Is it possible to build a 400$ PC and run games as powerfull as Killzone 2?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Seeing as how Killzone 2 is a PS3 game, you won't ever be able to build a PC that could run it.

Gxgear

This is the truth.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"]

There

Power supply-BFG 550W - $50

CPu-Athlon 2 x3 2,7 GHZ ( triple core ) - $72

Mobo-Asrock Am3 with 2 PC-X x16 slots for sli/crossfire - $60

Vga-Sapphire Ati 5670- $93 Great mainstream vga that can play most games even at 1080p

RAM-Kingston 2GB DDR3 1333 - $53

HD -250GB seagate $45

Case- Gigabyte - $27

Add $10-15 for a keyboard and mouse and you are set

much better than consoles and only $400 ( 410-420 with a KB+M )

You dont need a dvd drive just use various DD services

Phoenix534

Linux + Wine = Gaming

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Seeing as how Killzone 2 is a PS3 game, you won't ever be able to build a PC that could run it.

Silenthps

This is the truth.

i honestly dont understand u, u trash the pc all the time but u have a steam card in ur sig and ur comments are as logical as 5 yr old girl would say it.

please do everyone a favour and go be a fakeboy and a cow somewhere else

iliatay

why would i trash pc when one of my favourite game is on it? i only trash stuff that imo is trash

I don't pirate my OS and I haven't paid for one since 2005. Free OS from college FTW. If that doesn't work for you then Wine + linux which has been mentioned.

Of course. My 4 year old can run this just fine. At 720p it's a joke.

KristoffBrujah

You turned a four year old kid into a machine that can play games and display graphics? You monster! :cry:

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]

[QUOTE="kolkov01"]

I issue a challenge

Show me that you can build a 400$ PC that runs games as graphically amazing as Killzone 2

lowe0

There

Power supply-BFG 550W - $50

CPu-Athlon 2 x3 2,7 GHZ ( triple core ) - $72

Mobo-Asrock Am3 with 2 PC-X x16 slots for sli/crossfire - $60

Vga-Sapphire Ati 5670- $93 Great mainstream vga that can play most games even at 1080p

RAM-Kingston 2GB DDR3 1333 - $53

HD -250GB seagate $45

Case- Gigabyte - $27

Add $10-15 for a keyboard and mouse and you are set

much better than consoles and only $400 ( 410-420 with a KB+M )

You dont need a dvd drive just use various DD services

This thread is pointless.

If anyone builds a PC for $400 dollars just to play games they are wasting their time. I Built my PC for more money than my Xbox 360 and PS3 combined because I use it for much more than I do gaming or watching movies. A PC has much more utility than a console and the price is always going to reflect that.

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]

[QUOTE="kolkov01"]

I issue a challenge

Show me that you can build a 400$ PC that runs games as graphically amazing as Killzone 2

Teufelhuhn

There

Power supply-BFG 550W - $50

CPu-Athlon 2 x3 2,7 GHZ ( triple core ) - $72

Mobo-Asrock Am3 with 2 PC-X x16 slots for sli/crossfire - $60

Vga-Sapphire Ati 5670- $93 Great mainstream vga that can play most games even at 1080p

RAM-Kingston 2GB DDR3 1333 - $53

HD -250GB seagate $45

Case- Gigabyte - $27

Add $10-15 for a keyboard and mouse and you are set

much better than consoles and only $400 ( 410-420 with a KB+M )

You dont need a dvd drive just use various DD services

Surely people who are surfing the net on computers now though have a copy of windows already :P

Surely you'll also need a copy of Windows to play any games. ;)

Teufelhuhn

Hush now, or we will start talking about the free HDTV that seems to come with every console :P What's that they say? They use a TV for more than gaming? What a coincidence, I use my PC for all sorts of none gaming tasks as well. Even my GPU is used to accelerate various tasks such as Badaboom media converter, GPU acceleration of Blu-ray films and even acceleration of HD flash video over YouTube.

That said these sort of topics can be easily turned around by asking them for a console with the functionality of a PC; at any price. In the end they are comparing two things that are incomparable, a dedicated mass produced device to a modular one with a wide range of capabilities. With PC you are paying for things that were excluded from consoles because they didn't have to consider that functionality.

At the end of the day I stand by the good old saying of you get what you pay for, if you are 100% price driven there are cheaper means of gaming than the PS3/360 out there. I know console gamers recognise this saying, they only use it selectively for their advantage. Take for instance that the PS3 is no longer the cheapest Blu-ray player, people would still argue its value because reviews consider it the best Blu-ray player out there.

What's that? Paying more for additional quality/features? Imagine that.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]
Surely you'll also need a copy of Windows to play any games. ;)

AnnoyedDragon

Hush now, or we will start talking about the free HDTV that seems to come with every console :P What's that they say? They use a TV for more than gaming? What a coincidence, I use my PC for all sorts of none gaming tasks as well. Even my GPU is used to accelerate various tasks such as Badaboom media converter, GPU acceleration of Blu-ray films and even acceleration of HD flash video over YouTube.

That said these sort of topics can be easily turned around by asking them for a console with the functionality of a PC; at any price. In the end they are comparing two things that are incomparable, a dedicated mass produced device to a modular one with a wide range of capabilities. With PC you are paying for things that were excluded from consoles because they didn't have to consider that functionality.

At the end of the day I stand by the good old saying of you get what you pay for, if you are 100% price driven there are cheaper means of gaming than the PS3/360 out there. I know console gamers recognise this saying, they only use it selectively for their advantage. Take for instance that the PS3 is no longer the cheapest Blu-ray player, people would still argue its value because reviews consider it the best Blu-ray player out there.

What's that? Paying more for additional quality/features? Imagine that.

[QUOTE="lowe0"] I'm curious: how well does that machine run games without Windows?Phoenix534

Linux + Wine = Gaming

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"]

There

Power supply-BFG 550W - $50

CPu-Athlon 2 x3 2,7 GHZ ( triple core ) - $72

Mobo-Asrock Am3 with 2 PC-X x16 slots for sli/crossfire - $60

Vga-Sapphire Ati 5670- $93 Great mainstream vga that can play most games even at 1080p

RAM-Kingston 2GB DDR3 1333 - $53

HD -250GB seagate $45

Case- Gigabyte - $27

Add $10-15 for a keyboard and mouse and you are set

much better than consoles and only $400 ( 410-420 with a KB+M )

You dont need a dvd drive just use various DD services

True_Gamer_

yeah thats why i dont understand why hermits love nvidia

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"]

There

Power supply-BFG 550W - $50

CPu-Athlon 2 x3 2,7 GHZ ( triple core ) - $72

Mobo-Asrock Am3 with 2 PC-X x16 slots for sli/crossfire - $60

Vga-Sapphire Ati 5670- $93 Great mainstream vga that can play most games even at 1080p

RAM-Kingston 2GB DDR3 1333 - $53

HD -250GB seagate $45

Case- Gigabyte - $27

Add $10-15 for a keyboard and mouse and you are set

much better than consoles and only $400 ( 410-420 with a KB+M )

You dont need a dvd drive just use various DD services

Phoenix534

Linux + Wine = Gaming

I got Windows 7 ultimate for $10 and Windows Vista Ultimate when it launched for $15, so that works as well.

and apparently every one has a 400 dollar tv when the the average family in canada spends 1300 bucks on a tv (best buy spreadsheets) and average family in canada spends 900 dollars on a pc or laptop (prebuilts which INCLUDES WINDOWS)

iliatay

that $900 pc probably cant even display colours so whats your point?

lol@Cows thinking they can compete with PC. Lems should argue with Cows thats the way the world turns. Until the first year of the NEXT gen consoles. Thats when you'll get lems and cows harping "Resistance 4 is BETTER GRAPHICS THAN CRYSIS!" (Took 6 or 7 years :p)J-Stantino

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

and apparently every one has a 400 dollar tv when the the average family in canada spends 1300 bucks on a tv (best buy spreadsheets) and average family in canada spends 900 dollars on a pc or laptop (prebuilts which INCLUDES WINDOWS)

sikanderahmed

that $900 pc probably cant even display colours so whats your point?

and apparently every one has a 400 dollar tv when the the average family in canada spends 1300 bucks on a tv (best buy spreadsheets) and average family in canada spends 900 dollars on a pc or laptop (prebuilts which INCLUDES WINDOWS)

iliatay

It's funny, I hear people boast about them preferring to play on their 42"+ 1080p televisions. But the moment I bring the HDTV cost into account this television suddenly becomes ultra budget, some have even gone as far as to pick PC monitors in an effort to bring the price down as much as possible.

Hush now, or we will start talking about the free HDTV that seems to come with every console :P

AnnoyedDragon

What's that they say? They use a TV for more than gaming? What a coincidence, I use my PC for all sorts of none gaming tasks as well. Even my GPU is used to accelerate various tasks such as Badaboom media converter, GPU acceleration of Blu-ray films and even acceleration of HD flash video over YouTube.

That said these sort of topics can be easily turned around by asking them for a console with the functionality of a PC; at any price. In the end they are comparing two things that are incomparable, a dedicated mass produced device to a modular one with a wide range of capabilities. With PC you are paying for things that were excluded from consoles because they didn't have to consider that functionality.

At the end of the day I stand by the good old saying of you get what you pay for, if you are 100% price driven there are cheaper means of gaming than the PS3/360 out there. I know console gamers recognise this saying, they only use it selectively for their advantage. Take for instance that the PS3 is no longer the cheapest Blu-ray player, people would still argue its value because reviews consider it the best Blu-ray player out there.

What's that? Paying more for additional quality/features? Imagine that.
AnnoyedDragon

um, PS3 is $300. and lol at the hermits not including windows that which cost more than the cards they have listed.killzowned24

ill enjoy my superior PC

um, PS3 is $300. and lol at the hermits not including windows that which cost more than the cards they have listed.killzowned24

it's truth once you add "legally" at the end ;)

Silenthps

I'm curious, how well does a Playstation 3 run programs besides games?dgsag

Please show me a PC that has a single identity manager that uniquely identifies any player, instead of having fragmentation due to Steam/XFire/Gamespy/etc. Please show me a PC with native gamepad support for every game, instead of hacked crap like Xpadder that can't handle analog motion because it maps to keypresses. Please show me a PC where games have been put through a certification process before they're allowed to be released, instead of just letting publishers throw out whatever buggy crap they want. YOU CAN'T, because those are features of consoles, not PCs.

Or, of course, you could realize that none of this extraneous stuff is within the scope of the thread, and stick to the topic at hand.

That said, if you really thing that a gaming appliance should somehow be forced to do something else, just install Linux on a PS3 (not a PS3 slim). Knock yourself out.

[QUOTE="kolkov01"][QUOTE="Arach666"]

Just the chassis and it´s components?

Arach666

Does this suffice?

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

and apparently every one has a 400 dollar tv when the the average family in canada spends 1300 bucks on a tv (best buy spreadsheets) and average family in canada spends 900 dollars on a pc or laptop (prebuilts which INCLUDES WINDOWS)

AnnoyedDragon

It's funny, I hear people boast about them preferring to play on their 42"+ 1080p televisions. But the moment I bring the HDTV cost into account this television suddenly becomes ultra budget, some have even gone as far as to pick PC monitors in an effort to bring the price down as much as possible.

also, monitors are meant for pc, not for consoles

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]

There

Power supply-BFG 550W - $50

CPu-Athlon 2 x3 2,7 GHZ ( triple core ) - $72

Mobo-Asrock Am3 with 2 PC-X x16 slots for sli/crossfire - $60

Vga-Sapphire Ati 5670- $93 Great mainstream vga that can play most games even at 1080p

RAM-Kingston 2GB DDR3 1333 - $53

HD-250GB seagate $45

Add $10-15 for a keyboard and mouse and you are set

much better than consoles and only $390

You dont need a dvd drive just use various DD services

washd123

replace the hd5670 with the gt240 for $60

theres a slight dip in performance but its still more powerful than a console for $30 less.

Read the OP, he didn't say match it in preformance and numbers. He said games that will run and lookas good as Killzone 2. That will require games like MW2, Farcry 2, Stalker and Crysis to be near maxxed out.

Seeing as how Killzone 2 is a PS3 game, you won't ever be able to build a PC that could run it.

But if you wish, almost any computer built from 2006 onwards should be able to run STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl at least at medium-high settings and that is easily a better looking game than anything the 360 or PS3 offer.

foxhound_fox

Are you kidding me? STALKER looks no where near as good as kz2 I love STALKER and i own it but seriosly its graphically unspectacular

Seeing as how Killzone 2 is a PS3 game, you won't ever be able to build a PC that could run it.

But if you wish, almost any computer built from 2006 onwards should be able to run STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl at least at medium-high settings and that is easily a better looking game than anything the 360 or PS3 offer.

foxhound_fox

I still don't understand how some in here think that the PS3 is just some regular computer with a Nvidia Gforce 7series GPU....

it is not that simple to just compare the PS3 with PCs...they are quite different.

this is why you see games like GT5 and GOW3 as well as Last Guardian looking sooooo good for a "7series Geforce" based GPU machine.... there is much more to it...

also, I doubt 2gbs of Ram would be enough to run games that are comparable to Killzone2 or that Metro2022(?) game...

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="kolkov01"] yep, that's pretty much what i'm looking forZero_epyon

Does this suffice?

*Pic*

PS3 is missing a TV

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Seeing as how Killzone 2 is a PS3 game, you won't ever be able to build a PC that could run it.

But if you wish, almost any computer built from 2006 onwards should be able to run STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl at least at medium-high settings and that is easily a better looking game than anything the 360 or PS3 offer.

Teufelhuhn

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="Arach666"]

Does this suffice?

*Pic*

painguy1

PS3 is missing a TV

Are you kidding me? STALKER looks no where near as good as kz2 I love STALKER and i own it but seriosly its graphically unspectacular

OB-47

This is a matter of opinion so of course you're free to disagree with me, but outside of Crysis I don't think that any PC exclusive comes close to art quality of a game like Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2. I don't mean to discredit the developers of STALKER, I just think it's a natural result of of console many PC exclusives having much smaller budgets.

There's also the various console ports which retain the same artwork quality, but I usually feel that those games don't run nearly as well as they should. I mean I've been playing ME2 on my GTX 275, and while the game usually runs at 60fps it occassionaly dips down to 15-20fps. And course, you can't even enable MSAA for the game unless you start messing around nHancer or whatever. That kind of stuff drives me nuts.

Teufelhuhn

Plugs into the same monitor that the PC would have. Next, please.lowe0

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Seeing as how Killzone 2 is a PS3 game, you won't ever be able to build a PC that could run it.

But if you wish, almost any computer built from 2006 onwards should be able to run STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl at least at medium-high settings and that is easily a better looking game than anything the 360 or PS3 offer.

Teufelhuhn

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="Arach666"]

Does this suffice?

*Pic*

painguy1

PS3 is missing a TV

and dont forget about hdmi cables

Including the TV costs makes about as much sense as including the monitor costs in those PC part listings. TV's and monitors can be shared/transferred between consoles/PC's, but that's rarely the case for a copy of Windows. Msot people don't purchase a full retail copy of Windows that allows you to transfer the license from PC to another. So unless your college is part of MSDNAA or you're the type that likes to pirate their OS, you're most likely going to need to pick up a new copy of Windows with any PC.

Teufelhuhn

I don't think it is fair that console gamers criticise PC for every single cost, yet these large televisions they boast about as being part of why they prefer console gaming isn't taken into account.

They ask what about the OS? Well I want to know how they plan to use a console without a screen. I'm not saying the issues surrounding a OS are the same as those with a TV, as you seem to suggest I'm saying, I'm only expecting them to take into account all costs like they expect from us.

On a side note my OS is a MSDN version :)

Plugs into the same monitor that the PC would have. Next, please.lowe0

I called it, happens every time...

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Missing Windows.lowe0

PS3 is missing a TV

[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Impossible for 400 dollars. After you buy a copy of windows, you would not have enough money to build a PC as powerful as the PS3. Heck, my power supply in my computer cost almost 400 dollars.DarkGamer007

Why the hell would you need a $400 power supply? Shurely a power supply that is between $50 and $100 would service just fine? What the hell are you running? HAL 9000 or something?

[/QUOTE My PC specs 1. Asus Crosshair 2 formula(motherboard) 2. 8 GB Corsair Dominator 3. 2x GTX260 core 216 896MB DDR3 4. AMD Phenom 2 X4 940 My video cards require over 1000w alone.

Holy Christ man that is one powerful setup. :shock: How much did that cost in total?

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Plugs into the same monitor that the PC would have. Next, please.foxhound_fox

I still don't understand how some in here think that the PS3 is just some regular computer with a Nvidia Gforce 7series GPU....

it is not that simple to just compare the PS3 with PCs...they are quite different.

this is why you see games like GT5 and GOW3 as well as Last Guardian looking sooooo good for a "7series Geforce" based GPU machine.... there is much more to it...

also, I doubt 2gbs of Ram would be enough to run games that are comparable to Killzone2 or that Metro2022(?) game...

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="painguy1"]

PS3 is missing a TV

iliatay

what he siad and also, you have a PC monitor? oh how wonderful how much did that PC cost you?

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Plugs into the same monitor that the PC would have. Next, please.AnnoyedDragon

I called it, happens every time...