If its on PC/360 is it exclusive?

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#151 SUD123456
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No, cow as in rabid PS3 fan, acting oblivious to anything that isn't an exclusive.

Thought I made that clear.

Hewkii

you did, and I clarified it for you.

Sorry, but you didn't. You don't speak for me. If you have a question, pls feel free to ask for clarification.

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#152 PrinceofSarcasm
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I'm surprised anyone can even think that if a games is realsed for two diff platforms its exclusive.:roll: But thats fanboys for you
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#153 Hewkii
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Sorry, but you didn't.

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yes, I did. it's just that I didn't speak against your main point. had I, you would be accusing me of being a cow. cue denial.
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#154 SUD123456
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[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Sorry, but you didn't.

Hewkii

yes, I did. it's just that I didn't speak against your main point. had I, you would be accusing me of being a cow. cue denial.

They call that poisoning the well.

You can choose to express your view. Or not.

But never presume to speak for me or read my mind, pls.

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#155 Hewkii
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They call that poisoning the well.

You can choose to express your view. Or not.

But never presume to speak for me or read my mind.

SUD123456
I am expressing my view, just my view of your view.
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#156 EVOLV3
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[QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]lol, we both know it doesnt work like that lol, you know that when multi games are being listed, people are quick to say "its on PC" lol, but ok navyguy21


Because they are, thats why they are called multiplat. I dont know what your getting at.

im saying that people are creating threads that say 360 is dead next year because it has no games, and people list Alan Wake and a bunch of other PC/360 games, and people say "its not exclusive" yet its STILL coming out for 360, but you cant get it on PS3, so why cant it be mentioned?? No one ever said it was exclusive, yet people act like they dont count for some reason.



when people say 360 is dead in 2009, they mean in terms of exclusive. Both 360 and PS3 have alot of multiplat games coming in 2009.
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#157 navyguy21
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

Because they are, thats why they are called multiplat. I dont know what your getting at.EVOLV3
im saying that people are creating threads that say 360 is dead next year because it has no games, and people list Alan Wake and a bunch of other PC/360 games, and people say "its not exclusive" yet its STILL coming out for 360, but you cant get it on PS3, so why cant it be mentioned?? No one ever said it was exclusive, yet people act like they dont count for some reason.



when people say 360 is dead in 2009, they mean in terms of exclusive. Both 360 and PS3 have alot of multiplat games coming in 2009.

so woulnt the 360 have MORE since there are about 10 games that are 360/PC only on top of the exclusives??
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#158 EVOLV3
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[QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]im saying that people are creating threads that say 360 is dead next year because it has no games, and people list Alan Wake and a bunch of other PC/360 games, and people say "its not exclusive" yet its STILL coming out for 360, but you cant get it on PS3, so why cant it be mentioned?? No one ever said it was exclusive, yet people act like they dont count for some reason.navyguy21


when people say 360 is dead in 2009, they mean in terms of exclusive. Both 360 and PS3 have alot of multiplat games coming in 2009.

so woulnt the 360 have MORE since there are about 10 games that are 360/PC only on top of the exclusives??



Sure? I dont see how that really relates to the discussion of PC/360 games being called exclusive. People can list Alan Wake all they want, aslong as they realize its multiplat. My problem is people listing games like Mass Effect and Alan Wake exclusive, when infact they arent.
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#159 navyguy21
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

when people say 360 is dead in 2009, they mean in terms of exclusive. Both 360 and PS3 have alot of multiplat games coming in 2009.EVOLV3
so woulnt the 360 have MORE since there are about 10 games that are 360/PC only on top of the exclusives??



Sure? I dont see how that really relates to the discussion of PC/360 games being called exclusive. People can list Alan Wake all they want, aslong as they realize its multiplat. My problem is people listing games like Mass Effect and Alan Wake exclusive, when infact they arent.

ok, I agree
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#160 longshotgir
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If a game is on 360 and PC AND is published under Microsoft Games Studio, it's a Microsoft exclusive, therefore sony fanboys lose. Take that!B)
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#161 george999819
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The PS3 fans are extremely desperate since they only have 2 AAAE games (1 of which will soon no longer be exclusive) so they don't count Microsoft exclusives as exclusives in arguments. If it was Sony Windows then all the PS3 exclusives would go to PC as well, but the PS3 fans would still call them exclusives.

The 360 has 7 AAA Microsoft exclusives: Gears of War, Gears of War 2, Geometry Wars 2, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Forza 2, and Braid.

The PS3 has a pathetic 2 AAA Sony exclusives: MGS4, LittleBigPlanet (That will be down to 1 in 2009)

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#162 RyanShazam
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In my book since i don't give a **** about PC gaming it is exclusive.

When comparing a game PS3 vs 360. if the game is not on one of those consoles it is exclusive, but technically it is a multiplat.

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#163 joopyme
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63 fanboys confirmed! :P
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#164 foxhound_fox
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If a game is on 360 and PC AND is published under Microsoft Games Studio, it's a Microsoft exclusive, therefore sony fanboys lose. Take that!B)longshotgir

Unless those Sony fanboys own a PC capable of playing the game, then Microsoft loses a 360 sale.
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#165 McdonaIdsGuy
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Its not exclusive, but I hate how in SW people act like certain games don't exist if they are multiplat.blue_hazy_basic
Thats mostly fanboys from the ps side that love to ignore multiplats you know why ;)
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#166 h575309
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Boy is this a tired topic. what is there still to debate about this again?
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#167 PrinceofSarcasm
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63 fanboys confirmed! :Pjoopyme

sad but true. If a game is on more then one platform its not exclusive.

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#168 McdonaIdsGuy
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Cows can't still play the game,but they will use the ''my HIGH end rig'' card,i didn't know that high end rigs have playstation 3 logo on it :P.
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#169 3picuri3
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no exclusives will ever show which console is more powerful. i think multiplats are the only fair way to go tbh...

without adequate comparison there is no argument. simple stuff.

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#170 t3hTwinky
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Did you seriously just ask if something is on two systems, whether its exclusive.

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#171 3picuri3
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[QUOTE="longshotgir"]If a game is on 360 and PC AND is published under Microsoft Games Studio, it's a Microsoft exclusive, therefore sony fanboys lose. Take that!B)foxhound_fox

Unless those Sony fanboys own a PC capable of playing the game, then Microsoft loses a 360 sale.

i'm guessing you don't understand how licensing and publishing royalties work :P
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#172 foxhound_fox
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i'm guessing you don't understand how licensing and publishing royalties work :P3picuri3

Getting someone to buy a 360 to play your game is better than someone playing it on a PC that you don't see any profit from aside from the operating system. :P
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#173 MarloStanfield
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[QUOTE="MarloStanfield"]so what you're asking is whether multiplatform games are exclusiveAnimal-Mother
Well people like to use ME and Alan wake against the PS3 either though their not exlcusive

They're allowed to use those games against the PS3 because they're not on the PS3 They're nt allowed to say those games are exclusive because they're not
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#174 3picuri3
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"] i'm guessing you don't understand how licensing and publishing royalties work :Pfoxhound_fox

Getting someone to buy a 360 to play your game is better than someone playing it on a PC that you don't see any profit from aside from the operating system. :P

and what the hell does that have to do with the person you quoted :P

and do you really think MS makes money on consoles? they don't... it is a gateway for more purchases, but still.. little relevance given the post your replied to.

and, a little FYI here. purchasing an OS usually brings in more revenue than an entire derived 'attach rate' of games for the 360... just so you know. profit returns for OS sales, even OEM, TROUNCE console royalties / licensing fees.

there is no contest there. even if your computer shipped with Vista / XP MS makes more than they would from you buying a 360 + 4-6 games.

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#175 Steppy_76
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="MarloStanfield"]so what you're asking is whether multiplatform games are exclusiveMarloStanfield
Well people like to use ME and Alan wake against the PS3 either though their not exlcusive

They're allowed to use those games against the PS3 because they're not on the PS3 They're nt allowed to say those games are exclusive because they're not

I agree, but that's part of the problem. Cows ALWAYS frame any PS3 vs. 360 argument to exclusives and then apply that framed argument to the real world and dismissing those games entirely as positives for the 360, even though I'd wager MAYBE 20% of the target audience has a gaming PC. I can agree that PC/360 games aren't exclusive, but IMO we have to come up with a term to deliniate between games that are multiplats shared on all platforms within the scope of a discussion, and ones that aren't. Call them "semi exclusive", "console exclusive", "limited multiplat", or "spaghetti monsters" the label isn't important...the idea is what matters and hiding behind semantics doesn't change that, which is all cows are doing...hiding behind semantics.
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#176 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="longshotgir"]If a game is on 360 and PC AND is published under Microsoft Games Studio, it's a Microsoft exclusive, therefore sony fanboys lose. Take that!B)foxhound_fox

Unless those Sony fanboys own a PC capable of playing the game, then Microsoft loses a 360 sale.

If you are running a MS Windows based PC then Microsoft still wins. The two main cash cows for Microsoft (MSFT) are Office and OS business units. Revenues mostly coming from business customers. The dominate IDE (integrated development environment) is MS Visual Studio products and are mostly tied into Office and OS groups. From MS business products, it influences the home market. In terms of profitability, XBOX 360 is insignificant compared to Office and OS business units. The main driving force for Microsoft is "One Microsoft Way" regardless of the methods being used.
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#177 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"] i'm guessing you don't understand how licensing and publishing royalties work :Pfoxhound_fox

Getting someone to buy a 360 to play your game is better than someone playing it on a PC that you don't see any profit from aside from the operating system. :P

Ahem, MS Visual Studio Professional and above editions from game developers.
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#178 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]But It's not exclusive to 360, it can be played Via PC how can you use that in an exclusive arguementfoxhound_fox

Then don't have an exclusive discussion. Mass Effect not being on the PS3 hurts the PS3. Gears of War not being on the PS3 hurts the PS3. The 360 losing those two games to the PC hurts the 360.

Usually, it doesn't hurt the Xbox 360 since game developers can release the same game in staggered releases methods. If you release games in 1st of the year (H1) and second half of year (H2) modes, the game developers can maintain a near constant revenue stream from basically the same game. Case in point is "Gears of War".
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]But It's not exclusive to 360, it can be played Via PC how can you use that in an exclusive arguementronvalencia

Then don't have an exclusive discussion. Mass Effect not being on the PS3 hurts the PS3. Gears of War not being on the PS3 hurts the PS3. The 360 losing those two games to the PC hurts the 360.

Usually, it doesn't hurt the Xbox 360 since game developers can release the same game in staggered releases methods. If you release games in 1st of the year (H1) and second half of year (H2) modes, the game developers can maintain a near constant revenue stream from basically the same game. Case in point is "Gears of War".

Yet, not all multiplate games are released in different time periods... it's more of a minority.

And if the game is confirmed multiplat PC/X360 and will only later in the year release on PC, some people might not buy a X360 and just wait for the release of PC... wich in other words hurt sales for X360 as a gaming console revenue.

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#180 ronvalencia
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everything on consoles is an IBM exclusive.Hewkii
What makes Apple PC is it's OS and middleware. From Wintel programmer's standpoint, an ARM based Windows feels like Windows. The XBOX 360 is just another Microsoft CE device.
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#181 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Then don't have an exclusive discussion. Mass Effect not being on the PS3 hurts the PS3. Gears of War not being on the PS3 hurts the PS3. The 360 losing those two games to the PC hurts the 360.Bebi_vegeta

Usually, it doesn't hurt the Xbox 360 since game developers can release the same game in staggered releases methods. If you release games in 1st of the year (H1) and second half of year (H2) modes, the game developers can maintain a near constant revenue stream from basically the same game. Case in point is "Gears of War".

Yet, not all multiplate games are released in different time periods... it's more of a minority.

And if the game is confirmed multiplat PC/X360 and will only later in the year release on PC, some people might not buy a X360 and just wait for the release of PC... wich in other words hurt sales for X360 as a gaming console revenue.

It doesn't hurt Microsoft's important OS business group.

Note why subscription model exist i.e. constant revenue stream.

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#182 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Usually, it doesn't hurt the Xbox 360 since game developers can release the same game in staggered releases methods. If you release games in 1st of the year (H1) and second half of year (H2) modes, the game developers can maintain a near constant revenue stream from basically the same game. Case in point is "Gears of War".ronvalencia

Yet, not all multiplate games are released in different time periods... it's more of a minority.

And if the game is confirmed multiplat PC/X360 and will only later in the year release on PC, some people might not buy a X360 and just wait for the release of PC... wich in other words hurt sales for X360 as a gaming console revenue.

It doesn't hurt Microsoft's important OS business group.

Note why subscription model exist i.e. constant revenue stream.

I might use another OS... nothing attaches me to use Windows OS.

Subscription model?

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] i'm guessing you don't understand how licensing and publishing royalties work :P3picuri3


Getting someone to buy a 360 to play your game is better than someone playing it on a PC that you don't see any profit from aside from the operating system. :P

and what the hell does that have to do with the person you quoted :P

and do you really think MS makes money on consoles? they don't... it is a gateway for more purchases, but still.. little relevance given the post your replied to.

and, a little FYI here. purchasing an OS usually brings in more revenue than an entire derived 'attach rate' of games for the 360... just so you know. profit returns for OS sales, even OEM, TROUNCE console royalties / licensing fees.

there is no contest there. even if your computer shipped with Vista / XP MS makes more than they would from you buying a 360 + 4-6 games.

Except you already have paid for OS anyway, almost everybody did. It's necessary tool for any civilized household. So in reality when somebody is buying that game on PC vs buying it on 360 Microsoft looses potential 10$.
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#184 ArisShadows
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Exclusives = 1 System Multiplat = More than one. Console Exclusive = Don't exist Ta-da.
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#185 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="MarloStanfield"]so what you're asking is whether multiplatform games are exclusiveMarloStanfield
Well people like to use ME and Alan wake against the PS3 either though their not exlcusive

They're allowed to use those games against the PS3 because they're not on the PS3 They're nt allowed to say those games are exclusive because they're not

The problem is that lems still do and they seem to block out its on PC too.

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#186 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="EZs"]

If its on PC / 360 is it exclusive?

Yes it is because PC and 360 are both Microsoft related.

foxhound_fox

And what about Blizzard making StarCraft II for MAC as well as Windows-based PC's? How does someone buying that version of the game benefit MS?

Microsoft doesn't control the PC platform, only the 360. Either way, a game on more than one platform is multiplatform.

More titles on Microsoft's operating systems will enhance its desirability against alternative operating systems. This in turn leads to more MS Visual Studio Pro and above edition sales. Games on Windows leads to the demand for Wintel video cards, this in turn leads to NV, Intel and ATI targeting Direct3D GPUs. NV's OpenGL 3.0 was just after thought i.e. DX10 was first before NV releases a working OpenGL 3.0 drivers. NV and ATI then targets heavy math HPC market with their gaming video cards. The road kill products in the heavy math HPC market is STI's CELL and anyone else in that market. Since these GPUs drivers and middleware are mostly package for X86 this drags along Lintel and Wintel. This has some impact on high performance non-X86 processors ("old school" *nix vendors). The competition between NV and ATI to 6 month product releases. NV and ATI's products mostly targets Wintel. Repeat the cycle. It's a self sustaining ecosystem. The heart of the PC industry is Microsoft and Intel.
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#187 finalfantasy94
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The PS3 fans are extremely desperate since they only have 2 AAAE games (1 of which will soon no longer be exclusive) so they don't count Microsoft exclusives as exclusives in arguments. If it was Sony Windows then all the PS3 exclusives would go to PC as well, but the PS3 fans would still call them exclusives.

The 360 has 7 AAA Microsoft exclusives: Gears of War, Gears of War 2, Geometry Wars 2, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Forza 2, and Braid.

The PS3 has a pathetic 2 AAA Sony exclusives: MGS4, LittleBigPlanet (That will be down to 1 in 2009)

george999819

I love how you can see into the future. God wat a fanboy. Also you forgot resistance 2.

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#188 Rage010101
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its questions like this that make me wonder how we've gotten this far... :?
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#189 daveg1
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who cares.........really
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#190 Steppy_76
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Exclusives = 1 System Multiplat = More than one. Console Exclusive = Don't exist Ta-da. Regardless of what you ultimately label them, they DO exist. we all know what is meant by the term "console exclusive" regardless if it is an oxymoron. ArisShadows
If people would use a little common sense in their arguments we wouldn't even be having this discussion. We should do it like algebra. Take whatever platforms are being discussed and list all games available for each of them. Whatever games appear on ALL platforms being discussed "cancel out". Whatever is left is compared. It's a simple concept.

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#191 bf2nutta
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bu bu but World of Goo is a Wii/PC exclusive?!?!? errrrrrr lol
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Usually, it doesn't hurt the Xbox 360 since game developers can release the same game in staggered releases methods. If you release games in 1st of the year (H1) and second half of year (H2) modes, the game developers can maintain a near constant revenue stream from basically the same game. Case in point is "Gears of War".ronvalencia

Yet, not all multiplate games are released in different time periods... it's more of a minority.

And if the game is confirmed multiplat PC/X360 and will only later in the year release on PC, some people might not buy a X360 and just wait for the release of PC... wich in other words hurt sales for X360 as a gaming console revenue.

It doesn't hurt Microsoft's important OS business group.

Note why subscription model exist i.e. constant revenue stream.

^This Alan Wake is Games for Windows. Microsoft wins no matter what you buy Alan Wake for.
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#193 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Yet, not all multiplate games are released in different time periods... it's more of a minority.

And if the game is confirmed multiplat PC/X360 and will only later in the year release on PC, some people might not buy a X360 and just wait for the release of PC... wich in other words hurt sales for X360 as a gaming console revenue.

Shattered007

It doesn't hurt Microsoft's important OS business group.

Note why subscription model exist i.e. constant revenue stream.

^This Alan Wake is Games for Windows. Microsoft wins no matter what you buy Alan Wake for.

I don't see why Microsoft is a winner in the gaming departement... it would be like saying I have a PS3 to play games and a PC to surf the net, so Microsoft wins?

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#194 Captain__Tripps
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Yet, not all multiplate games are released in different time periods... it's more of a minority.

And if the game is confirmed multiplat PC/X360 and will only later in the year release on PC, some people might not buy a X360 and just wait for the release of PC... wich in other words hurt sales for X360 as a gaming console revenue.

Shattered007

It doesn't hurt Microsoft's important OS business group.

Note why subscription model exist i.e. constant revenue stream.

^This Alan Wake is Games for Windows. Microsoft wins no matter what you buy Alan Wake for.

A games for windows title isn't any really different than any other windows title, except it supports a couple things like 360 controller, ms doesn't really profit from it directly.

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#195 XanderZane
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Many people consider the PC/XBox 360 as one and the same platform, because they both use the same O/S that is manufactured by Microsoft. I don't consider the PC part of the same platform as the Wii, XBox 360, PS3, PSP, DS, etc.. for several reasons. 1) The PC was original created for business related work. It main purpose is for work and business related content. PC's main purpose was not for playing games. 2) PC's can be upgrade and modified at will. Game consoles can not. So they are not part of the same playform. 3) PC game compeition would be against the MAC or any other similar platform that's like the PC. You can't really compare consoles games with PC games, because console games are on a stagnant system that never changes.

This is why people say games are console exclusive, as the PC is not a game console. If the game can't be played on the Wii or PS3, it's exclusive to me.

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#196 fabz_95
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Its not exclusive but most lemmings act as if it is.
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#197 Shattered007
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[QUOTE="Shattered007"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

It doesn't hurt Microsoft's important OS business group.

Note why subscription model exist i.e. constant revenue stream.

Captain__Tripps

^This Alan Wake is Games for Windows. Microsoft wins no matter what you buy Alan Wake for.

A games for windows title isn't any really different than any other windows title, except it supports a couple things like 360 controller, ms doesn't really profit from it directly.

Let me start by saying that this is just public information and I'm putting 2 and 2 together but I highly doubt that Microsoft would post Games for Windows in there profit margin if it was not ment to earn money.

Microsoft posted a loss of $315 million for its Entertainment and Devices sector--which covers the Xbox unit, Microsoft Game Studios, Games for Windows, and Zune.

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#198 bf2nutta
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Quick thought Is WOW an exclusive since it can be played on Mac as well? I would say no
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#199 Shattered007
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[QUOTE="Shattered007"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

It doesn't hurt Microsoft's important OS business group.

Note why subscription model exist i.e. constant revenue stream.

Bebi_vegeta

^This Alan Wake is Games for Windows. Microsoft wins no matter what you buy Alan Wake for.

I don't see why Microsoft is a winner in the gaming departement... it would be like saying I have a PS3 to play games and a PC to surf the net, so Microsoft wins?

I've read this like 4 times and I don't understand it.

Also, Alan Wake=Microsoft Game Studios

Just incase you were talking about Alan Wake not helping Microsoft no mater what you buy it for.

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#200 Hewkii
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Let me start by saying that this is just public information and I'm putting 2 and 2 together but I highly doubt that Microsoft would post Games for Windows in there profit margin if it was not meant to earn money.Shattered007
quite the opposite, really. Microsoft paid these people to use certain elements in their games (widescreen, supports Vista & 64-bit systems, able to use 360 controller, etc).