In defense of Tom McShea...

Tom mcshea = Gordon Ramseyhippiesanta

Skyward Sword was raw?..

[QUOTE="KevinPlanet"]

Tom McShea sucks

[QUOTE="vashkey"] Why?vashkey

I love the Halo series but lets be honest, critics and fanboys love to harp about a sequel not innovating or just outright not being better than its prequel,

But after playing Halo: Anniversary and then playing Halo 3, then playing Halo 3: ODST and then playing Halo: Reach I realized just how similar those games REALLY are.

-Walk into a narrow or open area shoot grunts and elites

-Walk into another narrow or open area and shoot more grunts and elites

-Drive a warthog

-The End

There really is no gameplay variety to speak of, Halo: Reach notwithstanding (fantastic game, single player and multiplayer) and I doubt Halo 4 is going to innovate on anything nor is it going to be better than Halo: Reach. Halo: Anniversary proved that 343 Industries are simply not Bungie, corridors all had a similar look, glitches that caused the game to freeze, awkward checkpoints. Bungie clearly knew what they were doing when they made Halo: Reach

You're referring to Halo: Reach...there are no armor abilities in Halo 3 and Halo 4 will be a direct sequel to Halo 3 not Reach. Reach actually spiced up the gameplay and the self-contained story was IMO better than the numbered Halo's. The numbered Halos pretty much lack gameplay variety, like I said, shoot grunts, shoot elites, shoot grunts, shoot more elites, shoot a couple hunters, and shoot a couple thousand jackals....rinse repeat till end. Its still fun but its getting tired, especially after I played Anniversary

You're mistaken, Halo: Anniversary was developed by 343 Industries, and the engine was developed by Saber Interactive, and the multiplayer maps were developed by Certain Affinity and 343 Industries. If that is their best effort at their introduction to the Halo series after Bungie then they are clearly not in the same league as Bungie

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

are people still raging about zelda? Come on.

Bread_or_Decide

I wonder how many fanboys would even mention the written review if he gave it AAA, it's sad.tomarlyn

Though I may disagree with him I still respect his opinions. For example, the Infamous 2 review. I thought that his critisims of the game were way too harsh. However, it didn't stop me from playing the game and got over it.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

are people still raging about zelda? Come on.

Bigboi500

Though I may disagree with him I still respect his opinions. For example, the Infamous 2 review. I thought that his critisims of the game were way too harsh. However, it didn't stop me from playing the game and got over it.

Zero_epyon

This is what i've been saying for awhile now

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Tom McShea fell into the gigantic void of reviewer irrelevence after his Infamous 2 review. The only credible reviewers for me are Kevin Van Ord, Chris Watters, Carolyn Petit, and the Giant Bomb crew.

Kandlegoat

Greg Kasavin was the best Reviewer on Gamespot.

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="KevinPlanet"]

I love the Halo series but lets be honest, critics and fanboys love to harp about a sequel not innovating or just outright not being better than its prequel,

But after playing Halo: Anniversary and then playing Halo 3, then playing Halo 3: ODST and then playing Halo: Reach I realized just how similar those games REALLY are.

-Walk into a narrow or open area shoot grunts and elites

-Walk into another narrow or open area and shoot more grunts and elites

-Drive a warthog

-The End

There really is no gameplay variety to speak of, Halo: Reach notwithstanding (fantastic game, single player and multiplayer) and I doubt Halo 4 is going to innovate on anything nor is it going to be better than Halo: Reach. Halo: Anniversary proved that 343 Industries are simply not Bungie, corridors all had a similar look, glitches that caused the game to freeze, awkward checkpoints. Bungie clearly knew what they were doing when they made Halo: Reach

KevinPlanet

You're referring to Halo: Reach...there are no armor abilities in Halo 3 and Halo 4 will be a direct sequel to Halo 3 not Reach. Reach actually spiced up the gameplay and the self-contained story was IMO better than the numbered Halo's. The numbered Halos pretty much lack gameplay variety, like I said, shoot grunts, shoot elites, shoot grunts, shoot more elites, shoot a couple hunters, and shoot a couple thousand jackals....rinse repeat till end. Its still fun but its getting tired, especially after I played Anniversary

You're mistaken, Halo: Anniversary was developed by 343 Industries, and the engine was developed by Saber Interactive, and the multiplayer maps were developed by Certain Affinity and 343 Industries. If that is their best effort at their introduction to the Halo series after Bungie then they are clearly not in the same league as Bungie

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

are people still raging about zelda? Come on.

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] And sheep wonder why people don't like them very much and hope their games flop. edo-tensei

whose the biggest faction then if not cows? sheep ar non existant and lemmings seem to not have a lot of numbers either

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Cows are the biggest fanboys on System Wars and the most unliked group of all. Everybody knows this...except cows like you. :lol:

Mario1331

whose the biggest faction then if not cows? sheep ar non existant and lemmings seem to not have a lot of numbers either

Untrue, cows are just only the minority in the sw community. edo-tensei

I might respect his opinion if he gives Halo 4 a 7.5.

Bigboi500

It's easy to hate on a series you have never played.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

I might respect his opinion if he gives Halo 4 a 7.5.

MigElite

It's easy to hate on a series you have never played.

Halo 4 isn't even out yet and people have already made their mind up about it! And that's exactly the problem with Skyward Sword.

And before anyone calls me a Halo fanboy, I've never played through them, I don't like the mechanics but they're undoubtedly good games.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

I might respect his opinion if he gives Halo 4 a 7.5.

MigElite

It's easy to hate on a series you have never played.

The thing I didn't get at the end is: Tom McShea is actually real? Isn't "he" just like some kind of metaphore GS is using on us?

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]Untrue, cows are just only the minority in the sw community. Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"]Untrue, cows are just only the minority in the sw community. DarkLink77

That was a funny joke though.

Sooooooo GTA4 hate thread in disguise? lol.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"]Untrue, cows are just only the minority in the sw community. DarkLink77

360 fanboys are the majority here. PS3 comes second. These two groups then pick on the 320x240 Wii fanboys. Then there's the pc crowd, who either side with the wii and ps3...for exclusives.

All reviews are unique in their bias, in their attitudes...etc they should be treated as such but too often people treat it as peice meal if you like this reviewer then you must love all his reviews if you hate him you must hate all his reviews.

But at this time there is no way to defend McSheas review he has freely admited to playing the game wrong when it came to the bow *even though the tutorial is fully represented* so who knows what else he played wrong. A professional reviewer shouldn't post a review based upon him playing a game wrong and then ignore when its called to be rereviewed....but then again gamespot has no professionals working in its offices.

In defense of Mcshea, my cat also fails at using the wii mote

All reviews are unique in their bias, in their attitudes...etc they should be treated as such but too often people treat it as peice meal if you like this reviewer then you must love all his reviews if you hate him you must hate all his reviews.

But at this time there is no way to defend McSheas review he has freely admited to playing the game wrong when it came to the bow *even though the tutorial is fully represented* so who knows what else he played wrong. A professional reviewer shouldn't post a review based upon him playing a game wrong and then ignore when its called to be rereviewed....but then again gamespot has no professionals working in its offices.

WilliamRLBaker

I agree, and very well put btw. ...Except for maybe the last sentence. It is hard to say all, but there are some really flawed reviews on this site. Aren't there a portion of people that pay this very site? I think if that is the case, games should be reviewed by two different people, and an average should be reached. Sort of like "two thumbs up, two thumbs down."

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]What fantasy land did I just enter.Heirren

360 fanboys are the majority here. PS3 comes second. These two groups then pick on the 320x240 Wii fanboys. Then there's the pc crowd, who either side with the wii and ps3...for exclusives.

Didn't play the game, but Zelda games are not bad but are extremely overrated, since the early Snes titles. and what's the big deal of a 7.5? Its almost 8.. and its his opinion. Whoever is upset with this, get a life.26whitewolf

Didn't play the game, but Zelda games are not bad but are extremely overrated, since the early Snes titles. and what's the big deal of a 7.5? Its almost 8.. and its his opinion. Whoever is upset with this, get a life.26whitewolf

Nobody should be upset about any of it. Especially not the score. The thing is there are aspects of the review that are factually wrong. That is the big issue here. Nothing is wrong with the guys opinion, but when you are paid to review games and IT IS YOUR JOB TO WRITE AN ACCURATE AND PROFESSIONAL REVIEW you should not falsify information to justify your dislike for a game.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Thank God someone else noticed that. I thought I was going crazy.DarkLink77

360 fanboys are the majority here. PS3 comes second. These two groups then pick on the 320x240 Wii fanboys. Then there's the pc crowd, who either side with the wii and ps3...for exclusives.

There's way more than 6.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]What fantasy land did I just enter.Heirren

360 fanboys are the majority here. PS3 comes second. These two groups then pick on the 320x240 Wii fanboys. Then there's the pc crowd, who either side with the wii and ps3...for exclusives.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

360 fanboys are the majority here. PS3 comes second. These two groups then pick on the 320x240 Wii fanboys. Then there's the pc crowd, who either side with the wii and ps3...for exclusives.

Heirren

There's way more than 6.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] There's like 6 legit lemmings on this forum. How are they the majority?DarkLink77

There's way more than 6.

I'm not going to bother. The forum has a general "pro 360" vibe.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

There's way more than 6.

Heirren

I'm not going to bother. The forum has a general "pro 360" vibe.

Up until MGS4 came out this place was lemspot 100%. It seems more like an even balance between lems and cows now.

In defense of Tom Mcshea, all Gamespot reviewers suck.

Slashless

Nice.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

There's way more than 6.

Heirren

I'm not going to bother. The forum has a general "pro 360" vibe.

Tom mcshea = Gordon Ramseyhippiesanta

So you like Tom? I think Gordon is awesome!

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Start listin' 'em, then. I can list more legit Hermits than Lemmings.DarkLink77

I'm not going to bother. The forum has a general "pro 360" vibe.

Lets all just agree that this is HD twin territory and no country for old sheep.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

I'm not going to bother. The forum has a general "pro 360" vibe.

sandbox3d

Lets all just agree that this is HD twin territory and no country for old sheep.

Lets all just agree that this is HD twin territory and no country for old sheep.

sandbox3d

Except when Zelda flops. Then you'll witness the true power of the order of the sheep.

Up until MGS4 came out this place was lemspot 100%. It seems more like an even balance between lems and cows now.sandbox3d

It's his opinion. Doesn't mean I agree with it, at all. But that's that, and I don't care about it changing or anything like that. I also feel like GTA IV deserved its score. hensothor

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Start listin' 'em, then. I can list more legit Hermits than Lemmings.DarkLink77

I'm not going to bother. The forum has a general "pro 360" vibe.

I don't know if I'd word it like that. I'm not saying there aren't quite a few ps3 fanboys, but I still think MS has more. There's far too many people on this site that have blind devotion to MS. A lot of ps3 fanboys get labelled as such, but in reality are NOT fanboys. People call me a fanboy all the time and I'm not.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

I'm not going to bother. The forum has a general "pro 360" vibe.

Heirren

I don't know if I'd word it like that. I'm not saying there aren't quite a few ps3 fanboys, but I still think MS has more. There's far too many people on this site that have blind devotion to MS. A lot of ps3 fanboys get labelled as such, but in reality are NOT fanboys. People call me a fanboy all the time and I'm not.

Sheep are still butthurt over the review :lol:

Sheep are still butthurt over the review :lol:

anshul89

I am butthurt over the awesome level design and boss fights you experienced in your Kinect games :(

Sheep are still butthurt over the review :lol:

anshul89

The lunchroom must be a sad place these days.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

Let's all admit that there is no way that SS should have been given a 10. In that case there are a lot of reviews out there that are much worse than Tom's, since they are willfully ignorant of the game's many flaws. Seriously like Tom ponted out in that pod cast a lot of those reviews have blatently false information that was regurgitated from Reggie's E3 speech.

vashkey

so tom is the only reviewer that was right? since you know 90& of reviewers gave this game a 90 or above?

It's the ad populum fallacy. I can't count how many times I've seen people do this for SS, it's ridiculous. Justin Bieber's music is extremely popular, hence it's so. :roll: