If its on PC/360 is it exclusive?

Erm, "Designed for MS Windows". For example, Microsoft defined a high performance timer on Vista enabled PCs. Microsoft also defines ACPI and power management tables. Lintel has to emulate Windows ACPI calls or they'll (Linux) gets broken ACPI tables. The "designed for MS Windows" logo is not just for show. ronvalencia

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]Customers purchasing ATI's earlier wintel GPUs helped with development of Xenos and ultimately ATI's R600. X86/X64 PC and Microsoft has a symbiosis relationship. There is one word to remember in the PC industry i.e. "Wintel". AMD64's development has the support of Microsoft i.e. AMD's "SledgeHammer" (codename for K8 processors) and Microsoft Windows "Anvil" ( codename for Windows X64 edition). Note the relationship between a hammer and an anvil. This is the X86-to-X64 path. One the reasons why PowerPC 620 died are due to Microsoft's lack of support for X86-to-POWER64 path. foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]Erm, "Designed for MS Windows". For example, Microsoft defined a high performance timer on Vista enabled PCs. Microsoft also defines ACPI and power management tables. Lintel has to emulate Windows ACPI calls or they'll (Linux) gets broken ACPI tables. The "designed for MS Windows" logo is not just for show. foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]Erm, "Designed for MS Windows". For example, Microsoft defined a high performance timer on Vista enabled PCs. Microsoft also defines ACPI and power management tables. Lintel has to emulate Windows ACPI calls or they'll (Linux) gets broken ACPI tables. The "designed for MS Windows" logo is not just for show. foxhound_fox

but they control the "games for windows" platform, and thats what we are discussing, we are not talkin about ALL 360/PC multiplats because not all of them are games for windowsnavyguy21

Is it exclusive? No. Is it console exclusive? Yes. As much as some on here try to act like console exclusive games do not matter they are just wrong. When the average person goes into a store to buy a console he will look at price where the 360 wins. He will also look at game library and the 360 wins there also. Console exclusive games help make one game library better then the other. PS3 and the 360 are going against each other more then the other systems since the other 2 go for a different crowd. I am not saying the PC or Wii are bad in anyway but over all it is a different crowd then the PS3 and the 360. The 360 just has far more games then the PS3 and one of the reasons is the console exclusive games.rybe1025

Sorry that "console exclusive" term is bs dude. Its either exclusive or not. If I can get the same gameplay experiance its the same thing.

I like the term console exclusive. After all you only get to play it on the 360 and not on the PS3 and Wii.haris12121212

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]Customers purchasing ATI's earlier wintel GPUs helped with development of Xenos and ultimately ATI's R600. X86/X64 PC and Microsoft has a symbiosis relationship. There is one word to remember in the PC industry i.e. "Wintel". AMD64's development has the support of Microsoft i.e. AMD's "SledgeHammer" (codename for K8 processors) and Microsoft Windows "Anvil" ( codename for Windows X64 edition). Note the relationship between a hammer and an anvil. This is the X86-to-X64 path. One the reasons why PowerPC 620 died are due to Microsoft's lack of support for X86-to-POWER64 path. ronvalencia

This still doesn't change anything. Those tools are going to be used for all games. MS does not benefit directly from any game. They do of coarse benefit from games on windows, because without games, many people would have no reason for using windows, they couldnt use new windows launches to force upgrades, etc. But that still does not change the fact none of these games are either 360 or PC exclusive.

Well PC and consoles aren't direct competitors just like consoles and handhelds aren't direct competitors.Zero5000X

Well PC and consoles aren't direct competitors just like consoles and handhelds aren't direct competitors.Zero5000X

Well yes there are, since I can choses a multiplate game from either system.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]but they control the "games for windows" platform, and thats what we are discussing, we are not talkin about ALL 360/PC multiplats because not all of them are games for windowsfoxhound_fox

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]Is it exclusive? No. Is it console exclusive? Yes. As much as some on here try to act like console exclusive games do not matter they are just wrong. When the average person goes into a store to buy a console he will look at price where the 360 wins. He will also look at game library and the 360 wins there also. Console exclusive games help make one game library better then the other. PS3 and the 360 are going against each other more then the other systems since the other 2 go for a different crowd. I am not saying the PC or Wii are bad in anyway but over all it is a different crowd then the PS3 and the 360. The 360 just has far more games then the PS3 and one of the reasons is the console exclusive games.finalfantasy94

Sorry that "console exclusive" term is bs dude. Its either exclusive or not.

Calm down dude lol, i never said they control PC gaming lol, i just find it kinda crazy for people not to count Mass Effect, Gears 1, and any other exclusive published by Microsoft, i mean i can understand not counting the other PC games, even if they ARE games for window, because like you said, its on another platform, so my question to you is, what about the ones published by microsoft???navyguy21

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]but they control the "games for windows" platform, and thats what we are discussing, we are not talkin about ALL 360/PC multiplats because not all of them are games for windowsnavyguy21

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
"Games for Windows?" You mean that attempt by Microsoft to buy their way into a PC gaming monopoly that failed a long time ago?

Microsoft does not exercise any sort of control over PC gaming. Even if they did, the game is still on two separate and distinct platforms, thus making it "multiplatform."

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. On Gamecube and Wii. Nintendo first-party exclusive IP, but a multiplatform release title.EVOLV3

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]Calm down dude lol, i never said they control PC gaming lol, i just find it kinda crazy for people not to count Mass Effect, Gears 1, and any other exclusive published by Microsoft, i mean i can understand not counting the other PC games, even if they ARE games for window, because like you said, its on another platform, so my question to you is, what about the ones published by microsoft???navyguy21

Available on more then one platform means its not exclusive. The only argument that could be given is that the platforms that get this game compared to the platforms that aren't getting the game have better multiplats and possibly a superior library.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

This isnt "Publishing Wars or Company Wars". Its system wars, a system is the PC, PS3, 360, Wii etc etc. A Game on 2 systems is multiplat.EVOLV3

ok, so do you think they should be mentioned when comparing 360 and PS3??navyguy21

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] lol ok, dont get so defensive lol, it was just a question dude lol. navyguy21

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

Im just tired of people trying to exclude the PC in system wars or try to state that a game is exclusive when its on the 360/PC even after the Mods and Admins have said otherwise http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25865702EVOLV3

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]ok, so do you think they should be mentioned when comparing 360 and PS3??navyguy21

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

No, when people compare 360 and PS3 lineups its usually exclusives, and a game on the 360/PC is multiplatform.

It all comes down to: Can I Buy this game on 2 or more platforms? 2+ platforms = Multiplatform.EVOLV3

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] im not talkin about exclusives, im talkin about just debating games period, when listing games available on that platform now, or future titles.navyguy21

If its on PC / 360 is it exclusive?

Yes it is because PC and 360 are both Microsoft related.

so what you're asking is whether multiplatform games are exclusiveMarloStanfield

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

Im just tired of people trying to exclude the PC in system wars or try to state that a game is exclusive when its on the 360/PC even after the Mods and Admins have said otherwise http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25865702EVOLV3

Which of course is the 'problem' and why we have to endure these same definitional threads over and over again. Because some fanboys wish to reduce comparisons to only exclusives, which in and of itself is meaningless since it doesn't really address consumer behaviour in the real world.

Yeah, it's exclusive by SW standards. Who cares?

Personally I don't care. SW's exclusive definition is fine by me, because I am not too concerned about false comparisons of game libraries and correspondingly false assumptions about what that means to consumer behaviour.

It is all just designed to make everything reasonably fair and neutral in SWs, which is fine. But of course, life is not that simple in the real world.

If its on PC / 360 is it exclusive?

Yes it is because PC and 360 are both Microsoft related.

EZs

Yet, one doesn't require anything from Microsoft in order to play.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

I dont see what it matters then, if your debating games available then your already including multiplatform games.EVOLV3

If its on PC / 360 is it exclusive?

Yes it is because PC and 360 are both Microsoft related.

EZs

Well people like to use ME and Alan wake against the PS3 either though their not exlcusiveAnimal-Mother

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]lol, we both know it doesnt work like that lol, you know that when multi games are being listed, people are quick to say "its on PC" lol, but ok navyguy21

Because this is SWs, not reality. See my post above. Of course it does count in terms of consumer behaviour in the real world, but SW isn't the real world.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]Well people like to use ME and Alan wake against the PS3 either though their not exlcusivefoxhound_fox

It's not exclusive. But it still gives the 360 an edge over the systems it's not on.bethwo

But It's not exclusive to 360, it can be played Via PC how can you use that in an exclusive arguementAnimal-Mother

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]Well people like to use ME and Alan wake against the PS3 either though their not exlcusiveAnimal-Mother

He isn't saying it is exclusive. He is saying it is multiplat but not on the PS3.

The hermits I understand. It's the cows that are the problem because they'll never acknowledge anything other than exclusives. Which is what your post is bordering on :)

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]But It's not exclusive to 360, it can be played Via PC how can you use that in an exclusive arguementfoxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
And they can. They are multiplatform titles that are not available on either the PS3 or Wii, which gives an advantage to anyone who owns a 360 or PC.SUD123456

He isn't saying it is exclusive. He is saying it is multiplat but not on the PS3.

The hermits I understand. It's the cows that are the problem because they'll never acknowledge anything other than exclusives. Which is what your post is bordering on :)

The hermits I understand. It's the cows that are the problem because they'll never acknowledge anything other than exclusives. Which is what your post is bordering on

SUD123456

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]But It's not exclusive to 360, it can be played Via PC how can you use that in an exclusive arguementAnimal-Mother

Yes and if it was a PC vs PS3, they would use the same argument. The game is simply not exclusive and you can play on another platforme.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

The hermits I understand. It's the cows that are the problem because they'll never acknowledge anything other than exclusives. Which is what your post is bordering on

Hewkii

No, cow as in rabid PS3 fan, acting oblivious to anything that isn't an exclusive.

Thought I made that clear.

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No, cow as in rabid PS3 fan, acting oblivious to anything that isn't an exclusive.

Thought I made that clear.

SUD123456