If you think Half-Life is better than Halo, come here.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

UNIQUE is new players to the game every day..

blackeneddeath

No, it's not...

Unique on 360 is each players with GOLD and non-guests.

I presume those all version CS is TOTAL players of the day.

Well, TOTAL Halo 3 players of the day is 2 - 5 million or more since in every match there are a lot of guests (relatives, friends), mostly.

You lose no matter what.

(Still waiting on CS link).

Also, 4 - 0.

Unique user means an Xbox Live member owning a Gold account. Most of them play Halo 3 with Friends or Relatives because it's much more fun.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

UNIQUE is new players to the game every day..

Trinners

No, it's not...

Unique on 360 is each players with GOLD and non-guests.

I presume those all version CS is TOTAL players of the day.

Well, TOTAL Halo 3 players of the day is 2 - 5 million or more since in every match there are a lot of guests (relatives, friends), mostly.

You lose no matter what.

(Still waiting on CS link).

Also, 4 - 0.

How deep into denial can one person seriously go :|. He's just going to keep ignoring the evidence presented to him so this is pointless now.

CS > Halo. Fact.

Ugh stop being of topic this is about Half life >>> Halo ce remember.

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

No, it's not...

Unique on 360 is each players with GOLD and non-guests.

I presume those all version CS is TOTAL players of the day.

Well, TOTAL Halo 3 players of the day is 2 - 5 million or more since in every match there are a lot of guests (relatives, friends), mostly.

You lose no matter what.

(Still waiting on CS link).

Also, 4 - 0.

SragentThom

How deep into denial can one person seriously go :|. He's just going to keep ignoring the evidence presented to him so this is pointless now.

CS > Halo. Fact.

Ugh stop being of topic this is about Half life >>> Halo ce remember.

CS is part of half-life.

[QUOTE="SragentThom"]

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

How deep into denial can one person seriously go :|. He's just going to keep ignoring the evidence presented to him so this is pointless now.

CS > Halo. Fact.

Trinners

Ugh stop being of topic this is about Half life >>> Halo ce remember.

CS is part of half-life.

It's NOT Half-Life, then CS = / = Half-Life. Fact.

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"] No, it's 1.6 1.5: http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?game=cstrike_won 1.6: http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?=undefined&vars=&game=cstrike source: http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?game=cstrike2&vars=SODRChief

I don't see the CS stats...

And don't forget those Halo 3 players are UNIQUE.

One of Halo's AWESOME feature is you can play with your relative or friends on the same screen (sorry, PC). So add that fact and total players of Halo go MUCH HIGHER.

So, to summary this: There are currently FAR more human beings sitting in front of the TV playing Halo 3 than any CS version.

4-0.

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"][QUOTE="SODRChief"]

No, it's not...

Unique on 360 is each players with GOLD and non-guests.

I presume those all version CS is TOTAL players of the day.

Well, TOTAL Halo 3 players of the day is 2 - 5 million or more since in every match there are a lot of guests (relatives, friends), mostly.

You lose no matter what.

(Still waiting on CS link).

Also, 4 - 0.

Unique user means an Xbox Live member owning a Gold account. Most of them play Halo 3 with Friends or Relatives because it's much more fun.

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="SragentThom"]

Ugh stop being of topic this is about Half life >>> Halo ce remember.

SODRChief

CS is part of half-life.

It's NOT Half-Life, then CS = / = Half-Life. Fact.

k, maybe you're right about halo > half-life but CS is still king. fact.

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"][QUOTE="SODRChief"]

No, it's not...

Unique on 360 is each players with GOLD and non-guests.

I presume those all version CS is TOTAL players of the day.

Well, TOTAL Halo 3 players of the day is 2 - 5 million or more since in every match there are a lot of guests, mostly.

You lose no matter what.

(Still waiting on CS link).

Also, 4 - 0.

Trinners

exactly, CS is the most played game in internet cafes. People don't even play halo there.

You guys did not post unique number just amount of people on. It isn't really fair considering that CS is MUCH older now and he is using Halo3, even if CE doesn't have MP (online)

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"] Halo 3 132,000 players CS:S 74,790 CS 53,800 http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ Jamex1987

I don't see the CS stats...

And don't forget those Halo 3 players are UNIQUE.

One of Halo's AWESOME feature is you can play with your relative or friends on the same screen (sorry, PC). So add that fact and total players of Halo go MUCH HIGHER.

So, to summary this: There are currently FAR more human beings sitting in front of the TV playing Halo 3 than any CS version.

4-0.

stop spreading lies.

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"] No, it's 1.6 1.5: http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?game=cstrike_won 1.6: http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?=undefined&vars=&game=cstrike source: http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?game=cstrike2&vars=SODRChief

I don't see the CS stats...

And don't forget those Halo 3 players are UNIQUE.

One of Halo's AWESOME feature is you can play with your relative or friends on the same screen (sorry, PC). So add that fact and total players of Halo go MUCH HIGHER.

So, to summary this: There are currently FAR more human beings sitting in front of the TV playing Halo 3 than any CS version.

4-0.

Yes, which would make sense considering CS was released over 10 years ago and CS:S over 4 years ago. And lets not forget all the other multiplayer components of Half Life/ Half life 2including Day of Defeat Source, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress, Team Fortress 2, Half Life Deathmatch, Half Life 2 Deathmatch etc. Did you do any proper research before you posted this topic or did you just look at some numbers, grabed some random qoutes and then posted them on this forum expecting to automatically win a debate based purely on numbers and statistics?

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"] Wait by unique are you meaning how many people play halo 3 for the first time each day? if you are saying 800k is the number then we would be seeing halo 3 npd charts in the millions each month... Also that last post didnt make very much since... There is quite a difference in naming of CS... CS source, CS Condition Zero, that link is clearly for CS (or cs 1.6 as it is now)blackeneddeath

Unique user means an Xbox Live member owning a Gold account. Most of them play Halo 3 with Friends or Relatives because it's much more fun.

Those "900k" is for all versions, I think, and represents the TOTAL PLAYERS who have played this CS's online multiplayer on the computer.

Halo 3's 800k (latest hours) do not represent ALL, since Halo 3 allows you to play with guests. Which means FAR more people play Halo 3's online multiplayer game than total players of this version's CS.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

CS is part of half-life.

Trinners

It's NOT Half-Life, then CS = / = Half-Life. Fact.

k, maybe you're right about halo > half-life but CS is still king. fact.

You're not helping are you?:|

Wait by unique are you meaning how many people play halo 3 for the first time each day? if you are saying 800k is the number then we would be seeing halo 3 npd charts in the millions each month... Also that last post didnt make very much since... There is quite a difference in naming of CS... CS source, CS Condition Zero, that link is clearly for CS (or cs 1.6 as it is now)blackeneddeath

Unique user means an Xbox Live member owning a Gold account. Most of them play Halo 3 with Friends or Relatives because it's much more fun.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"] Halo 3 132,000 players CS:S 74,790 CS 53,800 http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ WasntAvailable

I don't see the CS stats...

And don't forget those Halo 3 players are UNIQUE.

One of Halo's AWESOME feature is you can play with your relative or friends on the same screen (sorry, PC). So add that fact and total players of Halo go MUCH HIGHER.

So, to summary this: There are currently FAR more human beings sitting in front of the TV playing Halo 3 than any CS version.

4-0.

Yes, which would make sense considering CS was released over 10 years ago and CS:S over 4 years ago. And lets not forget all the other multiplayer components of Half Life/ Half life 2including Day of Defeat Source, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress, Team Fortress 2, Half Life Deathmatch, Half Life 2 Deathmatch etc. Did you do any proper research before you posted this topic or did you just look at some numbers, grabed some random qoutes and then posted them on this forum expecting to automatically win a debate based purely on numbers and statistics?

You expect reason or logic from a troll of this calibre?

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"][QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Unique user means an Xbox Live member owning a Gold account. Most of them play Halo 3 with Friends or Relatives because it's much more fun.

Jamex1987

What? I don't know. Someone posted a list of CS's total players. Didn't say if they were on a daily basis.. :S

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="SragentThom"]

Ugh stop being of topic this is about Half life >>> Halo ce remember.

CS is part of half-life.

It's NOT Half-Life, then CS = / = Half-Life. Fact.

Half-Life was revolutionary. Before Half-Life, shooters(for the most part) were not called First Person Shooters, they were called Doom Clones. Sure, there were a couple standouts, like Duke Nukem(and the other id Software titles), but for the most part, shooters of that time were well justified in being called Doom Clones. Then, Half-Life hits the scene and the first sequence just blows your mind. It creates a world that you can imagine actually existing. It sets up a revolution in storytelling for the genre. Every FPS after it was influenced by it, Halo included.

Halo was a big deal in bringing that sort of experience to consoles, I will give it that, but it wasn't a whole lot more than that. It didn't reshape the genre. It didn't change the entire world's expectation of what a FPS was. It just adapted it well to the consoles...

The scores are more a result of differing standards between the platforms. Halo set a precedent for shooters on the consoles, it was the among the first great console shooters. The expectations that it needed to beat were not all that high. It received good scores because of this... Half-Life meanwhile, had some major competition on the PC. The expectations were high, the genre had already been well established and had already seen several great games in the genre release on the PC. That fact that Half-Life managed to go above and beyond everything that had come before it was a testament to how great it really is....

And as for sales, I would like to point out that Half-Life far outsold Halo: Combat Evolved.

Half-Life has sold over 9 million copies.

Halo: Combat Evolved has barely sold 5 million.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Halo 3 132,000 players CS:S 74,790 CS 53,800 http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ Jamex1987

I don't see the CS stats...

And don't forget those Halo 3 players are UNIQUE.

One of Halo's AWESOME feature is you can play with your relative or friends on the same screen (sorry, PC). So add that fact and total players of Halo go MUCH HIGHER.

So, to summary this: There are currently FAR more human beings sitting in front of the TV playing Halo 3 than any CS version.

4-0.

Yes, which would make sense considering CS was released over 10 years ago and CS:S over 4 years ago. And lets not forget all the other multiplayer components of Half Life/ Half life 2including Day of Defeat Source, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress, Team Fortress 2, Half Life Deathmatch, Half Life 2 Deathmatch etc. Did you do any proper research before you posted this topic or did you just look at some numbers, grabed some random qoutes and then posted them on this forum expecting to automatically win a debate based purely on numbers and statistics?

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"][QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Unique user means an Xbox Live member owning a Gold account. Most of them play Halo 3 with Friends or Relatives because it's much more fun.

Jamex1987

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"][QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Unique user means an Xbox Live member owning a Gold account. Most of them play Halo 3 with Friends or Relatives because it's much more fun.

Those "900k" is for all versions, I think, and represents the TOTAL PLAYERS who have played this CS's online multiplayer on the computer.

Halo 3's 800k (latest hours) do not represent ALL, since Halo 3 allows you to play with guests. Which means FAR more people play Halo 3's online multiplayer game than total players of this version's CS.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

I don't see the CS stats...

And don't forget those Halo 3 players are UNIQUE.

One of Halo's AWESOME feature is you can play with your relative or friends on the same screen (sorry, PC). So add that fact and total players of Halo go MUCH HIGHER.

So, to summary this: There are currently FAR more human beings sitting in front of the TV playing Halo 3 than any CS version.

4-0.

ChrisSpartan117

Yes, which would make sense considering CS was released over 10 years ago and CS:S over 4 years ago. And lets not forget all the other multiplayer components of Half Life/ Half life 2including Day of Defeat Source, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress, Team Fortress 2, Half Life Deathmatch, Half Life 2 Deathmatch etc. Did you do any proper research before you posted this topic or did you just look at some numbers, grabed some random qoutes and then posted them on this forum expecting to automatically win a debate based purely on numbers and statistics?

I've been on SW alot. It's not impossible to get a decent debate going, but it's made more difficult when people spend more time arguing over the same subjects in spam topics like this, and there is no other way to describe this topic. This subject has been gone over a million times before, and likely with far better arguments.

I came in this thread, read the op, read the responses, and did a major facepalm.

Seriously guys, this is such obvious flame bait, and yet you all ate it up.

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="blackeneddeath"] Then if CS has over 900k users a day wouldnt that be more than the 800k halo 3 has a day?SamiRDuran

Half-Life was revolutionary. Before Half-Life, shooters(for the most part) were not called First Person Shooters, they were called Doom Clones. Sure, there were a couple standouts, like Duke Nukem(and the other id Software titles), but for the most part, shooters of that time were well justified in being called Doom Clones. Then, Half-Life hits the scene and the first sequence just blows your mind. It creates a world that you can imagine actually existing. It sets up a revolution in storytelling for the genre. Every FPS after it was influenced by it, Halo included.

Halo was a big deal in bringing that sort of experience to consoles, I will give it that, but it wasn't a whole lot more than that. It didn't reshape the genre. It didn't change the entire world's expectation of what a FPS was. It just adapted it well to the consoles...

The scores are more a result of differing standards between the platforms. Halo set a precedent for shooters on the consoles, it was the among the first great console shooters. The expectations that it needed to beat were not all that high. It received good scores because of this... Half-Life meanwhile, had some major competition on the PC. The expectations were high, the genre had already been well established and had already seen several great games in the genre release on the PC. That fact that Half-Life managed to go above and beyond everything that had come before it was a testament to how great it really is....

And as for sales, I would like to point out that Half-Life far outsold Halo: Combat Evolved.

Half-Life has sold over 9 million copies.

Halo: Combat Evolved has barely sold 5 million.

horrowhip

So, Halo 2 outsold Half-Life 2 and 2.5 million gamers were still playing Halo 2 on Live days before H3 Launch.

if you think there has only been 900k people who have played CS on the computer then there is no way i can help you... blackeneddeath

I wasn't going to say anything... I was just going to let them live in their fantasy world...

I came in this thread, read the op, read the responses, and did a major facepalm.

Seriously guys, this is such obvious flame bait, and yet you all ate it up.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Halo 3 132,000 players CS:S 74,790 CS 53,800 http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ Jamex1987

I don't see the CS stats...

And don't forget those Halo 3 players are UNIQUE.

One of Halo's AWESOME feature is you can play with your relative or friends on the same screen (sorry, PC). So add that fact and total players of Halo go MUCH HIGHER.

So, to summary this: There are currently FAR more human beings sitting in front of the TV playing Halo 3 than any CS version.

4-0.

Yes, which would make sense considering CS was released over 10 years ago and CS:S over 4 years ago. And lets not forget all the other multiplayer components of Half Life/ Half life 2including Day of Defeat Source, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress, Team Fortress 2, Half Life Deathmatch, Half Life 2 Deathmatch etc. Did you do any proper research before you posted this topic or did you just look at some numbers, grabed some random qoutes and then posted them on this forum expecting to automatically win a debate based purely on numbers and statistics?

I still prefer Half-Life, why I should I let somebody in an industry change my opinion? TC is too impressionable

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"] Then if CS has over 900k users a day wouldnt that be more than the 800k halo 3 has a day?blackeneddeath

Those "900k" is for all versions, I think, and represents the TOTAL PLAYERS who have played this CS's online multiplayer on the computer.

Halo 3's 800k (latest hours) do not represent ALL, since Halo 3 allows you to play with guests. Which means FAR more people play Halo 3's online multiplayer game than total players of this version's CS.

Listen: I don't know. NOBODY wants to give me an official link.

A guy gave me a link where it said that 900k had played CS's online multiplayer component (I don't know if it was daily). And those weren't unique users.

So, Halo 2 outsold Half-Life 2 and 2.5 million gamers were still playing Halo 2 on Live days before H3 Launch.

SODRChief

This is a topic about Half-Life 2 and Halo 2?

Your OP seemed to suggest that it was about Half-Life and Halo: Combat Evolved....

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

So, Halo 2 outsold Half-Life 2 and 2.5 million gamers were still playing Halo 2 on Live days before H3 Launch.

horrowhip

This is a topic about Half-Life 2 and Halo 2?

Your OP seemed to suggest that it was about Half-Life and Halo: Combat Evolved....

This is a topic about CS?

All the people started talking about CS when they couldn't put forward a good argument to my unstoppable 4-0 argument. Sorry, wasn't me.

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"] How on earth do you know how many players CS has in a day? You can't. According to valve the peak for today was 59,000Jamex1987

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"][QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Those "900k" is for all versions, I think, and represents the TOTAL PLAYERS who have played this CS's online multiplayer on the computer.

Halo 3's 800k (latest hours) do not represent ALL, since Halo 3 allows you to play with guests. Which means FAR more people play Halo 3's online multiplayer game than total players of this version's CS.

Listen: I don't know. NOBODY wants to give me an official link.

A guy gave me a link where it said that 900k had played CS's online multiplayer component (I don't know if it was daily). And those weren't unique users.

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="SamiRDuran"] thats only the steam version. there are another 100k+ playing the non steam version plus probably a couple of hundred thousand from countries where stats are not tracked. nothing can rival Counter Strike in terms of popularity. its a global phenomenon.

SamiRDuran

56k for Half-Life, less for HL2.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

I don't see the CS stats...

And don't forget those Halo 3 players are UNIQUE.

One of Halo's AWESOME feature is you can play with your relative or friends on the same screen (sorry, PC). So add that fact and total players of Halo go MUCH HIGHER.

So, to summary this: There are currently FAR more human beings sitting in front of the TV playing Halo 3 than any CS version.

4-0.

SparkyProtocol

Yes, which would make sense considering CS was released over 10 years ago and CS:S over 4 years ago. And lets not forget all the other multiplayer components of Half Life/ Half life 2including Day of Defeat Source, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress, Team Fortress 2, Half Life Deathmatch, Half Life 2 Deathmatch etc. Did you do any proper research before you posted this topic or did you just look at some numbers, grabed some random qoutes and then posted them on this forum expecting to automatically win a debate based purely on numbers and statistics?

You actually buy them with Half Life 2 on steam. They are essentially mods of Half Life and Half Life 2 which is why they are often bundled with them. Usually those who are playing Counter Strike will also try games like Day of Defeat because they come with the package. They are not really all that independant fromeach other. The only reason they exsist is because of Half Life and Source.

EDIT: Though TF2 is a bit more independant than the others.

GameSpot -

Half-Life: 9.4 -

Halo: Combat Evolved: 9.7 - GameSpot: "it's easily one of the best shooters ever, on any platform."

IGN -

Half-Life: 9.5 -

Halo: Combat Evolved: 9.7 - IGN: "Halo is one of the best videogames. There I said it and I'm not going to take it back" IGN's second opinion: "Halo is the perfect example of what next-generation is about, in all forms"

GameRankings -

Half-Life: 94.06% -

Halo: Combat Evolved: 95.45% -

MetaCritic -

Half-Life: 96 -

Halo: Combat Evolved: 97 -

Halo wins in every department and was a much more important, successful and entertaining title in the history of first-person shooters.Admire the facts.

SODRChief

Halo was released on November 15, 2001.

Half-Life was released on November 19, 1998

There's a three year difference here, and in that three time period Halo barely managed to pull out 1 point higher rating overall.

Also I'd just like to point out that Half-Life is strictly single player driven, while Halo has a good multiplayer mode to make up for the lack of the single player game.

A better comparsion here might be Half-Life 2 which came out on November 16, 2004 and Halo 2 which came out on November 9,2004.

According to Meta Critic here's how they stack up:

Half-Life 2 - 96

Halo 2 (Xbox) - 95

Halo 2 (PC) - 74

Halo 3 - 94 (Came out September 25, 2007)

Seems like Half-Life 2 has the upper hand and clearly beats out both Halo 2 and Halo 3 on its own. Not to mention that Half-Life 2 also only has a sinlge player mode to carry it while Halo 2 and Halo 3 have a huge online mode ontop of their single player mode as well to carry them. I won't even mention the terrible scores we see for the PC edition of Halo 2 though I think that is just a testament to the fact that a PC game is held to higher standards than a console game.

Boosh!

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"] if you think there has only been 900k people who have played CS on the computer then there is no way i can help you... blackeneddeath

Listen: I don't know. NOBODY wants to give me an official link.

A guy gave me a link where it said that 900k had played CS's online multiplayer component (I don't know if it was daily). And those weren't unique users.

Total amount of people who ever played is probably closer to 50 million, but it has nothing to do with this discussion, anyway.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

Half-Life was revolutionary. Before Half-Life, shooters(for the most part) were not called First Person Shooters, they were called Doom Clones. Sure, there were a couple standouts, like Duke Nukem(and the other id Software titles), but for the most part, shooters of that time were well justified in being called Doom Clones. Then, Half-Life hits the scene and the first sequence just blows your mind. It creates a world that you can imagine actually existing. It sets up a revolution in storytelling for the genre. Every FPS after it was influenced by it, Halo included.

Halo was a big deal in bringing that sort of experience to consoles, I will give it that, but it wasn't a whole lot more than that. It didn't reshape the genre. It didn't change the entire world's expectation of what a FPS was. It just adapted it well to the consoles...

The scores are more a result of differing standards between the platforms. Halo set a precedent for shooters on the consoles, it was the among the first great console shooters. The expectations that it needed to beat were not all that high. It received good scores because of this... Half-Life meanwhile, had some major competition on the PC. The expectations were high, the genre had already been well established and had already seen several great games in the genre release on the PC. That fact that Half-Life managed to go above and beyond everything that had come before it was a testament to how great it really is....

And as for sales, I would like to point out that Half-Life far outsold Halo: Combat Evolved.

Half-Life has sold over 9 million copies.

Halo: Combat Evolved has barely sold 5 million.

SODRChief

So, Halo 2 outsold Half-Life 2 and 2.5 million gamers were still playing Halo 2 on Live days before H3 Launch.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

GameSpot -

Half-Life: 9.4 -

Halo: Combat Evolved: 9.7 - GameSpot: "it's easily one of the best shooters ever, on any platform."

IGN -

Half-Life: 9.5 -

Halo: Combat Evolved: 9.7 - IGN: "Halo is one of the best videogames. There I said it and I'm not going to take it back" IGN's second opinion: "Halo is the perfect example of what next-generation is about, in all forms"

GameRankings -

Half-Life: 94.06% -

Halo: Combat Evolved: 95.45% -

MetaCritic -

Half-Life: 96 -

Halo: Combat Evolved: 97 -

Halo wins in every department and was a much more important, successful and entertaining title in the history of first-person shooters.Admire the facts.

kejigoto

Halo was released on November 15, 2001.

Half-Life was released on November 19, 1998

There's a three year difference here, and in that three time period Halo barely managed to pull out 1 point higher rating overall.

Also I'd just like to point out that Half-Life is strictly single player driven, while Halo has a good multiplayer mode to make up for the lack of the single player game.

A better comparsion here might be Half-Life 2 which came out on November 16, 2004 and Halo 2 which came out on November 9,2004.

According to Meta Critic here's how they stack up:

Half-Life 2 - 96

Halo 2 (Xbox) - 95

Halo 2 (PC) - 74

Halo 3 - 94 (Came out September 25, 2007)

Seems like Half-Life 2 has the upper hand and clearly beats out both Halo 2 and Halo 3 on its own. Not to mention that Half-Life 2 also only has a sinlge player mode to carry it while Halo 2 and Halo 3 have a huge online mode ontop of their single player mode as well to carry them. I won't even mention the terrible scores we see for the PC edition of Halo 2 though I think that is just a testament to the fact that a PC game is held to higher standards than a console game.

Boosh!

Or because of how much later it came out? If halo only score one point higher, isn't it EVEN better due to the fact that standards are higher? (2001-1998)

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

Half-Life was revolutionary. Before Half-Life, shooters(for the most part) were not called First Person Shooters, they were called Doom Clones. Sure, there were a couple standouts, like Duke Nukem(and the other id Software titles), but for the most part, shooters of that time were well justified in being called Doom Clones. Then, Half-Life hits the scene and the first sequence just blows your mind. It creates a world that you can imagine actually existing. It sets up a revolution in storytelling for the genre. Every FPS after it was influenced by it, Halo included.

Halo was a big deal in bringing that sort of experience to consoles, I will give it that, but it wasn't a whole lot more than that. It didn't reshape the genre. It didn't change the entire world's expectation of what a FPS was. It just adapted it well to the consoles...

The scores are more a result of differing standards between the platforms. Halo set a precedent for shooters on the consoles, it was the among the first great console shooters. The expectations that it needed to beat were not all that high. It received good scores because of this... Half-Life meanwhile, had some major competition on the PC. The expectations were high, the genre had already been well established and had already seen several great games in the genre release on the PC. That fact that Half-Life managed to go above and beyond everything that had come before it was a testament to how great it really is....

And as for sales, I would like to point out that Half-Life far outsold Halo: Combat Evolved.

Half-Life has sold over 9 million copies.

Halo: Combat Evolved has barely sold 5 million.

SamiRDuran

So, Halo 2 outsold Half-Life 2 and 2.5 million gamers were still playing Halo 2 on Live days before H3 Launch.

No, wrong. It's online multiplayer is not way more popular than any Halo. Totally wrong, actually.

All this does is prove to me that scoring scales with that much granulation are useless and serve only to feed pathetic fanboy fervor. Both are games are radical, what's the problem?supercubedude64

Damage control.

I don't want to post the useless console scores of Half-Life, it's a testament to the fact that a console game is held to higher standards than a console game.

SODRChief

Oh come on, Half-Life's console outings scored at the lowest an 88 (MetaCritic) which was on the PS2 edition. Half-Life 2 for the Xbox scored a 90, still not nearly as bad as the PC edition of Halo 2.

Also way to dance around the subject here that Half-Life clearly has a better average than both Halo 2 and Halo 3 (which came out nearly 3 years later). Plus I'd like to once again point out here that Half-Life and Half-Life 2 only come with a single player mode, where all the Halo's seem to rely more on their multiplayer side of things and that is really the major draw there.

Half-Life may have scored slightly lower than a game that came out 3 years after it launched, but the second installment alone out does both the Halo sequels, which I think speaks volumes in and of itself.

Spin away.

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Damage control.

I don't want to post the useless console scores of Half-Life, it's a testament to the fact that a console game is held to higher standards than a console game.

kejigoto

Oh come on, Half-Life's console outings scored at the lowest an 88 (MetaCritic) which was on the PS2 edition. Half-Life 2 for the Xbox scored a 90, still not nearly as bad as the PC edition of Halo 2.

Also way to dance around the subject here that Half-Life clearly has a better average than both Halo 2 and Halo 3 (which came out nearly 3 years later). Plus I'd like to once again point out here that Half-Life and Half-Life 2 only come with a single player mode, where all the Halo's seem to rely more on their multiplayer side of things and that is really the major draw there.

Half-Life may have scored slightly lower than a game that came out 3 years after it launched, but the second installment alone out does both the Halo sequels, which I think speaks volumes in and of itself.

Spin away.

Bad try to dance around the subject. 4-0. I'm not saying Half-Life sucks. Halo is just one of the greatest games ever.

No wonder it was #2 after OoT on a "greatest ever poll" here at GameSpot (the latest, I think).

Spin away.

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Listen: I don't know. NOBODY wants to give me an official link.

A guy gave me a link where it said that 900k had played CS's online multiplayer component (I don't know if it was daily). And those weren't unique users.

horrowhip

If you just want to consider the RETAIL SALES(As in post Valve pick up, when Valve started putting it on store shelves, individually[Counterstrike as in seperate, stand-alone product])... Well the game has sold 4.2 million copies. And there are even more that have played it...

And if you think that 4.2 million people have played the Halo 3 multiplayer... Well I could only call you delusional. Halo 3 may have sold more total, but not every person who bought it played the multiplayer... Hell, I wouldn't be suprised if less than half played the MP.

I'm not talking about game sales, but online multiplayer players.

And over 2.7M unique players played Halo 3 in its first week - that's 1/3 of the Live members in September 2007 - so I think the figure, if anything, is close to 4.2 million