It's over, Crysis 2 on 360 is sub hd confirmed.

A game with 720 vertical lines.

Here's a bigger question? What do we call GT5's 1080p resolution (1280x1080) Almost Full HD? You see how stupid this sub HD nonsense is?

It's even worse with the fact that almost all modern HDTV have fixed pixel ratios.

CorbraMax

sub HD and running at 30fps... :lol:

I understand Call Duty games being sub HD cus you know, they are 60fps but a game like Crysis 2 that it's supposed to be a graphical beast running at sub HD even though the game's 30fps, come on! There goes lemming's graphic king. :roll:

I knew a multiplat game couldn't look better than a PS3 exclusive like Killzone 3. 8)

Gue1

Let this be a lesson to everyon.... Read the thread before you post, lest you end up looking like this poster... Now, you think you will pay attention to what has been said in the last 30 posts?

sub HD and running at 30fps... :lol:

I understand Call Duty games being sub HD cus you know, they are 60fps but a game like Crysis 2 that it's supposed to be a graphical beast running at sub HD even though the game's 30fps, come on! There goes lemming's graphic king. :roll:

I knew a multiplat game couldn't look better than a PS3 exclusive like Killzone 3. 8)

Gue1

Well neither, COD or Killzone 3 aren't using realtime Global Illumination which is taxing to the hardware. Let's see if the PS3 version can keep a true 720p resolution. The lighting was alreadymore advanced than Killzone 3

it is 1080p since there are 1080 progressive lines that is 1080p! the term not to be associated with 1280x1080 is "Full HD" which is. 1920x1080sts106mat

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] it is 1080p since there are 1080 progressive lines that is 1080p! the term not to be associated with 1280x1080 is "Full HD" which is. 1920x1080Orchid87

What is 1920x480?

Full Standard Kinda There HD?

lol You know this stuff is funny.

DigitalFoundry facts > clueless fanboys from this board,its 720p deal with it.Tessellation

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]DigitalFoundry facts > clueless fanboys from this board,its 720p deal with it.Orchid87

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] it is 1080p since there are 1080 progressive lines that is 1080p! the term not to be associated with 1280x1080 is "Full HD" which is. 1920x1080Orchid87

The ATSC definition actually only specifies 1080 progressive lines, but the assumption that a 16:9 pixel ratio would be maintained, requiring 1920 horizontal pixels... However, that is not a definitive specification within the ATSC guidelines. For example,H.264/MPEG4 AVC ATSC codecs have a certified resolution of a 1440x1080 as an option if doing 4:3 pixel aspect ratio.

[QUOTE="Orchid87"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] it is 1080p since there are 1080 progressive lines that is 1080p! the term not to be associated with 1280x1080 is "Full HD" which is. 1920x1080sts106mat

The ATSC definition actually only specifies 1080 progressive lines, but the assumption that a 16:9 pixel ratio would be maintained, requiring 1920 horizontal pixels... However, that is not a definitive specification within the ATSC guidelines. For example,H.264/MPEG4 AVC ATSC codecs have a certified resolution of a 1440x1080 as an option if doing 4:3 pixel aspect ratio.

KingsMessenger

Orchid87,

I have a question for you

Tekken 6 = 1024x576 w/motion blur, 1365x768 w/o motion blur (no AA)

Tekken 6 on Xbox 360 with motion blur on is 1024x576... Obviously, what we call around here "Sub HD".

Now here's the tricky part...

What do you call it's rendering mode with motion blur off at 1365x768?

Shame for people that care, I guess.

I could get this for the PC, and play it at settings far beyond those of either console. But since I'd rather play with my buddies and ogle pixels under a microscope, I think I'll still grab this for the 360.

Sweet jesus!!! Its 128 horizontal pixles away from being 720p!?!?!?

Gather the fanboys quick! We must duscuss that how good a game looks is dertined by NUMBERS AND NUMBERS ONLY!!!

Crysis 2 may never be graphics king because Killzone 2 has 92,160 more pixles! So suck it Crytek, you cant develop games get out of the buisness, you sicken us.

Give me a break, if you look about half the multiplats on this list are below 1280x720 resolution, some by quite a margin.

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]The ATSC definition actually only specifies 1080 progressive lines, but the assumption that a 16:9 pixel ratio would be maintained, requiring 1920 horizontal pixels... However, that is not a definitive specification within the ATSC guidelines. For example,H.264/MPEG4 AVC ATSC codecs have a certified resolution of a 1440x1080 as an option if doing 4:3 pixel aspect ratio.

Orchid87

The ATSC is only accounting for television broadcast standards in terms of aspect ratio. There is NO reason that a game has to be at 16:9 aspect ratio. Hence, the ATSC definition is poorly suited to defining what is the strict terminology for gaming. For gaming, 720 progressive lines = 720p. Just because it has some bizarre aspect ratio does not mean anything... Say for example, a developer deciding to stick to a 4:3 aspect ratio because it is more claustrophobic and confined. A purely artistic decision made to impact the player experience. Rendering at 4:3 resolution, there is no "720p" configuration directly outlined by the ATSC, but that doesn't change the fact that in the strictest sense of the term you are actually producing a 720p image(720 progressive lines). End of story.

Orchid87,

I have a question for you

Tekken 6 = 1024x576 w/motion blur, 1365x768 w/o motion blur (no AA)

Tekken 6 on Xbox 360 with motion blur on is 1024x576... Obviously, what we call around here "Sub HD".

Now here's the tricky part...

What do you call it's rendering mode with motion blur off at 1365x768?

CorbraMax

Also, I want to point out that if you are going by ATSC standards then 1080p isn't even an actually defined standard... To follow ATSC guidelines, you have to describe it as 1080p24 or 1080p30 or 1080p50 or 1080p60... But, given the fact that games have variable framerates, not a single game on the market adheres to the strict ATSC guidelines. So no game is "720p" or "1080p" according to the ATSC...

[QUOTE="CorbraMax"]

Orchid87,

I have a question for you

Tekken 6 = 1024x576 w/motion blur, 1365x768 w/o motion blur (no AA)

Tekken 6 on Xbox 360 with motion blur on is 1024x576... Obviously, what we call around here "Sub HD".

Now here's the tricky part...

What do you call it's rendering mode with motion blur off at 1365x768?

Orchid87

Where did you get that 66 number from? Beyond 3D lists it at 1365.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

The ATSC is only accounting for television broadcast standards in terms of aspect ratio. There is NO reason that a game has to be at 16:9 aspect ratio. KingsMessenger

Hence, the ATSC definition is poorly suited to defining what is the strict terminology for gaming.KingsMessenger

Why do people use ATSC terms then?

Why do people use ATSC terms then?

Orchid87

Because it is convenient and has to do entirely with the standards set in television broadcasting and movies... Those are fixed format and constant data-rate though... Gaming has no such distinctions or standards. It is merely easier to say 720p or 1080p when referring to resolution than it is to type out the full resolution... Under strict definitions NO games adhere to the ATSC guidelines, they merely provide a model for easy terminology that can be readily understood.

Where did you get that 66 number from? Beyond 3D lists it at 1365.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

CorbraMax

If Tekken 6 is really 1365 then it uses a crazy non-standard resolution. I've never seen a res which is not dividable by 2.

Why do people use ATSC terms then?Orchid87

Because it is convenient and has to do entirely with the standards set in television broadcasting and movies... Those are fixed format and constant data-rate though... Gaming has no such distinctions or standards. It is merely easier to say 720p or 1080p when referring to resolution than it is to type out the full resolution... Under strict definitions NO games adhere to the ATSC guidelines, they merely provide a model for easy terminology that can be readily understood.KingsMessenger

This is why we should of had new consoles by now.

Tired of Sub HD, blurry graphics, pop in, long loads and laggy online.

The console transmits a signal which is 1280x720. As far as I know TVs cannot be sent a 1152x720 signal over HDMI. Therefore, the image was upscaled before leaving the consloe. Therefore it's not HD.

From wikipedia:

720p is the shorthand name for a category of HDTV video modes having a resolution of 1280×720 (for a total of 0.92 megapixels or 921,600 pixels)

Tessellation

A poorly worded entry that later clarifies that it specifically refers to the number of progressive lines...

Also, regardless of what the signal is transmitted at, the actual rendering of a game is not strictly limited to any particular aspect ratio and thus not limited to the ATSC definition which is horrible for defining the standards within gaming.

If we were going by the signal coming out of the system then every game would be 1080p since upscaling is rather common.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="dakan45"]Well, thats mp, everything is toned down on mp.poorfamz

What's over? GeneralShowzer

Everything!

Crysis 2 will flop because of this, didn't you know? A game just isn't worth playing unless it has 921,600 pixels or more.Its not about fun anymore, no no no.Video gamers have been fooled for too long! It's time for the truth,the enjoyment you get from a game is mesured in gigaflops, bandwidth and resolution.

[QUOTE="Orchid87"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] googled ATSC is a set of standards developed by the Advanced Television Systems Committee for digital television transmission over terrestrial, cable, and satellite networks.sts106mat

A poorly worded entry that later clarifies that it specifically refers to the number of progressive lines...

Also, regardless of what the signal is transmitted at, the actual rendering of a game is not strictly limited to any particular aspect ratio and thus not limited to the ATSC definition which is horrible for defining the standards within gaming.

If we were going by the signal coming out of the system then every game would be 1080p since upscaling is rather common.

KingsMessenger

720 vertical lines in widescreen ratio

720p HD (1280×720 progressive @50 & 60 Hz)

1080i HD (1920×1080 interlaced @50 & 60 Hz)

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1080p HD (1920×1080 progressive @24, 50 & 60 Hz)

Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_ready_1080p

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Fom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC_Standards

The high definition television standards defined by the ATSC produce wide screen 16:9 images up to 1920×1080 pixels in size

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]What's over? D1zzyCriminal

Everything!

Crysis 2 will flop because of this, didn't you know? A game just isn't worth playing unless it has 921,600 pixels or more.Its not about fun anymore, no no no.Video gamers have been fooled for too long! It's time for the truth,the enjoyment you get from a gameis mesured in gigaflops, bandwidthand resolution.

I demand a compensation for those 128 pixels.

if the problem is the eDram, then the Ps3 version will be even worse than the 360's

I'm going to play crysis 2 @ 800x600 just to spite all of you. I'll go play crysis at that right now just to get immediate satisfaction.

It's off by 128 pixels?!?!?!!?!? OMG END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!!!! If you really care about graphics this much, ditch the consoles and grab a pc. Also, this is basically a beta, plenty of time for them to improve itFunconsole

Actually is far worst

Universe collapse in 3 .... 2..... 1.....