Is Naughty Dog officialy = to Bioware, Blizzard, and Valve ELITENESS?

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Its easy to make AAA games when you pump out one every 6 years lol....Give BioWare 5+ years to make Mass Effect, or Quantic Dream 5 years to make Heavy Rain etc and these games would be mindblowing.

Uptown

WoW 2004 - Burning Crusade 2007 - WOTLK 2008, that doesn't sound like every 6 years to me.

Since when do expansion packs count as new games? Thats like saying Resident Evil Lost in Nightmares is a new game.....cmon

Really? You guys serious? Let me ask you a question, why can't the WoW xpacs be considered a new game yet uncharted 2 can? Because it has 2 in it?

Infact to your prior argument let me bring out the whole time line

Warcraft 1 1994 - Warcraft 2 TOD 1995 - Warcraft 2 BTDP 1996 - Diablo 1996 - Starcraft 1998 -Starcraft - Broodwar 1998 - Diablo 2 2000 - Diablo 2: LOD 2001 - Warcraft 3:ROC - 2002 - Warcraft 3: TFT -2003, WoW -2004, WoW:TBC- 2007, WoW:WOTLK -2008, Starcraft 2 - 2010, WoW:Cataclysm - 2010, Diablo 3 - 2011

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If thats what you understood from my post you missed my whole point. Also i didnt say ND is better, i said ofc can compete with Blizzard but not with Bioware. Expansions are not even games to count them as a whole new product. Also .. answer me this then. Imagine ND focus only on Uncharted 3 for the next 7 years. What you think results will be , when in 2 ( 2007 to 2009 ) the sequel had 9.5 and 10s? Answer me here what you think about it .AzatiS

Do you understand how many games blizzard has released from starcraft 1 till now? Seriously what kind of argument are you bringing here? They didn't focus on anything for 7 years..... They can't compete will blizzard, this is a fact.

Your question makes no sense because it's not applicable to the situation, instead of rambling how about bringing a real question. Also more time doesn't mean a better game, all I am going to say is Too Human.

Definitely when they have made my 2 favorite games of this gen.

If Naughty Dog , or ANY of NDs company caliber would make A SINLGE IP and especially a sequel based on a already popular formula , as Blizzard doin , EVERY 6-7 YEARS for a single title and for an easy platform as PC ( easier architecture and well known programs to make VGs with ) ... IMAGINE for example ND drop every other IP and focus on UNCHARTED 3 from now till 2016-17 release for PS4 or PC or something... Wouldnt be 10000% AAA game? Does that make you elite?!! in a way maybe...

Quality makes you elite , but also lack of quantity and making sequels for more than 15 years now ( sc2 after 13 years) is not elite at all...

OFC is on the same league as those companies.!!

Bioware might be a step beyond ( i mean , new ips every time , most AAA and take everything a step beyond .. Cant compete with anyone , its on another league) but hell yeah , ND is a great company

AzatiS

Sorry I missed your post,

Let me quickly say this,

I feel Bioware, loses some points for making only 1 genre of game (RPG).

Conversely, Naughty Dog has covered multiple genre's...they gain points....in a manner of speaking.

Valve is even worse than Bioware in this regard, because not only do they only make 1 genre (FPS)....they primarily make mods. But we should cover that in a different topic.

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[QUOTE="Uptown"]

Its easy to make AAA games when you pump out one every 6 years lol....Give BioWare 5+ years to make Mass Effect, or Quantic Dream 5 years to make Heavy Rain etc and these games would be mindblowing.

Uptown

WoW 2004 - Burning Crusade 2007 - WOTLK 2008, that doesn't sound like every 6 years to me.

Since when do expansion packs count as new games? Thats like saying Resident Evil Lost in Nightmares is a new game.....cmon

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

WoW 2004 - Burning Crusade 2007 - WOTLK 2008, that doesn't sound like every 6 years to me.

Espada12

Since when do expansion packs count as new games? Thats like saying Resident Evil Lost in Nightmares is a new game.....cmon

Really? You guys serious? Let me ask you a question, why can't the WoW xpacs be considered a new game yet uncharted 2 can? Because it has 2 in it?

Because its a new game independent of the first? I dont see any lemmings flinging around Lost and the Damned and Ballad of Gay Tony

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

WoW 2004 - Burning Crusade 2007 - WOTLK 2008, that doesn't sound like every 6 years to me.

Espada12

Since when do expansion packs count as new games? Thats like saying Resident Evil Lost in Nightmares is a new game.....cmon

Really? You guys serious? Let me ask you a question, why can't the WoW xpacs be considered a new game yet uncharted 2 can? Because it has 2 in it?

Since when do expansion packs count as new games? Thats like saying Resident Evil Lost in Nightmares is a new game.....cmon

Uptown

Expansions were invented for devs to release short term sequels without having to include the engine on the disk and so essentially use the same engine as the previous game. With the increase in disk space and various other methods the word expansions now only means "using the same engine" as you no longer require the original games to play them.

For example The Mass Effect Trilogy is being released as 3 separate games and yet the planned Starcraft Trilogy is going to be released as one game with 2 expansions. It's just how pc gaming works, if Mass Effect was a pc exclusive 2 and 3 would've been expansions.

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[QUOTE="Uptown"]

Since when do expansion packs count as new games? Thats like saying Resident Evil Lost in Nightmares is a new game.....cmon

Uptown

Really? You guys serious? Let me ask you a question, why can't the WoW xpacs be considered a new game yet uncharted 2 can? Because it has 2 in it?

Because its a new game independent of the first?

WoW expansion packs have far more content than conventional console expansions. They change the current game world while adding new content. And you can consider the free content Blizzard releases every few months for WoW to be mini-expansions.princeofshapeir

Sorry,

But you can't pass off expansions as full games.

You won't be able to sell that theory to a blind man.

Blizzard? Yes. Valve? Maybe. BioWare? Heck no, not even close.

Of course they are, they have actually been around as long as most of them aswell. I mean god, Crash Bandicoot shaped my childhood. Although I did get in trouble alot for jumping on crates and spinning at people.

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[QUOTE="Uptown"]

Its easy to make AAA games when you pump out one every 6 years lol....Give BioWare 5+ years to make Mass Effect, or Quantic Dream 5 years to make Heavy Rain etc and these games would be mindblowing.

Uptown

WoW 2004 - Burning Crusade 2007 - WOTLK 2008, that doesn't sound like every 6 years to me.

Since when do expansion packs count as new games? Thats like saying Resident Evil Lost in Nightmares is a new game.....cmon

Each ex-pack has more content than 99% of games out there.

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Since when do expansion packs count as new games? Thats like saying Resident Evil Lost in Nightmares is a new game.....cmon

Persistantthug

Sorry,

But you can't pass off expansions as full games.

You won't be able to sell that theory to a blind man.

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[QUOTE="Uptown"]

Since when do expansion packs count as new games? Thats like saying Resident Evil Lost in Nightmares is a new game.....cmon

Uptown

Really? You guys serious? Let me ask you a question, why can't the WoW xpacs be considered a new game yet uncharted 2 can? Because it has 2 in it?

Because its a new game independent of the first? I dont see any lemmings flinging around Lost and the Damned and Ballad of Gay Tony

REALLY? and making it independent from the first but playing the same way some how makes it better than an xpac? Especially when wow xpacs change the way everything is played everytime one comes out?

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WoW expansion packs have far more content than conventional console expansions. They change the current game world while adding new content. And you can consider the free content Blizzard releases every few months for WoW to be mini-expansions.Persistantthug

Sorry,

But you can't pass off expansions as full games.

You won't be able to sell that theory to a blind man.

Gratz on emphasizing on the trivial (the freaking name) while completely neglecting what's IMPORTANT (content).

Sorry,

But you can't pass off expansions as full games.

You won't be able to sell that theory to a blind man.

Persistantthug

Each ex-pack has more content than 99% of games out there.

shakmaster13

Thank you for varifying the facts for us.

You called it an EX-PACK. An EXPANSION pack.......as in, not a full game.

I don't care the content it may have.....an "ex-pack" is what it is...an expansion.

Thank you.

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[QUOTE="Uptown"]

Since when do expansion packs count as new games? Thats like saying Resident Evil Lost in Nightmares is a new game.....cmon

AzatiS

Really? You guys serious? Let me ask you a question, why can't the WoW xpacs be considered a new game yet uncharted 2 can? Because it has 2 in it?

I've answered your question no matter how little it had to do with the point, I even gave you an example, go read my last post pls. Also again you give me a nonsensical statement, how did you go to this conclusion from my statement? Here's the thing, WoW expansions change the game more than most sequels do, not only that they have more content than most sequels do, and they get added graphics like most sequels, why whould a sequel, just because it has 2 in the name be considered a new game but not wow xpac?

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Each ex-pack has more content than 99% of games out there.

Persistantthug

Thank you for varifying the facts for us.

You called it an EX-PACK. An EXPANSION pack.......as in, not a full game.

I don't care the content it may have.....an "ex-pack" is what it is...an expansion.

Thank you.

It's hilarious how you ignore all the replies that you can't rebut.

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[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

Each ex-pack has more content than 99% of games out there.

Hanass

Thank you for varifying the facts for us.

You called it an EX-PACK. An EXPANSION pack.......as in, not a full game.

I don't care the content it may have.....an "ex-pack" is what it is...an expansion.

Thank you.

It's hilarious how you ignore all the replies that you can't rebut.

Which is why I've started ignoring him. Cows to da max!

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Each ex-pack has more content than 99% of games out there.

Persistantthug

Thank you for varifying the facts for us.

You called it an EX-PACK. An EXPANSION pack.......as in, not a full game.

I don't care the content it may have.....an "ex-pack" is what it is...an expansion.

Thank you.

No, just no.

as it is right now, I would say "close" They have the thing in common with the other devs in the thread, that they finally delivered a game of the same league of standards, Now they just have to push that level, (or at the very least keep it) for some 12 years or so.

IE. UC3 being vastly superior to UC2, graphics in the grand scheme of things matters very little, they are shiney and pretty for the first 5 mins. UC2 did the good thing of being entertaining aswell, but making 1 smash hit, does not equal devs who set the standards of just about everything in thier respectible category, and been the most respected dev on thier field for over a decade

I guess we will see ^^ If everyone starts to copy UC2 and 3 (or whatever thier next game is), then I would consider them top tier overall

As of right now I think I would put them up there with Bungie, which is not a bad bar to reach (no pun intended).

It's hilarious how you ignore all the replies that you can't rebut.

Hanass

I'm sorry,

But it is uterly impossible for me to answer everybody's submission here....I'm just 1 man.

I'll give you my attention right now, however......Is there something you would like me to respond to?

Do you have a new question comment perhaps? The floor is yours, but be quick, this is a hot topic. :)

pshhh no

and im a big naughty fanboy nd just cant compete with them

Yeah I think so. I loved Crash on PS1 and I loved Jak on PS2. And now I love Uncharted on PS3

no. while they can produce very well polished games, they have yet to make a game as influential as Half Life, WoW, Baldurs Gate etc...Silenthps

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]no. while they can produce very well polished games, they have yet to make a game as influential as Half Life, WoW, Baldurs Gate etc...nhh18

The 3 Bs and valve are all above ND IMO. Until ND can release a game that pushes a genre forward and has a distinct impact on gaming, while constantly delivering AAA titles then imo they will just be a tier lower than these guys. I.D and epic could get up there but they aren't simply due to consistency, especially I.D they really only released meh games these past couple of years.

S-Tier (best of the best) for me of course is - The 3 Bs(Blizzard, Bioware, Bungie), Valve, Nintendo, Capcom, Rockstar

A- Tier - Here's where I would put ND, Santa Monica, GearBox, Ark Sys, Insomniac, Crytek, Epic, EA. Basically lots of quality games but nothing that pushes or influences genres.

I love how one game makes someone elite.

BioWare, Blizzard, Valve, Bungie, etc. have released NUMEROUS great titles.

Naughty Dog has only released good titles, with Uncharted 2 being great.

Why is bioware above naughty dog

Naughty Dog games have sod continually better than bioware. Besides, uncharted drakes fortune and jak X each game sold 3 million+. All their games score high and are franchises. Their last game was critically better received, and won more awards than bioware dragon age origins, or mass effect 2.

I love how one game makes someone elite.

BioWare, Blizzard, Valve, Bungie, etc. have released NUMEROUS great titles.

Naughty Dog has only released good titles, with Uncharted 2 being great.

ThePRAssassin

hmmm...They made the Crash, Jak, and Uncharted series. The only Big hitter was Uncharte 2 i think,so i will say no.

Personally Jak series>anything made by those devs. but it's just an opinion.

Why is bioware above naughty dog

Naughty Dog games have sod continually better than bioware. Besides, uncharted drakes fortune and jak X each game sold 3 million+. All their games score high and are franchises. Their last game was critically better received, and won more awards than bioware dragon age origins, or mass effect 2.

nhh18

Why are you only look at ND's best game? Compare track records and bioware is way above ND. Also not all ND's games are rated highly. Bioware's only dud was jade empire. Then of course there was Kotor and BG2.

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It's hilarious how you ignore all the replies that you can't rebut.

Persistantthug

I'm sorry,

But it is uterly impossible for me to answer everybody's submission here....I'm just 1 man.

I'll give you my attention right now, however......Is there something you would like me to respond to?

Do you have a new question comment perhaps? The floor is yours, but be quick, this is a hot topic. :)

You can read my first post in this thread and justify doing what I said you did.

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Why is bioware above naughty dog

Naughty Dog games have sod continually better than bioware. Besides, uncharted drakes fortune and jak X each game sold 3 million+. All their games score high and are franchises. Their last game was critically better received, and won more awards than bioware dragon age origins, or mass effect 2.

Espada12

Why are you only look at ND's best game? Compare track records and bioware is way above ND. Also not all ND's games are rated highly. Bioware's only dud was jade empire. Then of course there was Kotor and BG2.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=&cat=0&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=uncharted

Uncharted 2- 96.14

Uncharted 1- 89.64

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=&cat=0&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=Crash+Bandicoot

Crash Bandicoot-80.14

Crash Bandicoot 2-88.54

Crash Bandicoot 3-89.04

Crash Team Racing-91.73

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?search=Jak&numrev=3&site=

Jak-90.29

Jak 2-88.01

Jak 3- 85.16

That is some startling numbers for an average team developer. All their games rated around never winter nights, jade empire, and mass effect. I understand blizzard (WoW is the biggest game ever), and Valve (steam. and half life 2) but biowware has no right being next to these 2 developers.

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Why is bioware above naughty dog

Naughty Dog games have sod continually better than bioware. Besides, uncharted drakes fortune and jak X each game sold 3 million+. All their games score high and are franchises. Their last game was critically better received, and won more awards than bioware dragon age origins, or mass effect 2.

Espada12

Why are you only look at ND's best game? Compare track records and bioware is way above ND. Also not all ND's games are rated highly. Bioware's only dud was jade empire. Then of course there was Kotor and BG2.