Is it possible to build a 400$ PC and run games as powerfull as Killzone 2?

Would you mind quoting the post where I claimed to be unbiased?lowe0

It's just an impression.

You argue against PC and when people question if you even know what you are talking about; out comes the photos. Now the function of those is to prove first hand experience with PC gaming, an effort to add weight to your arguments against the platform. Really they are just an enabler to let you get away pushing your personal bias against the platform as being fact. You won't say that of course, but that's what is going on.

Now I could very easily take a bunch of photos of my PS3 and declare first hand experience with the device when criticising it. I don't play the thing, I have an account on there from when I set it up and I covered half the purchase cost, but it was mostly for my brother's benefit because he couldn't afford the ridiculous £425 price tag. How many people are like that on here I wonder? How many people dislike the other platform, but have access to it for use in SW?

I could easily abuse that to push my opinions, I could say X is bad and if people questioned me out came the photos to prove first hand experience. I think the idea that if someone owns multiple platforms they are 'informed' and 'unbiased' is dangerous when it comes to SW arguments, I've never recognised them as being proof someones criticisms are legitimate.

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] You mean the TV that I purchased to watch TV BEFORE I owned a PS3? That is irrelevant to the price. Does your build include a monitors price?savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]Each time one buys a console they have to buy a new TV? I need a couch to game in front of my TV too. Don't forget that. A good leather couch is essentail when gaming with consoles. Most likely you own a TV, couch, and the house that comes with it before your new console. And you didn't buy these things for the console. This is ridiculous. PCs are more expenisive then consoles. Maybe we can compare if the PS3 is bundled with a hdtv then...it would be fair comparing it to PC.

LOXO7

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"] Buy me a new copy of Bioshock 2 for £16 (and without import tax)....then we talk....True_Gamer_

You care to bring software into this discussion. I'm showing you I can buy just as cheap as you. Moral / Benefits / Effects of purchasing used is irrelevant. It's still LEGAL for me to do so.

I don't know if I'm going off-topic, but I have to ask this question:

Am I the only person on gamespot who uses the same television for Xbox 360 (1920x1080), PS3 (1920x1080) and PC (custom 1804x1014) gaming/browsing/typing/watching videos/burning disks/photo editing/music playing?

If people want to get technical, the video hardware inside a PS3 is old Nvidia 6800-level technology, whereas the Xbox 360 contains old ATI x1800-level technology. PC's, technically are 2-3, possibly 4 generations newer than those capabilities.

Maybe what I'm discussing is more for a PC v. console debate - oh wait, that's what this topic became...and besides PC's can run games at a much higher resolution than the 1280x720 seen in Killzone 2 (plus it's full of motion-blur - just like Crysis, but at least it can be disabled in Crysis)

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"]

Build me a pc that kills the PS3 for $300 (including Blu-Ray and wifi because the PS3 has those built in). Build me a pc that kills the 360 for $200, then we'll talk.

mythrol

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="mythrol"] Hardware =/= software. Can you buy used PC games from the store? Because I can't.mythrol

You care to bring software into this discussion. I'm showing you I can buy just as cheap as you. Moral / Benefits / Effects of purchasing used is irrelevant. It's still LEGAL for me to do so.

[QUOTE="mythrol"]

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

you mean the PC that does other things besides playing games? Oh also i forgot to mention...that PC kills the PS3 when u compare the hardware.Brainkiller05

Build me a pc that kills the PS3 for $300 (including Blu-Ray and wifi because the PS3 has those built in). Build me a pc that kills the 360 for $200, then we'll talk.

Build me a pc that kills the PS3 for $300 (including Blu-Ray and wifi because the PS3 has those built in). Build me a pc that kills the 360 for $200, then we'll talk.

mythrol

[QUOTE="painguy"]

you mean the PC that does other things besides playing games? Oh also i forgot to mention...that PC kills the PS3 when u compare the hardware.mythrol

Build me a pc that kills the PS3 for $300 (including Blu-Ray and wifi because the PS3 has those built in). Build me a pc that kills the 360 for $200, then we'll talk.

[QUOTE="mythrol"]

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"] You love to steal money from the devs? By buying used games? http://www.techspot.com/news/32425-epic-president-talks-about-dlc-and-used-games-market.htmlTrue_Gamer_

You care to bring software into this discussion. I'm showing you I can buy just as cheap as you. Moral / Benefits / Effects of purchasing used is irrelevant. It's still LEGAL for me to do so.

[QUOTE="kolkov01"]

I issue a challenge

Show me that you can build a 400$ PC that runs games as graphically amazing as Killzone 2

adamosmaki

There

Power supply-BFG 550W - $50

CPu-Athlon 2 x3 2,7 GHZ ( triple core ) - $72

Mobo-Asrock Am3 with 2 PC-X x16 slots for sli/crossfire - $60

Vga-Sapphire Ati 5670- $93 Great mainstream vga that can play most games even at 1080p

RAM-Kingston 2GB DDR3 1333 - $53

HD -250GB seagate $45

Case- Gigabyte - $27

Add $10-15 for a keyboard and mouse and you are set

much better than consoles and only $400 ( 410-420 with a KB+M )

You dont need a dvd drive just use various DD services

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] You mean the TV that I purchased to watch TV BEFORE I owned a PS3? That is irrelevant to the price. Does your build include a monitors price?savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]

[QUOTE="kolkov01"]

I issue a challenge

Show me that you can build a 400$ PC that runs games as graphically amazing as Killzone 2

Munasha

There

Power supply-BFG 550W - $50

CPu-Athlon 2 x3 2,7 GHZ ( triple core ) - $72

Mobo-Asrock Am3 with 2 PC-X x16 slots for sli/crossfire - $60

Vga-Sapphire Ati 5670- $93 Great mainstream vga that can play most games even at 1080p

RAM-Kingston 2GB DDR3 1333 - $53

HD -250GB seagate $45

Case- Gigabyte - $27

Add $10-15 for a keyboard and mouse and you are set

much better than consoles and only $400 ( 410-420 with a KB+M )

You dont need a dvd drive just use various DD services

the problem is the Cell, that type of tech wont be available for desktop until the year of 2012.

ZoomZoom2490

It's already available, it has been available for a long time, it's just over priced and useless for most people.

As long as they continue to cannibalize SPE's to extend the capabilities of RSX; compensating for the lack of a Cell processor is a simple matter of having more GPU power. That and PC has GPU computing if it needs to use highly parallel processing with floating point performance requirements.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Would you mind quoting the post where I claimed to be unbiased?AnnoyedDragon

It's just an impression.

You argue against PC and when people question if you even know what you are talking about; out comes the photos. Now the function of those is to prove first hand experience with PC gaming, an effort to add weight to your arguments against the platform. Really they are just an enabler to let you get away pushing your personal bias against the platform as being fact. You won't say that of course, but that's what is going on.

Now I could very easily take a bunch of photos of my PS3 and declare first hand experience with the device when criticising it. I don't play the thing, I have an account on there from when I set it up and I covered half the purchase cost, but it was mostly for my brother's benefit because he couldn't afford the ridiculous £425 price tag. How many people are like that on here I wonder? How many people dislike the other platform, but have access to it for use in SW?

I could easily abuse that to push my opinions, I could say X is bad and if people questioned me out came the photos to prove first hand experience. I think the idea that if someone owns multiple platforms they are 'informed' and 'unbiased' is dangerous when it comes to SW arguments, I've never recognised them as being proof someones criticisms are legitimate.

[QUOTE="mythrol"]

[QUOTE="painguy"]

you mean the PC that does other things besides playing games? Oh also i forgot to mention...that PC kills the PS3 when u compare the hardware.muscleserge

Build me a pc that kills the PS3 for $300 (including Blu-Ray and wifi because the PS3 has those built in). Build me a pc that kills the 360 for $200, then we'll talk.

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"][QUOTE="mythrol"]

Build me a pc that kills the PS3 for $300 (including Blu-Ray and wifi because the PS3 has those built in). Build me a pc that kills the 360 for $200, then we'll talk.

mythrol

[QUOTE="mythrol"]Build me a pc that kills the PS3 for $300 (including Blu-Ray and wifi because the PS3 has those built in). Build me a pc that kills the 360 for $200, then we'll talk.

foxhound_fox

Back in 2006, when the PC hardware that was comparable to what the PS3 is capable of, the PS3 cost $600. It is hard to build a PC from the ground up for less than $300, but anything that is pre-built that is sold in a retail store today will stomp all over the PS3 in terms of power. The PS3 is incredibly outdated in terms of hardware. Its GPU is the equivalent to a nVidia 7000 series card.

How does this address the built in Blu-Ray and wifi?

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"] Please explain to me how can I have PS3 graphics on the PSP....oh wait....mythrol

You do realize Sony is still losing money off of the PS3 right? it costs more than ur paying for. The only company not losing money of off their console is the wii because Nintendo got a bit greedy this gen. So the $350 rig we showed u is actually cheaper than the PS3.

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"] It might do those things for a cheap price... but after I spend $300 on a PS3 I then also have to buy a laptop since I need to post on gamespot about how awesome consoles are. :oops: so ya, you also need a computer as well as a console.Brainkiller05

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="mythrol"]

You care to bring software into this discussion. I'm showing you I can buy just as cheap as you. Moral / Benefits / Effects of purchasing used is irrelevant. It's still LEGAL for me to do so.

mythrol

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="mythrol"]

You care to bring software into this discussion. I'm showing you I can buy just as cheap as you. Moral / Benefits / Effects of purchasing used is irrelevant. It's still LEGAL for me to do so.

mythrol

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] PS3 has a built in web browser.mythrol

[QUOTE="kolkov01"]

I issue a challenge

Show me that you can build a 400$ PC that runs games as graphically amazing as Killzone 2

adamosmaki

There

Power supply-BFG 550W - $50

CPu-Athlon 2 x3 2,7 GHZ ( triple core ) - $72

Mobo-Asrock Am3 with 2 PC-X x16 slots for sli/crossfire - $60

Vga-Sapphire Ati 5670- $93 Great mainstream vga that can play most games even at 1080p

RAM-Kingston 2GB DDR3 1333 - $53

HD -250GB seagate $45

Case- Gigabyte - $27

Add $10-15 for a keyboard and mouse and you are set

much better than consoles and only $400 ( 410-420 with a KB+M )

You dont need a dvd drive just use various DD services

If this is true then why computer gamers spend thousands and also overclock and add a water cooling system just to run MW2 or GTAIVMunasha

Why do console gamers buy big TVs when there are cheaper ones that still do 720p?

Some people just want a premium experience, your problem is likely you cannot differentiate between want and requirement.

Sure, you can cobble together a PC that will run stuff for $400, but I'm pretty sure you'd need to spend more to run games at any decent frame rate or resolution.

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"] Please explain to me how can I have PS3 graphics on the PSP....oh wait....painguy1

You do realize Sony is still losing money off of the PS3 right? it costs more than ur paying for. The only company not losing money of off their console is the wii because Nintendo got a bit greedy this gen. So the $350 rig we showed u is actually cheaper than the PS3.

That's my point. It's impossible to match the PS3's price point because Sony is willing to sell it at a loss.

These threads are nice and all, and I love PC gaming. However people that try and say "PC gaming is just as cheap as console gaming" are just silly.

Also the 360 has been selling for a profit for quite awhile now.

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] PS3 has a built in web browser.mythrol

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"] It might do those things for a cheap price... but after I spend $300 on a PS3 I then also have to buy a laptop since I need to post on gamespot about how awesome consoles are. :oops: so ya, you also need a computer as well as a console.Brainkiller05

[QUOTE="Munasha"]If this is true then why computer gamers spend thousands and also overclock and add a water cooling system just to run MW2 or GTAIVAnnoyedDragon

Why do console gamers buy big TVs when there are cheaper ones that still do 720p?

Some people just want a premium experience, your problem is likely you cannot differentiate between want and requirement.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] Then please take my challenge to buy a PC with Blu-Ray and wifi that's as powerful as a PS3 for $300, or a PC that's as powerful as a 360 for $200.mythrol

You do realize Sony is still losing money off of the PS3 right? it costs more than ur paying for. The only company not losing money of off their console is the wii because Nintendo got a bit greedy this gen. So the $350 rig we showed u is actually cheaper than the PS3.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] You mean the TV that I purchased to watch TV BEFORE I owned a PS3? That is irrelevant to the price. Does your build include a monitors price?Brainkiller05

And not everyone even owns a computer, my neighbor's just died and they were like, we aren't getting another. Not everyone needs to browse the internet.

Most people have a tv, the ones that don't probably don't know what a video game is, they might have a computer for work but they probably do something else for their hobbies.

But any way its pretty safe to assume someone has a tv to hook up their console to, its not safe to assume everyone has a computer that is capable of gaming, or compatible with upgrades, or cannibalizing the rest of the pieces to make a new one.

Who says you need a computer too? you could just get a console and you know, go to the store or get magezines to find out about news/new things.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="Munasha"]If this is true then why computer gamers spend thousands and also overclock and add a water cooling system just to run MW2 or GTAIVMunasha

Why do console gamers buy big TVs when there are cheaper ones that still do 720p?

Some people just want a premium experience, your problem is likely you cannot differentiate between want and requirement.

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"] and it's so awesome I'm sure you're using it right now

Brainkiller05

Because I bought my PC before my PS3?

Because I'm not allowed to own more than one system and yet still take part in discussions comparing two different systems? I can't simply find enjoyment in both a PC AND a PS3?

Damm SW's is a hardcore place. How dare we like multiple systems.

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="painguy1"]

You do realize Sony is still losing money off of the PS3 right? it costs more than ur paying for. The only company not losing money of off their console is the wii because Nintendo got a bit greedy this gen. So the $350 rig we showed u is actually cheaper than the PS3.

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"] and it's so awesome I'm sure you're using it right now

Brainkiller05

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="painguy1"]

You do realize Sony is still losing money off of the PS3 right? it costs more than ur paying for. The only company not losing money of off their console is the wii because Nintendo got a bit greedy this gen. So the $350 rig we showed u is actually cheaper than the PS3.

True_Gamer_

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

Well I was just refering to my own situation. If I were to game a game like K2 on my pc... I would have to learn about PCs. to build my own. This will take time more than money. But you're right. If one does have a PC equipment allready, just upgrade it to play the top games < buying a console. But I am PC illiterate, like most people are. So they take the same theory, "I buy a new console to upgrade graphics, I must do this for PC." Have you thought about that part? Imo I would never cheep out my PC. That's just asking for trouble.

iliatay

I dont know what that is. Maybe I know. I think I lost that cd.Learning time."You were building PCs since you were 13. It's not that hard." Not everyone knows this. You know what you're talking about. I don't. I am going to buy a top of the line PC before I learn how to build my own. For me (not everyone) $$ PC > $$ console.

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

Case/HDD/MOBO/Windows/KB/M/RAM/DVD$269

CPU$49.99

PSU$19.99

GPU$54.99

GRAND TOTAL: $394.94

Features Include

• Dual Core Intel CPU E33002.5ghz
• Windows Vista Basic 32-bit
• 400watt PSU
• 2GB DDR2 ram
• 160GB HDD 7200rpm
• ATI HD4650 GPU 512mb
• Keyboard and Mouse
• Case
• Socket 775 MOBO
• DVD Drive
• etc.

thats all.

"Is it possible to build a 400$ PC and run games as powerfull as Killzone 2?"

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] That's my point. It's impossible to match the PS3's price point because Sony is willing to sell it at a loss. These threads are nice and all, and I love PC gaming. However people that try and say "PC gaming is just as cheap as console gaming" are just silly. Also the 360 has been seeing for a profit for quite awhile now.savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] Then please take my challenge to buy a PC with Blu-Ray and wifi that's as powerful as a PS3 for $300, or a PC that's as powerful as a 360 for $200.mythrol

You do realize Sony is still losing money off of the PS3 right? it costs more than ur paying for. The only company not losing money of off their console is the wii because Nintendo got a bit greedy this gen. So the $350 rig we showed u is actually cheaper than the PS3.

it technically is cheaper because games cost less. on top of that we have more functionality and it still costs less. PS3 #300 + $200 CRT= more expensive than the PC posted by NVIDIATI which includes a monitor and Windows. i know u will say "OH but i bought that to watch TV before hand" yeah it still is an investment into ur gaming either way. Im not saying console gaming is bad (i was originally a console gamer), but PC has been and always will be more powerful when it comes to tech aswell as a greater and better investment. plays games, internet, media, Media creation etc. games are cheaper or even free. PS3 (or any other console)....not so much.

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"][QUOTE="mythrol"] Nope. Just that you're argument is invalid because it does possess one. *hands a cookie* Nice try however.iliatay

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] Not everyeone has a PC you can just pop in a vid card too.savagetwinkie

And not everyone even owns a computer, my neighbor's just died and they were like, we aren't getting another. Not everyone needs to browse the internet.

Most people have a tv, the ones that don't probably don't know what a video game is, they might have a computer for work but they probably do something else for their hobbies.

But any way its pretty safe to assume someone has a tv to hook up their console to, its not safe to assume everyone has a computer that is capable of gaming, or compatible with upgrades, or cannibalizing the rest of the pieces to make a new one.

Who says you need a computer too? you could just get a console and you know, go to the store or get magezines to find out about news/new things.

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

Well I was just refering to my own situation. If I were to game a game like K2 on my pc... I would have to learn about PCs. to build my own. This will take time more than money. But you're right. If one does have a PC equipment allready, just upgrade it to play the top games < buying a console. But I am PC illiterate, like most people are. So they take the same theory, "I buy a new console to upgrade graphics, I must do this for PC." Have you thought about that part? Imo I would never cheep out my PC. That's just asking for trouble.

LOXO7

I dont know what that is. Maybe I know. I think I lost that cd.Learning time."You were building PCs since you were 13. It's not that hard." Not everyone knows this. You know what you're talking about. I don't. I am going to buy a top of the line PC before I learn how to build my own. For me (not everyone) $$ PC > $$ console.

Sure, you can cobble together a PC that will run stuff for $400, but I'm pretty sure you'd need to spend more to run games at any decent frame rate or resolution.

supercubedude64

[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"] Then why do people with PS3s have PCs, just seems a bit illogical considering a PS3 can do everything right? :lol: oh wait no it can't and if you want proof ask yourself why do you own a computer AND PS3. Amazing how it works out right? who'd have thought a computer + a PS3 is more expensive than a computer on it's own :o mythrol