Is PC gaming dying?

It's the most played platform globally.

Including the US.

More developers are working on the PC than anything else.

Digital distribution is rapidly increasing.

In what sense is it dead?

In what sense is it dying?

In what sense can you consider the health of PC gaming anything other than excellent and expansionary?

In what sense can you consider the health of PC gaming anything other than excellent and expansionary?

Danm_999

Talk about whether or not PC gaming will die or not!

And now for my opinion:

I'm honestly not too sure whether or not it will die or not. The PC has some games that are worth looking forward to, such as Wolfenstein, Left 4 Dead 2, Crysis 2, and Resident Evil 5, but PC gamers are still gonna miss out on Final Fantasy XIII, Gears of War 2, Fable 2, and that untitled Castlevania project. Yeah, i'm honestly not too sure if the PC community will stay strong in the next years, or if i should expect to a console version of Garry's Mod.

flashn00b

The end of the Nvidia/ATI will slow but won't end gpu research. MS and Sony will continue to invest in r&d in all areas of console development.

I could care less actually if console graphics remain at the current level for another 5 years. It isn't like the ps2 which looked jaggy and blocky compared to pc games. I played Crysis maxed and it didn't make me think about how consoles need an upgrade. It was more gee whiz that looks pretty but it is't as fun as I was expecting given the amount of hype it got.

dc337

In response to the first part, no amount of R&D on the console companies part is going to compare to the what consumer demand and funding produces. Console companies would invest what they can afford and when they need it, nothing compared to several generations justified by PC gaming.

Second part is subjective opinion.

The Nvidia/ATI war has already gotten out of hand. They're currently building video cards for games that don't exist. PC gamers don't buy enough games to justify 20 million dollar budgets that push pc hardware. It's a much safer investment to make a multiplat.

dc337

No one buys enough games to justify $20 million budgets, hence why nearly all the 3rd party console games have gone cross platform as well. The only reason consoles are getting high budget exclusives right now is because the console companies need to differentiate their game selection at any cost.

Nvidia and ATI are just following the natural progress of hardware, it is the condition of the market that has resulted in little to no games to take advantage of that hardware. In the long term cross platform orientation, in other words console limitation, is going to have a knock on effect on the type of hardware available to consoles next generation. I doubt Nvidia and ATI are going to rely on cross platform games to sell these mega GPUs; so they will likely fund their own justifications (e.g. Nvidia with PhysX).

I've played pc games since I was a kid and I say good riddance to the gpu war. Too much of my money has gone to video cards that had to be dumped so I could play the latest game on decent settings. I say bring on the tech freeze, there isn't a single pc or xbox game coming out in the next year that I feel needs a graphical upgrade.

dc337

Despite your involvement in PC; you are console biased and orientated, I wouldn't expect you to have the same attitude towards upgrading as a PC gamer who actually likes the platform.

The PC community is extremely strong. It's not going anywhere.

A console version of Garry's Mod would be pretty funny, though.

Cherokee_Jack

I only really thought about this in the start of 2009, when i thought that the only good PC game of that year was Street Fighter IV. At that point, i felt that PC gaming is gonna die and that the PC desperately needs Final Fantasy XIII, even if it requires you to log into Steam, GFW-L, and some online service thrown at us all at the same time.

I only really thought about this in the start of 2009, when i thought that the only good PC game of that year was Street Fighter IV.

flashn00b

[QUOTE="flashn00b"]

I only really thought about this in the start of 2009, when i thought that the only good PC game of that year was Street Fighter IV.

Jandurin

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

In what sense can you consider the health of PC gaming anything other than excellent and expansionary?

dc337

all that applies to the consoles as well yet youd be crazy to say theyre dying.

they all have

1.fewer true exclusives meant to push system power

2.less diversity in the exclusives all are either FPS or sports/racing

3.traditional console developers are going multiplat

4.well the sports genre has always been dead on the pc unless you count stat games if anything its picked up lately with 2k support.

5. most of the growth in gaming in general has been more casual

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

In what sense can you consider the health of PC gaming anything other than excellent and expansionary?

dc337

I've had this discussion with you before and all you do is shift the goalposts.

When I mention games like ARMA 2, Empire Total War and Project Offset pushing the graphical envelope, you jump to a lack of genre diversity.

When I count the diversity of genres to GameSpot's AAAE/AAE games, it exceeded any other system, you jump to lack of traditional PC developers.

When I note traditional console developers moving towards the PC (Square, Capcom, Konami) you go on about game delays.

I've had this discussion before, it's unmanageable.

It's the most played platform globally.

Including the US.

More developers are working on the PC than anything else.

Digital distribution is rapidly increasing.

In what sense is it dead?

In what sense is it dying?

In what sense can you consider the health of PC gaming anything other than excellent and expansionary?

Danm_999

...and that's a wrap folks!

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

In what sense can you consider the health of PC gaming anything other than excellent and expansionary?

dc337

Yeah you never see RPG's (Risen), Shooters (AvP), MMO's (Aion), Platformers (Trine), Console only fighting games (SF4 with enhancements), Racing (Dirt2 in DX11).

PC Gaming is so dead :roll:

Is PC gaming dying?

YES, since 1998. :P

many gamespotters might think its dying, but thats because the PC is easily the most misinformed gaming platform out of all of them.

if youre able to look passed the misinformation and fanboy lies, then everyone can easily see that PC gaming is not dying

if youre able to look passed the misinformation and fanboy lies, then everyone can easily see that PC gaming is not dying

Noverech

[QUOTE="Noverech"]if youre able to look passed the misinformation and fanboy lies, then everyone can easily see that PC gaming is not dying

Danm_999

Steam and its ever growing list of titles and developers tells me all is well. DD is monstrous on PC but the figures rarely ever get counted. PC is dead at retail however, I think that's where console only fanboys get confused.

Folks, just because a game isn't in a shop doesn't mean it sold badly on PC.

When I note traditional console developers moving towards the PC (Square, Capcom, Konami) you go on about game delays.

Danm_999

Correction: Just Capcom's just moving towards the PC. What exactly is Konami gonna do for the PC after MGS:R?

The only current generation Square-Enix games i can think of are FFXIV and Last Remnant. Now if they are to make singleplayer JRPGs (other than TLR)on the PC, then i might agree with you.

Don't get the wrong idea. I still enjoy the PC as a gaming platform.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="Noverech"]if youre able to look passed the misinformation and fanboy lies, then everyone can easily see that PC gaming is not dying

1080pOnly

Steam and its ever growing list of titles and developers tells me all is well. DD is monstrous on PC but the figures rarely ever get counted. PC is dead at retail however, I think that's where console only fanboys get confused.

Folks, just because a game isn't in a shop doesn't mean it sold badly on PC.

well, according to Wardell who runs Impulse, Walmart still sells more copies of Sins of a Solar Empire then his own DD service. a lot more.

http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1203

Good read either way.

Correction: Just Capcom's just moving towards the PC. What exactly is Konami gonna do for the PC after MGS:R?

flashn00b

Have they announced what they are going to do for PS3/360 after MGSR? I expect they are just going to aim to be more cross platform with their future major titles.

The only current generation Square-Enix games i can think of are FFXIV and Last Remnant. Now if they are to make singleplayer JRPGs (other than TLR)on the PC, then i might agree with you.

Don't get the wrong idea. I still enjoy the PC as a gaming platform.

flashn00b

They're publishing a PC RTS and have said they want to bring more games to Steam, so they are gradually doing stuff for PC.

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well, according to Wardell who runs Impulse, Walmart still sells more copies of Sins of a Solar Empire then his own DD service. a lot more.

http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1203

Good read either way.

mismajor99

PC gaming, happily dying since 1999

Guybrush_3

this.

Keep on declaring it dead, trolls.

i want want to know is, why dose MS not bring forza to PC???? i dont see any reason for them not to

i wanna see an actual sim racing game take full advantage of all that processing power that pcs have!!!

Hopefully, Blizzard could make a difference in this whole "PC is gaming" argument with Diablo 3.

Correction: Just Capcom's just moving towards the PC.

flashn00b

no, and neither console or PC gaming will die anytime soon.

[QUOTE="flashn00b"]

Correction: Just Capcom's just moving towards the PC.

AdrianWerner

i want want to know is, why dose MS not bring forza to PC???? i dont see any reason for them not to

i wanna see an actual sim racing game take full advantage of all that processing power that pcs have!!!

Appule70

they wont becuase they need exclusives to sell 360s. that and the competition on the pc would rip forza 3 to shreads. its the same reason they delayed alan wake its the same reason halo3 and ODST arent on the pc

[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Gaming GPUs and workbench GPUs are most assuredly not the same thing.washd123

theyre still two different types of progression used for different things. in terms of gaming the only reason technology advances is due to the pc. however theres really been only one game to push the tech in the last two years which is why the progression has been so slow (renaming old gpus, ect) lately. if theoretically pc gaming were to fall off the face of the earth both those companies would lose billions resulting in a possible collapse. say goodbye to any tech advancement of any kind. i hope youd be happy with linear levels and blurry textures.

That has been said before; I'll make my point again, if PC gaming dropped off the face of the earth it wouldnt mean the end of graphics advancement at all. Why? The movie industry pours millions into cgi, they want advancement just as much as the video game industry.

That has been said before; I'll make my point again, if PC gaming dropped off the face of the earth it wouldnt mean the end of graphics advancement at all. Why? The movie industry pours millions into cgi, they want advancement just as much as the video game industry.Trmpt

[QUOTE="Appule70"]

i want want to know is, why dose MS not bring forza to PC???? i dont see any reason for them not to

i wanna see an actual sim racing game take full advantage of all that processing power that pcs have!!!

washd123

they wont becuase they need exclusives to sell 360s. that and the competition on the pc would rip forza 3 to shreads. its the same reason they delayed alan wake its the same reason halo3 and ODST arent on the pc

What are you talking about, "competition on the PC"?

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]That has been said before; I'll make my point again, if PC gaming dropped off the face of the earth it wouldnt mean the end of graphics advancement at all. Why? The movie industry pours millions into cgi, they want advancement just as much as the video game industry.Vandalvideo

I've said this before and I'll say it again; the workbench GPUs championed by the movie industry are not at all conducive to video games. They are too expensive and the technology isn't great for gaming. Yes, there would be a huge blowback on console graphics if the PC industry sank.

Maybe I have to make myself clear, if every type of video game ceases to exist.........the movie industry would still want advancement.

And thank you for proving my point.

That has been said before; I'll make my point again, if PC gaming dropped off the face of the earth it wouldnt mean the end of graphics advancement at all. Why? The movie industry pours millions into cgi, they want advancement just as much as the video game industry.

Trmpt

This is a gaming GPU, this is a workstation GPU, they are not the same.

Workstation GPUs are bad for gaming, you cannot simply take the R&D for workstation GPUs and match development as if there was demand for gaming GPUs.

Maybe I have to make myself clear, if every type of video game ceases to exist.........the movie industry would still want advancement.And thank you for proving my point.Trmpt

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]That has been said before; I'll make my point again, if PC gaming dropped off the face of the earth it wouldnt mean the end of graphics advancement at all. Why? The movie industry pours millions into cgi, they want advancement just as much as the video game industry.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] so scale it down and guess what! end user cards!Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Trmpt"]That has been said before; I'll make my point again, if PC gaming dropped off the face of the earth it wouldnt mean the end of graphics advancement at all. Why? The movie industry pours millions into cgi, they want advancement just as much as the video game industry.savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] I've said this before and I'll say it again; the workbench GPUs championed by the movie industry are not at all conducive to video games. They are too expensive and the technology isn't great for gaming. Yes, there would be a huge blowback on console graphics if the PC industry sank.Trmpt

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Holy crap! Someone sees what I am saying. If all but workstation GPU's ceased to advanced for say.......10 years, all they would have to do is take the advancements of the workstation GPU and reduce it so it can be bought by the public.

Vandalvideo

And, I repeat myself, that would be counterproductive, because workstation GPUs don't work all that great with games. Advancements in workstation GPUs will not advance console side graphics.

It would if that is all they had to work with, which is what I am trying to say.

They would figure out a way to make it commercially viable to put them into PCs by turning the workstation GPUs in 2020 (taking into account that GPU's stopped advancing in 2009) into a much cheaper form. The graphics that you would get would be no where near what it is capable of though because they do have to reduce costs.

It would if that is all they had to work with, which is what I am trying to say. They would figure out a way to make it commercially viable to put them into PCs by turning the workstation GPUs in 2020 (taking into account that GPU's stopped advancing in 2009) into a much cheaper form. The graphics that you would get would be no where near what it is capable of though because they do have to reduce costs.Trmpt

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]It would if that is all they had to work with, which is what I am trying to say. They would figure out a way to make it commercially viable to put them into PCs by turning the workstation GPUs in 2020 (taking into account that GPU's stopped advancing in 2009) into a much cheaper form. The graphics that you would get would be no where near what it is capable of though because they do have to reduce costs.

Vandalvideo

Dont you think that they would be able to take that workstation gpu and re-engineer it so it can be used for other purposes?

Dont you think that they would be able to take that workstation gpu and re-engineer it so it can be used for other purposes?Trmpt

Dont you think that they would be able to take that workstation gpu and re-engineer it so it can be used for other purposes?

Trmpt

You think even if they could; it would be comparable to the ongoing R&D funded and demanded by PC gaming?

That has been said before; I'll make my point again, if PC gaming dropped off the face of the earth it wouldnt mean the end of graphics advancement at all. Why? The movie industry pours millions into cgi, they want advancement just as much as the video game industry.

Trmpt

Uhhh no. The vast majority of movie CGI is done with render farms. And almost all render farms are CPU based due to running them through VNC. If nvidia or ATI had to depend on the movie industry they would go bankrupt in a year because Pixar certainly doesn't do any rendering through Fire GLs or Quadros. Intel on the other hand would be fine. Next time research first, spout nonsense later.

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Dont you think that they would be able to take that workstation gpu and re-engineer it so it can be used for other purposes?

AnnoyedDragon

You think even if they could; it would be comparable to the ongoing R&D funded and demanded by PC gaming?

I guess you could look at how much the cgi in movies have improved over the years to get an idea of how much the games graphics would improve.

In the end, I dont want this kind of situation to happen anyways because the graphics always need to improve; I dont want to have to wait 10 or 15 years.