Is Nintendo looking out for hardcore gamers?

Is Nintendo looking out for hardcore gamers after a few of their franchises launch (MP3, SMG)?

(I am going to use the word hardcore a lot in this post. Please keep in mind that a hardcore game is any game that targets a more mature audience and has deeper involved gameplay. Examples include Zleda:TP, Metroid Prime 3, and Super Mario Galaxy and any game with similar depth of gameplay as those)

I don't think they are. When the only more hardcore games for the system are a few 1st party games that everybody repeats 100 times a day, is Nintendo isn't looking out for its hardcore players, they decided just to focus on the causal. Third party devs aren't pick up the slack either, they don't want to try to compete against the few hardcore games that Nintendo has. Third party support has increased with the Wii yet we see very few real hardcore games for the Wii.

Nintendo hasen't come up with a new original series for along time. They just keep falling back to their big ones (Mario, Metroid, Zelda). How long are they going to keep this up? I mean the most hyped games for the Wii are MP3, SSMB, SMG. That is it. Where are the rest of the amazing 1st party titles? Simple answer is they don't have any.

Instead of focusing on new hardcore series, they keep adding sequels to their existing ones and make games like Wii Fit. This really is upsetting me seeing how back in the day they had so many great series. All of them have run their course, yet they keep milking them. Granted these games look promising, they still are the same games we have been playing for years. Nintendo hasn't really added to much.

Compare this to Sony and M$. Sony is adding games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, and Motorstorm. M$ is adding Gears of War, Too Human, Mass Effect, and Lost Odyssey. All of these are on top of long running series like MGS, FF, Halo, GT, Forza. Why can't Nintendo do the same? Instead they keep falling back to their old series and not come out with anything new and original.

This really upsets me that Nintendo is pretty much leaving hardcore gamers in the dust. The Wii is quickly become a secondary console to the others, which disappoints me on many levels.

I do not view the Wii as a primary gaming console.

Having said that, the Wii fills its role as a secondary distraction quite nicely.

I do not view the Wii as a primary gaming console.

Having said that, the Wii fills its role as a secondary distraction quite nicely.

jetthrovegas

Exactly. That is disapointing. Nintendo has always been a front runner. Sure they missed last gen, but they could have easily bounced back. Especially with the Wii-Mote. Yet they won't realize the value of online play or graphics and have turned what could have been the biggest innovation in gaming history into a secondary console. That is a shame.

No, they left us in the sand and shot us. Casuals are nintendos puppets now. dudy80

Last gen we saw a few games like Pikmin and Eternal Darkness and a bunch more hardcore games. Where are they? They are gone.

Fire Emblem and Battallion Wars 2 are pretty good IMO. BW 2 will get zero hype because its such a niche game for its own good. Fire Emblem while yes its a going to be a good game, its not a ground up Wii FireEmblem its a GC game ported to the Wii really.

Overall both of these will be AA. while the big 3 will be AAA.

And last gen Nintendo made Advance Wars/Battallion Wars, Pikmin,Animal Crossing, and brought back Metroid. Which they didnt make a single game for on 64.

This gen expect to see 2 new ips like Disaster and Project Hammer. Expect to see Pikmin, ANimal Crossing, Fzero, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Starfox, etc to have solid showings now. expect to see more of new ips as well since Miyamoto hinted at a new one for next year.jg4xchamp

You would think they would have shown those games off by now, or at least hinted at them. Instead they give us Wii Fit. It is clear that their focus is on the casual market and not on the hardcore.

[QUOTE="dudy80"]No, they left us in the sand and shot us. Casuals are nintendos puppets now. Wasdie

Last gen we saw a few games like Pikmin and Eternal Darkness and a bunch more hardcore games. Where are they? They are gone.

Thing i hate the most is not the direction they took, but how the overall quality has gone down in 10 years. I would rather see and pay 50 bucks for a 2d side scroller with the quality of super mario world then buy some of the stuff they make now.

I will buy a Wii if Chrono Trigger gets on the vc.

I'm also disappointed. I'm not trying to sound like a broken record here but.. Nintendo is shifting their target audience and not expanding it.dracula_16

I would be great if they focused on both audiences, not just one.

Fire Emblem and Battallion Wars 2 are pretty good IMO. BW 2 will get zero hype because its such a niche game for its own good. Fire Emblem while yes its a going to be a good game, its not a ground up Wii FireEmblem its a GC game ported to the Wii really.

Overall both of these will be AA. while the big 3 will be AAA.

And last gen Nintendo made Advance Wars/Battallion Wars, Pikmin,Animal Crossing, and brought back Metroid. Which they didnt make a single game for on 64.

This gen expect to see 2 new ips like Disaster and Project Hammer. Expect to see Pikmin, ANimal Crossing, Fzero, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Starfox, etc to have solid showings now. expect to see more of new ips as well since Miyamoto hinted at a new one for next year.jg4xchamp

:lol: You can't be serious! Why even try to defend Nintendo? They have changed their focus to casual gaming; you are grasping at the ashes of the old Nintendo.

The Wii cannot be considered a primary/serious gaming console. Period.

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]I'm also disappointed. I'm not trying to sound like a broken record here but.. Nintendo is shifting their target audience and not expanding it.Wasdie

I would be great if they focused on both audiences, not just one.

Some would say they are, but in the end there direction is horrid. Sure ms and sony are trying to make games for all. Nintendo took it a bit too far tho. Wii fits where yea gotta draw a line, thats still there big game. Its my opinion that nintendo go money hungry after last gens sales.

Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.coolviper2003

I think that you are sorely mistaken.

The fact that the Wii is alive and well does not mean that the hardcore market is dead; Nintendo is tapping a new market, Microsoft and Sony will continue to tap the old (hardcore) market, and they will make assloads of money in the process.

I've never liked Nintendo, but you ask me, they're the same now as they were before, it's the same old Nintendo. They saw a pontentially successful strategy and they took it, now it's repaying them big time.

And the casual thing, that's so stigmatized here, it's always been the gaming companies wet dream to catch the casuals, they don't need to catch the hardcore or long-time fans that they already have in their palms, companies have banished because they've failed to drag casuals to their side.

When the Playstation won by such great margin is when the casual term first came into full place, mainly to diminish it's success, and now it will be so for the Wii, but the casuals have always, alwaysgiven companies the win in every single generation.

Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.coolviper2003

If this happens i will switch to ebay and build a huge collection of old games. The future may change, but the past is forever. Like i said, id still gladly pay 50 bucks for quality 2d side scroolers if they have good length and story.

I know this sounds kinda weird, but...if Nintendo isn't targeting hardcore gamers, it's because hardcore gamers haven't targeted Nintendo in awhile. Think of the Gamecube. SW wouldn't be any happier with Nintendo if they had gone with the same strategy as last gen.
Either way, I think that Nintendo is doing plenty for hardcore gamers.Svarthek

Please explain how Nintendo is doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers.

Through online? No...

Through deep and involving new IP's? No...

Through better graphics? No...

Through better AI? No...

Through better (Stranglehold) physics? No...

Please, by all means explain exactly how they are doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers...

[QUOTE="Svarthek"]I know this sounds kinda weird, but...if Nintendo isn't targeting hardcore gamers, it's because hardcore gamers haven't targeted Nintendo in awhile. Think of the Gamecube. SW wouldn't be any happier with Nintendo if they had gone with the same strategy as last gen.
Either way, I think that Nintendo is doing plenty for hardcore gamers.jetthrovegas

Please explain how Nintendo is doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers.

Through online? No...

Through deep and involving new IP's? No...

Through better graphics? No...

Through better AI? No...

Through better (Stranglehold) physics? No...

Please, by all means explain exactly how they are doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers...

Its one less thing to buy.

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.jetthrovegas

I think that you are sorely mistaken.

The fact that the Wii is alive and well does not mean that the hardcore market is dead; Nintendo is tapping a new market, Microsoft and Sony will continue to tap the old (hardcore) market, and they will make assloads of money in the process.

Microsoft and Sony are losing money in their hardware, overcharging for their games, and they will realize the the potential and gold mine that is the Casual and non gamer. I'd be surprised if Microsoft makes another console after this gen. So much money has been lost, they're doing badly in Japan, and they have such a huge install base for PC's that they're probably better suited as a software only company.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Fire Emblem and Battallion Wars 2 are pretty good IMO. BW 2 will get zero hype because its such a niche game for its own good. Fire Emblem while yes its a going to be a good game, its not a ground up Wii FireEmblem its a GC game ported to the Wii really.

Overall both of these will be AA. while the big 3 will be AAA.

And last gen Nintendo made Advance Wars/Battallion Wars, Pikmin,Animal Crossing, and brought back Metroid. Which they didnt make a single game for on 64.

This gen expect to see 2 new ips like Disaster and Project Hammer. Expect to see Pikmin, ANimal Crossing, Fzero, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Starfox, etc to have solid showings now. expect to see more of new ips as well since Miyamoto hinted at a new one for next year.jetthrovegas

:lol: You can't be serious! Why even try to defend Nintendo? They have changed their focus to casual gaming; you are grasping at the ashes of the old Nintendo.

The Wii cannot be considered a primary/serious gaming console. Period.

I know this sounds kinda weird, but...if Nintendo isn't targeting hardcore gamers, it's because hardcore gamers haven't targeted Nintendo in awhile. Think of the Gamecube. SW wouldn't be any happier with Nintendo if they had gone with the same strategy as last gen.
Either way, I think that Nintendo is doing plenty for hardcore gamers.Svarthek

The difference between Nintendo last gen and this gen is the fact that they are content with showing endless montages of grandmothers loving the Wii and talking about sales. At e3, they spent more time talking about Wii fit than SSBB and MP3- that's a fact.

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Fire Emblem and Battallion Wars 2 are pretty good IMO. BW 2 will get zero hype because its such a niche game for its own good. Fire Emblem while yes its a going to be a good game, its not a ground up Wii FireEmblem its a GC game ported to the Wii really.

Overall both of these will be AA. while the big 3 will be AAA.

And last gen Nintendo made Advance Wars/Battallion Wars, Pikmin,Animal Crossing, and brought back Metroid. Which they didnt make a single game for on 64.

This gen expect to see 2 new ips like Disaster and Project Hammer. Expect to see Pikmin, ANimal Crossing, Fzero, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Starfox, etc to have solid showings now. expect to see more of new ips as well since Miyamoto hinted at a new one for next year.jg4xchamp

:lol: You can't be serious! Why even try to defend Nintendo? They have changed their focus to casual gaming; you are grasping at the ashes of the old Nintendo.

The Wii cannot be considered a primary/serious gaming console. Period.

Nintendo hasn't lost anything, but the hardcore gamers have lost Nintendo.

Nintendo Wii 2007

Metroid Prime 3 - August 27 - Thanks to Nintendo buying out developer Retro Studios, The Prime franchise was created last generation.

Battalion Wars 2 - October 29 - Brand new Nintendo IP from last gen

Endless Ocean - October 29 - Brand new IP to Nintendo

Fire Emblem: Godess of Dawn - November 5 - Old Nintendo IP

Super Mario Galaxy - November 12 - Old Nintendo IP

Super Smash Brothers: Brawl - December 3 IP from the N64 that is only on its 3rd GAME!!!

Nintendo Wii 2008

Mario Kart Wii - Old Nintendo IP

Wii Fit - Only true non-gamer game on this list

Disaster: Day of Crisis - Brand New Nintendo IP Thanks to Nintendo buying out Monolith Soft.

Kirby - Old Nintendo IP

Project H.A.M.M.E.R. Brand New Nintendo IP that has not been cancled but put on delay.
Animal Crossing - New Nintendo IP from last Gen

This is interesting. So far, I've seen many more people than average agreeing that Ninty has left hardcores in the dust. I don't know if people just weren't willing to accept that a few months ago, or if they're only now becoming convinced of it.Used to be a long and hard battle just to get a few posts like are already in this short thread. whoisryanmack

Depends on the time of the day. Really varries.

[QUOTE="Svarthek"]I know this sounds kinda weird, but...if Nintendo isn't targeting hardcore gamers, it's because hardcore gamers haven't targeted Nintendo in awhile. Think of the Gamecube. SW wouldn't be any happier with Nintendo if they had gone with the same strategy as last gen.
Either way, I think that Nintendo is doing plenty for hardcore gamers.jetthrovegas

Please explain how Nintendo is doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers.

Through online? No...

Through deep and involving new IP's? No...

Through better graphics? No...

Through better AI? No...

Through better (Stranglehold) physics? No...

Please, by all means explain exactly how they are doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers...

[QUOTE="Svarthek"]I know this sounds kinda weird, but...if Nintendo isn't targeting hardcore gamers, it's because hardcore gamers haven't targeted Nintendo in awhile. Think of the Gamecube. SW wouldn't be any happier with Nintendo if they had gone with the same strategy as last gen.
Either way, I think that Nintendo is doing plenty for hardcore gamers.jetthrovegas

Please explain how Nintendo is doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers.

Through online? No...

Through deep and involving new IP's? No...

Through better graphics? No...

Through better AI? No...

Through better (Stranglehold) physics? No...

Please, by all means explain exactly how they are doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers...

This is interesting. So far, I've seen many more people than average agreeing that Ninty has left hardcores in the dust. I don't know if people just weren't willing to accept that a few months ago, or if they're only now becoming convinced of it.Used to be a long and hard battle just to get a few posts like are already in this short thread. whoisryanmack

oh... the battle is not over ;) I thought I would keep you all on your toes xD

Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.coolviper2003

That would be horrible.

Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.coolviper2003

Sadly I have to agree with you. Nintendo has ruined the market. Fanboys can tell me all they want how crap like Cooking Mama, Wii Fit, etc brings in money to fund more hardcore games, but the fact is, Nintendo doesn't want more hardcore games and with them winning by using this strategy you know MS and Sony will follow suit. So next-gen expect to see a lot less action games, adventures, FPS, RPGs and just tons of mini-game comps, cooking sims and crap like that.

Me, I'll become a PC fanboy, at least there will always be a place for hardcore gaming there.

what makes a hardcore gamer explain it to me fps or somethin

I've never liked Nintendo, but you ask me, they're the same now as they were before, it's the same old Nintendo. They saw a pontentially successful strategy and they took it, now it's repaying them big time.

And the casual thing, that's so stigmatized here, it's always been the gaming companies wet dream to catch the casuals, they don't need to catch the hardcore or long-time fans that they already have in their palms, companies have banished because they've failed to drag casuals to their side.

When the Playstation won by such great margin is when the casual term first came into full place, mainly to diminish it's success, and now it will be so for the Wii, but the casuals have always, alwaysgiven companies the win in every single generation.

Panzer_Zwei

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Svarthek"]I know this sounds kinda weird, but...if Nintendo isn't targeting hardcore gamers, it's because hardcore gamers haven't targeted Nintendo in awhile. Think of the Gamecube. SW wouldn't be any happier with Nintendo if they had gone with the same strategy as last gen.
Either way, I think that Nintendo is doing plenty for hardcore gamers.jg4xchamp

Please explain how Nintendo is doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers.

Through online? No...

Through deep and involving new IP's? No...

Through better graphics? No...

Through better AI? No...

Through better (Stranglehold) physics? No...

Please, by all means explain exactly how they are doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers...

Same old, same old. Where are the new franchises for the hardcore? No where to be found because Nintendo would rather make Wii Fit.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Fire Emblem and Battallion Wars 2 are pretty good IMO. BW 2 will get zero hype because its such a niche game for its own good. Fire Emblem while yes its a going to be a good game, its not a ground up Wii FireEmblem its a GC game ported to the Wii really.

Overall both of these will be AA. while the big 3 will be AAA.

And last gen Nintendo made Advance Wars/Battallion Wars, Pikmin,Animal Crossing, and brought back Metroid. Which they didnt make a single game for on 64.

This gen expect to see 2 new ips like Disaster and Project Hammer. Expect to see Pikmin, ANimal Crossing, Fzero, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Starfox, etc to have solid showings now. expect to see more of new ips as well since Miyamoto hinted at a new one for next year.jetthrovegas

:lol: You can't be serious! Why even try to defend Nintendo? They have changed their focus to casual gaming; you are grasping at the ashes of the old Nintendo.

The Wii cannot be considered a primary/serious gaming console. Period.

Nintendo hasn't lost anything, but the hardcore gamers have lost Nintendo.

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.tomarlyn

That would be horrible.

[QUOTE="Svarthek"]I know this sounds kinda weird, but...if Nintendo isn't targeting hardcore gamers, it's because hardcore gamers haven't targeted Nintendo in awhile. Think of the Gamecube. SW wouldn't be any happier with Nintendo if they had gone with the same strategy as last gen.
Either way, I think that Nintendo is doing plenty for hardcore gamers.jetthrovegas

Please explain how Nintendo is doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers.

Through online? No...

Through deep and involving new IP's? No...

Through better graphics? No...

Through better AI? No...

Through better (Stranglehold) physics? No...

Please, by all means explain exactly how they are doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers...

all those NOs and still Nintendo is making a lot of profit...Priceless

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Svarthek"]I know this sounds kinda weird, but...if Nintendo isn't targeting hardcore gamers, it's because hardcore gamers haven't targeted Nintendo in awhile. Think of the Gamecube. SW wouldn't be any happier with Nintendo if they had gone with the same strategy as last gen.
Either way, I think that Nintendo is doing plenty for hardcore gamers.Gamer46

Please explain how Nintendo is doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers.

Through online? No...

Through deep and involving new IP's? No...

Through better graphics? No...

Through better AI? No...

Through better (Stranglehold) physics? No...

Please, by all means explain exactly how they are doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers...

Same old, same old. Where are the new franchises for the hardcore? No where to be found because Nintendo would rather make Wii Fit.

*cough* fan boy*cough*

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Svarthek"]I know this sounds kinda weird, but...if Nintendo isn't targeting hardcore gamers, it's because hardcore gamers haven't targeted Nintendo in awhile. Think of the Gamecube. SW wouldn't be any happier with Nintendo if they had gone with the same strategy as last gen.
Either way, I think that Nintendo is doing plenty for hardcore gamers.Gamer46

Please explain how Nintendo is doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers.

Through online? No...

Through deep and involving new IP's? No...

Through better graphics? No...

Through better AI? No...

Through better (Stranglehold) physics? No...

Please, by all means explain exactly how they are doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers...

Same old, same old. Where are the new franchises for the hardcore? No where to be found because Nintendo would rather make Wii Fit.

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.Gamer46

Sadly I have to agree with you. Nintendo has ruined the market. Fanboys can tell me all they want how crap like Cooking Mama, Wii Fit, etc brings in money to fund more hardcore games, but the fact is, Nintendo doesn't want more hardcore games and with them winning by using this strategy you know MS and Sony will follow suit. So next-gen expect to see a lot less action games, adventures, FPS, RPGs and just tons of mini-game comps, cooking sims and crap like that.

Me, I'll become a PC fanboy, at least there will always be a place for hardcore gaming there.

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.Gamer46

Sadly I have to agree with you. Nintendo has ruined the market. Fanboys can tell me all they want how crap like Cooking Mama, Wii Fit, etc brings in money to fund more hardcore games, but the fact is, Nintendo doesn't want more hardcore games and with them winning by using this strategy you know MS and Sony will follow suit. So next-gen expect to see a lot less action games, adventures, FPS, RPGs and just tons of mini-game comps, cooking sims and crap like that.

Me, I'll become a PC fanboy, at least there will always be a place for hardcore gaming there.

Cooking Mama sold less than 50,000 units! Big Brain Acadamy: Wii Degree sold less than 150,000 units! Super Paper Mario sold 700,000, Zelda for Wii sold 2,000,000 not including the Gamecube version. If nintendo sees that their "hardcore" titles are selling, they will never stop creating them and making more IPs like Pikmin, Disaster, HAMMER, Battalion Wars, and more.

(these sales figures are in America only)

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Svarthek"]I know this sounds kinda weird, but...if Nintendo isn't targeting hardcore gamers, it's because hardcore gamers haven't targeted Nintendo in awhile. Think of the Gamecube. SW wouldn't be any happier with Nintendo if they had gone with the same strategy as last gen.
Either way, I think that Nintendo is doing plenty for hardcore gamers.Gamer46

Please explain how Nintendo is doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers.

Through online? No...

Through deep and involving new IP's? No...

Through better graphics? No...

Through better AI? No...

Through better (Stranglehold) physics? No...

Please, by all means explain exactly how they are doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers...

Same old, same old. Where are the new franchises for the hardcore? No where to be found because Nintendo would rather make Wii Fit.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Svarthek"]I know this sounds kinda weird, but...if Nintendo isn't targeting hardcore gamers, it's because hardcore gamers haven't targeted Nintendo in awhile. Think of the Gamecube. SW wouldn't be any happier with Nintendo if they had gone with the same strategy as last gen.
Either way, I think that Nintendo is doing plenty for hardcore gamers.jg4xchamp

Please explain how Nintendo is doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers.

Through online? No...

Through deep and involving new IP's? No...

Through better graphics? No...

Through better AI? No...

Through better (Stranglehold) physics? No...

Please, by all means explain exactly how they are doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers...

Same old, same old. Where are the new franchises for the hardcore? No where to be found because Nintendo would rather make Wii Fit.

Last I heard Disaster and Project Hammer are on the backburner so more casual crap can be made. Endless Ocean I don't know much about, so I'll give you that one. And why mention AC, BW, and Pikmin? I'm not talking about GC I'm talking about Wii. And with the way Miyamoto has been talking lately like his ramblings at GDC, I'm sure his new ip will be nothing more than non-gamer crap. Something along the lines of Wii Fit.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"]

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]Nope, I think you're going to see a shift in direction when it comes to consles. There is a lot more money in the casual market. Sure Nintendo will still release Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games to keep the hardcore crowd, but it's obvious their main focus is not on the hardcore. I think Sony and Microsoft will take note and I predict this will be the last gen for consoles as we know it. I think they're going be more casual driven next gen.kansasdude2009

Sadly I have to agree with you. Nintendo has ruined the market. Fanboys can tell me all they want how crap like Cooking Mama, Wii Fit, etc brings in money to fund more hardcore games, but the fact is, Nintendo doesn't want more hardcore games and with them winning by using this strategy you know MS and Sony will follow suit. So next-gen expect to see a lot less action games, adventures, FPS, RPGs and just tons of mini-game comps, cooking sims and crap like that.

Me, I'll become a PC fanboy, at least there will always be a place for hardcore gaming there.

Cooking Mama sold less than 50,000 units! Big Brain Acadamy: Wii Degree sold less than 150,000 units! Super Paper Mario sold 700,000, Zelda for Wii sold 2,000,000 not including the Gamecube version. If nintendo sees that their "hardcore" titles are selling, they will never stop creating them and making more IPs like Pikmin, Disaster, HAMMER, Battalion Wars, and more.

(these sales figures are in America only)

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Svarthek"]I know this sounds kinda weird, but...if Nintendo isn't targeting hardcore gamers, it's because hardcore gamers haven't targeted Nintendo in awhile. Think of the Gamecube. SW wouldn't be any happier with Nintendo if they had gone with the same strategy as last gen.
Either way, I think that Nintendo is doing plenty for hardcore gamers.Gamer46

Please explain how Nintendo is doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers.

Through online? No...

Through deep and involving new IP's? No...

Through better graphics? No...

Through better AI? No...

Through better (Stranglehold) physics? No...

Please, by all means explain exactly how they are doing "plenty" for hardcore gamers...

Same old, same old. Where are the new franchises for the hardcore? No where to be found because Nintendo would rather make Wii Fit.

Last I heard Disaster and Project Hammer are on the backburner so more casual crap can be made. Endless Ocean I don't know much about, so I'll give you that one. And why mention AC, BW, and Pikmin? I'm not talking about GC I'm talking about Wii. And with the way Miyamoto has been talking lately like his ramblings at GDC, I'm sure his new ip will be nothing more than non-gamer crap. Something along the lines of Wii Fit.

All the scared lemkids and cowpokes in here LOL. wow nintendo has over 10 hardcore franchioses. disaster hammer and ocean are new. god this is hilariousV-a-i-z-a-r-d

so y u have a wii