Is Mass Effect 2 the greatsest RPG of all time?

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[QUOTE="spookykid143"]But it isn't planetscape torment is better

dreman999

Nuh uh! Diablo 2 is the greatest!

Hell, no way!

LoL@Mass Effect 2 being better than Skies Of Arcadia Xenogears or Parasite Evevincent380

I luv how all these "I define what a RPG is" think they r the final word. Annoying zealots all over this website. OT....it's top 5 "RPG's" imo

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] And what level would that be...?

Lionheart08

The Wrpg lite level!!!

Console Mainstream?

I say just mainstream cuz Kotor was on the Xbox and was a better RPG, even ME1 is a better RPG.

what I meant is the RPG elements that were missing from ME1, if ME2 had all of the ME1 RPG elements that'd great.

I hope ME3 be deeper in the RPG department and they need to refine the shooting mechanics and level design for it, animations too, I don't like how Shepard runs, he runs like a 50 years old dude.

I will say it's one of the best but not the greatest of all time

[QUOTE="vincent380"]LoL@Mass Effect 2 being better than Skies Of Arcadia Xenogears or Parasite Evedreman999

Absolutely not.

I doubt it would even be in my top 5 RPGs of all time.

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[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

The Wrpg lite level!!!

Console Mainstream?

I say just mainstream cuz Kotor was on the Xbox and was a better RPG, even ME1 is a better RPG.

what I meant is the RPG elements that were missing from ME1, if ME2 had all of the ME1 RPG elements that'd great.

I hope ME3 be deeper in the RPG department and they need to refine the shooting mechanics and level design for it, animations too, I don't like how Shepard runs, he runs like a 50 years old dude.

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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

Console Mainstream?

dreman999

I say just mainstream cuz Kotor was on the Xbox and was a better RPG, even ME1 is a better RPG.

what I meant is the RPG elements that were missing from ME1, if ME2 had all of the ME1 RPG elements that'd great.

I hope ME3 be deeper in the RPG department and they need to refine the shooting mechanics and level design for it, animations too, I don't like how Shepard runs, he runs like a 50 years old dude.

I didn't play ME1 for a long time, i finish most of the games once so I don't have enough knowledge of the first game's classes but I remember there were more customizations for your armor, weapon, character attributes...etc.

Role play or decisions in both games were above average and there was no major difference so there is no point for me to say which was better in role playing, however, this is another aspect they need to improve, they should follow Heavy Rain's technique of role playing, it was a very unique and immersive technique.

two things they should do like in Heavy Rain.

• remove the paragon/renegade aka blue/red colored decisions, you don't have to level up to say/do something bad or good :? they need to throw like 5 decisions without pointing out the obvious colored decisions to make it more vague, you will be always guessing which is which and there will be more grey areas, that's something Heavy Rain excelled at.
• there should be a time limit to choose what to say and it would depend on the type of conversation/dialogue.

also is it a great idea to make the side missions also within a time frame? something like Dead Rising series, Jrpgs have that too sometimes.

Blue Dragon was a better RPG then Mass Effect 2, in fact the only good thing they did was tighten up the gunplay.......but everything else MASSive failure

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

I say just mainstream cuz Kotor was on the Xbox and was a better RPG, even ME1 is a better RPG.

what I meant is the RPG elements that were missing from ME1, if ME2 had all of the ME1 RPG elements that'd great.

I hope ME3 be deeper in the RPG department and they need to refine the shooting mechanics and level design for it, animations too, I don't like how Shepard runs, he runs like a 50 years old dude.

HAZE-Unit

I didn't play ME1 for a long time, i finish most of the games once so I don't have enough knowledge of the first game's classes but I remember there were more customizations for your armor, weapon, character attributes...etc.

Role play or decisions in both games are above average and there was no major difference so there is no point for me to say which was better in role playing, however, this is another aspect they need to improve, they should follow Heavy Rain's technique of role playing, it was a very unique and immersive technique.

two things they should do like in Heavy Rain.

• remove the paragon/renegade aka blue/red colored decisions, you don't have to level up to say something bad or good :? they need to throw like 5 decisions without pointing out the obvious colored decisions to make it more vague, you will be always guessing which is which and there will be more grey areas, that's something Heavy Rain excelled at.
• there should be a time limit to choose what to say and it would depend on the type of conversation/dialogue.

also is it a great idea to make the side missions also with a time limit? something like Dead Rising series, Jrpgs have that too sometimes.

1. Yes, ME1 has more customization for your Armour and gearbut they were just a simple type with level that made it a little stronger than the next.(Armour plating 1, armour platin2, etc.) Though it had more customization, all it did was just add more needlessmanagement to the game and most of the time it was one build or universal build that was used to easily beat the game. ME2 has more flexibility due to allowing extra abilities add to your character without beating the game and to be able to add that extra ability as soon as you get it. Plus, you can give any cl-ass any type of gun excluding soldier who can't get sub machine guns. Though only soldier based cl-ass can get the strongest gun.(Vanguard can get claymore, Infiltrators can get the strongest sniper rifle,Soldiers can get one of ether the strongest assault rifle, sniper rifle or shotgun.)

2.What your talking about is plot. Story and plot are two different things in plots. As is story is what everything is about.(The man sat down.) And plo is what happens in the story.(The man ran into the room and quickly sat down in the red chair.)

In ME1 and 2 you can change what happens in the story but you can't change the plot. Which is your complaint. And their are difference in the story based on your action.......nothing to change the plot though.

3.As in the par/ren system. This is part of role playing character rpg. That is just a charm system, with based on your charm states can determine what you can say. Think of it as getting better at debating stat. It's something carried over from DnD and it's used in Persona. It's here to stay.....But think of it a nice/mean meter, it's not a good/evil meter.

They may have the timed thing in ME3.

4.ME2 does have a time limit missions, but mostly for the last mission to save your crew.

I just want the side mission to be morejust like the overlord dlc. Look it up if you can.

Blue Dragon was a better RPG then Mass Effect 2, in fact the only good thing they did was tighten up the gunplay.......but everything else MASSive failure

Syn_Valence

Not even in my top 20. Good game, though.

Maybe not the greatest, but it's up there on the list.:)

General Rule-of-Thumb on RPGs:

1. Who developed it.

2. Does it run well.

3. Does the storyline grab you.

4. Is it fun to play.

A RPG meets those, you're good to go...BioWare meets all four of these.:)

No, simply no.

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Blue Dragon was a better RPG then Mass Effect 2, in fact the only good thing they did was tighten up the gunplay.......but everything else MASSive failure

dreman999

also is it a great idea to make the side missions also within a time frame? something like Dead Rising series, Jrpgs have that too sometimes.

HAZE-Unit

Also I notcied if you go by what mass effect is doing at leastby 2 standards which had much less customozing then alot of games could be also called rpgs when they are clearly not. Something like the yakuza series its basicly the same thing only difference you cant make choices and insted of shooting your punching.

also is it a great idea to make the side missions also within a time frame? something like Dead Rising series, Jrpgs have that too sometimes.

Also I notcied if you go by what mass effect is doing at leastby 2 standards which had much less customozing then alot of games could be also called rpgs when they are clearly not. Something like the yakuza series its basicly the same thing only difference you cant make choices and insted of shooting your punching.

finalfantasy94

Having played RPG's as far back as the first installment of Dragon quest on the NES system, I feel no other game has captured my imagination and gaming attention as Mass Effect 2. With it's deep, rich story, interesting characters and It's filled with breathtaking landscapes with attention to detail which allows the art ****to shine. Add in fantastic level design and awesome skills like the vanguard's charge or the infiltrator's cloaking ability and you have one spectacular virtual playground So I ask you do you agree and if not what is your favorite RPG and why?Heil68

Is this a joke thread?

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Also I notcied if you go by what mass effect is doing at leastby 2 standards which had much less customozing then alot of games could be also called rpgs when they are clearly not. Something like the yakuza series its basicly the same thing only difference you cant make choices and insted of shooting your punching.

dreman999

im guessing you never played the yakuza series so you wouldint know what your talking about. Yakuza does indeed feel alive and you can interact with the people and do tons of sidemissions,dateing girls,running a host club,playing pool and tons of other mini games. ME is basicly go to planet talk to a few npc to do a misson which could be shooting something or talking about a problemand repeat over and over. All im saying is if something like ME can be counted as a deep rpg whats stoping someone from saying "x game can count to" my example was yakauza since the only difference is in ME you make choices and you can have butt sex with someone. Oh and its in space. Again I really like ME im just stating what I think.

For me ME2 is a "TPSrpg" note how the "rpg" is in lower case letters.

There are sadly alot of lore holes and TPS problems and the RPG area is minor. Do it make it a "bad" game? No its okey / good.

Is it a good / great / best rpg? Not a chance.

For me RPG's require a few things:

*Freedom in choices, builds, play styles. If you want to be a space rogue that hate his own race. Then you can be that. If you want to be a space pirate with a "good" moral code. then you can be that. (Well you get the point). In ME you have 2 choices. "The ultimate super nice guy" or "ASS" making choices less important.

*Stats are important. Its your characters points that decide hits, resists, strength, smooth talk and you the player apply your knowledge to turn the character into what you want it to be. ME honestly if they removed the stats system no one would notice it O.o .

*Overall good story / world... Sure there can be a world with its own story and the ultimate goal is to save the world / galaxy / kingdom or whatever. However what you do, how you go and so on decide how the game world will shape and look and react to you.

*Skills and abilities... There should be alot of them so that you can expand on your play style and be what you want to be so to say. It also adds a more complex combat system where you simply just dont have 1-3 abilities that you only use ME / DAO have this.

there are a few more points but sadly no game so far have made a "pure" rpg. The purest rpg's are table top ones. There are alot of great rpg's out there. But last "generation" have been average to bad on rpg's.

Its one of the best games of all time but it isn't rpg enough to be the best rpg of all time.

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Also I notcied if you go by what mass effect is doing at leastby 2 standards which had much less customozing then alot of games could be also called rpgs when they are clearly not. Something like the yakuza series its basicly the same thing only difference you cant make choices and insted of shooting your punching.

im guessing you never played the yakuza series so you wouldint know what your talking about. Yakuza does indeed feel alive and you can interact with the people and do tons of sidemissions,dateing girls,running a host club,playing pool and tons of other mini games. ME is basicly go to planet talk to a few npc to do a misson which could be shooting something or talking about a problemand repeat over and over. All im saying is if something like ME can be counted as a deep rpg whats stoping someone from saying "x game can count to" my example was yakauza since the only difference is in ME you make choices and you can have butt sex with someone. Oh and its in space. Again I really like ME im just stating what I think.

For me ME2 is a "TPSrpg" note how the "rpg" is in lower case letters.

There are sadly alot of lore holes and TPS problems and the RPG area is minor. Do it make it a "bad" game? No its okey / good.

Is it a good / great / best rpg? Not a chance.

For me RPG's require a few things:

*Freedom in choices, builds, play styles. If you want to be a space rogue that hate his own race. Then you can be that. If you want to be a space pirate with a "good" moral code. then you can be that. (Well you get the point). In ME you have 2 choices. "The ultimate super nice guy" or "ASS" making choices less important.

*Stats are important. Its your characters points that decide hits, resists, strength, smooth talk and you the player apply your knowledge to turn the character into what you want it to be. ME honestly if they removed the stats system no one would notice it O.o .

*Overall good story / world... Sure there can be a world with its own story and the ultimate goal is to save the world / galaxy / kingdom or whatever. However what you do, how you go and so on decide how the game world will shape and look and react to you.

*Skills and abilities... There should be alot of them so that you can expand on your play style and be what you want to be so to say. It also adds a more complex combat system where you simply just dont have 1-3 abilities that you only use ME / DAO have this.

there are a few more points but sadly no game so far have made a "pure" rpg. The purest rpg's are table top ones. There are alot of great rpg's out there. But last "generation" have been average to bad on rpg's.

KalDurenik

Not that ME2 is that limiting in powers. It's more flexibly than ME1 with how you can build your character. Here's the bioware forum dedicated to it.http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/category/261/index

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For me ME2 is a "TPSrpg" note how the "rpg" is in lower case letters.

There are sadly alot of lore holes and TPS problems and the RPG area is minor. Do it make it a "bad" game? No its okey / good.

Is it a good / great / best rpg? Not a chance.

For me RPG's require a few things:

*Freedom in choices, builds, play styles. If you want to be a space rogue that hate his own race. Then you can be that. If you want to be a space pirate with a "good" moral code. then you can be that. (Well you get the point). In ME you have 2 choices. "The ultimate super nice guy" or "ASS" making choices less important.

*Stats are important. Its your characters points that decide hits, resists, strength, smooth talk and you the player apply your knowledge to turn the character into what you want it to be. ME honestly if they removed the stats system no one would notice it O.o .

*Overall good story / world... Sure there can be a world with its own story and the ultimate goal is to save the world / galaxy / kingdom or whatever. However what you do, how you go and so on decide how the game world will shape and look and react to you.

*Skills and abilities... There should be alot of them so that you can expand on your play style and be what you want to be so to say. It also adds a more complex combat system where you simply just dont have 1-3 abilities that you only use ME / DAO have this.

there are a few more points but sadly no game so far have made a "pure" rpg. The purest rpg's are table top ones. There are alot of great rpg's out there. But last "generation" have been average to bad on rpg's.

dreman999

Not that ME2 is that limiting in powers. It's more flexibly than ME1 with how you can build your character. Here's the bioware forum dedicated to it.http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/category/261/index

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Having played RPG's as far back as the first installment of Dragon quest on the NES system, I feel no other game has captured my imagination and gaming attention as Mass Effect 2. With it's deep, rich story, interesting characters and It's filled with breathtaking landscapes with attention to detail which allows the art ****to shine. Add in fantastic level design and awesome skills like the vanguard's charge or the infiltrator's cloaking ability and you have one spectacular virtual playground So I ask you do you agree and if not what is your favorite RPG and why?lucky_star

Is this a joke thread?

'Fraid not lol

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also is it a great idea to make the side missions also within a time frame? something like Dead Rising series, Jrpgs have that too sometimes.

dreman999

But I liked that, the game proved to me my decisions had weight and consequence - same with Wrex.
This did happen a few times in ME2 - just not nearly at the level of this, which was a shame; the most interesting one being the Geth choice had absolutely no visible result (set aside from ME3 apparently from what I could tell).

I thought the way the narrative came together was all a bit of a mess. Recruiting individuals, who sit in their own spaces, not a single sense of camaraderie at all - Shepard is never in danger or saved, trust of the team is never put to the east (as far as story development goes this was a fundamental failure) - back on track - I really didn't.

I simply chose the right options, did all the upgrades and everyone lived - I admit it was a bit of a tense final cut scene (I had convinced myself that the game was going torip something away from me sooner or later) but nothing happened.

Which was pleasing, in a hooray I won sense, but not the least bit pleasing that the game had challenged me to the extent where I thought I had gotten the better of it, only for it to pull the carpet from under my feet. Which really was a shame, I almost wish I had made more mistakes even.

That being said quite a few people found the finales outcomes to be a bit too arbitrary, which I can see - a friend of mine is still grieving over Mordins death.

No, no its not, Its great but not the greatest.

Is this a joke thread?lucky_star

Absolutely not.

I doubt it would even be in my top 5 RPGs of all time.

SpinoRaptor24

[QUOTE="lucky_star"]Is this a joke thread?Heil68

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="lucky_star"]Is this a joke thread?110million

[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] Nope, not in the slightest bit. I know it's hard to comprehend that people may have opinions that differ from yours, but by golly it happens! :oHeil68

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="110million"] I'm totally not getting back into this, but I will say that while I can believe you believe what you said, fantastic level design I do not believe would be a possible thing to say.. I mean I could argue Crysis is the greatest FPs, but I would never say it has deep character development for example. (I don't believe its the best, but just an example). The majority of levels are as linear as FFXIII with plastered cover.. unless you mean something else by level design. In terms of visually appealing, they are indeed great, but the levels still suffer from the same linear paths and doors in almost every area.110million

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/12/30/15-things-we-want-to-see-in-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/" title="http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/12/30/15-things-we-want-to-see-in-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/">http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/12/30/15-things-we-want-to-see-in-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/ I am interested mostly with the scaling of the game as that pretty much ruined Oblivion for me.Heil68

Its the best game this generation for sure and if bioware never created the genius of KOTOR I might be agreeing that Mass Effect 1 and 2 are the best RPGs ive ever played. Japan isnt on the map anymore but I will say that FF2 snes and Crono Trigger are in my top 5.

[QUOTE="Heil68"] http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/12/30/15-things-we-want-to-see-in-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/" title="http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/12/30/15-things-we-want-to-see-in-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/">http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/12/30/15-things-we-want-to-see-in-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/ I am interested mostly with the scaling of the game as that pretty much ruined Oblivion for me.110million

No

the bit I played of it bored me to tears (as did the first one)

Gothic 2 takes that crown for me

No

the bit I played of it bored me to tears (as did the first one)

Gothic 2 takes that crown for me

Postal_Guy

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No

the bit I played of it bored me to tears (as did the first one)

Gothic 2 takes that crown for me

Heil68