Is PC gaming that much cheaper?

Well there's your problem, sell them yourself or at least use ebay/amazon.

Thankfully I keep all my games because I know if a game will be good just by research at this point.

In UK

Console, lets use Ps4 as the example

Cost of ps4 console £319 (with no games cheapest model you can get)

10 games at £40 (I've lowered the price by about £10 per game to factor in possible discounts and sales) totals £400

PSN sub £40 (lowered price to factor in getting it on the cheap

total £759

Now PC

build that out performs consoles £620 - you wouldn't need to upgrade this generation to at least beat console performance

That leaves £140 for more than 10 games, that can be done.

To be fair, at the 10 game point the price is similar, however at this price point your getting better hardware with PC.

steam has free weekends for selected titles along with a sale for said game. That may count as a "rental" in terms of trying before buying.

Actually thats even worse.

@Heartagram_03: True, but you can't always predict when they'll happen.

Not really. Publishers and studios have themselves to blame.

Code activation was made a long time ago to fight piracy. Latter it translated to online activation. However, we know to this day that these DRM mechanics don't work at all.

Instead, what they do is make it impossible for pc gamers to trade, sell and rent copies out freely, like console gamers.

Therefore, using cracks and torrented games to, in the very least, rent out a game while still paying in other ways, is perfectly fine.

I've done it before, and in fact, has i said many times in the past, i've a pirated, drm free copy of all games that i bought on PC. I don't distribute, but should something happen to Steam offline mode or should i lose my account for whatver reason, i should keep the games i payed money for.

@deadline-zero0: You said "Pirate then rent". Neither of which is a good idea as the publisher/dev get no money at all.

old console games are generally not as cheap as old pc games, for under $5 each I bought saints row 4, skyrim, hitman absolution, tomb raider and max payne 3, pretty sure that is cheaper than what they would be on consoles.

I personally don't get into the whole moronic "herm, cow, peasant etc" thing that goes around in these forums, I have been a console gamer my whole life, have owned every console imaginable(even stuff like neo geo and jaguar) but I bought a pc for work purposes and discovered how much cheaper pc games are which is why I tend to buy for pc a lot more than I buy for consoles.

Don't rental companies pay for the copies, so that they can rent them out? Publishers still get money.

Obviously, you can just wait for when the game is at a price that you find acceptable to match rental pricing.

Its the same as used games, well worse actually as the rental companies buy vast lots at reduced prices then rent them out to thousands of people.

Trade in your games? You mean get price gouged for your games by Gamestop which turns around and sells it for slightly less than a brand new copy? All while having a huge impact on game devs because they are receiving no money what so ever from a purchase that is almost full retail? Pc gaming is how ever cheap or expensive you want it to be..

Yeah,i forgot they get cuts for mass ordering.

Yes, because you can pirate everything, even the OS! Thats the reason hermits never put windows on the list when trying to compare the Console vs PC initial cost.

PC is for poor people and the main reason why they are so popular in third world countries.

Gaming is not for poor people.....

kinda my point here, people get so butthurt for even questioning this

You don't have to go to gamestop, and you can pay of other games with trading in games

This is the same thing I think when even PC gamers start talking larger initial investment but ignoring performance gaps. Sony and MS are not loss-leading this time around. I was spec'ing $500-600 complete builds around 7790 and 7850/7870 at the beginning of this gen. 2yrs in those same systems would still beat a XO or PS4 in a majority of multiplats. Tress 1 vs 2 being the only exception.

TC brought up can a PC from back then play games like 360 that plays FC4. I popped a 6670 into a c2d 2.6GHz and 4GB DDR2-800 and yes, it can beat 360 and that card was $70. Over the whole gen with dealing with RROD and Live fees I'm sure dropping $150 for a SSD, 2GB RAM, and a new GPU won't kill anyone.

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The argument that software makes up hardware disparities is a last-gen fallacy and if anyone would like I will demonstrate consoles are not exemplary bang-for-buck devices, and rather exist solely off providing a safe-haven console-experience to consumers. Apple style.

LOL, are you really disagreeing with my point when talking about pirating yourself?

Bullshit. Most builds I see have Windows included.

You'll never see a consolite admit that they have to pay $40-50/yr to access the other half of their games. "PS4 is only $400 where you gonna get value like that!" Let's ignore 7yrs x $40/yr = $280 and we're at $680 just for a basic system that isn't even backwards compatible. lol. Fucking ripoff.

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Not everyone needs to pay for Windows, either. I purchased XP in 2003 and legally rolled it into 3 new builds, then followed with a $40 student upgrade to Win7 which MS ok'd and I have rolled into new builds as well. I am on a decade-old license for Windows and have invested no more than $140 into it.

Sounds like a completely standard way to handle the windows costs. Im sure everyone in the world would agree. :rolls eyes:

I cannot agree more with this. With Windows 10 being free to W7/8.1 users you will have transitioned through five generations of OSes for only $140.

@thegreatgeneral: I never said anything about pirating Windows. And my example pointed out that you should pay for games because it's the right thing to do.

Pirating them is only a way to bypass bullshit DRM.

Stay salty

Calling customer service and requesting a license transfer? So hard to be on the phone for 10min or submit my college email to ms.

Guess how I handle online subscription fees to play online? I don't because I don't pay. I have a choice because PC is backed by a large enough contingency to reject fees like that.

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Just by not wanting to, by sheer force of will, I am saving money and legally receiving new iterations of Windows and partaking in the communal rites of passage of hardcore PC gaming overlords for less money than the console peasants.

You are salty enough for the both of us, so no need for me to be.

Btw. pirating windows was just a small part of my post and lol at the excuses.

@gamecubepad: Why make it so hard on yourself when you can just pirate windows like the rest of the hermits?

Edit: Actually your first reply was already a goal moving.

I don't need to pirate Windows Brah.

And yet you still do, jk

You like to pretend, and I'm ok with that. thegreatgeneral in his new fantasy RPG, A Salt in the Eye Bowl. It's gonna have cutscenes and qte and dlc it will be fab. Preorder now for $5 and get unlocks for advantage in online play!

You seem to be crying out to many other users, but we can't understand what you're saying bro! Try to make some sense at least and respond with more than self-deprecating one liners and spin. :0

prove I pirate...

We? Who are we?

And are you really this much of a illiterate dumbass that you dont get how you moved the goal post? Just because you are upgrading for cheap because with a student upgrade, it means **** all if you compare the initial costs of Consoles vs. PC. You latched onto the point without even understanding it. Not to mention that I already said a PC is ideal for poor bastards, as you can you pirate everything.

Now go away, its not fun debating with a salty hermit.

Its not fun debating with someone who makes shit up as they go along...

@clyde46: Like?

By insinuating that every hermit is a pirate.

Every hermit IS a pirate.

Hand on heart, you never pirated anything in your whole life? No, quick mp3 download? No, nothing?

No download of a game to see how it runs etc....?

Hasty generalization.

It's like a mill now.

This type of thread will probably come up again in the next 2 months.

Myself and everyone else who you are spewing vitriol at. You've got nothing as your claim that hermits exclude the cost of Windows and pirate Windows is bullshit.

Furthermore, you could never prove such a ludicrous claim in the first place. Keep on trollin'! Show me some price-to-performance-game library comparisons and we'll see if it's even necessary to pirate in the first place since PC gaming is so affordable compared to consoles. Thank you based Gaben!

@lundy86_4: So, Im wrong? The cheap hermits that hunt for 2$ steam sales or play mostly F2P games while a great part of the PC community which is allocated in poorer parts of the world, is not pirating? If you truly believe this, I can only laugh at you.

****, even steam restricts their russian presence to the rest of the world because the hermits want to exploit the weak ruble.

Go to any torrent site and see for yourself. I cant count how many times hermits told me how they pirate games just to buy them later on for a few bucks while bragging about how amazing games sell on steam.

Why do you think Consoles make more money for publishers?

All hail, Caesar!

Its not necessary to pirate games on either plattforms.

But nothing is more affordable than free.

Im sure all the photoshop users on the net did buy the software for a 1000$ or so too....

I still dont get why the hermits in this thread are so damn butthurt over my initial post. I just agreed what hermits were bragging about for years.

Edit: @bldgirsh: All hail, cupcake!

Holy conspiracy, Batman!

Why do you think Consoles make more money for publishers?

Name a single platform that makes more money than PC...

So if PC has higher overall revenue then how can consoles make more money for pubs and devs? Unless of course we're talking AAA cas trash from Acti, EA, and 2K.

Glory days of consoles are gone it's a sad den of thieves with out-dated hardware, fees and nickel-and-diming around every corner. Sounds like masochism.

And I beat you pirate to lol

So right, Pirates are free, yohoho.

But we were talking about revenue right? PC is king! Let the Freemium reign supreme. Hats for everyone or even better buy an ingame "legendary" axe in diablo III for a few hundert bucks. Maybe donate some money to some WOW twitch streamer? What I am even talking about right now LOL and Dota ingame purchases are the greatest thing, they make billions and its worth every cent!

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@DarthRamms: No, Im neither underage, nor poor.

You used a hasty generalization fallacy. There was no need for a long-winded reply.

Make the claim with hard data, or just don't make the claim.

Trading in games lol

Trade in value is pretty weak on titles. With PC gaming it's a ton cheaper and you get to actually keep your games. Forever. It's a no brainer really. I picked up Dying Light day one for $30. You simply can't get anything close to that on consoles.

@thegreatgeneral:

Let's see your gaming library if your so above piracy that you never downloaded a song or movie before.

Its impossible to prove and thats what hermits are always using as their as last line of defence, like you just now did.

I heard the same defence 10 years ago when publishers and developers were crying over pirates on PC and Im hearing the same bullshit now.

Oxymoronic by default.

How we are supposed to perceive your open admission of self-contradiction is the magic that fuels trolls everywhere. Tell me how sarcastic you are. How I am missing your masterful slights and deep insight. Do dig yourself deeper.

So you are not above piracy? What was the last game you pirated?

If it's impossible to prove, then you shouldn't make the claim. You can say that people do pirate, as there is data to support the claim. You cannot state that every Hermit pirates... You don't have any data to back that up.

Whelp, that's the end of your education for today. Class dismissed.