Insomniac needs to shut their mouth.

What's with the idea that Insomniac is Sony? Insomniac has nothing to do with Sony other than make games for their console. It's a completely independent company.LordXelNaga

[QUOTE="ferretzor"]Some ridiculous replies have been written in this thread. I don't need to repeat what other posters defending Insomniac have said, but there is no need to attack Insomniac with Nintendo 'elitism'. Insomniac make great games, and it's hard to deny that if you've actually played them. SER69

No one is attacking Insomniac games.... they are great. The claim that SMG is based off of R&C is what we are proving IS wrong and all wishfull thinking from their part.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

1) A sphere, by definition, is a 3D object.

Redmoonxl2

And the sphere in the Raphael the Raven boss fight was a sphere with the action taking place in 2D frame. By your inability to just give in to that simple fact that the boss fight, in concept, takes place on a sphere, I guess you would consider the moon in the following picture a circle as well, correct?

Even looking at it from Earth, it looks like a circle, correct? Doesn't mean it is (Keyword) a circle.

I always thought about that fight when I read this. Was that from Yoshi Story or some other game?

Also, to the people who say Mario is a rehash, look at this.

In 20 years, Mario is on his 7th game.

In 5 years, R&C is on their 4th game.

Mario has been out 4 times as long, and doesn't even have double the games yet.

[QUOTE="ferretzor"]Some ridiculous replies have been written in this thread. I don't need to repeat what other posters defending Insomniac have said, but there is no need to attack Insomniac with Nintendo 'elitism'. Insomniac make great games, and it's hard to deny that if you've actually played them. SER69

No one is attacking Insomniac games.... they are great. The claim that SMG is based off of R&C is what we are proving IS wrong and all wishfull thinking from their part.

[QUOTE="SER69"]

[QUOTE="ferretzor"]Some ridiculous replies have been written in this thread. I don't need to repeat what other posters defending Insomniac have said, but there is no need to attack Insomniac with Nintendo 'elitism'. Insomniac make great games, and it's hard to deny that if you've actually played them. yungswift44

No one is attacking Insomniac games.... they are great. The claim that SMG is based off of R&C is what we are proving IS wrong and all wishfull thinking from their part.

And that's what is wrong. The concept of SMG existed way before R&C... do I have to post the interview, the Super Mario 128 concept shown on 2000, and Yoshi Story again??!

jawsome

[QUOTE="yungswift44"][QUOTE="SER69"]

[QUOTE="ferretzor"]Some ridiculous replies have been written in this thread. I don't need to repeat what other posters defending Insomniac have said, but there is no need to attack Insomniac with Nintendo 'elitism'. Insomniac make great games, and it's hard to deny that if you've actually played them. SER69

No one is attacking Insomniac games.... they are great. The claim that SMG is based off of R&C is what we are proving IS wrong and all wishfull thinking from their part.

And that's what is wrong. The concept of SMG existed way before R&C... do I have to post the interview, the Super Mario 128 concept shown on 2000, and Yoshi Story again??!

That picture of the moon is a circle, for the picture is 2-D.

Brutal_Elitegs

However, the moon itself is a sphere, which is my point.

Dude, now you are just insulting my intelligence. Or, you are deliberately being ignorant just to get on my nerves.

If you can't tell the difference between a picture of the moon, and the REAL MOON, then you have bigger issues than your issue with Insomniac. I'm not about to explain the difference for you.

ZIMdoom

I have no issue with Insomniac. My issue is with you and your inability to admit that the Raphael the Raven boss fight took place on a spherical object based on the concept and not the actual execution. Instead, you foolishly nitpick the execution, concluding that the fight doesn't count simply because on screen, the damn sphere looks like a circle thanks to a fixed angle. My argument is that you simply can't conclude on such idiocy because of what it looks like on screen the same way you can't conclude the Moon is a circle just by looking at it.

Are we following along or do I need to hold your hand through this reasoning? Either way, R&C is not the first video game series to use the small planet idea in any perspective, 2D and 3D. Games like Yoshi's Island and Sonic 3 used ideas within their games and I'm sure that many game developers have been thinking about doing the same even before those games were released. Even if you discount the Yoshi's Island example, the Super Mario 128 demo still beats R&C to the punch in terms of 3D representation. Insomniac are not the innovating geniuses they, as well as you, think.

I don't want to get into this, but didn't Sonic Adventure 2 have a level with spherical worlds? I think it was a level with rouge..

I just remember that..

this will be my last post but just a simple question...How does insomniac saying SMG borrowed the spherical world change your life in any way??yungswift44

It doesn't. It also doesn't change the fact that they are clearly wrong on that statement.

Ratchet And Clank>>>>>>>>>>>Mario

[QUOTE="SER69"]

[QUOTE="ferretzor"]Some ridiculous replies have been written in this thread. I don't need to repeat what other posters defending Insomniac have said, but there is no need to attack Insomniac with Nintendo 'elitism'. Insomniac make great games, and it's hard to deny that if you've actually played them. ferretzor

No one is attacking Insomniac games.... they are great. The claim that SMG is based off of R&C is what we are proving IS wrong and all wishfull thinking from their part.

Ratchet And Clank>>>>>>>>>>>Mario

AgentA-Mi6

As you said there are "Immature, fanboyish and pathetic" statements on both sides... you just have to ignore them.

;)

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]thats 2d. RC was first to do it in 3d.Redmoonxl2

The first Ratchet and Clank game was created in 2002 I believe. If anything, they ripped off Nintendo when they showed that tech demo.

Thats still doesn't change the fact thatRc was the fist to do it in 3d.

Actually it does if Nintendo publically shown a demo with characters interacting in spherical worlds before R&C released their first game. The burden of proof would be on Insomniac to present evidence predating the tech demo that proves they were the first to think up spherical worlds in game design.

That was a tech demo. RC was a full game. Let me say it like this then, RC was the first game RELEASED to ever do it.

[QUOTE="yungswift44"]this will be my last post but just a simple question...How does insomniac saying SMG borrowed the spherical world change your life in any way??SER69

It doesn't. It also doesn't change the fact that they are clearly wrong on that statement.

Ratchet And Clank>>>>>>>>>>>Mario

AgentA-Mi6

training to be a stand up comedian are we?

[QUOTE="ferretzor"][QUOTE="SER69"]

[QUOTE="ferretzor"]Some ridiculous replies have been written in this thread. I don't need to repeat what other posters defending Insomniac have said, but there is no need to attack Insomniac with Nintendo 'elitism'. Insomniac make great games, and it's hard to deny that if you've actually played them. SER69

No one is attacking Insomniac games.... they are great. The claim that SMG is based off of R&C is what we are proving IS wrong and all wishfull thinking from their part.

Ratchet And Clank>>>>>>>>>>>Mario

AgentA-Mi6

As you said there are "Immature, fanboyish and pathetic" statements on both sides... you just have to ignore them.

;)

[QUOTE="iLikeTheWoods"]ok..thats just dumb.the spherical worlds of r&c were cool but for insomniac actually said they think it was stolen they are dumbZIMdoom

No, they said "borrowed". And they didn't even directly accuse Nintendo of borrowing but admitted that they think it would be cool if NIntendo saw their game and liked it so much to borrow it.

Lastly I have no doubt insomniac was also influenced by the games that came before and most of them come from the old nintendo. Devs don't work in a vacuum they are influenced by what came beforeand try to build on it or change it for the better,

It's a little bold for them to assume Miyamoto copied them, but it's more of a possibility than some of you guys are giving credit. Developers do copy eachother.

Not exactly a perfect Sphere but like I said between this, Yoshi's Island, and Sonice The Hedgehog the concept has been done before.

There's evidence all around us I think, of certain games that have borrowed from Ratchet and Clank. One that we're even extremely flattered by is Super Mario Galaxy, with their spherical worlds; we did spherical worlds in Going Commando, and Up Your Arsenal. It would be amazing to think that Miyamoto-san thought that was so cool that he wanted to incorporate it into Mario Galaxy. Granted, he's doing it in a different way, but it's still a spherical world, so it's flattering to see those sorts of things.

SO STUPID. No... just no. You know what I got to say from that? They borrowed from Super Mario 64 and it's whole 3D thing.

FlawlessSeasons

wow someone already said this, you just took his whole speech out of context. so one aspect that was in one game happened to appear in another game.... so what

it's like :" ooh halo 3 has guns and enemies to shoot, they copied doom and half life"