Is Mass Effect 2 the greatsest RPG of all time?

This topic is locked from further discussion.

Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#302 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts
[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Because stat progression is what makes a RPG. It's a shame a small amount of people know anything about RPGs.

I understand that, and character building. It just that it doesn't have be complex. The ME2 cl-ass stat systemmay be simple but it is flexible. You have no idea how many builds you can make in this game.

Here's the bioware forum dedicated for it for ME2.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/category/261/index

ME1 had far less flexibility for build due to the gameplay system being broken.

I'm not saying it has to be complex but it shouldn't be as shallow as ME2 is though.

Again, It does not matter. It's all based on how it's used. Hell, ME1 has a deeper stat building than ME2 but it still was horribly broken. And lets not start with Oblivion. It's all about how it's used and the ME2 stats are used very well.
Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#303 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts
[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] The dialogue does not make it a RPG. The character & stat progression is rather weak especially compared to other RPGs. As for the game paly what makes it so special? It just plays out like a TPS.

Play a class other than solder on a setting more that normal and you'll see what makes it speical.

I never use the Solder class (please do not make assumptions lol)

Then play on a higher setting then normal.
Avatar image for Ace6301
Ace6301

21389

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#304 Ace6301
Member since 2005 • 21389 Posts
[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"]I understand that, and character building. It just that it doesn't have be complex. The ME2 cl-ass stat systemmay be simple but it is flexible. You have no idea how many builds you can make in this game.

Here's the bioware forum dedicated for it for ME2.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/category/261/index

ME1 had far less flexibility for build due to the gameplay system being broken.

I'm not saying it has to be complex but it shouldn't be as shallow as ME2 is though.

Again, It does not matter. It's all based on how it's used. Hell, ME1 has a deeper stat building than ME2 but it still was horribly broken. And lets not start with Oblivion. It's all about how it's used and the ME2 stats are used very well.

What stats?
Avatar image for Master_ShakeXXX
Master_ShakeXXX

13361

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 142

User Lists: 0

#305 Master_ShakeXXX
Member since 2008 • 13361 Posts

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] The dialogue does not make it a RPG. The character & stat progression is rather weak especially compared to other RPGs. As for the game paly what makes it so special? It just plays out like a TPS.

jasonharris48

And a clunky one at that. Why is this game so loved? Seriously?

Personally I loved Mass Effect 2 but I hardly consider it a RPG

I'm glad you enjoyed it but I can't for the life of me understand what makes it GOTY material. Everything I have seen and played of ME2 indicates that everything it does has been done much better in numerous other games. Shallow RPG elements which get completely thrashed by other, more heavy RPGs. Clunky TPS mechanics. Is the story and characters just that good that they save it? Maybe, but the only thing I know for sure is the ME2 demo was god awful. I literally had to force myself to finish it.

Avatar image for Ace6301
Ace6301

21389

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#306 Ace6301
Member since 2005 • 21389 Posts

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

And a clunky one at that. Why is this game so loved? Seriously?

Master_ShakeXXX

Personally I loved Mass Effect 2 but I hardly consider it a RPG

I'm glad that you enjoyed it but I can't for the life of me understand what makes it GOTY material. Everything I have seen and played of ME2 indicates that everything it does has been done much better in numerous other games. Shallow RPG elements which get completely thrashed by other, more heavy RPGs. Clunky TPS mechanics. Is the story and characters just that good that they save it? Maybe, but the only thing I know for sure is the ME2 demo was god awful. I literally had to force myself to finish it.

Story sucks, Characters and Voice acting are what keep it's head above being considered an excuse plot. The TPS elements aren't really that bad but compared to Vanquish and Uncharted 2 they're pretty outdated. The Characters are very 3 dimensional and well done though. The ME2 demo is terrible. I have no idea what Bioware was thinking. I like ME2 and my friend likes ME1 and even joking about it we got bored and played Dead Space 2 demo instead.
Avatar image for jasonharris48
jasonharris48

21441

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#307 jasonharris48
Member since 2006 • 21441 Posts

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] Play a class other than solder on a setting more that normal and you'll see what makes it speical.dreman999

I never use the Solder class (please do not make assumptions lol)

Then play on a higher setting then normal.

I have and I'm playing on Insane right now. But I fail to see how I have to play on a higher difficulty to experiencingthis special gameplay. There is nothing special about it.

Avatar image for Shoaka
Shoaka

643

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 28

User Lists: 0

#309 Shoaka
Member since 2009 • 643 Posts

I'd personally consider it an RPG. Call it an action RPG but it's still an RPG, and more of an RPG than most if not all of JRPGs, which it has been labeled as by some. If you consider it a shooter, there's more to it's combat than any shooter I've ever played. I'd like to see any action adventure or shooter be presented to me that has as much gameplay differentation or variety let alone dialogue or story decisions as Mass Effect 2.

You also have to bring in the 'game' aspects of it as well, like the presentation and custscenes. Which doesn't make it the best RPG of all time, not even close. But as a game, it is easily, easily the best to release this year.

Avatar image for Blazerdt47
Blazerdt47

5671

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#310 Blazerdt47
Member since 2004 • 5671 Posts

Your kidding right? Mass Effect is a poor man's RPG.

Avatar image for jasonharris48
jasonharris48

21441

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#311 jasonharris48
Member since 2006 • 21441 Posts

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] I never use the Solder class (please do not make assumptions lol)

spookykid143

Then play on a higher setting then normal.

Just give it up.

Yes please do so

Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#312 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="110million"] No, they don't. In ME2 you decide in what order you get your skills, not what to learn. In an RPG with deeper customization, you create a build, decide the stats, the skills, etc. A game with such weak customization could NEVER be considered the best RPG. Every game does not need full stat customization and such, but all the best RPGs have something unique to the way it sets up the combat or characters or whatever. Chrono Trigger has the 3 character attacks, and.. actual equipment, each FF has some system for character customization, materia, guardian force, sphere grids, gambits/licence board. ME2 is a TPS with light RPG gameplay elements. It shares some things with other RPGs, like detailed universe, NPC interactions and such, but in no ways gameplay wise, is it like an RPG.

People can play planescape then turn around and say ME2 is the best RPG of all time? It distrubs me.

110million

.......D and D's Prist class destroies your flawed theory.

When you're going to use some obscure crap some guy made on a forum(I assume), at least have the decency to provide a link :roll: One build by one guy can't destroy anything anyways :lol: The best RPGs have character customization at their core, no matter what class, no matter what difficulty, you can customize characters through various means. No one tells you that you have to play a game using a specific class at a specific difficulty using a specific build to have a "deep" experience in any other RPGs :roll:

.......What? You have no idea what your taking about. I'm taking about classic Dougouns and Dragon cl-asses, which all rpg video games are based on. Withit also used in video games as well.

The Priest(also, called cleric) cl-ass is one that gets all it's spells and abilities on it's own. I just levels up and gets new magic based on it level. It's one of the simplest class build and one of the examples that stat building does not have to be complex. This is basic for rpgs. Look it up and stop making your self look bad.

So don't tell me what an rpg is if you don't even know how the priest cl-ass works.

Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#313 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts
[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

Then play on a higher setting then normal.dreman999
Just give it up.

Yes please do so

So I guess you did play it only on normal.
Avatar image for spookykid143
spookykid143

10393

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#314 spookykid143
Member since 2009 • 10393 Posts

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]Just give it up.

dreman999

Yes please do so

So I guess you did play it only on normal.

He said he is playing it on insane.

Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#315 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] I'm not saying it has to be complex but it shouldn't be as shallow as ME2 is though.

Ace6301

Again, It does not matter. It's all based on how it's used. Hell, ME1 has a deeper stat building than ME2 but it still was horribly broken. And lets not start with Oblivion. It's all about how it's used and the ME2 stats are used very well.

What stats?

This stats.

:roll:

The one in ever rpg that you spend a small amount of time in compared to the rest of the game.

Avatar image for jasonharris48
jasonharris48

21441

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#316 jasonharris48
Member since 2006 • 21441 Posts

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]Just give it up.

dreman999

Yes please do so

So I guess you did play it only on normal.

Did you even read my previous post? Selective reading FTW right? Like I said earlier I fail to see playing ME2 on a higher difficulty is going to pursued me into believing there was something special about ME2 gameplay.

Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#317 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts
[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Yes please do so

So I guess you did play it only on normal.

He said he is playing it on insane.

But Insane is broken.:P Plus, He needs to say it.
Avatar image for Master_ShakeXXX
Master_ShakeXXX

13361

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 142

User Lists: 0

#318 Master_ShakeXXX
Member since 2008 • 13361 Posts

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] So I guess you did play it only on normal.dreman999

He said he is playing it on insane.

But Insane is broken.:P Plus, He needs to say it.

But he did say it... :|

Avatar image for jasonharris48
jasonharris48

21441

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#319 jasonharris48
Member since 2006 • 21441 Posts

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="spookykid143"]He said he is playing it on insane.

Master_ShakeXXX

But Insane is broken.:P Plus, He needs to say it.

But he did say it... :|

Like I said earlier selective reading lol

Avatar image for Ace6301
Ace6301

21389

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#321 Ace6301
Member since 2005 • 21389 Posts

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="dreman999"] Again, It does not matter. It's all based on how it's used. Hell, ME1 has a deeper stat building than ME2 but it still was horribly broken. And lets not start with Oblivion. It's all about how it's used and the ME2 stats are used very well.dreman999

What stats?

This stats.

:roll:

The one in ever rpg that you spend a small amount of time in compared to the rest of the game.

I see Health...and...yeah that's it. If you mean abilities then yes it has those. As do so very many action games that have been released in the last 20 years.
Avatar image for 110million
110million

14910

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#322 110million
Member since 2008 • 14910 Posts

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="dreman999"]

.......D and D's Prist class destroies your flawed theory.

dreman999

When you're going to use some obscure crap some guy made on a forum(I assume), at least have the decency to provide a link :roll: One build by one guy can't destroy anything anyways :lol: The best RPGs have character customization at their core, no matter what class, no matter what difficulty, you can customize characters through various means. No one tells you that you have to play a game using a specific class at a specific difficulty using a specific build to have a "deep" experience in any other RPGs :roll:

.......What? You have no idea what your taking about. I'm taking about classic Dougouns and Dragon cl-asses, which all rpg video games are based on. Withit also used in video games as well.

The Priest(also, called cleric) cl-ass is one that gets all it's spells and abilities on it's own. I just levels up and gets new magic based on it level. It's one of the simplest class build and one of the examples that stat building does not have to be complex. This is basic for rpgs. Look it up and stop making your self look bad.

So don't tell me what an rpg is if you don't even know how the priest cl-ass works.

People say DnD so D and D looks weird as hell, you also said Prist not Priest, so I guessed it was some weird acronym or shortform for some sort of psuedo mass effect class or something. Before I thought you might have had something, now I have no idea what you are talking about. DnD classes have stats which dictate what they can learn, how well they can do certain tasks, etc. Bioware used to do DnD based games, but ME was never one of them. Baldur's Gate and NWN are both awesome and DnD based, they have a lot of character customization, deep build creation, etc. ME has less than 1% as much customization as either.
Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#323 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Yes please do so

jasonharris48

So I guess you did play it only on normal.

Did you even read my previous post? Selective reading FTW right? Like I said earlier I fail to see playing ME2 on a higher difficulty is going to pursued me into believing there was something special about ME2 gameplay.

*Sigh.......

Normal setting. Every one is unshielded. Just spam pull, shock waver, shot everything blindly and you win easily. No pressure to make a good build.

Veteran setting. Every one is shielded, but only a little bit. You have to think more. But a few shots or one good overload and they're naked to the world.

Hardcore setting. The enemies are fast and have way better shielding. Make a mistake you die. Rush you die. You have to make careful shots. Use your powers more to stun enemies and make a good build, especially for Vanguards. Sure, you can snipe everyone easily with a infiltrator cl-ass........until the husk stages where you get bum rushed by husk with armour.

Insanity setting. Fantastic builds only or you die....alot.

Avatar image for spookykid143
spookykid143

10393

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#324 spookykid143
Member since 2009 • 10393 Posts

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] So I guess you did play it only on normal.dreman999

Did you even read my previous post? Selective reading FTW right? Like I said earlier I fail to see playing ME2 on a higher difficulty is going to pursued me into believing there was something special about ME2 gameplay.

*Sigh.......

Normal setting. Every one is unshielded. Just spam pull, shock waver, shot everything blindly and you win easily. No pressure to make a good build.

Veteran setting. Every one is shielded, but only a little bit. You have to think more. But a few shots or one good overload and they're naked to the world.

Hardcore setting. The enemies are fast and have way better shielding. Make a mistake you die. Rush you die. You have to make careful shots. Use your powers more to stun enemies and make a good build, especially for Vanguards. Sure, you can snipe everyone easily with a infiltrator cl-ass........until the husk stages where you get bum rushed by husk with armour.

Insanity setting. Fantastic builds only or you die....alot.

Your a lost cause

Avatar image for jasonharris48
jasonharris48

21441

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#325 jasonharris48
Member since 2006 • 21441 Posts

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] So I guess you did play it only on normal.dreman999

Did you even read my previous post? Selective reading FTW right? Like I said earlier I fail to see playing ME2 on a higher difficulty is going to pursued me into believing there was something special about ME2 gameplay.

*Sigh.......

Normal setting. Every one is unshielded. Just spam pull, shock waver, shot everything blindly and you win easily. No pressure to make a good build.

Veteran setting. Every one is shielded, but only a little bit. You have to think more. But a few shots or one good overload and they're naked to the world.

Hardcore setting. The enemies are fast and have way better shielding. Make a mistake you die. Rush you die. You have to make careful shots. Use your powers more to stun enemies and make a good build, especially for Vanguards. Sure, you can snipe everyone easily with a infiltrator cl-ass........until the husk stages where you get bum rushed by husk with armour.

Insanity setting. Fantastic builds only or you die....alot.

Still fail to see how the gameplay is anything special (especially having to increase the difficulty)

Avatar image for Ace6301
Ace6301

21389

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#326 Ace6301
Member since 2005 • 21389 Posts

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] So I guess you did play it only on normal.dreman999

Did you even read my previous post? Selective reading FTW right? Like I said earlier I fail to see playing ME2 on a higher difficulty is going to pursued me into believing there was something special about ME2 gameplay.

*Sigh.......

Normal setting. Every one is unshielded. Just spam pull, shock waver, shot everything blindly and you win easily. No pressure to make a good build.

Veteran setting. Every one is shielded, but only a little bit. You have to think more. But a few shots or one good overload and they're naked to the world.

Hardcore setting. The enemies are fast and have way better shielding. Make a mistake you die. Rush you die. You have to make careful shots. Use your powers more to stun enemies and make a good build, especially for Vanguards. Sure, you can snipe everyone easily with a infiltrator cl-ass........until the husk stages where you get bum rushed by husk with armour.

Insanity setting. Fantastic builds only or you die....alot.

Guess I got lucky then since I just threw my very generous number of ability points into whatever and lol'd at cryo ammo and steam rolled everything as a Van on Hardcore and didn't find Insanity all that terrible.
Avatar image for DarkLink77
DarkLink77

32731

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#327 DarkLink77
Member since 2004 • 32731 Posts

No. Not even close. There are so many games that are better RPGs that it would take a long time to list them all.

Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#328 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="110million"] When you're going to use some obscure crap some guy made on a forum(I assume), at least have the decency to provide a link :roll: One build by one guy can't destroy anything anyways :lol: The best RPGs have character customization at their core, no matter what class, no matter what difficulty, you can customize characters through various means. No one tells you that you have to play a game using a specific class at a specific difficulty using a specific build to have a "deep" experience in any other RPGs :roll: 110million

.......What? You have no idea what your taking about. I'm taking about classic Dougouns and Dragon cl-asses, which all rpg video games are based on. Withit also used in video games as well.

The Priest(also, called cleric) cl-ass is one that gets all it's spells and abilities on it's own. I just levels up and gets new magic based on it level. It's one of the simplest class build and one of the examples that stat building does not have to be complex. This is basic for rpgs. Look it up and stop making your self look bad.

So don't tell me what an rpg is if you don't even know how the priest cl-ass works.

People say DnD so D and D looks weird as hell, you also said Prist not Priest, so I guessed it was some weird acronym or shortform for some sort of psuedo mass effect class or something. Before I thought you might have had something, now I have no idea what you are talking about. DnD classes have stats which dictate what they can learn, how well they can do certain tasks, etc. Bioware used to do DnD based games, but ME was never one of them. Baldur's Gate and NWN are both awesome and DnD based, they have a lot of character customization, deep build creation, etc. ME has less than 1% as much customization as either.

Sure, they have stats, but do you regularly added more points to it. No. Yes, what you can learn is based on stats but you don't update often. Here you are stating that rpg stats that can choose everything are mandatory for all rpgs forgetting the one cl-ass that from the basics that outside of stat point ,which you barley change and can only choose with a dice roll, can't choose your abilities you get.

Avatar image for Ace6301
Ace6301

21389

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#329 Ace6301
Member since 2005 • 21389 Posts

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="dreman999"]

.......What? You have no idea what your taking about. I'm taking about classic Dougouns and Dragon cl-asses, which all rpg video games are based on. Withit also used in video games as well.

The Priest(also, called cleric) cl-ass is one that gets all it's spells and abilities on it's own. I just levels up and gets new magic based on it level. It's one of the simplest class build and one of the examples that stat building does not have to be complex. This is basic for rpgs. Look it up and stop making your self look bad.

So don't tell me what an rpg is if you don't even know how the priest cl-ass works.

dreman999

People say DnD so D and D looks weird as hell, you also said Prist not Priest, so I guessed it was some weird acronym or shortform for some sort of psuedo mass effect class or something. Before I thought you might have had something, now I have no idea what you are talking about. DnD classes have stats which dictate what they can learn, how well they can do certain tasks, etc. Bioware used to do DnD based games, but ME was never one of them. Baldur's Gate and NWN are both awesome and DnD based, they have a lot of character customization, deep build creation, etc. ME has less than 1% as much customization as either.

Sure, they have states, but do you regularly added more points to it. No. Yes, what you can learn is based on stats but you don't update often. Here you are stating that rpg stats that can choose everything are mandatory for all rpgs forgetting the one cl-ass that from the basics that outside of stat point ,which you barley change and can only choose with a dice roll, can't choose your abilities you get.

I put this in a TTS and I went cross eyed. I can't make heads or tails of this.
Avatar image for 110million
110million

14910

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#330 110million
Member since 2008 • 14910 Posts

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="dreman999"]

.......What? You have no idea what your taking about. I'm taking about classic Dougouns and Dragon cl-asses, which all rpg video games are based on. Withit also used in video games as well.

The Priest(also, called cleric) cl-ass is one that gets all it's spells and abilities on it's own. I just levels up and gets new magic based on it level. It's one of the simplest class build and one of the examples that stat building does not have to be complex. This is basic for rpgs. Look it up and stop making your self look bad.

So don't tell me what an rpg is if you don't even know how the priest cl-ass works.

dreman999

People say DnD so D and D looks weird as hell, you also said Prist not Priest, so I guessed it was some weird acronym or shortform for some sort of psuedo mass effect class or something. Before I thought you might have had something, now I have no idea what you are talking about. DnD classes have stats which dictate what they can learn, how well they can do certain tasks, etc. Bioware used to do DnD based games, but ME was never one of them. Baldur's Gate and NWN are both awesome and DnD based, they have a lot of character customization, deep build creation, etc. ME has less than 1% as much customization as either.

Sure, they have states, but do you regularly added more points to it. No. Yes, what you can learn is based on statsbut you don't update often. Here you are stating that rpg stats that can choose everthing are manditoty for all rpgs forgeting the one cl-ass that from the basics that outside of stat point ,which you barly change andcan only choose with a dice roll, can't choose your ablities you get.

I specifically said not all RPGs have stat customization, what I did say was that every major RPG has some major kind of customization, which ME2 has none of.

Just about every RPG has equipment customization, ME2 has only a few weapons, none of which are effected by stats. Also, the deep customization RPGs, you do put in stats, in DnD stats are even more important because you only get stat points at certain levels, there is a lot of traits and skills you learn along the way though.

ME2 does none of that. ME2 has a handful of skills that are mostly useless unless you play on a specific difficulty with a specific class etc etc. Every other RPG, like I've said, has this customization at its core, not on certain difficulties. :roll:

That game I put a picture of, you decide your stats every level, you have skills and traits you put points into to learn and increase in effectiveness, it defines your character. ME2 has once again, a few weapons, a few armor types, and a handful of skills, and nothing else. The only way to try to add depth is in very specific scenerios, well other RPGs don't need specific scenerios to be RPGs.

Avatar image for Master_ShakeXXX
Master_ShakeXXX

13361

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 142

User Lists: 0

#331 Master_ShakeXXX
Member since 2008 • 13361 Posts

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

Avatar image for 110million
110million

14910

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#332 110million
Member since 2008 • 14910 Posts

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

Master_ShakeXXX
I gave up for a while, but then I got bored again, was taking turns playing DKCR with some friends for most of the argument :lol:
Avatar image for mccoyca112
mccoyca112

5434

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#333 mccoyca112
Member since 2007 • 5434 Posts

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

Master_ShakeXXX

The only threads that get debunked are genuine troll threads. These debates never get resolved. Ever.

Avatar image for jasonharris48
jasonharris48

21441

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#334 jasonharris48
Member since 2006 • 21441 Posts

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

110million

I gave up for a while, but then I got bored again, was taking turns playing DKCR with some friends for most of the argument :lol:

I still need to pick up that title.

Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#335 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Did you even read my previous post? Selective reading FTW right? Like I said earlier I fail to see playing ME2 on a higher difficulty is going to pursued me into believing there was something special about ME2 gameplay.

Ace6301

*Sigh.......

Normal setting. Every one is unshielded. Just spam pull, shock waver, shot everything blindly and you win easily. No pressure to make a good build.

Veteran setting. Every one is shielded, but only a little bit. You have to think more. But a few shots or one good overload and they're naked to the world.

Hardcore setting. The enemies are fast and have way better shielding. Make a mistake you die. Rush you die. You have to make careful shots. Use your powers more to stun enemies and make a good build, especially for Vanguards. Sure, you can snipe everyone easily with a infiltrator cl-ass........until the husk stages where you get bum rushed by husk with armour.

Insanity setting. Fantastic builds only or you die....alot.

Guess I got lucky then since I just threw my very generous number of ability points into whatever and lol'd at cryo ammo and steam rolled everything as a Van on Hardcore and didn't find Insanity all that terrible.

Cryo ammo is better than you think.

(Shadow broker spoilers)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr1g8EktO1s

Avatar image for spookykid143
spookykid143

10393

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#336 spookykid143
Member since 2009 • 10393 Posts

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

Master_ShakeXXX

The whole is ME2 a RPG argument will never end.

Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#337 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

Master_ShakeXXX

Why can't we just say BG2 is thegreatest rpg and just end it at that.

Avatar image for 110million
110million

14910

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#338 110million
Member since 2008 • 14910 Posts

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

spookykid143

The whole is ME2 a RPG argument will never end.

Because people have different levels of RPG experience and different definitions, it will truly never end. I will never, ever accept ME2 as an RPG, but others will not agree. Its still fun to see what others argue in that regard though.
Avatar image for Ace6301
Ace6301

21389

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#339 Ace6301
Member since 2005 • 21389 Posts

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

dreman999

Why can't we just say BG2 is thegreatest rpg and just end it at that.

We aren't all Bioware fanboys like you that's why.
Avatar image for 110million
110million

14910

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#340 110million
Member since 2008 • 14910 Posts

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

dreman999

Why can't we just say BG2 is thegreatest rpg and just end it at that.

I accept, lets be friends. :)
Avatar image for spookykid143
spookykid143

10393

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#341 spookykid143
Member since 2009 • 10393 Posts

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

dreman999

Why can't we just say BG2 is thegreatest rpg and just end it at that.

But it isn't planetscape torment is better

Avatar image for Chutebox
Chutebox

51602

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#342 Chutebox
Member since 2007 • 51602 Posts

God no, not even close.

Avatar image for jethrovegas
jethrovegas

5103

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#343 jethrovegas
Member since 2007 • 5103 Posts

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

dreman999

Why can't we just say BG2 is thegreatest rpg and just end it at that.

Because it isn't.

Simple, right?

Avatar image for FIipMode
FIipMode

10850

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 8

User Lists: 0

#344 FIipMode
Member since 2009 • 10850 Posts
Put Mass Effect 2 and RPG in the same sentence, and you get the same results every time.
Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#345 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

Ace6301

Why can't we just say BG2 is thegreatest rpg and just end it at that.

We aren't all Bioware fanboys like you that's why.

Ok, then witcherfinalfantasy6bulder'sgate2morrowinfollout2kotorchronotriggerandwhateverobscurerpgyoulike is the greatest rpg ever.

Avatar image for Master_ShakeXXX
Master_ShakeXXX

13361

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 142

User Lists: 0

#346 Master_ShakeXXX
Member since 2008 • 13361 Posts

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

spookykid143

Why can't we just say BG2 is thegreatest rpg and just end it at that.

But it isn't planetscape torment is better

Nuh uh! Diablo 2 is the greatest!

Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#347 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts
[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

17 pages later and this argument has gone no where :lol:

You guys should just shake internet hands.

Why can't we just say BG2 is thegreatest rpg and just end it at that.

I accept, lets be friends. :)

We are all heroes: You and Boo and I. Hamsters and rangers everywhere! Rejoice!
Avatar image for spookykid143
spookykid143

10393

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#348 spookykid143
Member since 2009 • 10393 Posts

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] Why can't we just say BG2 is thegreatest rpg and just end it at that.

Master_ShakeXXX

But it isn't planetscape torment is better

Nuh uh! Diablo 2 is the greatest!

Chrono cross>all

Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#349 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] Why can't we just say BG2 is thegreatest rpg and just end it at that.

Master_ShakeXXX

But it isn't planetscape torment is better

Nuh uh! Diablo 2 is the greatest!

Let just say that it'sclearthatMasseffect2isn'tthegreatestrpg is the greatest rpg ever.

Avatar image for dreman999
dreman999

11514

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#350 dreman999
Member since 2004 • 11514 Posts
[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]But it isn't planetscape torment is better

Nuh uh! Diablo 2 is the greatest!

Chrono cross>all

Final Fantasy 6>Chrono cross