Infinite Undiscovery-7.1 @ IGN

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]People complain about 35 hours, really? RPG's need to get down around 20 hours.BioShockOwnz

No way. Rpgs need to go up, and I like my platformers to be around the 20hr mark.

Yeah, the majority of RPG's wear me out if they extend past 25 hours. I usually just toss them on the shelf at that point, unless they engage me with the characters and story, like Lost Odyssey, but that's rare.

I agree that some Rpgs need to be around that mark because well the game just needs to end, but others like Persona 3 and Final Fantasy games need to be long because they are great engaging games.

"Along the way, Capell runs into a considerable number of allies. In fact, there are 18 characters you'll be micromanaging during the course of this fairly brief adventure. Capell can only take three other characters into his own personal party, but often you can form two subsidiary parties of four members a piece. These other parties will have their own goals, though your paths may intersect while hacking and slashing through a dungeon. This means that you have to try and keep everyone's armor and weapons as updated as possible, because you can never be sure when one of the 17 other characters will be required to assist Capell or when you'll break out into multiple groups"

Oh good God no. sad to see that this game wasn't the revolutionary behemoth it was hyped to be. No matter JRPG's are constantly getting innovative games recently so it isn't like this is needed.

However I to me IGN didn't explain the game fully. What is it like a linear JRPG with branch side-quests?

People complain about 35 hours, really? RPG's need to get down around 20 hours.BioShockOwnz

35 hours to do EVERYTHING? Not to mention 20 hours is just a mere drip in the genre to get the fufilment from it, well most of the time at least.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]People complain about 35 hours, really? RPG's need to get down around 20 hours.Ragnarok1051

No way. Rpgs need to go up, and I like my platformers to be around the 20hr mark.

I too am getting tired of short games, this is what I think

Action/Shooter - 10-15 hours minimum

Adventure/Platformer - 15-20 hours minimum

JRPG/WRPG - 50+ hours

That is just me though.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]People complain about 35 hours, really? RPG's need to get down around 20 hours.Ragnarok1051

No way. Rpgs need to go up, and I like my platformers to be around the 20hr mark.

Yeah, the majority of RPG's wear me out if they extend past 25 hours. I usually just toss them on the shelf at that point, unless they engage me with the characters and story, like Lost Odyssey, but that's rare.

I agree that some Rpgs need to be around that mark because well the game just needs to end, but others like Persona 3 and Final Fantasy games need to be long because they are great engaging games.

Yeah, Persona 3 and Lost Odyssey were the last RPG's to really engage me. FFXII was alright, but pretty disappointing.

It's a shame but the game never did look that polished. Even Tri-Ace's own Star Ocean 4 looks way better

This is a really damning score from IGN 360 considering how much they overrate everything.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]People complain about 35 hours, really? RPG's need to get down around 20 hours.Ragnarok1051

No way. Rpgs need to go up, and I like my platformers to be around the 20hr mark.

No, that's why they make other games

New games come to play when you're done with the old ones.

That's why they keep on releasing games, even in the same genre.

What does that have to do with what I said?

You want games to be even longer. What's the point?

Why drag out games that don't need to be that long while there's new games that are fresh waiting to be played?

One of the worst things in gaming is a game that's great in the first half then fails to keep it going to the end but you want that more often instead of a new game?

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]People complain about 35 hours, really? RPG's need to get down around 20 hours.BioShockOwnz

No way. Rpgs need to go up, and I like my platformers to be around the 20hr mark.

Yeah, the majority of RPG's wear me out if they extend past 25 hours. I usually just toss them on the shelf at that point, unless they engage me with the characters and story, like Lost Odyssey, but that's rare.

I agree that some Rpgs need to be around that mark because well the game just needs to end, but others like Persona 3 and Final Fantasy games need to be long because they are great engaging games.

Yeah, Persona 3 and Lost Odyssey were the last RPG's to really engage me. FFXII was alright, but pretty disappointing.

I was so disappointed with FF12. I waited through 4 years of high school and finally got the game in my first year of college. Almost 5 years of waiting and so much disappointment.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]People complain about 35 hours, really? RPG's need to get down around 20 hours.Ragnarok1051

No way. Rpgs need to go up, and I like my platformers to be around the 20hr mark.

Yeah, the majority of RPG's wear me out if they extend past 25 hours. I usually just toss them on the shelf at that point, unless they engage me with the characters and story, like Lost Odyssey, but that's rare.

I agree that some Rpgs need to be around that mark because well the game just needs to end, but others like Persona 3 and Final Fantasy games need to be long because they are great engaging games.

I like them longer. I have no problem sitting a game down and not coming back to it for six months or even a year and that makes it feel like I have known the characters for a long, long time, which I like.

As for Persona 3, I love that game, a lot; but I have no clue why. If you asked me to break down all the apsects of that game I would tell you how much I hate it. Pointless grinding, repetitive dungeons, social elements, but I still love it to death.

It's a shame but the game never did look that polished. Even Tri-Ace's own Star Ocean 4 looks way better

This is a really damning score from IGN 360 considering how much they overrate everything.

blushield

ToV scored better on Gamespot then it did on IGN. If you are taking about a reviewer that overrates everything, IGN is not one of them, look no further then PLAY magazine for that award.

Looks like this is getting a 5.0 on Gamespot. IGN gave Too Human a 7.8 and Gamespot gave it a 5.5. Oh well, day one buy for me. BioShockOwnz

Everythings a one day buy for you, wish I had that kind of money.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]People complain about 35 hours, really? RPG's need to get down around 20 hours.Jaysonguy

No way. Rpgs need to go up, and I like my platformers to be around the 20hr mark.

No, that's why they make other games

New games come to play when you're done with the old ones.

That's why they keep on releasing games, even in the same genre.

What does that have to do with what I said?

You want games to be even longer. What's the point?

Why drag out games that don't need to be that long while there's new games that are fresh waiting to be played?

One of the worst things in gaming is a game that's great in the first half then fails to keep it going to the end but you want that more often instead of a new game?

I want my games to be worthy of their price tag. 10hrs is not worthy.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]People complain about 35 hours, really? RPG's need to get down around 20 hours.Ragnarok1051

No way. Rpgs need to go up, and I like my platformers to be around the 20hr mark.

Yeah, the majority of RPG's wear me out if they extend past 25 hours. I usually just toss them on the shelf at that point, unless they engage me with the characters and story, like Lost Odyssey, but that's rare.

I agree that some Rpgs need to be around that mark because well the game just needs to end, but others like Persona 3 and Final Fantasy games need to be long because they are great engaging games.

Yeah, Persona 3 and Lost Odyssey were the last RPG's to really engage me. FFXII was alright, but pretty disappointing.

I was so disappointed with FF12. I waited through 4 years of high school and finally got the game in my first year of college. Almost 5 years of waiting and so much disappointment.

It is hard to describe how disappointed I was, and how much I hate, FF12. So much so that I am not really looking forward to 13 and it was one of the few ps2 RPG's I traded in.

Rogue Galaxy is real time combat done right in a JRPG.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Looks like this is getting a 5.0 on Gamespot. IGN gave Too Human a 7.8 and Gamespot gave it a 5.5. Oh well, day one buy for me. W1NGMAN-

Everythings a one day buy for you, wish I had that kind of money.

:) Pretty much. There's some rare exceptions, though.

It is hard to describe how disappointed I was, and how much I hate, FF12. So much so that I am not really looking forward to 13 and it was one of the few ps2 RPG's I traded in.

Rogue Galaxy is real time combat done right in a JRPG.

Coyo7e

To me Kingdom Hearts is how real time combat should be done in a JRPG. It just felt so fluid to me.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Looks like this is getting a 5.0 on Gamespot. IGN gave Too Human a 7.8 and Gamespot gave it a 5.5. Oh well, day one buy for me. BioShockOwnz

Everythings a one day buy for you, wish I had that kind of money.

:) Pretty much. There's some rare exceptions, though.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Looks like this is getting a 5.0 on Gamespot. IGN gave Too Human a 7.8 and Gamespot gave it a 5.5. Oh well, day one buy for me. BioShockOwnz

Everythings a one day buy for you, wish I had that kind of money.

:) Pretty much. There's some rare exceptions, though.

I used to be that way but no more. Even if you do have the money why spend it I say. I wait, get a better deal, and I still won't be finished with all the games I have.

Day one buys for me this year are Fable 2, STALKER Blue Sky, and left4dead. Maybe Fallout 3, just to make Fallout fans cry.

I want my games to be worthy of their price tag. 10hrs is not worthy.

Ragnarok1051

Then you don't buy that game

If a game isn't worthy for ten hours then a longer game isn't going to be worth more.

The emphasis should be on the quality of the game, not the longevity. Why play the mundane for 30 hours when you can play the exquisite for 15?

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Looks like this is getting a 5.0 on Gamespot. IGN gave Too Human a 7.8 and Gamespot gave it a 5.5. Oh well, day one buy for me. EuroMafia

Everythings a one day buy for you, wish I had that kind of money.

:) Pretty much. There's some rare exceptions, though.

Way to attack a poster :roll:

I'll be playing Tales of Vesperia this weekend.

:)

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Looks like this is getting a 5.0 on Gamespot. IGN gave Too Human a 7.8 and Gamespot gave it a 5.5. Oh well, day one buy for me. EuroMafia

Everythings a one day buy for you, wish I had that kind of money.

:) Pretty much. There's some rare exceptions, though.

Huh? :| No, no, no... I do not support piracy. Heck, I even buy all my portable games.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

I want my games to be worthy of their price tag. 10hrs is not worthy.

Jaysonguy

Then you don't buy that game

If a game isn't worthy for ten hours then a longer game isn't going to be worth more.

The emphasis should be on the quality of the game, not the longevity. Why play the mundane for 30 hours when you can play the exquisite for 15?

That's the problem with this gen. Games are getting so much shorter and that's it. I want my games longer, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure others would agree with me.

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Looks like this is getting a 5.0 on Gamespot. IGN gave Too Human a 7.8 and Gamespot gave it a 5.5. Oh well, day one buy for me. BioShockOwnz

Everythings a one day buy for you, wish I had that kind of money.

:) Pretty much. There's some rare exceptions, though.

Huh? :| No, no, no... I do not support piracy. Heck, I even buy all my portable games.

I have no idea where that implication came from.

ToV scored better on Gamespot then it did on IGN. If you are taking about a reviewer that overrates everything, IGN is not one of them, look no further then PLAY magazine for that award.

spinecaton

3% man. It's not that much

Compare that to the scores they gave like Too Human, Bioshock, Mass Effect, rainbow six vegas,Prey, ninja gaiden 2, dmc 4 etc

Gamespot overrates a few games too but not enarly as much as IGN and theya re far less susceptible to hype.That's what you get with News Corp

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

I want my games to be worthy of their price tag. 10hrs is not worthy.

Ragnarok1051

Then you don't buy that game

If a game isn't worthy for ten hours then a longer game isn't going to be worth more.

The emphasis should be on the quality of the game, not the longevity. Why play the mundane for 30 hours when you can play the exquisite for 15?

That's the problem with this gen. Games are getting so much shorter and that's it. I want my games longer, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure others would agree with me.

I agree with RPG's being longer. 15-20 hours for a shooter or action game is good.

Longer RPG's give me a sense of traveling on a long journey with the characters and I like that.

It sounds like Fable 2 could be just the game some people want, though. I will likely enjoy the game but be dissapointed with its length.

Edit: I don't think Jasonguy is serious, though. Nobody can say the things he has said and belive them, NOBODY!

I have no idea where that implication came from.Coyo7e

Yeah, me neither. I've posted pics of games to prove that I played through some games and didn't like them. Because you sometimes express that you didn't enjoy the game, and some people don't believe you've played it. Piracy is a no no. I actually like to support the hobby I enjoy.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

I want my games to be worthy of their price tag. 10hrs is not worthy.

Ragnarok1051

Then you don't buy that game

If a game isn't worthy for ten hours then a longer game isn't going to be worth more.

The emphasis should be on the quality of the game, not the longevity. Why play the mundane for 30 hours when you can play the exquisite for 15?

That's the problem with this gen. Games are getting so much shorter and that's it. I want my games longer, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure others would agree with me.

What are those hours being filled with though?

In an RPG are you trekking back and forth? Is just the speed of the game something that makes the game longer?

You think your way and that's great but if all devs did that no one would have time to be playing all the new games coming out. There would be no point to release games as often because no one would be buying them. One genre per quarter would be enough.

Plus it's not this gen that's new to game length. Look at Mario on the NES or Sonic on the Genesis or Phantasy Star on the SMS. All games that maximized their quality and didn't drag out the games.

You would be upset with the length of all those games and feel you weren't getting your money's worth

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]I have no idea where that implication came from.BioShockOwnz

Yeah, me neither. I've posted pics of games to prove that I played through some games and didn't like them. Because you sometimes express that you didn't enjoy the game, and some people don't believe you've played it. Piracy is a no no. I actually like to support the hobby I enjoy.

Maybe that implication came from a hint a jealousy? :P

[QUOTE="SolidGame_basic"]

Another great game for the RPG King 360!!

spinecaton

A good/decent RPG is better then no RPG at all, Lost Odyssey got a 7.5 and it is still a really engaging game. Shame that you write off anything below a certain score level.

That's not really what he means. Every lemming has kept saying 360 is the undisputed king of RPG's, but if all it's RPG's are getting A and AA that's not really something to boast about and we should all just stick with the PS2 as far as RPG's are concerned for now.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

I want my games to be worthy of their price tag. 10hrs is not worthy.

Jaysonguy

Then you don't buy that game

If a game isn't worthy for ten hours then a longer game isn't going to be worth more.

The emphasis should be on the quality of the game, not the longevity. Why play the mundane for 30 hours when you can play the exquisite for 15?

That's the problem with this gen. Games are getting so much shorter and that's it. I want my games longer, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure others would agree with me.

What are those hours being filled with though?

In an RPG are you trekking back and forth? Is just the speed of the game something that makes the game longer?

You think your way and that's great but if all devs did that no one would have time to be playing all the new games coming out. There would be no point to release games as often because no one would be buying them. One genre per quarter would be enough.

Plus it's not this gen that's new to game length. Look at Mario on the NES or Sonic on the Genesis or Phantasy Star on the SMS. All games that maximized their quality and didn't drag out the games.

You would be upset with the length of all those games and feel you weren't getting your money's worth

Are you serious?

I actually like to support the hobby I enjoy.

BioShockOwnz

Amen, one of the most important things you can do

Reward the people who make the games

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]I have no idea where that implication came from.BioShockOwnz

Yeah, me neither. I've posted pics of games to prove that I played through some games and didn't like them. Because you sometimes express that you didn't enjoy the game, and some people don't believe you've played it. Piracy is a no no. I actually like to support the hobby I enjoy.

Same, I have been known to support certain developers to a n extreme degree. Like Atlus, they make some bad games that I have purchased.

Pircay is nothing more then common thievery. The lame excuses they come up with are laughable as well. But what are you gonna do? The reality is most people are not honest, never have been , never will be. I know that is cynical but can you blame me?

All this game needs to score I believe is a 7.0 here to stay out of the "Flop Zone"...I think.

360 Year in Review

• LO - 7.5
• NG2 - 8.0
• Too Human - 5.5
• ToV - 8.5
• IU - ?

I think we can say the 360 is having a Sony 07.

All this game needs to score I believe is a 7.0 here to stay out of the "Flop Zone"...I think.

360 Year in Review

• LO - 7.5
• NG2 - 8.0
• Too Human - 5.5
• IU - ?

I think we can say the 360 is having a Sony 07.

W1NGMAN-

you forget vesperia. 8.5 here

All this game needs to score I believe is a 7.0 here to stay out of the "Flop Zone"...I think.

360 Year in Review

• LO - 7.5
• NG2 - 8.0
• Too Human - 5.5
• IU - ?

I think we can say the 360 is having a Sony 07.

W1NGMAN-

No. Those games you listed are better than what Sony had in '07. I played all those '07 games, and I didn't enjoy them nearly as much as I did those 3 flops.

All this game needs to score I believe is a 7.0 here to stay out of the "Flop Zone"...I think.

360 Year in Review

• LO - 7.5
• NG2 - 8.0
• Too Human - 5.5
• IU - ?

I think we can say the 360 is having a Sony 07.

W1NGMAN-

Also its funny how you missed out Tales of Vesperia...

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

All this game needs to score I believe is a 7.0 here to stay out of the "Flop Zone"...I think.

360 Year in Review

• LO - 7.5
• NG2 - 8.0
• Too Human - 5.5
• IU - ?

I think we can say the 360 is having a Sony 07.

BioShockOwnz

No. Those games you listed are better than what Sony had in '07. I played all those '07 games, and I didn't enjoy them nearly as much as I did those 3 flops.

Uncharted > NG2

you forget vesperia. 8.5 here

W1NGMAN-

Tales of Vesperia wasn't a flop..

[QUOTE="spinecaton"][QUOTE="SolidGame_basic"]

Another great game for the RPG King 360!!

angry_fork

A good/decent RPG is better then no RPG at all, Lost Odyssey got a 7.5 and it is still a really engaging game. Shame that you write off anything below a certain score level.

That's not really what he means. Every lemming has kept saying 360 is the undisputed king of RPG's, but if all it's RPG's are getting A and AA that's not really something to boast about and we should all just stick with the PS2 as far as RPG's are concerned for now.

Ah yes, because PS2 JRPGs all score high? Some of the most memorable JRPGs on the PS2 are the ones that scored in the AA-A range.

Hell 3 out of the 5 JRPGs that scored above a 9+ on Gamespot are all by Square Enix.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

I want my games to be worthy of their price tag. 10hrs is not worthy.

Ragnarok1051

Then you don't buy that game

If a game isn't worthy for ten hours then a longer game isn't going to be worth more.

The emphasis should be on the quality of the game, not the longevity. Why play the mundane for 30 hours when you can play the exquisite for 15?

That's the problem with this gen. Games are getting so much shorter and that's it. I want my games longer, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure others would agree with me.

What are those hours being filled with though?

In an RPG are you trekking back and forth? Is just the speed of the game something that makes the game longer?

You think your way and that's great but if all devs did that no one would have time to be playing all the new games coming out. There would be no point to release games as often because no one would be buying them. One genre per quarter would be enough.

Plus it's not this gen that's new to game length. Look at Mario on the NES or Sonic on the Genesis or Phantasy Star on the SMS. All games that maximized their quality and didn't drag out the games.

You would be upset with the length of all those games and feel you weren't getting your money's worth

Are you serious?

You're the one that wants all RPG's 50+ hours

Why would a dev push it's resources to their limit to get out a bunch of games that can't possible be bought alongside another game?

If all games were that long the quality would take the biggest hit because you can't add filler to every game. That's like asking every movie to be 3 hours.

Second, you'd have devs wait to release titles because they'd want to make sure people bought their games, not picked one over the other.

Heh, can't say I was expecting much.

So I can't really be disappointed with the score.

No. Those games you listed are better than what Sony had in '07. I played all those '07 games, and I didn't enjoy them nearly as much as I did those 3 flops.

BioShockOwnz

Yeah but your opinion isn't law

I agree it's not as bad as Sony 07 but that's because there are so many more titles and theys eem to be getting (on average) better scores.

I'm still holdiing out some hope for IU though. Radiata was cool

Looks like this is getting a 5.0 on Gamespot. IGN gave Too Human a 7.8 and Gamespot gave it a 5.5. Oh well, day one buy for me. BioShockOwnz

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Looks like this is getting a 5.0 on Gamespot. IGN gave Too Human a 7.8 and Gamespot gave it a 5.5. Oh well, day one buy for me. butteater86

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If he enjoys games despite what reviewers say, how is that a waste of money for him? I really don't understand some of you people.