Is Mass Effect 2 the greatsest RPG of all time?

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Postal_Guy"]

No

the bit I played of it bored me to tears (as did the first one)

Gothic 2 takes that crown for me

110million

No

the bit I played of it bored me to tears (as did the first one)

Gothic 2 takes that crown for me

It's better than any other RPG released this gen, that for sure.

It's better than any other RPG released this gen, that for sure.

The_RedLion

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It's better than any other RPG released this gen, that for sure.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

It's better than any other RPG released this gen, that for sure.

foxhound_fox

Or maybeI have a different opinion. Madness, I know.

Or maybeI have a different opinion. Madness, I know.

The_RedLion

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Or maybeI have a different opinion. Madness, I know.

foxhound_fox

Any opinion about "the best game" isn't right or wrong, that's very obvious.

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Pressure and tension, makes the player actually feel like they have something to lose. Which I honestly wish ME2 did more frequently, at least putting the player on a knifes edge and punishing them. Personally I never felt threatened and never tested - finished with every positive outcome without really trying, just following the appropriate path. Which while rewarding that it all went to an ideal plan, was a bit dull compared to RPGs or games where a sort of sacrifice is necessary, and more outcomes are weighed on the player. Hell, I might be a bit of a masochist but too many games don't want to really mess with the player (which I'd say is a reason that so many 'tough unforgiving' games like Demon's Souls and Super Meat Boy are receiving extra doses of attention. /ramble.skrat_01

But I liked that, the game proved to me my decisions had weight and consequence - same with Wrex.
This did happen a few times in ME2 - just not nearly at the level of this, which was a shame; the most interesting one being the Geth choice had absolutely no visible result (set aside from ME3 apparently from what I could tell).

I thought the way the narrative came together was all a bit of a mess. Recruiting individuals, who sit in their own spaces, not a single sense of camaraderie at all - Shepard is never in danger or saved, trust of the team is never put to the east (as far as story development goes this was a fundamental failure) - back on track - I really didn't.

I simply chose the right options, did all the upgrades and everyone lived - I admit it was a bit of a tense final cut scene (I had convinced myself that the game was going torip something away from me sooner or later) but nothing happened.

Which was pleasing, in a hooray I won sense, but not the least bit pleasing that the game had challenged me to the extent where I thought I had gotten the better of it, only for it to pull the carpet from under my feet. Which really was a shame, I almost wish I had made more mistakes even.

That being said quite a few people found the finales outcomes to be a bit too arbitrary, which I can see - a friend of mine is still grieving over Mordins death.

Any opinion about "the best game" isn't right or wrong, that's very obvious.

The_RedLion

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Any opinion about "the best game" isn't right or wrong, that's very obvious.

foxhound_fox

There's not an official defintion of what is a RPG to make it right or wrong. Most of the industry consider it a RPG (see the many Best RPG of 2010 awards and nominations), no one I know of consider Halo Reach a platformer. The only think you can use to tell me I'm wrong is your opinion, and I consider mine more important (nothing personal :P )

If you think it's not a RPG, that's your problem, not mine. I still think it's the best RPG. :)

Its the best game this generation for sure and if bioware never created the genius of KOTOR I might be agreeing that Mass Effect 1 and 2 are the best RPGs ive ever played. Japan isnt on the map anymore but I will say that FF2 snes and Crono Trigger are in my top 5.

TheEroica

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

Any opinion about "the best game" isn't right or wrong, that's very obvious.

foxhound_fox

ME2 as an rpg? Absolutely not. Its one of my favorite games this year, but compared to games like fallout, the witcher, oblivion, ff, its not much of an rpg.

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[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

Any opinion about "the best game" isn't right or wrong, that's very obvious.

dreman999

Some people like stable story based rpgs with no plot changes and plays like a tps, others like glichy open ended with limited character roleplaying and plays like a fps. Madness, I'm sure.

dreman999

ME2 as an rpg? Absolutely not. Its one of my favorite games this year, but compared to games like fallout, the witcher, oblivion, ff, its not much of an rpg.

HaLoMaStErJT

ME2 as an rpg? Absolutely not. Its one of my favorite games this year, but compared to games like fallout, the witcher, oblivion, ff, its not much of an rpg.

......Wait a second......Your saying Final Fantasy is more of an rpg than ME2? :lol:dreman999

Nah, I liked D2 alot more.

Most of the industry consider it a RPG (see the many Best RPG of 2010 awards and nominationsThe_RedLion

Why don't people understand that reviews and popular opinion mean NOTHING? You know that Brittney Spears and Justin Bieber are considered musicians right? But are they?

Especially in a society where being stupid rules the day, to base your classification on a standard espoused by the dumb is shortsighted.

ME2 is a failure of an RPG, failure of a shooter, failure of a story continuation and winner of "cool". It does nothing well, except camera placement in cutscenes and VO work.

Even the level layout on ME2 was like a shooter. For example the areas where you shoot and fight are all covered in crates, and separated by loading screens, from the towns for example. And when you finish the level, then you get a fixed experience and a reward gun for example.GeneralShowzer

Why don't people understand that reviews and popular opinion mean NOTHING? You know that Brittney Spears and Justin Bieber are considered musicians right? But are they?

Especially in a society where being stupid rules the day, to base your classification on a standard espoused by the dumb is shortsighted.

ME2 is a failure of an RPG, failure of a shooter, failure of a story continuation and winner of "cool". It does nothing well, except camera placement in cutscenes and VO work.

haberman13

[QUOTE="dreman999"] ......Wait a second......Your saying Final Fantasy is more of an rpg than ME2? :lol:foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="dreman999"] ......Wait a second......Your saying Final Fantasy is more of an rpg than ME2? :lol:foxhound_fox

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[QUOTE="dreman999"] ......Wait a second......Your saying Final Fantasy is more of an rpg than ME2? :lol:dreman999

ME2 isnt a real rpg, so no. i LOVE ME2 though, as you can see from my sig. my favorite RPG would actually be runescape *applies flame retardent spray*

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
There are tons of Final Fantasy's with far more character customization than either ME game. The only thing JRPG's are missing is the interaction with those characters in the world around them, and the effect they have upon it. They might be linear, but they have a ton more RPG elements than either ME games.

110million

Why don't people understand that reviews and popular opinion mean NOTHING? You know that Brittney Spears and Justin Bieber are considered musicians right? But are they?

Especially in a society where being stupid rules the day, to base your classification on a standard espoused by the dumb is shortsighted.

ME2 is a failure of an RPG, failure of a shooter, failure of a story continuation and winner of "cool". It does nothing well, except camera placement in cutscenes and VO work.

Why don't people understand that reviews and popular opinion mean NOTHING? You know that Brittney Spears and Justin Bieber are considered musicians right? But are they?

Especially in a society where being stupid rules the day, to base your classification on a standard espoused by the dumb is shortsighted.

ME2 is a failure of an RPG, failure of a shooter, failure of a story continuation and winner of "cool". It does nothing well, except camera placement in cutscenes and VO work.

[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] Only FF3, FF5, some of FF7 and some of FF8. most are straight line leveling.

dreman999

So no FF is not more of an rpg than ME2.

dreman999

It's all optional. It's a TPS with RPG elements..Ace6301

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Why don't people understand that reviews and popular opinion mean NOTHING? You know that Brittney Spears and Justin Bieber are considered musicians right? But are they?

Especially in a society where being stupid rules the day, to base your classification on a standard espoused by the dumb is shortsighted.

ME2 is a failure of an RPG, failure of a shooter, failure of a story continuation and winner of "cool". It does nothing well, except camera placement in cutscenes and VO work.

dreman999

As previously stated, opinions don't matter. They can do whatever they want, label it whatever they want; doesn't change the relative fact that ME2 is a terrible rpg, and a terrible shooter. Overly homogenized, overly dumbed down.

Feel free to feel the complete opposite. Personally: Bieber sucks, and so does ME2 for similar reasons.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]So no FF is not more of an rpg than ME2.foxhound_fox

Why don't people understand that reviews and popular opinion mean NOTHING? You know that Brittney Spears and Justin Bieber are considered musicians right? But are they?

Especially in a society where being stupid rules the day, to base your classification on a standard espoused by the dumb is shortsighted.

ME2 is a failure of an RPG, failure of a shooter, failure of a story continuation and winner of "cool". It does nothing well, except camera placement in cutscenes and VO work.

haberman13

[QUOTE="110million"] FF2 was certainly not straight line leveling, it was a technique that some WRPGs (like Oblivion) now use today. FFs may have linear leveling, but its not about leveling, its about character customization, and FF7's materia system, FF8's junctions, FF9's weapon abilities, FF12's licences and gambits, they all change how each character progresses and you can customize them as much as you want, this kind of customization is not found in either ME.

i agree.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]Oh yes I did. FF9, most of the abilities I got I did not use. As I said Ability collecting. FF12 skills suck if they don't use magic. AKA, only magic skill work out side of charge. All you do in that game is give everyone healing magic and charge and that it. The game then plays itself. Sure you can use attack magic but non magic skills don't work at all. And you can only do that on normal setting in ME2 with every thing with no protection on.Ace6301

Also, with ff12. May time I would just bring may characters to an open area with monsters set the chontrol down and let them do their thing for an hour while I did something else. Plus, their no difference with who you have on your team

[QUOTE="dreman999"] And you can only do that on normal setting in ME2 with every thing with no protection on.110million

It's runner up for my GOTY, but it isn't the greatest RPG by a country mile.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="dreman999"]Oh yes I did. FF9, most of the abilities I got I did not use. As I said Ability collecting. FF12 skills suck if they don't use magic. AKA, only magic skill work out side of charge. All you do in that game is give everyone healing magic and charge and that it. The game then plays itself. Sure you can use attack magic but non magic skills don't work at all. And you can only do that on normal setting in ME2 with every thing with no protection on.dreman999

Also, with ff12. May time I would just bring may characters to an open area with monsters set the chontrol down and let them do their thing for an hour while I did something else. Plus, their no difference with who you have on your team

It's one of the BEST RPG's this generation. Can't say it's the best, as this generation isn't even over yet. DQ IX is also very good and we haven't even played the new ZELDA yet.

blackace

After playing Fallout New Vegas on PC for a while I'm not even sure if ME2 is my favorite RPG of the year. Sure it's much more polished, but Fallout is very immersive and I actually enjoy the combat more, perhaps because it's not 90% of the game, a large portion is traveling, trading, talking, making choices, exploring, leveling up, using items, and other things crucial to an RPG. Even if on my first attempt I accidentally shot the guy I was supposed to talk to and had to start the game over :lol:.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] So you admit it then. Alright then you have to agree then that it's not an RPG since you don't even need to use the RPG elements. Your fights in FFXII must have been very painful since it seems like it must have taken you forever to do anything if you just spammed healing and actually needed to use charge.Ace6301

Also, with ff12. May time I would just bring may characters to an open area with monsters set the chontrol down and let them do their thing for an hour while I did something else. Plus, their no difference with who you have on your team