compare or even say that a game is exclusive or not.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Cows need to stop hiding behind the PC. Let the PS3 stand on it's own merits.

Most gamers are either a PC or console gamers. Not both. Of course, most cows will claimthey have a gaming PC to try to make the x360's line-up appear weak.

snyper1982

I disagree. I'd say most gamers are actually both. Casual gamers obviously drive the market for games like The Sims and WoW, while also driving the market for consoles like the 360 and Wii.

But lets not just act like it's Cows who are using the PC to make the 360 look worse (though they are very guilty of that at times), some Lemmings want to deny the validity of the PC as a gaming system in order to beef up their exclusive lists.

You say 'let the PS3 stand on it's own merits', and I say we should do the same for the 360. Yes, we can acknowledge the fact it has some great multiplats, it's not like having C&C 3, Bioshock or Two Worlds suddenly dissapears as an advantage. But they aren't exclusive.

I understand what you are aying about some lemmings denying the PC, but in a comparison of consoles, the PC should have no bearing on it. Which is what I have been saying all along. Obviously, if you are comparing all systems, you should not be counting the PC/360 games as 360 exclusicve, as that is idiotic. The PC is a superior platform, hands down. But my argument all along has been when comparing consoles, the PC/360 games are exclusive to the 360 as the PS3 cannot play it.

I also understand this is system wars, but that does not mean every topic is about ALL systems.

So by the same token, if we're comparing the PS3 and Wii, we can call say, Assasin's Creed a PS3 exclusive?

Sure. I would have no poblem with that at all.  

you can say its exlusive to the 360 and PS3 yes.  Even it was on the PC you could say the same thing because a PC is not a console, end of story.

The fact that you are dual booting means that you are running windows. Therefore MS made money on your purchase. LOL. Pretty much anyone building a gaming rig, is going to put Windows on there. So MS is making money off PC games, although not directly.

snyper1982

Than you would have to give credit to AMD, ASUS, Corsair, ATI, and Logitech for owning PC Gaming as well, as they are my other components. That's silly. This year, I bought STALKER, Supcom, C&C3, Vampires TM, Gothic 3....please explain how MS made any money on these games, or "owned" them in any way shape or form. I purchased XP back in 2001, so the initial investment of 100 dollars does not constitute MS owning the PC gaming market. That is a ridiculous statement. I use XP for everything, not just gaming, so in your mind, MS owns:

Bill Paying

All internet sites, including GS since I come here often on my XP machine

Online Banking

MP3 encoding

The act of listening to music and podcasts

The act of watching videos and vodcasts

Spreadsheets and every document you create on an XP machine

etc..etc...

You are free to think what you want, and no ones going to stop you, but that's not to say you don't look silly. Just because MS has a monopoly on the OS biz doesn't mean they own the subset markets.

So by the same token, if we're comparing the PS3 and Wii, we can call say, Assasin's Creed a PS3 exclusive? 

Danm_999

Why not? The debate would be PS3 vs Wii. AC would be an exclusive for the PS3. Just like Manhunt 2 would be exclusive for the Wii.

You won't play those game on the opposing console.

Cows just need to stop hiding behind the PC.

[QUOTE="snyper1982"]

The fact that you are dual booting means that you are running windows. Therefore MS made money on your purchase. LOL. Pretty much anyone building a gaming rig, is going to put Windows on there. So MS is making money off PC games, although not directly.

mismajor99

Than you would have to give credit to AMD, ASUS, Corsair, ATI, and Logitech for owning PC Gaming as well, as they are my other components. That's silly. This year, I bought STALKER, Supcom, C&C3, Vampires TM, Gothic 3....please explain how MS made any money on these games, or "owned" them in any way shape or form. I purchased XP back in 2001, so the initial investment of 100 dollars does not constitute MS owning the PC gaming market. That is a ridiculous statement. I use XP for everything, not just gaming, so in your mind, MS owns:

Bill Paying

All internet sites, including GS since I come here often on my XP machine

Online Banking

MP3 encoding

The act of listening to music and podcasts

The act of watching videos and vodcasts

Spreadsheets and every document you create on an XP machine

etc..etc...

You are free to think what you want, and no ones going to stop you, but that's not to say you don't look silly. Just because MS has a monopoly on the OS biz doesn't mean they own the subset markets.

LOL. This is funny. It is like talking to wall. Obviously someone building a new GAMING PC, is going to out windows on it. So like I said, MS makes money through PC gaming, though not directly. The other components, are totally different, as there are MANY different manufacturers, but MS is the only one to release windows. Anyways, continue to ignore the point I am trying to get accross, as I am used to it as this is after all system wars.

Also, "profiting" off of and "owning" something are completely seperate ideas, it's not very hard to understand.mismajor99

I don't mean they literally own the PC gaming market. When I say that, I mean they completely dominate it....

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]Also, "profiting" off of and "owning" something are completely seperate ideas, it's not very hard to understand.snyper1982

I don't mean they literally own the PC gaming market. When I say that, I mean they completely dominate it....

LOL. This is funny. It is like talking to wall. Obviously someone building a new GAMING PC, is going to out windows on it. So like I said, MS makes money through PC gaming, though not directly. 

snyper1982

[QUOTE="snyper1982"]

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]Also, "profiting" off of and "owning" something are completely seperate ideas, it's not very hard to understand.mismajor99

I don't mean they literally own the PC gaming market. When I say that, I mean they completely dominate it....

Are you seriously saying that MS does not completely dominate the Desktop OS market? Are you also saying that any time someone builds a gaming rig, that they are not going to install a MS OS on it? How retarded. 

[QUOTE="snyper1982"]

LOL. This is funny. It is like talking to wall. Obviously someone building a new GAMING PC, is going to out windows on it. So like I said, MS makes money through PC gaming, though not directly.

Hewkii

Hahaha. You can't come up with anything logical, so you through out a completely specious argument. Sorry pal, aint gonna work. You know for a fact that I am right. That vast majority of people when building a gaming rig are going to put an MS OS on said rig. Therefore MS is making money off of gaming indirectly. Your argument makes me wonder if you even know what that means.... as well as being so rediculously stupid that I nearly LOL'ed here at work. 

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="snyper1982"]

LOL. This is funny. It is like talking to wall. Obviously someone building a new GAMING PC, is going to out windows on it. So like I said, MS makes money through PC gaming, though not directly.

snyper1982

Hahaha. You can't come up with anything logical, so you through out a completely specious argument. Sorry pal, aint gonna work. You know for a fact that I am right. That vast majority of people when building a gaming rig are going to put an MS OS on said rig. Therefore MS is making money off of gaming indirectly. Your argument makes me wonder if you even know what that means.... as well as being so rediculously stupid that I nearly LOL'ed here at work. 

[QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="snyper1982"]

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]Also, "profiting" off of and "owning" something are completely seperate ideas, it's not very hard to understand.snyper1982

I don't mean they literally own the PC gaming market. When I say that, I mean they completely dominate it....

Are you seriously saying that MS does not completely dominate the Desktop OS market? Are you also saying that any time someone builds a gaming rig, that they are not going to install a MS OS on it? How retarded.

Are you completely denying that Intel owns 80% of the CPU market? Therefore, by your logic, they own PC gaming too. An OS is needed for a system to operate, just as any of the other parts are needed. Just because MS almost has a monoply in the OS market, doesn't mean they own PC gaming. I don't know what's so complicated here. 

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="snyper1982"]

LOL. This is funny. It is like talking to wall. Obviously someone building a new GAMING PC, is going to out windows on it. So like I said, MS makes money through PC gaming, though not directly.

snyper1982

Hahaha. You can't come up with anything logical, so you through out a completely specious argument. Sorry pal, aint gonna work. You know for a fact that I am right. That vast majority of people when building a gaming rig are going to put an MS OS on said rig. Therefore MS is making money off of gaming indirectly. Your argument makes me wonder if you even know what that means.... as well as being so rediculously stupid that I nearly LOL'ed here at work.

And the vast majority of gamers will also use an AMD or Intel CPU.......you have no point here, k bud? 

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="snyper1982"]

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]Also, "profiting" off of and "owning" something are completely seperate ideas, it's not very hard to understand.trix5817

I don't mean they literally own the PC gaming market. When I say that, I mean they completely dominate it....

Are you seriously saying that MS does not completely dominate the Desktop OS market? Are you also saying that any time someone builds a gaming rig, that they are not going to install a MS OS on it? How retarded.

Are you completely denying that Intel owns 80% of the CPU market? Therefore, by your logic, they own PC gaming too. An OS is needed for a system to operate, just as any of the other parts are needed. Just because MS almost has a monoply in the OS market, doesn't mean they own PC gaming. I don't know what's so complicated here.

Oh God.... Another specious argument. why am I not surprised.... You can use AMD instead of Intel(as a matter of fact, since we are talking about PC gaming here, I would be willing to bet that the ratio is much closer when people are building new rigs), but in order to play PC games, you pretty much HAVE to have windows. I will go out on a limb and say this, any PC gamer uses windows, period. There is nothing complicated. You guys just love to argue.... I already said they don't literaly own the PC gaming market. 

When people said Sony owned the console gaming market last gen, do you think they mean they literally ownsed it? Why is this even an issue? You know I mean that MS owns the PC gaming market, in the same way that Sony owned the console gaming market last gen.... You are just looking for something to argue about, and not doing a very good job of it at that.

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LOL. This is funny. It is like talking to wall. Obviously someone building a new GAMING PC, is going to out windows on it. So like I said, MS makes money through PC gaming, though not directly.

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Hahaha. You can't come up with anything logical, so you through out a completely specious argument. Sorry pal, aint gonna work. You know for a fact that I am right. That vast majority of people when building a gaming rig are going to put an MS OS on said rig. Therefore MS is making money off of gaming indirectly. Your argument makes me wonder if you even know what that means.... as well as being so rediculously stupid that I nearly LOL'ed here at work.

And the vast majority of gamers will also use an AMD or Intel CPU.......you have no point here, k bud?

But you can use Intel or AMD right? You can also use ATi(AMD) or Nvidia as well. Yeah, thought so. The only constant I see is that a PC gamer is for SURE going to use windows....