In defense of Tom McShea...

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

so tom is the only reviewer that was right? since you know 90& of reviewers gave this game a 90 or above?

OB-47

In Gamespot the number seems to hold alot more importance, and I hate IGN even more for having the childish score which ranks graphics sound etc. It's so stupid. Are we number whores now? The only magazine I find to have good reviews is Edge to be honest.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]He's clearly a Halo fanboy for saying ODST was "superb" when it's not. :|

Bigboi500

It was superb. The multiplayer alone and the thetare mode and customisable game types alone would get a 9.

GS standards. Personally I don't like numbers

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

Let's all admit that there is no way that SS should have been given a 10. In that case there are a lot of reviews out there that are much worse than Tom's, since they are willfully ignorant of the game's many flaws. Seriously like Tom ponted out in that pod cast a lot of those reviews have blatently false information that was regurgitated from Reggie's E3 speech.

vashkey

so tom is the only reviewer that was right? since you know 90& of reviewers gave this game a 90 or above?

he also doesnt have to be right this arguement goes both ways, the only people defending tom for his piss poor review are the ones that dont like zelda.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

Let's all admit that there is no way that SS should have been given a 10. In that case there are a lot of reviews out there that are much worse than Tom's, since they are willfully ignorant of the game's many flaws. Seriously like Tom ponted out in that pod cast a lot of those reviews have blatently false information that was regurgitated from Reggie's E3 speech.

GunSmith1_basic

so tom is the only reviewer that was right? since you know 90& of reviewers gave this game a 90 or above?

i dont udnerstand how you make these statements when you have not played the game....your beating a dead horse

he also has quite a few reviews that are very close to the averages. sometimes they are even over it.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

It was superb. The multiplayer alone and the thetare mode and customisable game types alone would get a 9.

OB-47

GS standards. Personally I don't like numbers

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

so tom is the only reviewer that was right? since you know 90& of reviewers gave this game a 90 or above?

Mario1331

he also doesnt have to be right this arguement goes both ways, the only people defending tom for his piss poor review are the ones that dont like zelda.

I'm sorry, but his issues are 100% valid. The controls have some great, responsive moments and other times the suck bad. I don't care what anybody says; they are not as reliable or good as a standard controller. The climbing/dashing/rolling mechanic is clunky and unresponsive. The sword mechanic requires absolute precision to work. It is not fluid at all. It's a great game, don't get me wrong, but all the rage towards his review for scoring it a 7.5 seems stupid. Then again, I buy the games to play them, not to use them as a feather in the cap for my system of choice.romans828_2002

In defense of Tom Mcshea, all Gamespot reviewers suck.

Slashless

How exactly? I think they do a pretty good job. Kevin VanOrd especially.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="vashkey"] He doesn't necessarily have to be wrong just because his score doesn't conform to the average.vashkey

he also doesnt have to be right this arguement goes both ways, the only people defending tom for his piss poor review are the ones that dont like zelda.

what objective? that he messed up? i dont care about the review either but theres no other objective but he had other complaints that once again other people did not have.

to top it off he wanted zelda to be a certain type of game which made me throw his review out the window anyway

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

so tom is the only reviewer that was right? since you know 90& of reviewers gave this game a 90 or above?

Mario1331

he also doesnt have to be right this arguement goes both ways, the only people defending tom for his piss poor review are the ones that dont like zelda.

No, not at all. I've been a Zelda fan since the first one released. It was the first game that I truly loved. I think his review is spot on. I could just as easily say that those who are slamming his review are raging pathetic lunatic fanboys. It works both ways, as you said.

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

he also doesnt have to be right this arguement goes both ways, the only people defending tom for his piss poor review are the ones that dont like zelda.

Mario1331

what objective? that he messed up? i dont care about the review either but theres no other objective but he had other complaints that once again other people did not have.

to top it off he wanted zelda to be a certain type of game which made me throw his review out the window anyway

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="vashkey"] He doesn't necessarily have to be wrong just because his score doesn't conform to the average.romans828_2002

he also doesnt have to be right this arguement goes both ways, the only people defending tom for his piss poor review are the ones that dont like zelda.

did you play it?

[QUOTE="Slashless"]

In defense of Tom Mcshea, all Gamespot reviewers suck.

Vari3ty

How exactly? I think they do a pretty good job. Kevin VanOrd especially.

Why do people put Nintendo on such a high pedestal? Haven't seen any innovation from their studios in the past 10 years except for SMG. All I see in this thread are people wearing those rose tinted nostalgia goggles getting butthurt over a review that is better written and more in-depth than >90% of the reviews praising this game with 9/10 and 10/10 scores on metacritic.shakmaster13

[QUOTE="romans828_2002"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

he also doesnt have to be right this arguement goes both ways, the only people defending tom for his piss poor review are the ones that dont like zelda.

Mario1331

did you play it?

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="vashkey"] Lol, I don't dislike Zelda, I just don't take reviews personally and know how to view them objectively...vashkey

what objective? that he messed up? i dont care about the review either but theres no other objective but he had other complaints that once again other people did not have.

to top it off he wanted zelda to be a certain type of game which made me throw his review out the window anyway

my point is that your saying you can view them objectively and im saying under what objectve his review is completely opposite then what everybody else is saying, its like your going to see a movie and you asked 10 people about it, 9 of them said its good and 1 person didnt, are you going to not see the movie because of that one person? i hope not

i threw his review out because it was poorly written, he sounded like he wanted zelda to be some skyrim wanabe and he had no idea to use the motion controls. if you lost in your own review im not going to pay you no attention, granted i pay no reiew any attention only my own personal review matters to me anyways

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]Why do people put Nintendo on such a high pedestal? Haven't seen any innovation from their studios in the past 10 years except for SMG. All I see in this thread are people wearing those rose tinted nostalgia goggles getting butthurt over a review that is better written and more in-depth than >90% of the reviews praising this game with 9/10 and 10/10 scores on metacritic.vashkey

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="romans828_2002"] No, not at all. I've been a Zelda fan since the first one released. It was the first game that I truly loved. I think his review is spot on.romans828_2002

did you play it?

it seems like thats what all the haters are doing right now saying tom is right without playing it.

ifyou feel his review is spot on then more power to you but my own personal experience i havent witnessed any of these problems. besides it being the traditional zelda formula which isnt really a bad thing. i had to recalibrate probably only once or twice but that was my own fault

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]Why do people put Nintendo on such a high pedestal? Haven't seen any innovation from their studios in the past 10 years except for SMG. All I see in this thread are people wearing those rose tinted nostalgia goggles getting butthurt over a review that is better written and more in-depth than >90% of the reviews praising this game with 9/10 and 10/10 scores on metacritic.vashkey

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

what objective? that he messed up? i dont care about the review either but theres no other objective but he had other complaints that once again other people did not have.

to top it off he wanted zelda to be a certain type of game which made me throw his review out the window anyway

Mario1331

my point is that your saying you can view them objectively and im saying under what objectve his review is completely opposite then what everybody else is saying, its like your going to see a movie and you asked 10 people about it, 9 of them said its good and 1 person didnt, are you going to not see the movie because of that one person? i hope not

i threw his review out because it was poorly written, he sounded like he wanted zelda to be some skyrim wanabe and he had no idea to use the motion controls. if you lost in your own review im not going to pay you no attention, granted i pay no reiew any attention only my own personal review matters to me anyways

Why do people put Nintendo on such a high pedestal? Haven't seen any innovation from their studios in the past 10 years except for SMG. All I see in this thread are people wearing those rose tinted nostalgia goggles getting butthurt over a review that is better written and more in-depth than >90% of the reviews praising this game with 9/10 and 10/10 scores on metacritic.shakmaster13

who innovates to you?

[QUOTE="romans828_2002"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

did you play it?

Mario1331

it seems like thats what all the haters are doing right now saying tom is right without playing it.

ifyou feel his review is spot on then more power to you but my own personal experience i havent witnessed any of these problems. besides it being the traditional zelda formula which isnt really a bad thing. i had to recalibrate probably only once or twice but that was my own fault

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="vashkey"] So since he had dferent complaints than other reviewers he's wrong? Whats the point of looking a different reviews if you can't accept different perspectives and points?romans828_2002

my point is that your saying you can view them objectively and im saying under what objectve his review is completely opposite then what everybody else is saying, its like your going to see a movie and you asked 10 people about it, 9 of them said its good and 1 person didnt, are you going to not see the movie because of that one person? i hope not

i threw his review out because it was poorly written, he sounded like he wanted zelda to be some skyrim wanabe and he had no idea to use the motion controls. if you lost in your own review im not going to pay you no attention, granted i pay no reiew any attention only my own personal review matters to me anyways

its not i was just answering vashkeys questions and where just discussing it

[QUOTE="romans828_2002"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

my point is that your saying you can view them objectively and im saying under what objectve his review is completely opposite then what everybody else is saying, its like your going to see a movie and you asked 10 people about it, 9 of them said its good and 1 person didnt, are you going to not see the movie because of that one person? i hope not

i threw his review out because it was poorly written, he sounded like he wanted zelda to be some skyrim wanabe and he had no idea to use the motion controls. if you lost in your own review im not going to pay you no attention, granted i pay no reiew any attention only my own personal review matters to me anyways

Mario1331

its not i was just answering vashkeys questions and where just discussing it

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

what objective? that he messed up? i dont care about the review either but theres no other objective but he had other complaints that once again other people did not have.

to top it off he wanted zelda to be a certain type of game which made me throw his review out the window anyway

Mario1331

my point is that your saying you can view them objectively and im saying under what objectve his review is completely opposite then what everybody else is saying, its like your going to see a movie and you asked 10 people about it, 9 of them said its good and 1 person didnt, are you going to not see the movie because of that one person? i hope not

i threw his review out because it was poorly written, he sounded like he wanted zelda to be some skyrim wanabe and he had no idea to use the motion controls. if you lost in your own review im not going to pay you no attention, granted i pay no reiew any attention only my own personal review matters to me anyways

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="romans828_2002"] Of course. I haven't finished it, mind you, as I've been buried deep in Skyrim, but I how would I know how the game controlled if I hadn't played it?romans828_2002

it seems like thats what all the haters are doing right now saying tom is right without playing it.

ifyou feel his review is spot on then more power to you but my own personal experience i havent witnessed any of these problems. besides it being the traditional zelda formula which isnt really a bad thing. i had to recalibrate probably only once or twice but that was my own fault

i didnt say you were hating on it im talking about others.

it has flaw but i dont agree 7.5 flaws but thats just my opinions and by the way you sound i dont think these flaws you are having are bothering you thats much

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

so tom is the only reviewer that was right? since you know 90& of reviewers gave this game a 90 or above?

Mario1331

he also doesnt have to be right this arguement goes both ways, the only people defending tom for his piss poor review are the ones that dont like zelda.

False. I love the Zelda series. I would say it's just his opinion and he has a right to it. He didn't like it as much as the next guy. So what?

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="romans828_2002"] Then what's the point of discussing this one? It didn't match yours. According to you, it doesn't matter anyway. Just move on, no offense. It's really not that big of a deal.romans828_2002

its not i was just answering vashkeys questions and where just discussing it

its cool man no biggie

[QUOTE="romans828_2002"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

it seems like thats what all the haters are doing right now saying tom is right without playing it.

ifyou feel his review is spot on then more power to you but my own personal experience i havent witnessed any of these problems. besides it being the traditional zelda formula which isnt really a bad thing. i had to recalibrate probably only once or twice but that was my own fault

Mario1331

i didnt say you were hating on it im talking about others.

it has flaw but i dont agree 7.5 flaws but thats just my opinions and by the way you sound i dont think these flaws you are having are bothering you thats much

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]Why do people put Nintendo on such a high pedestal? Haven't seen any innovation from their studios in the past 10 years except for SMG. All I see in this thread are people wearing those rose tinted nostalgia goggles getting butthurt over a review that is better written and more in-depth than >90% of the reviews praising this game with 9/10 and 10/10 scores on metacritic.Mario1331

who innovates to you?

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"]Why do people put Nintendo on such a high pedestal? Haven't seen any innovation from their studios in the past 10 years except for SMG. All I see in this thread are people wearing those rose tinted nostalgia goggles getting butthurt over a review that is better written and more in-depth than >90% of the reviews praising this game with 9/10 and 10/10 scores on metacritic.Bigboi500

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="vashkey"] So since he had dferent complaints than other reviewers he's wrong? Whats the point of looking a different reviews if you can't accept different perspectives and points?vashkey

my point is that your saying you can view them objectively and im saying under what objectve his review is completely opposite then what everybody else is saying, its like your going to see a movie and you asked 10 people about it, 9 of them said its good and 1 person didnt, are you going to not see the movie because of that one person? i hope not

i threw his review out because it was poorly written, he sounded like he wanted zelda to be some skyrim wanabe and he had no idea to use the motion controls. if you lost in your own review im not going to pay you no attention, granted i pay no reiew any attention only my own personal review matters to me anyways

your misunderstanding me i dont like tom review reardless if he gave it a high score i dont care for review scores i just use it as a guideline.

im not whining im answering what you asked, idk it seems tom had a lot of that going on by the way he sounded tbh i guess he was not being objective.

i did give it a chance and im playing it and now im leaning towards tom just didnt know what he was doing

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="vashkey"] How was Super Mario Galaxy innovative?vashkey

I hate to say this, but innovative is not really necessary for every game. To say a game is bad because it doesn't innovate is a bit silly to me. The Mario formula works. Too much innovation would gut its soul, just like it would for Zelda, Halo, CoD, Assassins Creed, Uncharted, etc. The key is to throw out or change what doesn't really work.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]Why do people put Nintendo on such a high pedestal? Haven't seen any innovation from their studios in the past 10 years except for SMG. All I see in this thread are people wearing those rose tinted nostalgia goggles getting butthurt over a review that is better written and more in-depth than >90% of the reviews praising this game with 9/10 and 10/10 scores on metacritic.shakmaster13

who innovates to you?

everybody gets their ideas from something so eh.

just because you dont like nintendo much doesnt mean they arent innovative you kow

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Gravity physics and level design. No other platformer even comes close to that kind of perfection. Even the most despicable run-of-the-mill Nintendo haters notice it.

romans828_2002

I hate to say this, but innovative is not really necessary for every game. To say a game is bad because it doesn't innovate is a bit silly to me. The Mario formula works. Too much innovation would gut its soul, just like it would for Zelda, Halo, CoD, Assassins Creed, Uncharted, etc. The key is to throw out or change what doesn't really work.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="romans828_2002"] I'm not hating on it at all, and I don't think that Tom was, either. In fact, he said that the level design and story were really strong. It's a really good game. I'm simply acknowledging that yes, the game has flaws, and they are annoying to me.romans828_2002

i didnt say you were hating on it im talking about others.

it has flaw but i dont agree 7.5 flaws but thats just my opinions and by the way you sound i dont think these flaws you are having are bothering you thats much

is it bothering you to the point where as you find it a 7.5 game?

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Gravity physics and level design. No other platformer even comes close to that kind of perfection. Even the most despicable run-of-the-mill Nintendo haters notice it.

romans828_2002

[QUOTE="romans828_2002"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

i didnt say you were hating on it im talking about others.

it has flaw but i dont agree 7.5 flaws but thats just my opinions and by the way you sound i dont think these flaws you are having are bothering you thats much

Mario1331

is it bothering you to the point where as you find it a 7.5 game?

I can't really say as I tend to reserve judgment until I've finished a game, or at least come close (or decide the game sucks too bad to finish). I'll dodge your question completely and say "maybe." Keep in mind, though, that I don't really delve too deeply into the whole numbers game. There are games that I dislike, ones that I like, and ones that I absolutely love. Right now, SS is somewhere between like and love.

I don't know who this guy is, but I have the sudden urge to stick my Goddess Sword in his forehead.

:P

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

who innovates to you?

Mario1331

everybody gets their ideas from something so eh.

just because you dont like nintendo much doesnt mean they arent innovative you kow

[QUOTE="romans828_2002"][QUOTE="vashkey"] Yeah, and games like Ratchet and Clank and Sonic the Hedgehog already did stuff like it. It has nothing to do with hating. I loved Super Mario Galaxy, it was a fantastic game, but it wasn't innovative.shakmaster13

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]He's clearly a Halo fanboy for saying ODST was "superb" when it's not. :|

Bigboi500

only a fanboy would post some absurd ultimatum like that.

'cuz I sayed so' is not a very good argument either. just saying.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

[QUOTE="romans828_2002"] I hate to say this, but innovative is not really necessary for every game. To say a game is bad because it doesn't innovate is a bit silly to me. The Mario formula works. Too much innovation would gut its soul, just like it would for Zelda, Halo, CoD, Assassins Creed, Uncharted, etc.romans828_2002

I think mainly why people rage is because they think Tom McShea only likes adult games and are raging about the hate on a nintendo game. Seriously people it was a review. A REVIEW. shadowchronicle

Bro, reviews are serious business.

He doesn't need any defense. He rated it what he thought it should get.Everybody do not love or hate every videogame equally. If that happened this place wouldn't exist.. Its just a simple opinion.

[QUOTE="romans828_2002"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"] I agree, However, certain games just give me that feeling that I have pretty much played it before. This is for a game or two but eventually it gets way too repetitive, as is the case with all the series you mentioned. That's not to say the series that you mentioned aren't good, just that they shouldn't really be given too much praise. Last I checked 7,5 meant good according to the GS scale.

shakmaster13

Perhaps. I guess it all depends on how you look at things. Then again, I groaned when I heard that Ezio was in AC:Rev. Some games do need change more than others. I guess I'm just biased in my opinion on which ones I think need it and how long I can tolerate the same type stuff.