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#101 flashn00b
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DX11&2010...enuff said. whats going to be new in the console market in 2010 other than games? Crickets..................

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DX11 doesn't necessarily meanthat the developers will switch to PC. Most developers are still using DirectX 9.0c. Heck, DX10 didn't do so much justice.

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#102 aaronmullan
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Nah, it's the biggest and best gaming system around.
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#103 washd123
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[QUOTE="Myzz617"]

DX11&2010...enuff said. whats going to be new in the console market in 2010 other than games? Crickets..................

flashn00b

DX11 doesn't necessarily meanthat the developers will switch to PC. Most developers are still using DirectX 9.0c. Heck, DX10 didn't do so much justice.

because developers werent willing to leave stingy people not willing to swtich out i nthe dust. if more poeple had adopted DX10 wed see a true DX10 game and everything would have been better. DX11 looks to succeed where dx10 failed since its a smaller transition

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#104 kunal1092000
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There is no way...Just alone the RPG market such as, WoW is keeping PC alive with something like 12 million suscribers.

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#105 Stancel_Spencer
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It's been dying for a while now.

Consoles surpassed the PC in graphics (and by that I am referring to most PCs, not gaming PCs , which are really expensive). Gaming PCs cost a lot , but consoles are a lot less expensive.

I do think however that the mods aspect to PC gaming was something I always liked. The user community's mods. On consoles you really can only download the developer's mods.

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#106 washd123
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It's been dying for a while now.

Consoles surpassed the PC in graphics (and by that I am referring to most PCs, not gaming PCs , which are really expensive). Gaming PCs cost a lot , but consoles are a lot less expensive.

I do think however that the mods aspect to PC gaming was something I always liked. The user community's mods. On consoles you really can only download the developer's mods.

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#107 kunal1092000
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[QUOTE="Stancel_Spencer"]

It's been dying for a while now.

Consoles surpassed the PC in graphics (and by that I am referring to most PCs, not gaming PCs , which are really expensive). Gaming PCs cost a lot , but consoles are a lot less expensive.

I do think however that the mods aspect to PC gaming was something I always liked. The user community's mods. On consoles you really can only download the developer's mods.

washd123

I hate how you bring up Gaming PCs cost a lot more than consoles, but you forget you can do your life's work on there like writing a essay for school, doing your banking, checking your credit card bills, and so on. Whereas a console goes pretty much obsolete after a couple of years, since a new console comes out. Also, they charge you for every map pack that comes out or add-ons in consoles. I can spend 60 dollars on say COD 4 for PC and you can pay 60 dollars for COD 4 on Xbox 360 and you will get charged for every map pack/add-ons of other sorts that come out for it. While, I'll have 130 community created maps for free plus the map packs for free. The possibilities for a game are endless granted the developer allows it. You'll get bored of COD 4 eventually due to the lack of new material and move-on to the next hyped-up gamefaster than I would spend my 60 dollars on a new game. Last of all, I don't even have to go out to buy a game because I can just DL it from home via Steam and back it up to a DVD.

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#108 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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^^^^ You can do all those "life's work" things on a netbook. or an even cheaper e-machines desktop
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#109 Meowmixxvi
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[QUOTE="Stancel_Spencer"]

It's been dying for a while now.

Consoles surpassed the PC in graphics (and by that I am referring to most PCs, not gaming PCs , which are really expensive). Gaming PCs cost a lot , but consoles are a lot less expensive.

I do think however that the mods aspect to PC gaming was something I always liked. The user community's mods. On consoles you really can only download the developer's mods.

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#110 kunal1092000
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^^^^ You can do all those "life's work" things on a netbook. or an even cheaper e-machines desktopJandurin

Just saying I'm adding to the value of a Gaming PC.

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#111 washd123
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^^^^ You can do all those "life's work" things on a netbook. or an even cheaper e-machines desktopJandurin

which is an added cost to the consoles.

and even ignoring all that and just talking gaming console gaming is still more expensive.

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#112 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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and even ignoring all that and just talking gaming console gaming is still more expensive.

washd123
What are you talking about?

Just saying I'm adding to the value of a Gaming PC.

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Yeah, PCs are definitely useful things.
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#113 washd123
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[QUOTE="washd123"]

and even ignoring all that and just talking gaming console gaming is still more expensive.

Jandurin

What are you talking about?

Just saying I'm adding to the value of a Gaming PC.

kunal1092000

Yeah, PCs are definitely useful things.

point for point it costs more to own a console in the long run than a pc .

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#114 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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point for point it costs more to own a console in the long run than a pc .

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No, it doesn't.
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#115 MangaJ
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Well, the nintendo ds is cheaper than all the other consoles. Does that mean it's better?

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#116 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Well, the nintendo ds is cheaper than all the other consoles. Does that mean it's better?

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it's a handheld, and it is better than the PSP, which it's cheaper than
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#117 MangaJ
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[QUOTE="MangaJugs"]

Well, the nintendo ds is cheaper than all the other consoles. Does that mean it's better?

Jandurin

it's a handheld, and it is better than the PSP, which it's cheaper than

So does its portability mean that it shouldn't be judged with the other consoles? In that case, what about a gaming laptop?

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#118 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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So does its portability mean that it shouldn't be judged with the other consoles? In that case, what about a gaming laptop?

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You went from cheapest to most expensive?
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#119 washd123
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[QUOTE="washd123"]

point for point it costs more to own a console in the long run than a pc .

Jandurin

No, it doesn't.

for the same visual quality and experience in the long run consoles are more expensive.

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#120 RyuRanVII
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PC gaming is dead! Here's the proof: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27047914
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#121 lowe0
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You could even graduate from consoles to PC 1080pOnly
Ah, gimme some of that ol'-time elitisim. :roll:

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#122 washd123
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[QUOTE="1080pOnly"]You could even graduate from consoles to PC lowe0

Ah, gimme some of that ol'-time elitisim. :roll:

oh be quiet bob seager

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#123 Dweedleking5000
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PC gaming died when securom was put onto every disc. COnsole is alive and well. anyone who says otherwise is a idiot deserveing if intense cruel unmerciful exposure to the most horrifying thing ever.... A crooked Car salesmen.
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#124 z4twenny
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we hear this all the time. pc gaming isn't dying, it's stronger than ever.

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#125 AnnoyedDragon
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PC gaming died when securom was put onto every disc.Dweedleking5000

People outside of PC gaming shouldn't comment on things they don't know about. Of course extreme exaggeration of things people know nothing about has traditionally been how they criticise PC gaming.

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#126 rjxtian
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I don't think PC gaming is dying. Heck, Helen wants to buy one of my spare Computers just to use for gaming.

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#127 scarface_dm
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Inever play pc games andhave yet to meet a hardcore pc gamer , If this way of gaming dies I for one wouldnt care.....

the only game I own or seriously played for pc is Age of Empires2 lol

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#128 dc337
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Inever play pc games andhave yet to meet a hardcore pc gamer , If this way of gaming dies I for one wouldnt care.....

the only game I own or seriously played for pc is Age of Empires2 lol

scarface_dm

That's another problem that pc gaming faces. There's a generational gap when it comes to system building/modding. It's a cycle that feeds on itself since games that require a gaming pc are less likely to get retail space which encourages new gamers to buy console and igpu friendly pc games.

One upside is that a lot more pc games are being designed as laptop friendly which is great for those of us that game on the road.

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#129 crozon
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hmmm shattered horizon says hi. oh if you haven't hear of it you will soon. playing the beta and omg.
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#130 AnnoyedDragon
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Most console gamers don't seem to realize how much of an important role PC gaming plays in the market.

For one if it wasn't for PC the current generation consoles wouldn't have gotten their shiny new graphics cards this generation. ATI and Nvidia brand gaming GPUs, without PC gaming there wouldn't be a need for either of these companies to research better gaming orientated hardware. There wouldn't be an audience to demand and fund the next generation of GPU, therefore gaming orientated graphics technology wouldn't have a need to improve between console generations.

Nvidia and ATI would only have to concern themselves with workstation GPUs and GPU computing. The GPUs consoles could get hold of would be missing out on half a decade or more of consumer demand encouraging advancement, the jumps each generation wouldn't be anywhere near as big.

Not forgetting that PC is responsible for many developers existing in the first place. You cannot compete in mainstreaming gaming off the bat, developers need a place to grow until they can move on to bigger and better games that would catch the mainstreams interest. Console companies cannot care less about these developers until they make a name for themselves, in the meantime they grow as a company on the only open gaming platform that wouldn't take a cut of their already limited income.

360 in particular owes many of its big games to companies that grew up on PC and Mac, Bungie and Epic Games being the two most noteworthy.

It amazes me that any console gamer can say they don't care what happens to PC gaming, surly they are speaking from ignorance.

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#131 Patatopan
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No, as a matter of fact, pc gaming is the strongest gaming platform out of any others. Don't let all of the commercialism get to your head about that.

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#132 Yankees718
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No, as a matter of fact, pc gaming is the strongest gaming platform out of any others. Don't let all of the commercialism get to your head about that.

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Which is why developers like Bungie are going crazy to develop their games for PC?
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#133 AnnoyedDragon
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Which is why developers like Bungie are going crazy to develop their games for PC?Yankees718

Flawed argument, Microsoft bought Bungie and hence dictated what platforms they have been able to develop on throughout the entire time xbox users have known them.

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#134 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Patatopan"]

No, as a matter of fact, pc gaming is the strongest gaming platform out of any others. Don't let all of the commercialism get to your head about that.

Yankees718
Which is why developers like Bungie are going crazy to develop their games for PC?

Perhaps they are behind the scenes, but Microsoft; since they hold the rights to Halo, are limiting their ability to do so.
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[QUOTE="Yankees718"]Which is why developers like Bungie are going crazy to develop their games for PC?AnnoyedDragon

Flawed argument, Microsoft bought Bungie and hence dictated what platforms they have been able to develop on throughout the entire time xbox users have known them.

Do you really need to answer to somebody that asks such a question :lol: ?

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[QUOTE="Yankees718"]Which is why developers like Bungie are going crazy to develop their games for PC?AnnoyedDragon

Flawed argument, Microsoft bought Bungie and hence dictated what platforms they have been able to develop on throughout the entire time xbox users have known them.

Which is why i hear so many people say "M$".....yet if they really were after money they would put it on PC.
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#137 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Yankees718"] Which is why i hear so many people say "M$".....yet if they really were after money they would put it on PC.

You're assuming that the ammount of money that they would lose in competition wouldn't outride the benefits of releasing it on the PC. They don't get as much return on investment if they release it on PC as they do 360.
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#138 AnnoyedDragon
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Do you really need to answer to somebody that asks such a question :lol: ?

Mograine

You would be surprised what some people on here would believe if they didn't have the facts shoved into their face. Take his recent post, ignoring the fact that Halo 1 & 2 did in fact hit PC. The only reason why Halo 3 hasn't hit PC is probably increased competition from Sony, Microsoft needs every exclusive they can get.

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#139 Trmpt
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Most console gamers don't seem to realize how much of an important role PC gaming plays in the market.

For one if it wasn't for PC the current generation consoles wouldn't have gotten their shiny new graphics cards this generation. ATI and Nvidia brand gaming GPUs, without PC gaming there wouldn't be a need for either of these companies to research better gaming orientated hardware. There wouldn't be an audience to demand and fund the next generation of GPU, therefore gaming orientated graphics technology wouldn't have a need to improve between console generations.

AnnoyedDragon

One word........hollywood.

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#140 Vandalvideo
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One word........hollywood.Trmpt
Gaming GPUs and workbench GPUs are most assuredly not the same thing.
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#141 Trmpt
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[QUOTE="Trmpt"]One word........hollywood.Vandalvideo
Gaming GPUs and workbench GPUs are most assuredly not the same thing.

I was referring to how they both are progressive. in terms of computing technology.
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#142 dgsag
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[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="Yankees718"]Which is why developers like Bungie are going crazy to develop their games for PC?Yankees718

Flawed argument, Microsoft bought Bungie and hence dictated what platforms they have been able to develop on throughout the entire time xbox users have known them.

Which is why i hear so many people say "M$".....yet if they really were after money they would put it on PC.

The reason they don't put out PC products is because they know german gamers will buy the PC version in bulk and never get a foothold in that country with the 360.
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#143 EvanTheGamer
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PC Gaming has beenirrelevant to the gaming industry since early 2000, I guess that does make it dead in a way.

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#144 JangoWuzHere
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PC Gaming has beenirrelevant to the gaming industry since early 2000, I guess that does make it dead in a way.

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Explain how it is irrelevant. Im pretty sure PC gaming was not dead when a game like Half Life 2 came out.
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#145 mo0ksi
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PC Gaming has beenirrelevant to the gaming industry since early 2000, I guess that does make it dead in a way.

EvanTheGamer
Most def. I mean, Deus Ex? Who cared? Really? And it's not like World of Warcraft or Half Life 2 were anything to boast about either. And that other game, Company of Heroes? Just another crappy game from a crappy developer, right? Oh wait...
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#146 washd123
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Trmpt"]One word........hollywood.Trmpt
Gaming GPUs and workbench GPUs are most assuredly not the same thing.

I was referring to how they both are progressive. in terms of computing technology.

theyre still two different types of progression used for different things. in terms of gaming the only reason technology advances is due to the pc. however theres really been only one game to push the tech in the last two years which is why the progression has been so slow (renaming old gpus, ect) lately. if theoretically pc gaming were to fall off the face of the earth both those companies would lose billions resulting in a possible collapse. say goodbye to any tech advancement of any kind. i hope youd be happy with linear levels and blurry textures.

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#147 mayforcebeyou
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don't forget mmos thats where pc gaming is at and all those good games from the past that still are a lot of fun. It's not all about the grpahic pushing games even when hermit's always brag about it.
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#148 Santesyu
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I think pc gaming is dying very slowly.... so slow you probably wouldn't notice unless you look at it very very closely..but the average naked eye wouldn't see it.

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#149 PublicNuisance
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[QUOTE="Patatopan"]

No, as a matter of fact, pc gaming is the strongest gaming platform out of any others. Don't let all of the commercialism get to your head about that.

Yankees718

Which is why developers like Bungie are going crazy to develop their games for PC?

I don't see Bungie making games for PS3 or Wii, does that mean they are dying ?

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#150 dc337
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There wouldn't be an audience to demand and fund the next generation of GPU, therefore gaming orientated graphics technology wouldn't have a need to improve between console generations.

Nvidia and ATI would only have to concern themselves with workstation GPUs and GPU computing. AnnoyedDragon

The end of the Nvidia/ATI will slow but won't end gpu research. MS and Sony will continue to invest in r&d in all areas of console development. I could care less actually if console graphics remain at the current level for another 5 years. It isn't like the ps2 which looked jaggy and blocky compared to pc games. I played Crysis maxed and it didn't make me think about how consoles need an upgrade. It was more gee whiz that looks pretty but it is't as fun as I was expecting given the amount of hype it got.

The Nvidia/ATI war has already gotten out of hand. They're currently building video cards for games that don't exist. PC gamers don't buy enough games to justify 20 million dollar budgets that push pc hardware. It's a much safer investment to make a multiplat.

I've played pc games since I was a kid and I say good riddance to the gpu war. Too much of my money has gone to video cards that had to be dumped so I could play the latest game on decent settings. I say bring on the tech freeze, there isn't a single pc or xbox game coming out in the next year that I feel needs a graphical upgrade.