If you think Half-Life is better than Halo, come here.

It is. Half Life was basically the most revolutionary thing to happen to the shooter genre since Doom. All Halo did was popularize PC-styIe shooters on consoles, nothing more.

Not to mention that PC games are rated by harsher standards than console games and that Half Life came out in 1998 and Halo in 2001.

It is. Half Life was basically the most revolutionary thing to happen to the shooter genre since Doom. All Halo did was popularize PC-styIe shooters on consoles, nothing more.

Not to mention that PC games are rated by harsher standards than console games and that Half Life came out in 1998 and Halo in 2001.

foxhound_fox

PC games are rated by harser standards in dreams, only.

Halo is overall better than HL1, the standarts for the genre have risen dramatically between 98 and 2001 and playing those games today Halo is better game, despite featuring one of the worst level designs in history of the genre. Especially since it also has great MP unlike HL1

As franchises though? HL2 along with OB is better than any Halo ever made, but HL1? Nah

Halo is overall better than HL1, the standarts for the genre have risen dramatically between 98 and 2001 and playing those games today Halo is better game, despite featuring one of the worst level designs in history of the genre. Especially since it also has great MP unlike HL1

As franchises though? HL2 along with OB is better than any Halo ever made, but HL1? Nah

AdrianWerner

OK, weird. I found HL1 much more intense and exciting than HL2.

PC games are rated by harser standards in dreams, only.

SODRChief

[QUOTE="kejigoto"]

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Damage control.

I don't want to post the useless console scores of Half-Life, it's a testament to the fact that a console game is held to higher standards than a console game.

SODRChief

Oh come on, Half-Life's console outings scored at the lowest an 88 (MetaCritic) which was on the PS2 edition. Half-Life 2 for the Xbox scored a 90, still not nearly as bad as the PC edition of Halo 2.

Also way to dance around the subject here that Half-Life clearly has a better average than both Halo 2 and Halo 3 (which came out nearly 3 years later). Plus I'd like to once again point out here that Half-Life and Half-Life 2 only come with a single player mode, where all the Halo's seem to rely more on their multiplayer side of things and that is really the major draw there.

Half-Life may have scored slightly lower than a game that came out 3 years after it launched, but the second installment alone out does both the Halo sequels, which I think speaks volumes in and of itself.

Spin away.

Bad try to dance around the subject. 4-0. I'm not saying Half-Life sucks. Halo is just one of the greatest games ever.

No wonder it was #2 after OoT on a "greatest ever poll" here at GameSpot (the latest, I think).

Spin away.

You aren't addressing a thing I'm putting out there, simply bringing up what you posted in your first post and calling that good. Halo is a far cry away from being even close to the top 100 greatest games of all time. Your fanboy logic proves nothing more than you're only willing to listen to yourself and anyone that agrees with your opinion, beyond that you could care less about what anyone else says and there fore you have some how convinced yourself that you are correct.

I'm done feeding trolls here, sometimes we all forget that trying to debate with a fanboy is like trying to teach simple math to a brick wall, it just won't happen.

It is. Half Life was basically the most revolutionary thing to happen to the shooter genre since Doom. All Halo did was popularize PC-styIe shooters on consoles, nothing more.

Not to mention that PC games are rated by harsher standards than console games and that Half Life came out in 1998 and Halo in 2001.

foxhound_fox

PC games were rated by much harsher standards then, not now. You could try and argue against that, but could you honestly say that CoD4 (9.0) comes anywhere close to the quality of a game like Dues Ex (8.2)?

Halo: Combat Evolved is better than Half-Life. Some people in here are just posting the same thing, "Half-Life came out first, so its better". Some others are saying Half-Life is better because they think Halo is an overrated game, and some just think its the best game ever.

Whatever, we all have our opinions.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]PC games are rated by harser standards in dreams, only.

foxhound_fox

It came out later, so standards where higher. If halo came out in 2001 and scored a point high, if it came out in 1998 don't you think it could have been a 10?

This is a topic about CS?

All the people started talking about CS when they couldn't put forward a good argument to my unstoppable 4-0 argument. Sorry, wasn't me.

SODRChief

Didn't I completely dismantle your supposed 4-0 argument?

As for your comments about CS not being more popular than the Halo MP....

Just to put this kindly... Counter-Strike sold 4.2 million copies RETAIL(stand-alone). Throw in the Steam purchases, and bundled sales(when it has been bundled with other games) as well as downloads when it was a mod(extremely successful as a mod, hence why it got picked up for retail distribution)....

Well, it has easily broken 6 million.

There have not been 6 million people who have played Halo 3 multiplayer... No matter how much you tell yourself that everyone who has purchased Halo 3 has played the multiplayer, it simply IS NOT TRUE. There are millions who have only played the singleplayer in Halo 3... Hell, I wouldn't be suprised if more than half of the people who bought the game completely skipped the multiplayer...

With Counter-Strike... Well, that is a completely stand-alone product... People who bought Counter-Strike played the multiplayer, because that is all there was....

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Halo is overall better than HL1, the standarts for the genre have risen dramatically between 98 and 2001 and playing those games today Halo is better game, despite featuring one of the worst level designs in history of the genre. Especially since it also has great MP unlike HL1

As franchises though? HL2 along with OB is better than any Halo ever made, but HL1? Nah

SODRChief

OK, weird. I found HL1 much more intense and exciting than HL2.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="kejigoto"]

Oh come on, Half-Life's console outings scored at the lowest an 88 (MetaCritic) which was on the PS2 edition. Half-Life 2 for the Xbox scored a 90, still not nearly as bad as the PC edition of Halo 2.

Also way to dance around the subject here that Half-Life clearly has a better average than both Halo 2 and Halo 3 (which came out nearly 3 years later). Plus I'd like to once again point out here that Half-Life and Half-Life 2 only come with a single player mode, where all the Halo's seem to rely more on their multiplayer side of things and that is really the major draw there.

Half-Life may have scored slightly lower than a game that came out 3 years after it launched, but the second installment alone out does both the Halo sequels, which I think speaks volumes in and of itself.

Spin away.

kejigoto

Bad try to dance around the subject. 4-0. I'm not saying Half-Life sucks. Halo is just one of the greatest games ever.

No wonder it was #2 after OoT on a "greatest ever poll" here at GameSpot (the latest, I think).

Spin away.

You aren't addressing a thing I'm putting out there, simply bringing up what you posted in your first post and calling that good. Halo is a far cry away from being even close to the top 100 greatest games of all time. Your fanboy logic proves nothing more than you're only willing to listen to yourself and anyone that agrees with your opinion, beyond that you could care less about what anyone else says and there fore you have some how convinced yourself that you are correct.

I'm done feeding trolls here, sometimes we all forget that trying to debate with a fanboy is like trying to teach simple math to a brick wall, it just won't happen.

The fact that Halo outscored Half-Life on all major sites and was above in GameSpot's last Greatest Games Ever Poll shows that if CE is not in Top 100, Half-Life is nowhere close to Top 100.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]PC games are rated by harser standards in dreams, only.

foxhound_fox

Which is why HL scored lower on consoles?

Man, I know you LOVE your PC, but just accept the fact that Halo is more than "another overrated generic console FPS that scored high of low standards".

It came out later, so standards where higher. If halo came out in 2001 and scored a point high, if it came out in 1998 don't you think it could have been a 10?Camer999

If you think Half-Life is better than Halo, come here.one of the fastes bumping topic in a week!

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

This is a topic about CS?

All the people started talking about CS when they couldn't put forward a good argument to my unstoppable 4-0 argument. Sorry, wasn't me.

horrowhip

Didn't I completely dismantle your supposed 4-0 argument?

As for your comments about CS not being more popular than the Halo MP....

Just to put this kindly... Counter-Strike sold 4.2 million copies RETAIL(stand-alone). Throw in the Steam purchases, and bundled sales(when it has been bundled with other games) as well as downloads when it was a mod(extremely successful as a mod, hence why it got picked up for retail distribution)....

Well, it has easily broken 6 million.

There have not been 6 million people who have played Halo 3 multiplayer... No matter how much you tell yourself that everyone who has purchased Halo 3 has played the multiplayer, it simply IS NOT TRUE. There are millions who have only played the singleplayer in Halo 3... Hell, I wouldn't be suprised if more than half of the people who bought the game completely skipped the multiplayer...

With Counter-Strike... Well, that is a completely stand-alone product... People who bought Counter-Strike played the multiplayer, because that is all there was....

I never said total players of Halo 3 MP > total CS players.

I said that more people play Halo 3's online multiplayer on 360 each day than people play any CS version's online multiplayer on a computer each day, unless, of course, you show me your god-like link to prove me wrong.

Which is why HL scored lower on consoles?

Man, I know you LOVE your PC, but just accept the fact that Halo is more than "another overrated generic console FPS that scored high of low standards".

SODRChief

I think you the people who choose Halo choose it because, they weren't old enough at the time of Half Life's release to realize how much HL has revolutionized gaming as a whole.Deadly_Fatalis

The fact that Halo outscored Half-Life on all major sites and was above in GameSpot's last Greatest Games Ever Poll shows that if CE is not in Top 100, Half-Life is nowhere close to Top 100.

SODRChief

foxhound_fox, lol at "I'm sure..." I smell insecurity. Anyway, stop posting insulting comments and face the fact that I'm not bashing any game.

I think you the people who choose Halo choose it because, they weren't old enough at the time of Half Life's release to realize how much HL has revolutionized gaming as a whole.Deadly_Fatalis

Keep practising on the Damage Control, buddy.

Halo wasn't revolutionary at all by PC standards, it only introduced FPS's to consoles.

The fact of the matter is that it borrowed heavily from Half-Life, so Half-Life in the end is more influential.

[QUOTE="kejigoto"]

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Bad try to dance around the subject. 4-0. I'm not saying Half-Life sucks. Halo is just one of the greatest games ever.

No wonder it was #2 after OoT on a "greatest ever poll" here at GameSpot (the latest, I think).

Spin away.

SODRChief

You aren't addressing a thing I'm putting out there, simply bringing up what you posted in your first post and calling that good. Halo is a far cry away from being even close to the top 100 greatest games of all time. Your fanboy logic proves nothing more than you're only willing to listen to yourself and anyone that agrees with your opinion, beyond that you could care less about what anyone else says and there fore you have some how convinced yourself that you are correct.

I'm done feeding trolls here, sometimes we all forget that trying to debate with a fanboy is like trying to teach simple math to a brick wall, it just won't happen.

The fact that Halo outscored Half-Life on all major sites and was above in GameSpot's last Greatest Games Ever Poll shows that if CE is not in Top 100, Half-Life is nowhere close to Top 100.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="kejigoto"]

You aren't addressing a thing I'm putting out there, simply bringing up what you posted in your first post and calling that good. Halo is a far cry away from being even close to the top 100 greatest games of all time. Your fanboy logic proves nothing more than you're only willing to listen to yourself and anyone that agrees with your opinion, beyond that you could care less about what anyone else says and there fore you have some how convinced yourself that you are correct.

I'm done feeding trolls here, sometimes we all forget that trying to debate with a fanboy is like trying to teach simple math to a brick wall, it just won't happen.

SamiRDuran

The fact that Halo outscored Half-Life on all major sites and was above in GameSpot's last Greatest Games Ever Poll shows that if CE is not in Top 100, Half-Life is nowhere close to Top 100.

There are far more Sony fans than MS fans here.

Halo wasn't revolutionary at all by PC standards, it only introduced FPS's to consoles.

The fact of the matter is that it borrowed heavily from Half-Life, so Half-Life in the end is more influential.

stepat201

thats because xbox fans vote only for Halo. half life has a huge competition as there have been lots of legendary games on the pc platform.SamiRDuran

I still take the Half Life series over the Halo series. I don't let scores dictate what games I enjoy more than others. Also the Half Life series along side with the Doom series and Dues Ex series is a lotinfluential than the Halo series.

Yes Half Life is better than Halo.

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"][QUOTE="SODRChief"]

The fact that Halo outscored Half-Life on all major sites and was above in GameSpot's last Greatest Games Ever Poll shows that if CE is not in Top 100, Half-Life is nowhere close to Top 100.

SODRChief

There are far more Sony fans than MS fans here.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]Which is why HL scored lower on consoles?

Man, I know you LOVE your PC, but just accept the fact that Halo is more than "another overrated generic console FPS that scored high of low standards".

foxhound_fox

It still got AAA years after it came on XBOX, when ported to PC.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"] thats because xbox fans vote only for Halo. half life has a huge competition as there have been lots of legendary games on the pc platform.SamiRDuran

There are far more Sony fans than MS fans here.

thats because xbox fans vote only for Halo. half life has a huge competition as there have been lots of legendary games on the pc platform.SamiRDuran

There are far more Sony fans than MS fans here.

The fact that Halo outscored Half-Life on all major sites and was above in GameSpot's last Greatest Games Ever Poll shows that if CE is not in Top 100, Half-Life is nowhere close to Top 100.

SODRChief

the poll is fan driven and Halo fanboys are rabid, voting again and again for Halo.. They do this all the time....

If you want a "Greatest Games Ever" list by non-bias industry journalists, look no further than these:

http://top100.ign.com/2007/

Half-Life = #26

Half-Life 2 = #6

Halo: Combat Evolved = #32

Halo 2 = Not on the list...

http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/greatestgames/

Half-Life is on that list...

Halo: Combat Evolve is nowhere to be found.

So 2-0 Half-Life for Greatest Game Ever Lists by actually non-biased sources

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]Which is why HL scored lower on consoles?

Man, I know you LOVE your PC, but just accept the fact that Halo is more than "another overrated generic console FPS that scored high of low standards".

Camer999

It still got AAA years after it came on XBOX, when ported to PC.

perfect_chao, I wouldn't say more people prefer Half-Life...

SODRChief

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"][QUOTE="SODRChief"]

There are far more Sony fans than MS fans here.

Avian005

I never said total players of Halo 3 MP > total CS players.

I said that more people play Halo 3's online multiplayer on 360 each day than people play any CS version's online multiplayer on a computer each day, unless, of course, you show me your god-like link to prove me wrong.

SODRChief

CS is a 10 year old game....

You don't think people have moved on from it over time? The fact that it STILL gets 90K+ players on any given day is amazing... Specifically given that Counter-Strike: Source fragmented the user-base...

Do you think that 10 years from now Halo 3 is even going to have 10K people playing it daily? No...

[QUOTE="stepat201"]

Halo wasn't revolutionary at all by PC standards, it only introduced FPS's to consoles.

The fact of the matter is that it borrowed heavily from Half-Life, so Half-Life in the end is more influential.

AdrianWerner

The way it tells the story with no cutscenes?

[QUOTE="Drukter"]Consoles have lower standards than PC when it comes to FPS games.Singularity22

^^ FACT

[QUOTE="Avian005"]

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"] yeah but Sony fans have so many great games to choose from when voting. xbox fans on the other hand vote blindly for halo each time. try to understand what i mean.SamiRDuran

[QUOTE="Singularity22"]

[QUOTE="Drukter"]Consoles have lower standards than PC when it comes to FPS games.SODRChief

^^ FACT

Weakest argument ever. LMAO. Halo > Half-Life in scores and sales and importance of FPS history. Just face it. Don't come up with weak and false arguments...

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"] thats because xbox fans vote only for Halo. half life has a huge competition as there have been lots of legendary games on the pc platform.SamiRDuran

There are far more Sony fans than MS fans here.

Xbox 360 OWNS PS3 in games this gen, so Xbox fans have A LOT MORE GAMES to choose from.

Good try, though.

Or no. Terrible try. And weak argument.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

perfect_chao, I wouldn't say more people prefer Half-Life...

TheGreatOutdoor

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"][QUOTE="SODRChief"]

There are far more Sony fans than MS fans here.

SODRChief

Xbox 360 OWNS PS3 in games this gen, so Xbox fans have A LOT MORE GAMES to choose from.

Good try, though.

Or no. Terrible try. And weak argument.

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

The fact that Halo outscored Half-Life on all major sites and was above in GameSpot's last Greatest Games Ever Poll shows that if CE is not in Top 100, Half-Life is nowhere close to Top 100.

horrowhip

the poll is fan driven and Halo fanboys are rabid, voting again and again for Halo.. They do this all the time....

If you want a "Greatest Games Ever" list by non-bias industry journalists, look no further than these:

http://top100.ign.com/2007/

Half-Life = #26

Half-Life 2 = #6

Halo: Combat Evolved = #32

Halo 2 = Not on the list...

http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/greatestgames/

Half-Life is on that list...

Halo: Combat Evolve is nowhere to be found.

So 2-0 Half-Life for Greatest Game Ever Lists by actually non-biased sources

[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]

[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

perfect_chao, I wouldn't say more people prefer Half-Life...

SamiRDuran