Is Mass Effect 2 the greatsest RPG of all time?

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#1 Heil68
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Having played RPG's as far back as the first installment of Dragon quest on the NES system, I feel no other game has captured my imagination and gaming attention as Mass Effect 2. With it's deep, rich story, interesting characters and It's filled with breathtaking landscapes with attention to detail which allows the art style to shine. Add in fantastic level design and awesome skills like the vanguard's charge or the infiltrator's cloaking ability and you have one spectacular virtual playground So I ask you do you agree and if not what is your favorite RPG and why?
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I'm just going to say: No.
And I'll leave it at that. No way.

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It's a fantastic game but it's not my favorite RPG of all time. In terms of being an RPG, it's a little weak. Once you pick your class, there's not a whole lot you can do to customize your character's traits in meaningful ways. Stats and abilities customization is way streamlined from BioWare's previous games, and equipment customization that actually effects gameplay is almost non-existant, and where it is extant, it's linear progression.

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#4 osan0
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as an RPG...no. its a very poor RPG. as an RPG the likes of oblivion, fallout 3, diablo 2, and borderlands are far superior and there not even the pinnacle of the genre. but ME2 is a dam fine game. i wouldnt be quite as forthcoming with praise as you TC especially on the level design front but i finished it twice and i rarely finish games. very good game and im looking forward to number 3. ...its just not a very good RPG...oddly enough.
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It's one of my favorite games of all time, if not my actual favorite. I've never had so much fun with a game as I have replaying Mass Effect 2.

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#6 ChaltierX
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Good game but I wouldn't categorize it as an RPG.
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#7 Heil68
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I'm just going to say: No.And I'll leave it at that. No way.Conjuration
What would be your pick then? There is no right/wrong answer as everyone reacts different to games.
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It isn't the best in story, choices, gameplay, or character and party customization. It's a great game (and my Game of the Year) but it is no Fallout, Fallout 2, Baldurs Gate 2, Planescape Torment, etc.
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It's not even the best RPG this gen. It's great, but not the best.
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#11 haberman13
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Best TPS ... absolutely.

Best RPG ... wait, its an RPG?

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Umm... No.
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[QUOTE="Conjuration"]I'm just going to say: No.And I'll leave it at that. No way.Heil68
What would be your pick then? There is no right/wrong answer as everyone reacts different to games.

Actually, there is a right answer.

Pikachu follows you around, just like in the show, so all your childhood dreams have come true, and it is the greatest game ever.

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It's not an RPG and I don't even consider it a great game.
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F*** no. As a "role-playing game" it is about a 2 on a scale that goes to 100, 100 being "the best RPG ever made." Its a very well-made game... but almost as far from "role-playing" as you can get. Its essentially the West's take on the JRPG-type game.

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No. A plot mostly copy pasted out of other works of sci-fi. The worst example of "choices" I've ever seen in an RPG this gen. Unlike ME1, all the towns are small. The non-town maps are as linear as FFXIII, straight lines with the odd curve, awkwardly placed cover. Third person shooting is 99% of the game, easily, it is far more of a shooter than an RPG, this is actually the #1 reason I would say. Same enemy types all the time, 2 or 3 different types in every area, the occassional large robot is cool, but its rare. Soundtrack is cool sometimes, often forgetable or non-existant.
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Opinions.

But in System wars there are none :o

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#18 blackace
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It's one of the BEST RPG's this generation. Can't say it's the best, as this generation isn't even over yet. DQ IX is also very good and we haven't even played the new ZELDA yet.

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[QUOTE="110million"]No. A plot mostly copy pasted out of other works of sci-fi. The worst example of "choices" I've ever seen in an RPG this gen. Unlike ME1, all the towns are small. The non-town maps are as linear as FFXIII, straight lines with the odd curve, awkwardly placed cover. Third person shooting is 99% of the game, easily, it is far more of a shooter than an RPG, this is actually the #1 reason I would say. Same enemy types all the time, 2 or 3 different types in every area, the occassional large robot is cool, but its rare. Soundtrack is cool sometimes, often forgetable or non-existant.

I disagree completely and 100%. I found the story very immersive and I actually felt I was part of the ME universe. I felt my choices really mattered and having played the game multiple times, they most certainly do. It didn't win RPG and has a 90%+ MC score for nothing.
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It's one of the only RPG's I've played that was actually fun, and not tedious or boring. So I'll go with "yes".

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No. A plot mostly copy pasted out of other works of sci-fi. The worst example of "choices" I've ever seen in an RPG this gen. Unlike ME1, all the towns are small. The non-town maps are as linear as FFXIII, straight lines with the odd curve, awkwardly placed cover. Third person shooting is 99% of the game, easily, it is far more of a shooter than an RPG, this is actually the #1 reason I would say. Same enemy types all the time, 2 or 3 different types in every area, the occassional large robot is cool, but its rare. Soundtrack is cool sometimes, often forgetable or non-existant.110million

Yeah, I agree. Because ME2 was such a regression in everything but shooting/cut scenes I have a hard time liking the game.

I started the "suicide mission" and haven't played since. The loading screens and all the little things that screamed "Gears of War" climaxed and I said "F it"

Had they just implemented the shooting mechanics and cutscenes into ME1s design philosophy they would have had a winner ... but yet again, the console plague strikes and the moronic gaming media laps it up.

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Opinions.

But in System wars there are none :o

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I was just trying to state mine and get others opinions and what their greatest RPG of all time is, but majority seem..I dunno..  Maybe because of all the accolades, sales and review scores. :)
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Having played RPG's as far back as the first installment of Dragon quest on the NES system, I feel no other game has captured my imagination and gaming attention as Mass Effect 2. With it's deep, rich story, interesting characters and It's filled with breathtaking landscapes with attention to detail which allows the art style to shine. Add in fantastic level design and awesome skills like the vanguard's charge or the infiltrator's cloaking ability and you have one spectacular virtual playground So I ask you do you agree and if not what is your favorite RPG and why?Heil68

Than you have been playing very poor made RPG's your whole life because Mass Effect isn't even actually an rpg lol.

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It has a fantastic story, but the gameplay is far more like a shooter than a RPG. Sure it has RPG elements with storytelling, questing, and stuff like that, but they stripped out most of the real gameplay RPG elements. I'm going to say it's an amazing game with a bit of an identity crisis.

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ME2 is not a RPG dude... its an action adventure game.
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[QUOTE="austi722"]

Opinions.

But in System wars there are none :o

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I was just trying to state mine and get others opinions and what their greatest RPG of all time is, but majority seem..I dunno..  Maybe because of all the accolades, sales and review scores. :)

You mean 1.6 million in three months ? Even activision is jealous of those sales... http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/masseffect2workingtitle/news.html?sid=6262120&mode=news Anyway best RPG's are : Baldurs Gate II Fallout II KOTOR NWN II Vampire the Masquarade : Bloodlines Planescape : Torment
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No. But it is a very good game.
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Having played RPG's as far back as the first installment of Dragon quest on the NES system, I feel no other game has captured my imagination and gaming attention as Mass Effect 2. With it's deep, rich story, interesting characters and It's filled with breathtaking landscapes with attention to detail which allows the art style to shine. Add in fantastic level design and awesome skills like the vanguard's charge or the infiltrator's cloaking ability and you have one spectacular virtual playground So I ask you do you agree and if not what is your favorite RPG and why?Gauloisess

Than you have been playing very poor made RPG's your whole life because Mass Effect isn't even actually an rpg lol.

Baulders Gate 1&2 FO 1-3, Oblivion, final Fantasy 1-7, Chrono Trigger ect ect
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[QUOTE="Conjuration"]I'm just going to say: No.And I'll leave it at that. No way.Heil68
What would be your pick then? There is no right/wrong answer as everyone reacts different to games.

My pick for the greatest RPG of all time...gimme a minute.
But I can say ME2 isn't my favorite RPG of all time. You loved it and that's cool. I know the feeling when you find a game you really love to play. Glad you found that.

I'm having a hard time cla$$ifying one RPG as the greatest of all time. I guess the one that comes to mind right away is Final Fantasy VIII.
That game had an impact on my definition of an RPG more than any game since. I would say FFVII, but honestly, I think VIII was done better.

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#30 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="austi722"]

Opinions.

But in System wars there are none :o

GeneralShowzer
I was just trying to state mine and get others opinions and what their greatest RPG of all time is, but majority seem..I dunno..  Maybe because of all the accolades, sales and review scores. :)

You mean 1.6 million in three months ? Even activision is jealous of those sales... http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/masseffect2workingtitle/news.html?sid=6262120&mode=news Anyway best RPG's are : Baldurs Gate II Fallout II KOTOR NWN II Vampire the Masquarade : Bloodlines Planescape : Torment

Baulders Gate 2 is #2 for me..Excellent game, love it.
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I disagree completely and 100%. I found the story very immersive and I actually felt I was part of the ME universe. I felt my choices really mattered and having played the game multiple times, they most certainly do. It didn't win RPG and has a 90%+ MC score for nothing.Heil68

The fact that [spoiler] your entire team can die at the end leads me to believe that your choices in ME2 will be utterly meaningless to the story they have planned in the second game. What would be the point in letting the player kill off the entire team only to have them be a huge part of the story in the third game? [/spoiler]
I disagree entirely. Mass Effect 2 was a BAD role-playing game. It didn't do anything to let you interact and change the world around you. All you got to do was make your Shepard (you don't get to play your own character, just what BioWare envision their protagonist to be) either a dick or a nice-guy. You couldn't make him into an easy-going, good-hearted guy who helps the innocent even if that means breaking the law. You couldn't make him a dirty bastard who killed every single person in his way, regardless of the consequences. You couldn't make him into a cannibal who raided corpses in the middle of the night and stole fruit from vendors during the day.

The best "role-playing game" this gen is Fallout: New Vegas by an absolute landslide. Every single choice you make effects how all the NPC's view you, how all the factions like you, and how your story progresses. Not only that, but you can build the protagonist you want, and aren't limited to what Obsidian set before you. Sure, you got shot in the head for a platinum chip and left for dead... but you make whatever name you want for yourself in the wasteland, and that effects everything else around you.

That, and there are plenty of quests you acn't do without the right skills, and tons of quests you can miss out on if you let a certain NPC die, or kill them yourself for their loot.

Mass Effect 2 is a JRPG... except from the West. It is a highly linear experience that focuses on the scripted events and scripted dialogue... you aren't given much of a choice... you still have to complete the quests/missions you get, whether you be a dick or a nice guy about it. In the end, its still BioWare's Shepard you are playing as... in the world BioWare thinks this Shepard fits into. "Change" is the essence of role-playing... and it saddens me that the RPG genre has been dumbed down to the point where Mass Effect 2 is labelled the "best" it has to offer throughout gaming history.

Have you ever played Baldur's Gate II, the original Fallout's, Planescape: Torment, Neverwinter Nights, TESII: Daggerfall, Ultima VII, Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines, Alpha Protocol, New Vegas or various other role-playing games where you can actually alter how the world around you views your character?

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[QUOTE="110million"] I disagree completely and 100%. I found the story very immersive and I actually felt I was part of the ME universe. I felt my choices really mattered and having played the game multiple times, they most certainly do. It didn't win RPG and has a 90%+ MC score for nothing.Heil68
[QUOTE="110million"]No.

A plot mostly copy pasted out of other works of sci-fi.

The worst example of "choices" I've ever seen in an RPG this gen. Unlike ME1, all the towns are small.

The non-town maps are as linear as FFXIII, straight lines with the odd curve, awkwardly placed cover.

Third person shooting is 99% of the game, easily, it is far more of a shooter than an RPG, this is actually the #1 reason I would say. Same enemy types all the time, 2 or 3 different types in every area, the occassional large robot is cool, but its rare. Soundtrack is cool sometimes, often forgetable or non-existant.Heil68

I disagree completely and 100%. I found the story very immersive and I actually felt I was part of the ME universe. I felt my choices really mattered and having played the game multiple times, they most certainly do. It didn't win RPG and has a 90%+ MC score for nothing.



Thats fine with the story, its just whenever something happened, and I've seen it in a movie or read it in a book, it took me out of the "immersion".

Choices don't matter, this is pretty much fact. I can bring up the same example as I have in the past *SPOILERS*


If ME1 made it seem so important to choose to save the council or not, and that humans were seen as inferior, so you manage to not only save the council and them owe you one, but you end up putting a human up there too, and what does this lead to? A short conversation at the start of ME2.

Saving wrex, its not a bunch of well planned desicions to calm him down and save him, its pressing blue. Its always pressing a color, if you want a situation to go smoothly, you press blue. Thats all it takes, blue blue blue, you are a god shepard, you were able to convince people to see things your way, because you pick blue all the time, so now you can pick blue later too. *sub in red, and same thing basically*.

*END SPOILERS*

If the choices were to be meainingful, they would be grey and not immediatly obvious as to where they lead. Again, quick example, I'm not a game designer but to give an example, say you walk into enemy base, find unarmed guy, choose to spare him, instead of "+5 PARAGON, NOW YOU'VE UNLOCKED CHOOSING HIGHER LEVEL PARAGON CHOICES" he could maybe unlock a door at one point or help you out in some other way, that would make you feel like "Yeah, being a good guy has its perks too" or whatever. The point is, its always obvious what is good and evil, and the majority of the time you see results right away, if you don't, they end up meaningless anyways, like saving the council.

I will give credit where credit is due *minor SPOILERS*

Who to save in ME1, ending choices in ME2

*END SPOILERS*

These were more meaningful, the result was not obvious, and making the wrong choice or a choice you didn't intend to make could effect the game. But then bioware takes the easy way out anyways, since either of the two characters can die, neither of them show in in ME2 for more than a few lines, they always leave out the prestige of the choices. It is making choices for the sake of making choices. Pseudo-results in a way. In the same vein, I'm sure because of what can happen in ME2, they won't include most of the characters in ME3 because its easier for them that way.

There are still choices from ME1 and the last choice from ME2 that they can make meaningful in ME3, they have proven they can sort of making major changes from choices, but they always seem to cut it short and not include a meaningful result. Wrex is the other example I forgot, if you don't make peace with him (for keeping down spoilers) I heard he gets replaced in ME2 with another krogan of with same voice and lines, I imagine the only difference is the "hey long time no see" type lines.

A few lines of dialog might be enough for most people, for them to claim the game has meaningful choices, but it isn't for me. I would not critic another game if it was the same in terms of choices, but so much of ME's praise and advertisement seems to be based off how many important choices you need to make, when they are in fact, rarely important, nor impactful.

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The thing that sucks about RPG's is that reviewers never attempt to classify these games so Fable 3, The Witcher, Planescape Torment, Mass Effect 2, Vampires the Masquerade: Bloodlines...all get lumped together in one genre when a lot of them are nothing alike. The Witcher can have poor combat but gray choices and decent dialogue and it's reviewed as a pretty good RPG, Oblivion has pretty graphics, tons of quests, a large world but the story sucks and reviewers say it's a good RPG. Mass Effect 2 has a good story, small worlds, competent shooting and choices and it's a good RPG. there is 0 standard to draw from. Mass Effect 2 is like an entry level RPG if one is willing to even consider it an RPG. If you don't like RPG's then yes, this may be your personal favorite RPG and the best ever to you. I'd pick Bloodlines, Fallout 1,2 New Vegas, Morrowind, Planescape, Arcanum, BGII, Arx Fatalis, Freedom Force, NWN II MotB....all over ME 2
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#35 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Gauloisess"]

Than you have been playing very poor made RPG's your whole life because Mass Effect isn't even actually an rpg lol.

Gauloisess

Baulders Gate 1&2 FO 1-3, Oblivion, final Fantasy 1-7, Chrono Trigger ect ect

Than you suck at defining the the games to a genre you are playing.

I'm sorry that you don't agree with me and name calling isn't necessary. I simply asked if you don't agree to list your favorite RPG of all time and why.
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You mean, greatest shooter.
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Then i must of made different choices, relationships then you because my choices mad HUGE differences in the games.It was some of the most moving and inspirational gaming that I have ever played.
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The best "role-playing game" this gen is Fallout: New Vegas by an absolute landslide. Every single choice you make effects how all the NPC's view you, how all the factions like you, and how your story progresses. Not only that, but you can build the protagonist you want, and aren't limited to what Obsidian set before you. Sure, you got shot in the head for a platinum chip and left for dead... but you make whatever name you want for yourself in the wasteland, and that effects everything else around you.foxhound_fox
Yeah New Vegas was a pretty massive improvement over Fallout 3, I weeped when I read the boards to see people saying it was so much worse than Fallout 3. The factions and start up are two major components of what make New Vegas such a great RPG. You are your own man free to make your own choices, you don't even really need to go after the man from the start. When you enter new areas, you can see how other choices effect the game. Who you take with you as well can make a difference, they all have allegiances and it can effect how they act in different scenerios.
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You mean, greatest shooter.siLVURcross
No, greatest *RPG*. I clearly state that in the OP and it's defined as an RPG by the developer and the game community as a whole.
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]You mean, greatest shooter.Heil68
No, greatest *RPG*. I clearly state that in the OP and it's defined as an RPG by the developer and the game community as a whole.

It's a sad day to see a game like Mass Effect classified as an RPG.
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#41 Heil68
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The best "role-playing game" this gen is Fallout: New Vegas by an absolute landslide. Every single choice you make effects how all the NPC's view you, how all the factions like you, and how your story progresses. Not only that, but you can build the protagonist you want, and aren't limited to what Obsidian set before you. Sure, you got shot in the head for a platinum chip and left for dead... but you make whatever name you want for yourself in the wasteland, and that effects everything else around you.110million
Yeah New Vegas was a pretty massive improvement over Fallout 3, I weeped when I read the boards to see people saying it was so much worse than Fallout 3. The factions and start up are two major components of what make New Vegas such a great RPG. You are your own man free to make your own choices, you don't even really need to go after the man from the start. When you enter new areas, you can see how other choices effect the game. Who you take with you as well can make a difference, they all have allegiances and it can effect how they act in different scenerios.

I figured when the next patch comes out to fix what the QA should of caught before release, I'll install and play it. Until then I'll just have to take your word for it for it's RPG elements, but it's polish is abysmal compared to ME2.
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I think the greatest RPG of all time is going to be a JRPG...

my pick is still final fantasy 7

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#43 110million
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[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The best "role-playing game" this gen is Fallout: New Vegas by an absolute landslide. Every single choice you make effects how all the NPC's view you, how all the factions like you, and how your story progresses. Not only that, but you can build the protagonist you want, and aren't limited to what Obsidian set before you. Sure, you got shot in the head for a platinum chip and left for dead... but you make whatever name you want for yourself in the wasteland, and that effects everything else around you.Heil68
Yeah New Vegas was a pretty massive improvement over Fallout 3, I weeped when I read the boards to see people saying it was so much worse than Fallout 3. The factions and start up are two major components of what make New Vegas such a great RPG. You are your own man free to make your own choices, you don't even really need to go after the man from the start. When you enter new areas, you can see how other choices effect the game. Who you take with you as well can make a difference, they all have allegiances and it can effect how they act in different scenerios.

I figured when the next patch comes out to fix what the QA should of caught before release, I'll install and play it. Until then I'll just have to take your word for it for it's RPG elements, but it's polish is abysmal compared to ME2.

This is a fact on polish, but this is a problem with the engine, Bethesda created such a horrid engine, its only benefits are its modability.
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#44 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"]You mean, greatest shooter.siLVURcross
No, greatest *RPG*. I clearly state that in the OP and it's defined as an RPG by the developer and the game community as a whole.

It's a sad day to see a game like Mass Effect classified as an RPG.

Maybe if you petition Bioware they can change it in time for ME3? As of right now it's considered a RPG, live with it. :)
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="Heil68"] No, greatest *RPG*. I clearly state that in the OP and it's defined as an RPG by the developer and the game community as a whole.

It's a sad day to see a game like Mass Effect classified as an RPG.

Maybe if you petition Bioware they can change it in time for ME3? As of right now it's considered a RPG, live with it. :)

I think I will!
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#46 Heil68
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I think the greatest RPG of all time is going to be a JRPG...

my pick is still final fantasy 7

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Excellent pick , my favorite by far in the series. I hope someday we get a HD remake of the game. It would be day 1 purchase for me.
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#47 Lionheart08
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Hell no. Importing your storyline is cool, but the roleplaying is actually pretty limited.

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#48 Heil68
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"] It's a sad day to see a game like Mass Effect classified as an RPG.

Maybe if you petition Bioware they can change it in time for ME3? As of right now it's considered a RPG, live with it. :)

I think I will!

And what would your pick for best RPG of all time be and why?
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#49 110million
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Everytime I post all that stuff about choices, no one ever replies. :(
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#50 oldkingallant
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HA no. Chrono Trigger is my favorite, but Mass Effect 2 would be way beyond that. It's a great game but it's not one of the best RPGs ever.