Is Mass Effect 2 the greatsest RPG of all time?

Im going to have to agree with the majority of people here and say that its a damn solid game but nowhere near the best RPG of all time.

For me that honor falls unto Knights of The Old Republic, that might be nostalgia but I have yet to play another game let alone an RPG that has come close to it.

StealthedRogue

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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]Why not just call ME2 a RPG-lite? That way everyone wins. But even if you were to ask say "is ME2 the greatest RPG-lite of all time?" the answer would still be no because Demon's Souls exists :P Heil68

One of them is GOTY, more than just flimsy crappy RPG of the year.

Runs beautifully maxed out as well. Smooth.

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="110million"] Well Demon's Souls prevents it from being even RPG of this gen, much less all-time. :o

One of them is GOTY, more than just flimsy crappy RPG of the year.

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Runs beautifully maxed out as well. Smooth.

Nope.

I Feel like Fable 2 is a better RPG but then again what do I know? I've only played the Mass Effect 2 Demo.

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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]Why not just call ME2 a RPG-lite? That way everyone wins. But even if you were to ask say "is ME2 the greatest RPG-lite of all time?" the answer would still be no because Demon's Souls exists :P Heil68

One of them is GOTY, more than just flimsy crappy RPG of the year.

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[QUOTE="Heil68"] You're just mad New Vegas was released as a steaming pile of dog crap and was reviewed and scored that way. For a game that had so much potential, it must really be disappointing for you. Heil68

Runs beautifully maxed out as well. Smooth.

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="110million"] Well Demon's Souls prevents it from being even RPG of this gen, much less all-time. :o

One of them is GOTY, more than just flimsy crappy RPG of the year.

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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="110million"] Sorry what? I've barely even said anything about New Vegas. Also I've put about 15 hours into it, my brother over 30, got 2 crashes in the first hour and never again, not one glitch, not one bug, no errors in dialog, no problems in quests. :)Runs beautifully maxed out as well. Smooth.110million

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[QUOTE="Heil68"] You're just mad New Vegas was released as a steaming pile of dog crap and was reviewed and scored that way. For a game that had so much potential, it must really be disappointing for you. Heil68

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[QUOTE="Heil68"] You're just mad New Vegas was released as a steaming pile of dog crap and was reviewed and scored that way. For a game that had so much potential, it must really be disappointing for you. Heil68

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Sure if you're simple minded enough to let reviews dictate your taste in games. New Vegas is the best RPG to come out this year and also the best RPG available on console.110million

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Sure if you're simple minded enough to let reviews dictate your taste in games. New Vegas is the best RPG to come out this year and also the best RPG available on console.

jasonharris48

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="110million"] Lots of people have put hundreds of hours into it but its unplayable :lol: The PC version got a lot of patches within first week that fixed most of it, not sure what you're waiting for them to fix, its horribly unlikely that you'd hit anything game breaking or problematic. For the record, 4 times in ME2, I was running along side a wall and suddenly he began to run upwards and was stuck and I had to load the last save point, just from playing the game normally. Thats 2x more problems than I've had with New Vegas. :lol: 110million

One of the greatest games this gen...but one of the weakest rpgs, this gen.

Ever? No. This gen? by far. But being fair, this gen has been a huge let down RPG wise. FFXIII is basically an on rails game with a mediocre combat system with annoying characters, Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas are a glitchfest with terrible writing, plot and characters, the Persona games try so hard to be Pokemon it's not even funny (it's pretty sad, actually), lol Alpha Protocol, the Witcher with its horrible combat, Demon's Souls relied too hard on try and error and online gimmicks instead of actual sustance. ME2 is the only one that manages to have good characters, good story and good combat with a solid presentation.The_RedLion

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]Ever? No. This gen? by far. But being fair, this gen has been a huge let down RPG wise. FFXIII is basically an on rails game with a mediocre combat system with annoying characters, Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas are a glitchfest with terrible writing, plot and characters, the Persona games try so hard to be Pokemon it's not even funny (it's pretty sad, actually), lol Alpha Protocol, the Witcher with its horrible combat, Demon's Souls relied too hard on try and error and online gimmicks instead of actual sustance. ME2 is the only one that manages to have good characters, good story and good combat with a solid presentation.jasonharris48

Oh and for Demon's Souls, I got through 80% of the game on first try, when you learn how to play, the game is not that hard.. if you're patient and play safe, its not trial and error at all, a game difficult by trial and error would not be GOTY. :|

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]Ever? No. This gen? by far. But being fair, this gen has been a huge let down RPG wise. FFXIII is basically an on rails game with a mediocre combat system with annoying characters, Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas are a glitchfest with terrible writing, plot and characters, the Persona games try so hard to be Pokemon it's not even funny (it's pretty sad, actually), lol Alpha Protocol, the Witcher with its horrible combat, Demon's Souls relied too hard on try and error and online gimmicks instead of actual sustance. ME2 is the only one that manages to have good characters, good story and good combat with a solid presentation.jasonharris48

The game is incredibly shallow; I don't see any way around that. It's choice and consequence, quest design, and character system all suck (compare it to New Vegas, for example) and those are pretty important elements in an RPG.

And sure, it's well-presented, but the story isn't amazing by any means; in fact, it was actually pretty idiotic, all things considered. The final boss (moreover, the explanation for the final boss) was ****ing stupid, man. I cringed at how bad it was. If you'd like to explain to me why I'm wrong on that front I'd love to hear it.

Overall, I'd say ME2 is just a slick, well presented, action oriented sci-fi game with really good art, music, and cutscenes, fun combat, bad role playing content, and a meatheaded story.

Hardly "greatest RPG of all time" material.

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[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]Ever? No. This gen? by far. But being fair, this gen has been a huge let down RPG wise. FFXIII is basically an on rails game with a mediocre combat system with annoying characters, Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas are a glitchfest with terrible writing, plot and characters, the Persona games try so hard to be Pokemon it's not even funny (it's pretty sad, actually), lol Alpha Protocol, the Witcher with its horrible combat, Demon's Souls relied too hard on try and error and online gimmicks instead of actual sustance. ME2 is the only one that manages to have good characters, good story and good combat with a solid presentation.The_RedLion

That would be like blaming the Wii for being too much like the PS Move :roll:

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[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]Ever? No. This gen? by far. But being fair, this gen has been a huge let down RPG wise. FFXIII is basically an on rails game with a mediocre combat system with annoying characters, Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas are a glitchfest with terrible writing, plot and characters, the Persona games try so hard to be Pokemon it's not even funny (it's pretty sad, actually), lol Alpha Protocol, the Witcher with its horrible combat, Demon's Souls relied too hard on try and error and online gimmicks instead of actual sustance. ME2 is the only one that manages to have good characters, good story and good combat with a solid presentation.110million

Oh and for Demon's Souls, I got through 80% of the game on first try, when you learn how to play, the game is not that hard.. if you're patient and play safe, its not trial and error at all, a game difficult by trial and error would not be GOTY. :|

I don't care who introduced it, lol, Pokemon, lol, was the one, lol, that popularized it, lol.110million

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[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]Ever? No. This gen? by far. But being fair, this gen has been a huge let down RPG wise. FFXIII is basically an on rails game with a mediocre combat system with annoying characters, Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas are a glitchfest with terrible writing, plot and characters, the Persona games try so hard to be Pokemon it's not even funny (it's pretty sad, actually), lol Alpha Protocol, the Witcher with its horrible combat, Demon's Souls relied too hard on try and error and online gimmicks instead of actual sustance. ME2 is the only one that manages to have good characters, good story and good combat with a solid presentation.110million

Oh and for Demon's Souls, I got through 80% of the game on first try, when you learn how to play, the game is not that hard.. if you're patient and play safe, its not trial and error at all, a game difficult by trial and error would not be GOTY. :|

Interesting! Then a game that's not a great RPG wouldn't win RPG Goty. That means ME2 is a great RPG. A better RPG than any other RPG released this year.

That means ME2 is a great RPG. A better RPG than any other RPG released this year.The_RedLion

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"] The Wii is more popular than the Move. 110million

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[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]Ever? No. This gen? by far. But being fair, this gen has been a huge let down RPG wise. FFXIII is basically an on rails game with a mediocre combat system with annoying characters, Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas are a glitchfest with terrible writing, plot and characters, the Persona games try so hard to be Pokemon it's not even funny (it's pretty sad, actually), lol Alpha Protocol, the Witcher with its horrible combat, Demon's Souls relied too hard on try and error and online gimmicks instead of actual sustance. ME2 is the only one that manages to have good characters, good story and good combat with a solid presentation.The_RedLion

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] The Wii is more popular than the Move. The_RedLion

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] The Wii is more popular than the Move. The_RedLion

Edit: Sorry heil for topic hijack. :(

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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] The Persona games try too hard to be Pokemon games? You do realise the Megaten series was around before Pokemon right? (It also introduced the whole creature fighting by your side thing). Get your facts straight lol

The_RedLion

Oh and for Demon's Souls, I got through 80% of the game on first try, when you learn how to play, the game is not that hard.. if you're patient and play safe, its not trial and error at all, a game difficult by trial and error would not be GOTY. :|

Interesting! Then a game that's not a great RPG wouldn't win RPG Goty. That means ME2 is a great RPG. A better RPG than any other RPG released this year.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="110million"] You're saying something that is more popular is allowed to rip something else off and take full credit? :roll: Not only did Megami Tensei do it first, but it did it much better. Better monster designs, fusion, ACTUAL PLOT, a deep RPG experience.110million

Edit: Sorry heil for topic hijack. :(

A better RPG than any other RPG released this year.

The_RedLion

Except that New Vegas came out this year and trashes ME2 in just about every single area significant to the genre.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="110million"] You're saying something that is more popular is allowed to rip something else off and take full credit? :roll: Not only did Megami Tensei do it first, but it did it much better. Better monster designs, fusion, ACTUAL PLOT, a deep RPG experience.110million

Edit: Sorry heil for topic hijack. :(

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reading trough this thread is annoying, tons of pc gamers spouting off about old ass RPG's and bashing masseffect. If i wasnt going to get ME3 for my PC, i would rather them not release it for PC since none of you seem to appreciate it.

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[QUOTE="The_RedLion"] A better RPG than any other RPG released this year.

Except that New Vegas came out this year and trashes ME2 in just about every single area significant to the genre.

Please, that tired old excuse. It seems the "cool" thing to do around here is rave about how much better old games are and bash every new thing that comes out. BoringAdvid-Gamer

New Vegas is, well, new, and it's much better than ME2, as well as being newer, though I think I mentioned that.

Is that legit, or am I an old-assed PC elitist?

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[QUOTE="The_RedLion"] Unpopular things try to be like popular things. Just like the Persona games try to be Pokemon, failing miserably :(The_RedLion

Edit: Sorry heil for topic hijack. :(

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"] Persona does nothing better than Pokemon. They're mediocre game filled with too much anime. FFXIII is another game that suffers from that, for example.110million

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] Persona does nothing better than Pokemon. They're mediocre game filled with too much anime. FFXIII is another game that suffers from that, for example.The_RedLion

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="110million"] Is it that hard to be wrong? Give it up, you were wrong. Persona uses the same elements that MT did in the NES era, but of course vastly improved. Also like I've said, SMT games do it much better than Pokemon, they are much deeper titles, and the fusion and monster capturing is far more innovative than in Pokemon. If you actually played them, you would know. :)

Edit: Sorry heil for topic hijack. :(

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[QUOTE="The_RedLion"] A better RPG than any other RPG released this year.

The_RedLion

Except that New Vegas came out this year and trashes ME2 in just about every single area significant to the genre.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="110million"] :lol: omg, now I know for sure you haven't played any of the games you're talking. FFXIII has no anime in it. :| Nice try though, please try again. 110million