Is Naughty Dog officialy = to Bioware, Blizzard, and Valve ELITENESS?

I'd say they are close to Valve level. They still have a way to go before achieving Bio and Blizzard level, like releasing AAA GOTY contenders year after year.

Gratz on emphasizing on the trivial (the freaking name) while completely neglecting what's IMPORTANT (content).

Hanass

Are you refering to this Hanass?

Ok...on Expansions:

I don't care how good said content of an expansion is. An expansion is an expansion is an expansion.

Best expansion in the ENTIRE world is still an expansion, as in not a full game.

take care.

[QUOTE="ThePRAssassin"]

I love how one game makes someone elite.

BioWare, Blizzard, Valve, Bungie, etc. have released NUMEROUS great titles.

Naughty Dog has only released good titles, with Uncharted 2 being great.

nhh18

Why is bioware above naughty dog

Naughty Dog games have sod continually better than bioware. Besides, uncharted drakes fortune and jak X each game sold 3 million+. All their games score high and are franchises. Their last game was critically better received, and won more awards than bioware dragon age origins, or mass effect 2.

nhh18

I liked CTR and Warped but that's about it, well, Jak series was also great. I guess they are close to the top.

no.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

Why is bioware above naughty dog

Naughty Dog games have sod continually better than bioware. Besides, uncharted drakes fortune and jak X each game sold 3 million+. All their games score high and are franchises. Their last game was critically better received, and won more awards than bioware dragon age origins, or mass effect 2.

nhh18

Why are you only look at ND's best game? Compare track records and bioware is way above ND. Also not all ND's games are rated highly. Bioware's only dud was jade empire. Then of course there was Kotor and BG2.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=&cat=0&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=uncharted

Uncharted 2- 96.14

Uncharted 1- 89.64

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=&cat=0&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=Crash+Bandicoot

Crash Bandicoot-80.14

Crash Bandicoot 2-88.54

Crash Bandicoot 3-89.04

Crash Team Racing-91.73

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?search=Jak&numrev=3&site=

Jak-90.29

Jak 2-88.01

Jak 3- 85.16

That is some startling numbers for an average team developer. All their games

True I did forget they didn't make alot of the games in their IPs but if you compare bioware

Dragon Age - 90%

Kotor - 94%

Neverwinter nights -89%

Baldur's gate - 92%

Baldur's gate: tales of the sword coast - 86%

Baldur's gate 2 - 94%

Baldur's gate: throne of bhaal - 88%

Mass effect - 91%

Mass effect 2 - 95%

Jade Empire -89%

MDK 2 -88%

MDK 2: Armageddon - 80%

Shattered steel - 72%.

Now you really think ND can hold a candle to this? Just look at how many different IPs even...

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="ThePRAssassin"]Crash Bandicoot, Crash bandicoot 2, crash bandicoot 3, and CTR. Jak 1, Jak 2, and Jak 3. Uncharted Drake Fortune, and Uncharted among thieves. When someone creates the 21st best selling franchise of all time, they are going to be mentioned in elite status.

princeofshapeir

Why is bioware above naughty dog

Naughty Dog games have sod continually better than bioware. Besides, uncharted drakes fortune and jak X each game sold 3 million+. All their games score high and are franchises. Their last game was critically better received, and won more awards than bioware dragon age origins, or mass effect 2.

nhh18

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

Gratz on emphasizing on the trivial (the freaking name) while completely neglecting what's IMPORTANT (content).

Persistantthug

Are you refering to this Hanass?

Ok...on Expansions:

I don't care how good said content of an expansion is. An expansion is an expansion is an expansion.

Best expansion in the ENTIRE world is still an expansion, as in not a full game.

take care.

God, people REALLY here need stop pull their faces out of their ass and look at the outside world for one second. This fallacy is so overused here it's getting ridiculous. Just because you don't care about something, doesn't mean it's void.

You can keep repeating what you're saying for the 6th time here, that doesn't make your fallacious reasoning right.

erm... come back when theyve released more than one trully outstanding game......

Relic > Blizzard, Bioware, and Valve IMO. Not sure about Naughty Dog though, they are probably tied with them.

I'd say yes, and personally I feel a lot of developers equal these so called 'elite developers' in terms of the quality of the games they produce. I love the fact that so many people have ignored your request of asking them to state a reason for their disagreement with you. Typical System Wars ignorance.king_bobo

I don't know. I mean you got to give them praise for Uncharted 2 but one successful game doesn't really equal the "eliteness" of Bioware, Blizzard, and Valve. Those guys have made lots of successful AAA type of franchises.

Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate, KOTOR series, Mass Effect, and the hotly anticipated Old Republic MMO. Bioware easily has a higher pedigree than ND. UC2 isn't comparable to the original KOTOR.princeofshapeir

princeofshapeir,

You are wrong on both counts, the first on "pedigree" and the second on "comparable to KOTOR". While you are wrong on both counts, you are more wrong on the second part.

Not only has Naughty Dog been making games longer than Bioware, but they have been selling uber well known games (Crash Bandicoot) since PS1. Do you not remember those funny Crash commercials, which pegged Crash Bandicoot as the Playstation 1's premere game at that time in the mid 90's? Obviously you've forgotten alot. Crash has gone on to sell over 40 million units, princeofshapeir. Indeed you've forgotten.

On the second part, you are more wrong because, Uncharted 2 is now on KOTOR's level. It may not have been a month ago, but today, with its 150 game awards and an AIAS GOTY, UNCHARTED 2 has cememted itself as one of the BEST games of all time.

True story.

**** yeah.

only If U3 is as good as U2. And they bring back JAK and that also as good as U2 then why not

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate, KOTOR series, Mass Effect, and the hotly anticipated Old Republic MMO. Bioware easily has a higher pedigree than ND. UC2 isn't comparable to the original KOTOR.Persistantthug

princeofshapeir,

You are wrong on both counts, the first on "pedigree" and the second on "comparable to KOTOR". While you are wrong on both counts, you are more wrong on the second part.

Not only has Naughty Dog been making games longer than Bioware, but they have been selling uber well known games (Crash Bandicoot) since PS1. Do you not remember those funny Crash commercials, which pegged Crash Bandicoot as the Playstation 1's premere game at that time in the mid 90's? Obviously you've forgotten alot. Crash has gone on to sell over 40 million units, princeofshapeir. Indeed you've forgotten.

On the second part, you are more wrong because, Uncharted 2 is now on KOTOR's level. It may not have been a month ago, but today, with its 150 game awards and an AIAS GOTY, UNCHARTED 2 has cememted itself as one of the BEST games of all time.

True story.

Blizzard and Nintendo are the IMO the top in the world. Bioware and Valve are high up too.... but Naughty Dog? If they are responsible for Crash Bandicootin the PSX era and Jak... then their reputation is stained.

I also thought the first Unchartedwas pretty boring.

I've only played two of Bioware's games. KotOR and Mass Effect. Played Half Life 2, Ep 1 + 2 and Portal. I dunno what I've missed if anything. From ND I've played UC1+2, Crash Bandicoot and Crash Team Racing. Yeah. I'd say that they're in my God Tier.

Naught dog hasn't made one bad, Bioware has lots of failures in their resume.

And all naughty dog game were technically impressive, unlike Blizzard that goes the technically easy route even if make good gameplay.

Crash Bandiccot 1,2,3 on the hands of Naughty Dog was better than Mario.

Crash team racing, is still at this time the best kart racing game ever, better than any mario kart ever.

The jak and daxter series were perfect, were only not as expetacular because of Rachet and Clank so they fighted for spotlight.

Uncharted 1 and 2 are masterpieces

considering the legacy they have I'd say they are equal, anyone who objectifies has not played; (past) crash, jak, and uncharted.

Rockstar>>>>>>>>>>all of the above.

So no, they didn't become elite like Rockstar.

but ND are better than valve and blizzard.

Relic > Blizzard, Bioware, and Valve IMO. Not sure about Naughty Dog though, they are probably tied with them.

RadecSupreme

You're just saying that because you obviously like warhammer :P

But seriously, relic is by and far the best RTS developer. They are very unappreciated in SW.

[QUOTE="Persistantthug"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate, KOTOR series, Mass Effect, and the hotly anticipated Old Republic MMO. Bioware easily has a higher pedigree than ND. UC2 isn't comparable to the original KOTOR.Cicatraz_ESP

princeofshapeir,

You are wrong on both counts, the first on "pedigree" and the second on "comparable to KOTOR". While you are wrong on both counts, you are more wrong on the second part.

Not only has Naughty Dog been making games longer than Bioware, but they have been selling uber well known games (Crash Bandicoot) since PS1. Do you not remember those funny Crash commercials, which pegged Crash Bandicoot as the Playstation 1's premere game at that time in the mid 90's? Obviously you've forgotten alot. Crash has gone on to sell over 40 million units, princeofshapeir. Indeed you've forgotten.

On the second part, you are more wrong because, Uncharted 2 is now on KOTOR's level. It may not have been a month ago, but today, with its 150 game awards and an AIAS GOTY, UNCHARTED 2 has cememted itself as one of the BEST games of all time.

True story.

Owned? That post pretty much shows how clueless his argument really is. Why do commercial numbers matter when we were discussing the critical reception? If that's the case the Harry Potter games = Crash.

_Pedro_

There's nothing clueless about it. I honestly don't care about sales, it was just 1 of the points I was making about Crash and Naughty Dog's Pedigree, to "cover all bases", if you will.

Crash was critically Acclaimed, well known, AND one of the best franchises of all time.

And oh yeah...it sold 40 million units. ;)

Naught dog hasn't made one bad, Bioware has lots of failures in their resume.

And all naughty dog game were technically impressive, unlike Blizzard that goes the technically easy route even if make good gameplay.

Crash Bandiccot 1,2,3 on the hands of Naughty Dog was better than Mario.

Crash team racing, is still at this time the best kart racing game ever, better than any mario kart ever.

The jak and daxter series were perfect, were only not as expetacular because of Rachet and Clank so they fighted for spotlight.

Uncharted 1 and 2 are masterpieces

ropumar

Their are three tiers between the elite teams. First Tier is Nintendo EAD, 2nd Tier is Blizzard, Valve, Maxis, and Rockstar games. And a 3rd tier with studios like Polyphony Digital, Bioware, Naughty Dog, Infinity Ward (possibly 2nd tier), Bungie, and Epic.

Crash Bandicoot, Jak and Daxter, and Uncharted.

Cool right?

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Why are you only look at ND's best game? Compare track records and bioware is way above ND. Also not all ND's games are rated highly. Bioware's only dud was jade empire. Then of course there was Kotor and BG2.

Espada12

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=&cat=0&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=uncharted

Uncharted 2- 96.14

Uncharted 1- 89.64

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=&cat=0&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=Crash+Bandicoot

Crash Bandicoot-80.14

Crash Bandicoot 2-88.54

Crash Bandicoot 3-89.04

Crash Team Racing-91.73

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?search=Jak&numrev=3&site=

Jak-90.29

Jak 2-88.01

Jak 3- 85.16

That is some startling numbers for an average team developer. All their games

True I did forget they didn't make alot of the games in their IPs but if you compare bioware

Dragon Age - 90%

Kotor - 94%

Neverwinter nights -89%

Baldur's gate - 92%

Baldur's gate: tales of the sword coast - 86%

Baldur's gate 2 - 94%

Baldur's gate: throne of bhaal - 88%

Mass effect - 91%

Mass effect 2 - 95%

Jade Empire -89%

MDK 2 -88%

MDK 2: Armageddon - 80%

Shattered steel - 72%.

Now you really think ND can hold a candle to this? Just look at how many different IPs even...

going by their track record with the original Crash bandicoot games (PS1) and their success with Jak and Daxter then this gen with Uncharted hell yeah they are up there.

I mean Crash on thePS1 was legendary until Vivevendi raped him and spun him off withspyro and throwing a load of new lackluster Crash games at us :(

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

Owned? That post pretty much shows how clueless his argument really is. Why do commercial numbers matter when we were discussing the critical reception? If that's the case the Harry Potter games = Crash.

Persistantthug

There's nothing clueless about it. I honestly don't care about sales, it was just 1 of the points I was making about Crash and Naughty Dog's Pedigree, to "cover all bases", if you will.

Crash was critically Acclaimed, well known, AND one of the best franchises of all time.

And oh yeah...it sold 40 million units. ;)

Well they have history, a good track record, and a shining jewel, so they're pretty high up there.

And I tied the poll :shock:

I would have to say yes, anyone who says no hasn't played the Uncharted series.

SonyIsh6Fotta

going by their track record with the original Crash bandicoot games (PS1) and their success with Jak and Daxter then this gen with Uncharted hell yeah they are up there.

I mean Crash on thePS1 was legendary until Vivevendi raped him and spun him off withspyro and throwing a load of new lackluster Crash games at us :(

razgriz_101

Noooooo Spyro :'(

[QUOTE="king_bobo"]I'd say yes, and personally I feel a lot of developers equal these so called 'elite developers' in terms of the quality of the games they produce. I love the fact that so many people have ignored your request of asking them to state a reason for their disagreement with you. Typical System Wars ignorance._Pedro_

Maybe not bioware or blizzard, because they're levels above everything else that's on PC. But equal to valve, probably, they're going downhill these days. And yes I just went there.

HAHAHA! By voting yes I have tied the poll!

Anyway, they've made Crash Bandicoot, Jak and Daxter, and the two Uncharted games. All fantastic games, I say give it to em. Though to be fair I might have to say Bioware is a cut above the rest. They've had what, ONE game that wasn't AAA? But it's close enough, and I'd say they're as good as Blizzard and Valve, so I voted yes.

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

Owned? That post pretty much shows how clueless his argument really is. Why do commercial numbers matter when we were discussing the critical reception? If that's the case the Harry Potter games = Crash.

Persistantthug

There's nothing clueless about it. I honestly don't care about sales, it was just 1 of the points I was making about Crash and Naughty Dog's Pedigree, to "cover all bases", if you will.

Crash was critically Acclaimed, well known, AND one of the best franchises of all time.

And oh yeah...it sold 40 million units. ;)

Maybe not bioware or blizzard, because they're levels above everything else that's on PC. But equal to valve, probably, they're going downhill these days. And yes I just went there.

PSdual_wielder

AIAS = OSCAR LOL

AIAS its a interactive game its all that means they only award interactive games

[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Maybe not bioware or blizzard, because they're levels above everything else that's on PC. But equal to valve, probably, they're going downhill these days. And yes I just went there.

ElTriforceo

I thought all the best stuff about half life 2 came in the middle. :|

If you honestly believe that the Jak series, Uncharted series and Crash Bandicoot are comparable to KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect, and Baldur's Gate, there's nothing left to be said. Just, wow.princeofshapeir

What I said was, rather, what I implied, is KOTOR is considered one of the greatest games of all time.

In case you haven't been up on video games lately, UNCHARTED 2 is also, even in its young state of only 4 months old, it is also considered one of the GREATEST games ever made.

Here...in case you have a hard time believing:

http://www.ign.com/decade/best-games-decade.html#comments_top?p=172&s=DESC

AIAS = OSCAR LOL

AIAS its a interactive game its all that means they only award interactive games

marcos27pr

Naughty Dog are one of my favourite developers, I've liked them since the Crash Bandicoot games on PS1. However, I don't they're as good as Bioware and Blizzard yet, Valve maybe. I do think they are on their way to becoming "elite" though.