If SuperBrawl and SuperMario galaxy were on 360 or PS3 they wouldnt be AAA.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]No, only difference would be graphics.SecretPolice

If so then forget I even asked the question as you would be in some very, very serious denial though I'm seeing allot of that in this thread and to be fair, in most threads in this forum. :?

GTA4 could actually be better on the Wii, since Godfather was better on the Wii, and Bully is better on the Wii. A GTA-type game could benefit greatly from the immersion provided by the motion controls.

Yeah, that phone is ringing and the pot is wanting to know why the kettle is saying these things. :P

[QUOTE="highlander0659"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="highlander0659"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

SMG GOTY. GOTY compares games across platforms regardless of score.

SMG won in most respected sites.

/thread

Ontain

Actaully, Call of Duty 4 won on most respectable websites. So you post fails... much like the Wii

IGN, GS, GT seem like the big ones to me. what sites are you talking about?

Gamespy, G4, Kotaku, Voodoo, UGO, EGM, GC, and countless other chose games other than SMG. That's who I'm talking about.

Kotaku had a 3 way tie. and SMG was in there. COD4 wasn't. UGO had Bioshock & COD4 tie.

and non of the others are as respected as willing GS and IGN.

G4, EGM, GameSpy, and UGO? Those sources are both laughable and mediocre.

I don't even know what the hell the rest are.

IGN, GS, and GameTrailers (and Edge) gave SMG GOTY. I think I'll go ahead and trust sources that are more reliable to me. ;)

some people just cant take the fact that the Wii has awesome games. whats the problem?

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]No, only difference would be graphics.jg4xchamp

If so then forget I even asked the question as you would be in some very, very serious denial though I'm seeing allot of that in this thread and to be fair, in most threads in this forum. :?

GTA4 could actually be better on the Wii, since Godfather was better on the Wii, and Bully is better on the Wii. A GTA-type game could benefit greatly from the immersion provided by the motion controls.

Yeah, that phone is ringing and the pot is wanting to know why the kettle is saying these things. :P

They aren't giving the Wii a handicap, they're rating the games graphically in regards to what the system is capable of.Tylendal

Uh........handi-cap,

SMG GOTY. GOTY compares games across platforms regardless of score.

Ontain

Just makes me question the GOTY award on those sites. Cause....guess what?........... I don't agree. See how that works?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt here, and assume that you are honestly wanting to debate this, and that you are not some sort of troll. Doing so, I will politely inform you that the subject has been done to death here and that every Wii owner is quite frankly sick of this being used as a contra Wii argument by trolls. So I would advise you to thread lightly, because people are going to eat you up for this.Arsuz

^ Pot calling the kettle black.

I think Wii-owners need to realize how correct the TC's statement is. There is no way that a PS3/360 game can be knocked in review score due to graphical issues and not have the Wii receive a handicap. Because if there were no handicap, every Wii game would get a mediocre to awful score due to graphics. Everyone knows the Wii's graphics are inferior. So I'm not sure why Wii-fans even argue against this.

I also think Wii-owners need to take it down a notch. This whole week has been one Wii thread after another with soem gamer with a big head talking out of his arse about sales or quantity of AAA's.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]No, only difference would be graphics.SecretPolice

If so then forget I even asked the question as you would be in some very, very serious denial though I'm seeing allot of that in this thread and to be fair, in most threads in this forum. :?

GTA4 could actually be better on the Wii, since Godfather was better on the Wii, and Bully is better on the Wii. A GTA-type game could benefit greatly from the immersion provided by the motion controls.

Yeah, that phone is ringing and the pot is wanting to know why the kettle is saying these things. :P

Hey, show me where I'm wrong. Go to any review site. They'll say that ALL of those GTA-type open-ended mission games benefited from the Wii remote. Why can't GTA4 benefit as well? Graphics are already known to be a minor part of the game experience. How many times have we seen reviewers say, "This game has great graphics, but...."? Genji, Army of Two, Lair, etc.

Unless you can show me SPECIFICALLY how GTA4 actually benefits from being on the 360 and PS3 other than in graphical detail, I think my statement is still perfectly valid.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]They aren't giving the Wii a handicap, they're rating the games graphically in regards to what the system is capable of.The_Dan_K

Uh........handi-cap,

Not a handicap. Graphics are rarely taken into consideration in the final score anymore, so there's no handicap. Usually reviewers just rate "Overall Presentation" now, i.e. how good a game looks regardless of its technical achievement.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I believe the Wii gets a pass on certain elements. Things the other two couldn't get away with. jangojay

The Wii doesn't get any pass. If a certain quality about the Wii doesn't interfere with having an enjoyable game experience, then it's not an important quality.

Look @ gs and GT reviews of SSBB... they don't include story at all. They mention subspace as an addon when infact Nitty intended it to be a big part of the game... you can see how much detail was put into cutscenes etc yet subspace is subpar and they call it an addon instead of a lacking singleplayer :S .

I thought that Subspace Emisarry was fun. I liked it a lot. The cutscenes are gorgeous and are often hilarious (the one with Luigi and Dedede, as well as Captain Falcon and Olimar come to mind), and while the story is a bit convoluted and the platforming segments are kind of boring, it's overall a great addition to the Smash games.

I don't think that any of the Smash veterans really thought SSE would be a huge part of Smash. Online multiplayer and others are much more important. I'm positive that even without SSE, SSBB would still be an AAA game on GameSpot. There is simply so many more features added into Brawl that make up for the alright SSE game that I just think that Sakurai has created the best game ever.

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I believe the Wii gets a pass on certain elements. Things the other two couldn't get away with. princeofshapeir

The Wii doesn't get any pass. If a certain quality about the Wii doesn't interfere with having an enjoyable game experience, then it's not an important quality.

Look @ gs and GT reviews of SSBB... they don't include story at all. They mention subspace as an addon when infact Nitty intended it to be a big part of the game... you can see how much detail was put into cutscenes etc yet subspace is subpar and they call it an addon instead of a lacking singleplayer :S .

I thought that Subspace Emisarry was fun. I liked it a lot. The cutscenes are gorgeous and are often hilarious (the one with Luigi and Dedede, as well as Captain Falcon and Olimar come to mind), and while the story is a bit convoluted and the platforming segments are kind of boring, it's overall a great addition to the Smash games.

I don't think that any of the Smash veterans really thought SSE would be a huge part of Smash. Online multiplayer and others are much more important. I'm positive that even without SSE, SSBB would still be an AAA game on GameSpot. There is simply so many more features added into Brawl that make up for the alright SSE game that I just think that Sakurai has created the best game ever.

I know I loved some of the cutscenes, but I didn't like subspace too much. But what I find funny was the fact that reviewers think that this was *Just an addon* when obviously it wasn't. Too much detail was put in for that.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]They aren't giving the Wii a handicap, they're rating the games graphically in regards to what the system is capable of.The_Dan_K

Uh........handi-cap,

SMG GOTY. GOTY compares games across platforms regardless of score.

Ontain

Just makes me question the GOTY award on those sites. Cause....guess what?........... I don't agree. See how that works?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt here, and assume that you are honestly wanting to debate this, and that you are not some sort of troll. Doing so, I will politely inform you that the subject has been done to death here and that every Wii owner is quite frankly sick of this being used as a contra Wii argument by trolls. So I would advise you to thread lightly, because people are going to eat you up for this.Arsuz

^ Pot calling the kettle black.

I think Wii-owners need to realize how correct the TC's statement is. There is no way that a PS3/360 game can be knocked in review score due to graphical issues and not have the Wii receive a handicap. Because if there were no handicap, every Wii game would get a mediocre to awful score due to graphics. Everyone knows the Wii's graphics are inferior. So I'm not sure why Wii-fans even argue against this.

I also think Wii-owners need to take it down a notch. This whole week has been one Wii thread after another with soem gamer with a big head talking out of his arse about sales or quantity of AAA's.

keep your opinions to yourself. plus the sheep love sticking it to the cows since they made fun of the wii for lack of quality games, yet has more AAA games than the ps3. plus you can get all of the ps3's AAA games on the 360.

ps3 has games, but the Wii has HIGHER quality games. some cows just cant face it and go on a rampage of ridiculous fanboy comments.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I believe the Wii gets a pass on certain elements. Things the other two couldn't get away with. jangojay

The Wii doesn't get any pass. If a certain quality about the Wii doesn't interfere with having an enjoyable game experience, then it's not an important quality.

Look @ gs and GT reviews of SSBB... they don't include story at all. They mention subspace as an addon when infact Nitty intended it to be a big part of the game... you can see how much detail was put into cutscenes etc yet subspace is subpar and they call it an addon instead of a lacking singleplayer :S .

Nintendo intended it to be a big part of the game? Bull. This is SMASH BROS. Nintendo more than anyone knows the difference between multiplayer-centric and singleplayer-centric games. The only reason Subspace Emissary has such great cutscenes is because Nintendo ALWAYS puts that much attention to detail.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]No, only difference would be graphics.SecretPolice

If so then forget I even asked the question as you would be in some very, very serious denial though I'm seeing allot of that in this thread and to be fair, in most threads in this forum. :?

GTA4 could actually be better on the Wii, since Godfather was better on the Wii, and Bully is better on the Wii. A GTA-type game could benefit greatly from the immersion provided by the motion controls.

Yeah, that phone is ringing and the pot is wanting to know why the kettle is saying these things. :P

I think Wii-owners need to realize how correct the TC's statement is. There is no way that a PS3/360 game can be knocked in review score due to graphical issues and not have the Wii receive a handicap. Because if there were no handicap, every Wii game would get a mediocre to awful score due to graphics. Everyone knows the Wii's graphics are inferior. So I'm not sure why Wii-fans even argue against this.

I also think Wii-owners need to take it down a notch. This whole week has been one Wii thread after another with soem gamer with a big head talking out of his arse about sales or quantity of AAA's.

This handicap obviously exists for PS3 and 360 in relation to PC games as well.

[QUOTE="The_Dan_K"]

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]They aren't giving the Wii a handicap, they're rating the games graphically in regards to what the system is capable of.mjarantilla

Uh........handi-cap,

Not a handicap. Graphics are rarely taken into consideration in the final score anymore, so there's no handicap. Usually reviewers just rate "Overall Presentation" now, i.e. how good a game looks regardless of its technical achievement.

OMG. If graphics aren't taken into consideration, why do 360 and PS3 titles get knocked for graphical issues? If graphics aren't taken into consideration anywhere it the Wii!!!!

Definition of handicap: a system used to equalize the abilities of differently skilled players for....... OR A number allotted to a player which reflects their ability or relative ability. It allows them to complete on an equal footing with other players

Seems to fit quite well with seeing the Wii's inability to do HD graphics and not taking that into consideration when review the game like it is when others are. It's called a handicap.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]No, only difference would be graphics.jg4xchamp

If so then forget I even asked the question as you would be in some very, very serious denial though I'm seeing allot of that in this thread and to be fair, in most threads in this forum. :?

GTA4 could actually be better on the Wii, since Godfather was better on the Wii, and Bully is better on the Wii. A GTA-type game could benefit greatly from the immersion provided by the motion controls.

Yeah, that phone is ringing and the pot is wanting to know why the kettle is saying these things. :P

since the Wii has been getting awesome games, they have less and less to complain about. now they just nitpick and give a bunch of IF scenarios

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]No, only difference would be graphics.mjarantilla

If so then forget I even asked the question as you would be in some very, very serious denial though I'm seeing allot of that in this thread and to be fair, in most threads in this forum. :?

GTA4 could actually be better on the Wii, since Godfather was better on the Wii, and Bully is better on the Wii. A GTA-type game could benefit greatly from the immersion provided by the motion controls.

Yeah, that phone is ringing and the pot is wanting to know why the kettle is saying these things. :P

Hey, show me where I'm wrong. Go to any review site. They'll say that ALL of those GTA-type open-ended mission games benefited from the Wii remote. Why can't GTA4 benefit as well? Graphics are already known to be a minor part of the game experience. How many times have we seen reviewers say, "This game has great graphics, but...."? Genji, Army of Two, Lair, etc.

Unless you can show me SPECIFICALLY how GTA4 actually benefits from being on the 360 and PS3 other than in graphical detail, I think my statement is still perfectly valid.

Really, let them know just how easy it would be and how They, not you, don't know how to make money when publishing games. and to get on dev. to just do it. - I mean it's only the grx ! :roll:

They aren't giving the Wii a handicap, they're rating the games graphically in regards to what the system is capable of.Tylendal

Isn't what you just type there an oxymoron

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

SMG GOTY. GOTY compares games across platforms regardless of score.

The_Dan_K

Just makes me question the GOTY award on those sites. Cause....guess what?........... I don't agree. See how that works?

you should question every site then since SMG is at least a nominee pretty much every GOTY lineup. that would still indicate it would score well.

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I believe the Wii gets a pass on certain elements. Things the other two couldn't get away with. mjarantilla

The Wii doesn't get any pass. If a certain quality about the Wii doesn't interfere with having an enjoyable game experience, then it's not an important quality.

Look @ gs and GT reviews of SSBB... they don't include story at all. They mention subspace as an addon when infact Nitty intended it to be a big part of the game... you can see how much detail was put into cutscenes etc yet subspace is subpar and they call it an addon instead of a lacking singleplayer :S .

Nintendo intended it to be a big part of the game? Bull. This is SMASH BROS. Nintendo more than anyone knows the difference between multiplayer-centric and singleplayer-centric games. The only reason Subspace Emissary has such great cutscenes is because Nintendo ALWAYS puts that much attention to detail.

Yea I mean the single player in the other two had so much detail :roll: . Spending so much time on money on something you think is an addon is wasteful and unnecessary. The amount of quailty put into the subspace.... 8 hours of it is more than enough to make the statement that nitty tried to make this a big thing in the game. Fact is subspace is really repetitive and I am only doing it to get all the characters...

keep your opinions to yourself. plus the sheep love sticking it to the cows since they made fun of the wii for lack of quality games, yet has more AAA games than the ps3. plus you can get all of the ps3's AAA games on the 360.

ps3 has games, but the Wii has HIGHER quality games. some cows just cant face it and go on a rampage of ridiculous fanboy comments.

ogvampire

Take your own advice buddy.

Read my statement again. I did not just throw out opinion. IT IS A FACT THAT THE WII CANNNOT DO THE GRAPHICS 360/PS3 CAN. IT IS ALSO A FACT THAT, THAT FACT IS IGNORED WHEN REVIEWING WII GAMES!!!

[QUOTE="Arsuz"]I will give you the benefit of the doubt here, and assume that you are honestly wanting to debate this, and that you are not some sort of troll. Doing so, I will politely inform you that the subject has been done to death here and that every Wii owner is quite frankly sick of this being used as a contra Wii argument by trolls. So I would advise you to thread lightly, because people are going to eat you up for this.The_Dan_K

^ Pot calling the kettle black.

I think Wii-owners need to realize how correct the TC's statement is. There is no way that a PS3/360 game can be knocked in review score due to graphical issues and not have the Wii receive a handicap. Because if there were no handicap, every Wii game would get a mediocre to awful score due to graphics. Everyone knows the Wii's graphics are inferior. So I'm not sure why Wii-fans even argue against this.

I also think Wii-owners need to take it down a notch. This whole week has been one Wii thread after another with soem gamer with a big head talking out of his arse about sales or quantity of AAA's.

Ehm what? What did I say that made you assume I'm trolling :|

And do you think that Uncharted would score less if it was on the PC since it can't compare to Crysis?

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I believe the Wii gets a pass on certain elements. Things the other two couldn't get away with. jangojay

The Wii doesn't get any pass. If a certain quality about the Wii doesn't interfere with having an enjoyable game experience, then it's not an important quality.

Look @ gs and GT reviews of SSBB... they don't include story at all. They mention subspace as an addon when infact Nitty intended it to be a big part of the game... you can see how much detail was put into cutscenes etc yet subspace is subpar and they call it an addon instead of a lacking singleplayer :S .

I thought that Subspace Emisarry was fun. I liked it a lot. The cutscenes are gorgeous and are often hilarious (the one with Luigi and Dedede, as well as Captain Falcon and Olimar come to mind), and while the story is a bit convoluted and the platforming segments are kind of boring, it's overall a great addition to the Smash games.

I don't think that any of the Smash veterans really thought SSE would be a huge part of Smash. Online multiplayer and others are much more important. I'm positive that even without SSE, SSBB would still be an AAA game on GameSpot. There is simply so many more features added into Brawl that make up for the alright SSE game that I just think that Sakurai has created the best game ever.

I know I loved some of the cutscenes, but I didn't like subspace too much. But what I find funny was the fact that reviewers think that this was *Just an addon* when obviously it wasn't. Too much detail was put in for that.

hellhund

This handicap obviously exists for PS3 and 360 in relation to PC games as well.

Oblivion scoring higher on 360 version was not because it was capable of better visuals. Or do you mean some other game?

This handicap obviously exists for PS3 and 360 in relation to PC games as well.

hellhund

so true. any multiplat can look better on pc's because they can run on high resolutions and with most AA turned on. you can play a controller if you want as well.

[QUOTE="The_Dan_K"]

[QUOTE="Arsuz"]I will give you the benefit of the doubt here, and assume that you are honestly wanting to debate this, and that you are not some sort of troll. Doing so, I will politely inform you that the subject has been done to death here and that every Wii owner is quite frankly sick of this being used as a contra Wii argument by trolls. So I would advise you to thread lightly, because people are going to eat you up for this.Arsuz

^ Pot calling the kettle black.

I think Wii-owners need to realize how correct the TC's statement is. There is no way that a PS3/360 game can be knocked in review score due to graphical issues and not have the Wii receive a handicap. Because if there were no handicap, every Wii game would get a mediocre to awful score due to graphics. Everyone knows the Wii's graphics are inferior. So I'm not sure why Wii-fans even argue against this.

I also think Wii-owners need to take it down a notch. This whole week has been one Wii thread after another with soem gamer with a big head talking out of his arse about sales or quantity of AAA's.

Ehm what? What did I say that made you assume I'm trolling :|

And do you think that Uncharted would score less if it was on the PC since it can't compare to Crysis?

You were trolling him. And you started out by halfway calling him a troll but saying you weren't calling him a troll. And then ended it again with calling him a troll. It was lame. And you never really made a point.

No, Uncharted wouldn't have scored less. Because Uncharted's graphics are, at least, on par with PC graphics. They may not be Crysis but what is, besides Crysis? The point is that Wii graphics are an entire generation away from what the PS3 and 360 offer in pure graphics and their native quality and size.

[QUOTE="hellhund"]

This handicap obviously exists for PS3 and 360 in relation to PC games as well.

PullTheTricker

Oblivion scoring higher on 360 version was not because it was capable of better visuals. Or do you mean some other game?

that's what he means. if the wii is getting a "handcap" then so are the other consoles in relation to pc.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I believe the Wii gets a pass on certain elements. Things the other two couldn't get away with. jangojay

The Wii doesn't get any pass. If a certain quality about the Wii doesn't interfere with having an enjoyable game experience, then it's not an important quality.

Look @ gs and GT reviews of SSBB... they don't include story at all. They mention subspace as an addon when infact Nitty intended it to be a big part of the game... you can see how much detail was put into cutscenes etc yet subspace is subpar and they call it an addon instead of a lacking singleplayer :S .

Nintendo intended it to be a big part of the game? Bull. This is SMASH BROS. Nintendo more than anyone knows the difference between multiplayer-centric and singleplayer-centric games. The only reason Subspace Emissary has such great cutscenes is because Nintendo ALWAYS puts that much attention to detail.

Yea I mean the single player in the other two had so much detail :roll: . Spending so much time on money on something you think is an addon is wasteful and unnecessary. The amount of quailty put into the subspace.... 8 hours of it is more than enough to make the statement that nitty tried to make this a big thing in the game. Fact is subspace is really repetitive and I am only doing it to get all the characters...

The other two games weren't AAA games. Brawl is a much, MUCH bigger game than the other two, and warranted a much, MUCH bigger budget.

And of COURSE Nintendo tried to make it a big thing in this game. Just not the MAIN thing. It's a big add-on but it's still an ADD-ON. SSBB is STILL about multiplayer, and that's how reviewers scored it.

[QUOTE="hellhund"]PullTheTricker

This handicap obviously exists for PS3 and 360 in relation to PC games as well.

Oblivion scoring higher on 360 version was not because it was capable of better visuals. Or do you mean some other game?

yep, though lemmings and cows will deny it.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

keep your opinions to yourself. plus the sheep love sticking it to the cows since they made fun of the wii for lack of quality games, yet has more AAA games than the ps3. plus you can get all of the ps3's AAA games on the 360.

ps3 has games, but the Wii has HIGHER quality games. some cows just cant face it and go on a rampage of ridiculous fanboy comments.

The_Dan_K

Take your own advice buddy.

Read my statement again. I did not just throw out opinion. IT IS A FACT THAT THE WII CANNNOT DO THE GRAPHICS 360/PS3 CAN. IT IS ALSO A FACT THAT, THAT FACT IS IGNORED WHEN REVIEWING WII GAMES!!!

take my own advice? check metacritic and tell me how many AAA's ps3 has and how many Wii has. owned.

graphics are figured in the score for a game, but they little impact on the score. GAMEPLAY is the main thing, whats so hard for you technophiles to understand?

you cows sure love graphics this gen, but last gen it was about sales. i guess whatever is convenient for you.

but anyway, take your ownage and go back to sleep

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Coredog777"][QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="Coredog777"]...bogged down because of lack of next gen graphics...Coredog777

Uhh... if they were on PS3 or 360 the graphics would be better...

thats my point...

Do you think Halo 3 wouldn't have scored as high if it was on the Wii? I feel that a lot of voters give the 360 and PS3 a handicap for their subpar controls in most genre.

There, do you see how rediculous that sounds?

Um if Halo 3 came out on the wii it would be AAAA. Also, please try and be respectful.

Lol..if Halo 3 came out on the PC, it would be AA :| KB/M > Analog for shooters anyday

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]No, only difference would be graphics.SecretPolice

If so then forget I even asked the question as you would be in some very, very serious denial though I'm seeing allot of that in this thread and to be fair, in most threads in this forum. :?

GTA4 could actually be better on the Wii, since Godfather was better on the Wii, and Bully is better on the Wii. A GTA-type game could benefit greatly from the immersion provided by the motion controls.

Yeah, that phone is ringing and the pot is wanting to know why the kettle is saying these things. :P

Hey, show me where I'm wrong. Go to any review site. They'll say that ALL of those GTA-type open-ended mission games benefited from the Wii remote. Why can't GTA4 benefit as well? Graphics are already known to be a minor part of the game experience. How many times have we seen reviewers say, "This game has great graphics, but...."? Genji, Army of Two, Lair, etc.

Unless you can show me SPECIFICALLY how GTA4 actually benefits from being on the 360 and PS3 other than in graphical detail, I think my statement is still perfectly valid.

Really, let them know just how easy it would be and how They, not you, don't know how to make money when publishing games. and to get on dev. to just do it. - I mean it's only the grx ! :roll:

Right, because as we all know, Take-Two and Rockstar LOVE Nintendo. Nintendo consoles are TOTALLY their first priority, and if they had a chance they WOULD make GTA games for Nintendo consoles, right? That's why GTAIII, Vice City, and San Andreas ALL made it to the GameCube. Right?

:roll:

I'm just saying it would be better. I don't pretend to have any insight into Take-Two or Rockstar's internal designs for GTA4, but so far this generation, I've seen almost nothing on the 360 and PS3 that couldn't be done on the Wii with only a graphical downgrade. I'm assuming the same is true for GTA4.

Compared to other consoles, the 360 and PS3 have totally FAILED in making any significant advancements over the last generation.

[QUOTE="The_Dan_K"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

keep your opinions to yourself. plus the sheep love sticking it to the cows since they made fun of the wii for lack of quality games, yet has more AAA games than the ps3. plus you can get all of the ps3's AAA games on the 360.

ps3 has games, but the Wii has HIGHER quality games. some cows just cant face it and go on a rampage of ridiculous fanboy comments.

ogvampire

Take your own advice buddy.

Read my statement again. I did not just throw out opinion. IT IS A FACT THAT THE WII CANNNOT DO THE GRAPHICS 360/PS3 CAN. IT IS ALSO A FACT THAT, THAT FACT IS IGNORED WHEN REVIEWING WII GAMES!!!

take my own advice? check metacritic and tell me how many AAA's ps3 has and how many Wii has. owned.

graphics are figured in the score for a game, but they little impact on the score. GAMEPLAY is the main thing, whats so hard for you technophiles to understand?

you cows sure love graphics this gen, but last gen it was about sales. i guess whatever is convenient for you.

but anyway, take your ownage and go back to sleep

Go to IGN.com, look at a review. See how the review score is broken up in different categorys. Then, go to Gametrailers.com, see how they break up the score in different categories.

There's graphics, Sound, presentation (which takes into account a couple of the other category's), gameplay, and lasting appeal.

Wii's hardware will continue to lag the 360/PS3 in graphics, sound, A.I., and online. All of which hit very hard in SEVERAL categories in a review.

You were trolling him. And you started out by halfway calling him a troll but saying you weren't calling him a troll. And then ended it again with calling him a troll. It was lame. And you never really made a point.

No, Uncharted wouldn't have scored less. Because Uncharted's graphics are, at least, on par with PC graphics. They may not be Crysis but what is, besides Crysis? The point is that Wii graphics are an entire generation away from what the PS3 and 360 offer in pure graphics and their native quality and size.

The_Dan_K

Read again and comprehend: "I will give you the benefit of the doubt", this means, "Hey guess what I think you're not a troll!". "This argument has been used in the past by trolls", this means "You know, this has been used as an argument by trolls in the past". It's quite simple really, the English I used is not that complicated.

As for my point: I warned the TC for what would happen: A hundred post flame fest from both sides.

Now back on topic: Has the fact that Uncharted doesn't quite look as good as Crysis made it a less enjoyable game? You see Wii owners are not trying to dispute that Wii games look worse that PS3/360 games. They are trying to dispute that Wii games are not deserving of a GOTY because of teh graphx sux!

[QUOTE="The_Dan_K"]

You were trolling him. And you started out by halfway calling him a troll but saying you weren't calling him a troll. And then ended it again with calling him a troll. It was lame. And you never really made a point.

No, Uncharted wouldn't have scored less. Because Uncharted's graphics are, at least, on par with PC graphics. They may not be Crysis but what is, besides Crysis? The point is that Wii graphics are an entire generation away from what the PS3 and 360 offer in pure graphics and their native quality and size.

Arsuz

Read again and comprehend: "I will give you the benefit of the doubt", this means, "Hey guess what I think you're not a troll!". "This argument has been used in the past by trolls", this means "You know, this has been used as an argument by trolls in the past". It's quite simple really, the English I used is not that complicated.

As for my point: I warned the TC for what would happen: A hundred post flame fest from both sides.

Now back on topic: Has the fact that Uncharted doesn't quite look as good as Crysis made it a less enjoyable game? You see Wii owners are not trying to dispute that Wii games look worse that PS3/360 games. They are trying to dispute that Wii games are not deserving of a GOTY because of teh graphx sux!

Wow, this comparing Uncharted/Crysis and Uncharted/Wii game is getting hilarious and weak.

Let me guess, you don't even own a HDTV, do you? So, from the get-go you can't even see the horrible quality of picture the Wii is giving you. Nor can you understand the extra work and console resources it takes to run a smooth, beautiful, HD game. And this is obvious by your weak comparison.

In no way have I ever said SMG or SSBB weren't fun. Never. Gameplay is there, great.

But the fact remains that PS3 and 360 games are knocked all of the time in their review score for issues relating to the console pushing limits with graphics, A.I., and audio. All things the Wii doesn't even attempt, especially in the scale the PS3 and 360 do. And knowing that fact, you have to understand where Wii does get a handicap. Either that or the 360 and PS3 scores should be higher.

You either ignore the grapics for one or you do it for all.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="The_Dan_K"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

keep your opinions to yourself. plus the sheep love sticking it to the cows since they made fun of the wii for lack of quality games, yet has more AAA games than the ps3. plus you can get all of the ps3's AAA games on the 360.

ps3 has games, but the Wii has HIGHER quality games. some cows just cant face it and go on a rampage of ridiculous fanboy comments.

The_Dan_K

Take your own advice buddy.

Read my statement again. I did not just throw out opinion. IT IS A FACT THAT THE WII CANNNOT DO THE GRAPHICS 360/PS3 CAN. IT IS ALSO A FACT THAT, THAT FACT IS IGNORED WHEN REVIEWING WII GAMES!!!

take my own advice? check metacritic and tell me how many AAA's ps3 has and how many Wii has. owned.

graphics are figured in the score for a game, but they little impact on the score. GAMEPLAY is the main thing, whats so hard for you technophiles to understand?

you cows sure love graphics this gen, but last gen it was about sales. i guess whatever is convenient for you.

but anyway, take your ownage and go back to sleep

Go to IGN.com, look at a review. See how the review score is broken up in different categorys. Then, go to Gametrailers.com, see how they break up the score in different categories.

There's graphics, Sound, presentation (which takes into account a couple of the other category's), gameplay, and lasting appeal.

Wii's hardware will continue to lag the 360/PS3 in graphics, sound, A.I., and online. All of which hit very hard in SEVERAL categories in a review.

thats fine, do you think that if a game doesnt have a nice PRESENTATION that it should take it from a AAA game to an AA game?

no, that silly. all of those categories are not equal, some have more merit than others.

graphics dont have as much merit as gameplay and replay value.

what game would you think would get a higher rating?: a game with a high graphics score, or a game with a high gameplay or replay value score?

[QUOTE="Arsuz"][QUOTE="The_Dan_K"]

You were trolling him. And you started out by halfway calling him a troll but saying you weren't calling him a troll. And then ended it again with calling him a troll. It was lame. And you never really made a point.

No, Uncharted wouldn't have scored less. Because Uncharted's graphics are, at least, on par with PC graphics. They may not be Crysis but what is, besides Crysis? The point is that Wii graphics are an entire generation away from what the PS3 and 360 offer in pure graphics and their native quality and size.

The_Dan_K

Read again and comprehend: "I will give you the benefit of the doubt", this means, "Hey guess what I think you're not a troll!". "This argument has been used in the past by trolls", this means "You know, this has been used as an argument by trolls in the past". It's quite simple really, the English I used is not that complicated.

As for my point: I warned the TC for what would happen: A hundred post flame fest from both sides.

Now back on topic: Has the fact that Uncharted doesn't quite look as good as Crysis made it a less enjoyable game? You see Wii owners are not trying to dispute that Wii games look worse that PS3/360 games. They are trying to dispute that Wii games are not deserving of a GOTY because of teh graphx sux!

Wow, this comparing Uncharted/Crysis and Uncharted/Wii game is getting hilarious and weak.

Let me guess, you don't even own a HDTV, do you? So, from the get-go you can't even see the horrible quality of picture the Wii is giving you. Nor can you understand the extra work and console resources it takes to run a smooth, beautiful, HD game. And this is obvious by your weak comparison.

In no way have I ever said SMG or SSBB weren't fun. Never. Gameplay is there, great.

But the fact remains that PS3 and 360 games are knocked all of the time in their review score for issues relating to the console pushing limits with graphics, A.I., and audio. All things the Wii doesn't even attempt, especially in the scale the PS3 and 360 do. And knowing that fact, you have to understand where Wii does get a handicap. Either that or the 360 and PS3 scores should be higher.

You either ignore the grapics for one or you do it for all.

the problem is that they go beyond their limits. they dock points from the score because of slowdowns, glitches, bugs.

look at Bully, the Wii version got a higher score cause the 360 version was FULL of bugs. make sense doesnt it.

like everybody said, wouldnt the 360/ps3 get a handicap cause the graphics are better on a PC? no, then why would it be like that for the Wii.

maybe cause the haters? yes

Lets take Mass Effect as a example.

Ya think had that game which scored 8.5 on 360 could be done and if it were to have launched the exact same way on Wii ( LMAO ) 2 billion lines ( sarcastic but not that far off :lol: ) of dialog, vast wide open areas, huge game with grx to die for etc. etc. etc. etc. - you get the picture - would score a 8.5 on Wii ? :roll:

One word for you if you say yes - Lier ! :D

The friggin game would score a 999 out of 10 for Wii - hiccup's and all ! :lol:

Lets take Mass Effect as a example.

Ya think had that game which scored 8.5 on 360 could be done and if it were to have launched the exact same way on Wii ( LMAO ) 2 billion lines ( sarcastic but not that far off :lol: ) of dialog, vast wide open areas, huge game with grx to die for etc. etc. etc. etc. - you get the picture - would score a 8.5 on Wii ? :roll:

One word for you if you say yes - Lier ! :D

The friggin game would score a 999 out of 10 for Wii - hiccup's and all ! :lol:

SecretPolice

and any game with motion sensing would not be possible on the 360. so whats your point?

Wii haters are getting desprate if they are falling back to the standards argument.

You know when you make this standards arguments you open the door for everyone to say The PS3 is better then the Xbox 360 because it has higher standards, Lair would have scored a 10 on the Xbox 360. (Just an example of the crazyness that comes from "Standards")

Oh well I guess that's all they have left.

the problem is that they go beyond their limits. they dock points from the score because of slowdowns, glitches, bugs.

look at Bully, the Wii version got a higher score cause the 360 version was FULL of bugs. make sense doesnt it.

like everybody said, wouldnt the 360/ps3 get a handicap cause the graphics are better on a PC? no, then why would it be like that for the Wii.

maybe cause the haters? yes

ogvampire

That just proves my point. Yes, the 360 got docked for glitches/bugs. Why didn't the Wii get knocked for not looking as good as the 360?

And before you say, "duh, because graphics don't matter," you need to ask youself a question. Why do graphics look better now than from, let's say, the SNES era? Why do games now carry surround sound tracks? Answer that question using your brain and you know that graphics and audio (and A.I.) are a HUGE aprt of a game. The more real or fake it looks (whether its fiction or non-fiction) the more involving it is. The better and more real it sounds, the more involing it is.

Why HD? Why DVD? Why do we make anything look better?

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]No, only difference would be graphics.mjarantilla

If so then forget I even asked the question as you would be in some very, very serious denial though I'm seeing allot of that in this thread and to be fair, in most threads in this forum. :?

GTA4 could actually be better on the Wii, since Godfather was better on the Wii, and Bully is better on the Wii. A GTA-type game could benefit greatly from the immersion provided by the motion controls.

Yeah, that phone is ringing and the pot is wanting to know why the kettle is saying these things. :P

Hey, show me where I'm wrong. Go to any review site. They'll say that ALL of those GTA-type open-ended mission games benefited from the Wii remote. Why can't GTA4 benefit as well? Graphics are already known to be a minor part of the game experience. How many times have we seen reviewers say, "This game has great graphics, but...."? Genji, Army of Two, Lair, etc.

Unless you can show me SPECIFICALLY how GTA4 actually benefits from being on the 360 and PS3 other than in graphical detail, I think my statement is still perfectly valid.

Really, let them know just how easy it would be and how They, not you, don't know how to make money when publishing games. and to get on dev. to just do it. - I mean it's only the grx ! :roll:

Right, because as we all know, Take-Two and Rockstar LOVE Nintendo. Nintendo consoles are TOTALLY their first priority, and if they had a chance they WOULD make GTA games for Nintendo consoles, right? That's why GTAIII, Vice City, and San Andreas ALL made it to the GameCube. Right?

:roll:

I'm just saying it would be better. I don't pretend to have any insight into Take-Two or Rockstar's internal designs for GTA4, but so far this generation, I've seen almost nothing on the 360 and PS3 that couldn't be done on the Wii with only a graphical downgrade. I'm assuming the same is true for GTA4.

Compared to other consoles, the 360 and PS3 have totally FAILED in making any significant advancements over the last generation.

gta on wii would be better if they make use of the wii remote !

think about phone-calls where you can take you wiimote and hear what they saying :)

That just proves my point. Yes, the 360 got docked for glitches/bugs. Why didn't the Wii get knocked for not looking as good as the 360?

The_Dan_K

perhaps the same reason that VC games don't regularly get 6's even if they are timeless classics.

Lets take Mass Effect as a example.

Ya think had that game which scored 8.5 on 360 could be done and if it were to have launched the exact same way on Wii ( LMAO ) 2 billion lines ( sarcastic but not that far off :lol: ) of dialog, vast wide open areas, huge game with grx to die for etc. etc. etc. etc. - you get the picture - would score a 8.5 on Wii ? :roll:

One word for you if you say yes - Lier ! :D

The friggin game would score a 999 out of 10 for Wii - hiccup's and all ! :lol:SecretPolice

Yes, it would score 8.5 on the Wii, because Mass Effect is an 8.5 game. Other than graphics, the game is worse than KotOR in most respects. Battles are smaller, the combat system is shallow, different weapon types don't make a difference, and there are fewer "magic" powers than ever.

Wow, this comparing Uncharted/Crysis and Uncharted/Wii game is getting hilarious and weak.

Let me guess, you don't even own a HDTV, do you? So, from the get-go you can't even see the horrible quality of picture the Wii is giving you. Nor can you understand the extra work and console resources it takes to run a smooth, beautiful, HD game. And this is obvious by your weak comparison.

In no way have I ever said SMG or SSBB weren't fun. Never. Gameplay is there, great.

But the fact remains that PS3 and 360 games are knocked all of the time in their review score for issues relating to the console pushing limits with graphics, A.I., and audio. All things the Wii doesn't even attempt, especially in the scale the PS3 and 360 do. And knowing that fact, you have to understand where Wii does get a handicap. Either that or the 360 and PS3 scores should be higher.

You either ignore the grapics for one or you do it for all.

The_Dan_K

Do you even read what I'm writing? Never ever have I compared Uncharted/Crysis and Uncharted/Wii games. The only point I was trying to make is that uncharted is not less fun without Crysis visuals just like SMG is not less fun without Uncharted visuals.

And no, I don't own an HDTV, simply because I'm a PC gamer for over 10 years. I recently got back into console gaming when nintendo released the Wii. I think I DO know what kind of visuals the Wii produces. Even more than you do, because as a PC gamer I have not been restricted just to 720P or 1080P, but have experienced even higher resolutions for ages. And please name me one game this on this generation of consoles that has done something so amazing with the AI that it couldn't be done last gen!

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Lets take Mass Effect as a example.

Ya think had that game which scored 8.5 on 360 could be done and if it were to have launched the exact same way on Wii ( LMAO ) 2 billion lines ( sarcastic but not that far off :lol: ) of dialog, vast wide open areas, huge game with grx to die for etc. etc. etc. etc. - you get the picture - would score a 8.5 on Wii ? :roll:

One word for you if you say yes - Lier ! :D

The friggin game would score a 999 out of 10 for Wii - hiccup's and all ! :lol:

ogvampire

and any game with motion sensing would not be possible on the 360. so whats your point?

Not that I would ever want to use it but 360 has had a game out for more then a year that uses motion sensing !

How in the world could that be the case - hmm ?

I'll leave it as a exercise for you to find out ! :lol:

Lets take Mass Effect as a example.

Ya think had that game which scored 8.5 on 360 could be done and if it were to have launched the exact same way on Wii ( LMAO ) 2 billion lines ( sarcastic but not that far off :lol: ) of dialog, vast wide open areas, huge game with grx to die for etc. etc. etc. etc. - you get the picture - would score a 8.5 on Wii ? :roll:

One word for you if you say yes - Lier ! :D

The friggin game would score a 999 out of 10 for Wii - hiccup's and all ! :lol:

SecretPolice

Mass Effect was glitchy, a little short and had repeatitive side quests. If it came out for Wii, same score. And I don't know why your laughing about amount of dialog, Wii and 360 both use DVD.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Lets take Mass Effect as a example.

Ya think had that game which scored 8.5 on 360 could be done and if it were to have launched the exact same way on Wii ( LMAO ) 2 billion lines ( sarcastic but not that far off :lol: ) of dialog, vast wide open areas, huge game with grx to die for etc. etc. etc. etc. - you get the picture - would score a 8.5 on Wii ? :roll:

One word for you if you say yes - Lier ! :D

The friggin game would score a 999 out of 10 for Wii - hiccup's and all ! :lol:mjarantilla

Yes, it would score 8.5 on the Wii, because Mass Effect is an 8.5 game. Other than graphics, the game is worse than KotOR in most respects. Battles are smaller, the combat system is shallow, different weapon types don't make a difference, and there are fewer "magic" powers than ever.

Good Day.

ofcourse.. if it was developped by nintendo on the 360 or pS3, IT WOULD LOOK BETTER, AND HAVE BETTER LIGHTING, EFFECTS, PHYSICS, ETC..

those games are top top quality. not having high polygon half naked shooting beefy men does not mean it's a bad game....