Japan > West, not an opinion, a mere fact.

Gamers are obsessed with having choices in their games, having open ended sandbox games that fit the bill of Fallout 3 and Skyrim. These games don't have the creativity and passion that games like Bayonetta and Catherine have.

Many Japanese games are wacky and inventive, whereas lots of Western games just rip of movies.

Call of Duty - Apocalypse Now, Enemy at the Gates, Fight Club, Terminator 2 etc...

Uncharted - Indiana Jones, Lawrence of Arabia etc...

Dragon Age Origins - Lord of the Rings etc...

Mass Effect - The Bladerunner, Star Wars etc...

Now if you just look at games like Mario & Bayonetta. Tell me what movies they rip off ?

Western games may be a few steps ahead in terms of popularity and technology, but Japan will allways be ahead in terms of creativity.

ITT: weeaboos rejoice.

Rip-off or not they are still more fun to play.

Wackiness is a tradition that pervades their culture.

American mainstream games are obsessed with a Renaissance-type mentality where everything has to be as "realistic" as possible.

In contrast, Japan takes pride in their wackiness and tries to deliberately flaunt it.

Sometimes it works (Nintendo)...other times it doesn't (niche stuff).

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I would have to side with American games just because they try and push the limits of gaming, while Japanese games like to try and push the limits of insanity.

I agree completely. Western games are bland and formulaic by comparrison.

the japanese games that have western style (not trying hard to be weird-lots of movie gimmicky stuff) are the best of them though. unless its the 90s

EDITTTyeah lol guy above 90s thing. a nice rpg isnt the same as a game based on cutting toenails, before the Pleather sock turns you into a school-girl

*In before the hate.....

On point, ya....All four of your are complete Right. All the people who by western games are wrong. It not like japan is in a massive hole with game now and Square enix only game that made profit that is not a remake this year is Western game. All the Japanese game should be flying off the shelves with out dated game play they just spluerg out..../Sarcasm

Have fun living in your box, in your special world where up is down.:P

Edit:Bayonetta, Demon souls and dark souls are the only great things to come out of Japan this gen.

If it hadn't been for all that Western radioactivity, Japan would've never evolved to the state where they would've given us great games like No More Heroes, Okamiand Devil May Cry.

So you have the West to thank for your Japanese creativity.

*In before the hate.....

On point, ya....All four of your are complete Right. All the people who by western games are wrong. It not like japan is in a massive hole with game now and Square enix only game that made profit that is not a remake this year is Western game. All the Japanese game should be flying off the shelves with out dated game play they just spluerg out..../Sarcasm

Have fun living in your box, in your special world where up is down.:P

Edit:Bayonetta is the only great thing to come out of Japan this gen.

dreman999

I did not realize Call of Duty,Uncharted, Mass effect, and Dragon age where all there was to western gaming if was would be pretty sad but luckily its not infact they only represent a very small fraction of western games.

I did not realize Call of Duty,Uncharted, Mass effect, and Dragon age where all there was to western gaming if was would be pretty sad but luckily its not infact they only represent a very small fraction of western games.

DJ_Headshot

Wackiness is a tradition that pervades their culture.

American mainstream games are obssessed with a Renaissance-type mentality where everything has to be as "realistic" as possible.

In contrast, Japan takes pride in their wackiness and tries to deliberately flaunt it.

Sometimes it works (Nintendo)...other times it doesn't (niche stuff).

-

I would have to side with American games just because they try and push the limits of gaming, while Japanese games like to try and push the limits of insanity.

peterw007

Gamers are obsessed with having choices in their games, having open ended sandbox games that fit the bill of Fallout 3 and Skyrim. These games don't have the creativity and passion that games like Bayonetta and Catherine have.

Many Japanese games are wacky and inventive, whereas lots of Western games just rip of movies.

Call of Duty - Apocalypse Now, Enemy at the Gates, Fight Club, Terminator 2 etc...

Uncharted - Indiana Jones, Lawrence of Arabia etc...

Dragon Age Origins - Lord of the Rings etc...

Mass Effect - The Bladerunner, Star Wars etc...

Now if you just look at games like Mario & Bayonetta. Tell me what movies they rip off ?

Western games may be a few steps ahead in terms of popularity and technology, but Japan will allways be ahead in terms of creativity.

xXShortroundXx

Please everyone knows Bayonnette was inspired by p%@n and strippers :P

I agree. Japanes games always give me the most hours.

All opinions broski. Japanese develop their art styles from manga and anime. When they make a game they seem to want their world to start from scratch. Where as western developers like to use a pre-existing world. I prefer Western games to Japanese, but I don't go around saying Western > Japanese, because I know my opinions aren't fact.

I'm not big on Japanese games except those from Nintendo. But, I like this:

I am an Air Traffic Controller 3. It's not to everyone's tastes. But, I like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6S8b89JXv8

I've been to Haneda Airport and Narita Airport so many times. The voices in this game are hauntingly authentic.

While I don't agree with the whole J v W debate ...

All opinions broski. Japanese develop their art **** from manga and anime.When they make a game they seem to want their world to start from scratch. Where as western developers like to use a pre-existing world. I prefer Western games to Japanese, but I don't go around saying Western > Japanese, because I know my opinions aren't fact.

DireOwl

Japanese games are probably influenced by manga and anime. That's what happens when 30% of printed material in your country is a comic book. But it goes both ways. Japanese media as a whole is influenced by their own aesthetics. Not everything in games is necessarily "from manga and anime." It's just drawn from a common aesthetic base and a common perspective. This is true of western games of well. How much do you think WRPGs are influenced by LOTR? Probably a lot, more often than not. Chances are, Mass Effect has its influences in western media as well. But this doesn't mean that western game is simply lifted from something that exists already.

That being said, are you suggesting that every game story has simply been lifted from manga and anime? That games don't have original worlds?

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

*In before the hate.....

On point, ya....All four of your are complete Right. All the people who by western games are wrong. It not like japan is in a massive hole with game now and Square enix only game that made profit that is not a remake this year is Western game. All the Japanese game should be flying off the shelves with out dated game play they just spluerg out..../Sarcasm

Have fun living in your box, in your special world where up is down.:P

Edit:Bayonetta is the only great thing to come out of Japan this gen.

xXShortroundXx

I'm not big on Japanese games except those from Nintendo. But, I like this:

I am an Air Traffic Controller 3. It's not to everyone's tastes. But, I like it.

I've been to Haneda Airport and Narita Airport so many times. The voices in this game are hauntingly authentic.

jun_aka_pekto

Wow, that couldn't possibly be more esoteric. A certain someone in this board must be seething right now.

While I don't agree with the whole J v W debate ...

[QUOTE="DireOwl"]

All opinions broski. Japanese develop their art **** from manga and anime.When they make a game they seem to want their world to start from scratch. Where as western developers like to use a pre-existing world. I prefer Western games to Japanese, but I don't go around saying Western > Japanese, because I know my opinions aren't fact.

hakanakumono

Japanese games are probably influenced by manga and anime. That's what happens when 30% of printed material in your country is a comic book. But it goes both ways. Japanese media as a whole is influenced by their own aesthetics. Not everything in games is necessarily "from manga and anime." It's just drawn from a common aesthetic base and a common perspective. This is true of western games of well. How much do you think WRPGs are influenced by LOTR? Probably a lot, more often than not. Chances are, Mass Effect has its influences in western media as well. But this doesn't mean that western game is simply lifted from something that exists already.

That being said, are you suggesting that every game story has simply been lifted from manga and anime? That games don't have original worlds?

Absolutely not. I should have been more clear and but a "some" in front of Japanese.

Wackiness is a tradition that pervades their culture.

American mainstream games are obssessed with a Renaissance-type mentality where everything has to be as "realistic" as possible.

In contrast, Japan takes pride in their wackiness and tries to deliberately flaunt it.

Sometimes it works (Nintendo)...other times it doesn't (niche stuff).

-

I would have to side with American games just because they try and push the limits of gaming, while Japanese games like to try and push the limits of insanity.

peterw007

That has to be my major gripe with quite a few western franchises. I'm so sick of the realistic look. I want creativity, imagination, something that I can't have in real life. I mean for gods sake, if I want to count the hairs on a grown man's face (just using this as an example of how some folks like their ultra realistic graphics) I'll go a day without shaving. A game for me should be crazy, imaginative and well in some extent wacky. It should not be a failed copy paste of the real world.

Do you mean RPG or in General? There are a lot of good games from both sides, I personally enjoy Traditional RPG(world map Turned based lengthy story) than the current trend. Which none of them seem to be doing :| while shooting games I guess European developers do the better job at those IMO, Adventure Europe/*** and fighting.. ***....

Call of Duty - Apocalypse Now, Enemy at the Gates, Fight Club, Terminator 2 etc...

xXShortroundXx

Fight Club? Terminator 2? What?

... you know what, I'll give you Terminator 2.

And Fight Club the movie was based on a book by the same name.

Uncharted - Indiana Jones, Lawrence of Arabia etc...

xXShortroundXx

Lawrence of Arabia? Sure I haven't played Uncharted 3 yet, and I definitely remember the reference to the Seven Pillars of Wisdom in the trailer. But how is Uncharted a rip off of a movie that looks to portray the life of T. E. Lawrence in Arabia?

Dragon Age Origins - Lord of the Rings etc...

Mass Effect - The Bladerunner, Star Wars etc...

xXShortroundXx

I'll give you Dragon Age, though again, that came out of the books and Star Wars did not invent the Space Opera genre.

Bladerunner has nothing to do with Mass Effect, and it was based on one of Philip K. Dick's work--very loosely based though.

That said, I could relate Bayonetta to a lot of anime out there. I'll give you Mario though.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I'm not big on Japanese games except those from Nintendo. But, I like this:

I am an Air Traffic Controller 3. It's not to everyone's tastes. But, I like it.

I've been to Haneda Airport and Narita Airport so many times. The voices in this game are hauntingly authentic.

hakanakumono

Wow, that couldn't possibly be more esoteric. A certain someone in this board must be seething right now.

In Japan, it's not uncommon to see strange concepts being put out. For flight simmers or aviation enthusiasts, games like it are more than welcome even though it's not exactly a flight sim.

Call of Duty rips offApocalypse Now, Enemy at the Gates, Fight Club, Terminator 2 etc:lol:

Gamers are obsessed with having choices in their games, having open ended sandbox games that fit the bill of Fallout 3 and Skyrim. These games don't have the creativity and passion that games like Bayonetta and Catherine have.

Many Japanese games are wacky and inventive, whereas lots of Western games just rip of movies.

Call of Duty - Apocalypse Now, Enemy at the Gates, Fight Club, Terminator 2 etc...

Uncharted - Indiana Jones, Lawrence of Arabia etc...

Dragon Age Origins - Lord of the Rings etc...

Mass Effect - The Bladerunner, Star Wars etc...

Now if you just look at games like Mario & Bayonetta. Tell me what movies they rip off ?

Western games may be a few steps ahead in terms of popularity and technology, but Japan will allways be ahead in terms of creativity.

xXShortroundXx

bayonetta? you mean that game which is actually based on a bunch of witchcraft and occultism books? ooohh...how original! as if they hadnt made a bunch of films about that.

and bayonetta is lame, bayonetta needed to abuse sexuality just to call the attention, that makes the whole thing lame.

and mario is like any knight's history...a hero who goes through a bunch of ordeals, enters a castle to rescue a princess from a dragon's clutches.

Black Isle + Blizzard > Japan.

Not an opinion, a mere fact.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]lmao bayonetta and catherine. two trash games. if i had some weird fetish for fake characters theres plenty of porn sites for that. japan just rips off stuff and makes it weird mario was in donkey kong first, blatant rip off of king kong. bayonetta-idk because the game was waaay too stupid for me to get past the first 20 minutes. also she is hideous. japan needs to stick to what it does best. just keep pumping out mario and zelda and pokemon and im happy. stop wasting time with everything else because its not the 90s, no one cares anymorelightleggy

dat @$$

and also japan is pretty much anything except original...the guys milk their own folklore in every way they can...you want an example? the nine tailed fox, no it was not invented by the naruto guy, its a japanese legend which pretty much appears in 99% of japanese animes/films/books.lightleggy

I think Shinigami fits the example best.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]lmao bayonetta and catherine. two trash games. if i had some weird fetish for fake characters theres plenty of porn sites for that. japan just rips off stuff and makes it weird mario was in donkey kong first, blatant rip off of king kong. bayonetta-idk because the game was waaay too stupid for me to get past the first 20 minutes. also she is hideous. japan needs to stick to what it does best. just keep pumping out mario and zelda and pokemon and im happy. stop wasting time with everything else because its not the 90s, no one cares anymoreDireOwl

dat @$$

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]and also japan is pretty much anything except original...the guys milk their own folklore in every way they can...you want an example? the nine tailed fox, no it was not invented by the naruto guy, its a japanese legend which pretty much appears in 99% of japanese animes/films/books.N30F3N1X

I think Shinigami fits the example best.

Not to self own myself as I am not entirely sure of the facts, but didn"t the japanese basically steal the whole videogame thing from the west?

It seems to me that The Japanese are really talented at taking someones ideas and making them better.

Not to self own myself as I am not entirely sure of the facts, but didn"t the japanese basically steal the whole videogame thing from the west?

It seems to me that The Japanese are really talented at taking someones ideas and making them better.

musalala

The first video game was originally made in America.

The first video game console was originally made in America.

The birth of the Japanese RPG (Dragon Quest) was because of the existence of games like Wizardry...again, made in America.

I'm not big on Japanese games except those from Nintendo. But, I like this:

I am an Air Traffic Controller 3. It's not to everyone's tastes. But, I like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6S8b89JXv8

I've been to Haneda Airport and Narita Airport so many times. The voices in this game are hauntingly authentic.

jun_aka_pekto

*Clinks on link*

That's weird... youtube looks different...

*clicks on link to youtube's main page*

:o

OH DEAR LORD!!! WTH HAPPENED?!

THAT LOOKS AWFUL! :|

Not to self own myself as I am not entirely sure of the facts, but didn"t the japanese basically steal the whole videogame thing from the west?

It seems to me that The Japanese are really talented at taking someones ideas and making them better.

musalala

It's not that it's a talent they kinda have to for it to sell around the world, see japan doesn't have itself a lot of natural resources for market so it buys stuff from other countries and makes stuff from that and sells it. So they have to meet a certain kind of professionalism to survive while the west which holds the biggest population of customers for markets can get away with doing crap because in here we are paid to get things done not for it to be done the finest way possible. Video games are looked down upon here, it's like a secret culture in society that they don't want to admit exists.

Video games are looked down upon here, it's like a secret culture in society that they don't want to admit exists.

Joedgabe

The heck?

What?

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Wackiness is a tradition that pervades their culture.

American mainstream games are obssessed with a Renaissance-type mentality where everything has to be as "realistic" as possible.

In contrast, Japan takes pride in their wackiness and tries to deliberately flaunt it.

Sometimes it works (Nintendo)...other times it doesn't (niche stuff).

-

I would have to side with American games just because they try and push the limits of gaming, while Japanese games like to try and push the limits of insanity.

MLBknights58

That has to be my major gripe with quite a few western franchises. I'm so sick of the realistic look. I want creativity, imagination, something that I can't have in real life. I mean for gods sake, if I want to count the hairs on a grown man's face (just using this as an example of how some folks like their ultra realistic graphics) I'll go a day without shaving. A game for me should be crazy, imaginative and well in some extent wacky. It should not be a failed copy paste of the real world.

*In before the hate.....

On point, ya....All four of your are complete Right. All the people who by western games are wrong. It not like japan is in a massive hole with game now and Square enix only game that made profit that is not a remake this year is Western game. All the Japanese game should be flying off the shelves with out dated game play they just spluerg out..../Sarcasm

Have fun living in your box, in your special world where up is down.:P

Edit:Bayonetta, Demon souls and dark souls are the only great things to come out of Japan this gen.

dreman999

Ahem. Bayonetta, Vanquish, No More Heroes, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Tales of Vesperia, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron all come to mind for that little list of yours.

[QUOTE="musalala"]

Not to self own myself as I am not entirely sure of the facts, but didn"t the japanese basically steal the whole videogame thing from the west?

It seems to me that The Japanese are really talented at taking someones ideas and making them better.

peterw007

The first video game was originally made in America.

The first video game console was originally made in America.

The birth of the Japanese RPG (Dragon Quest) was because of the existence of games like Wizardry...again, made in America.

Japan was never an inventing country but they are good in modifying and improving things.

Honestly who cares? If a game is good i dont go looking from where its coming, I just get the game and enjoy it...

Western games may be a few steps ahead in terms of popularity and technology, but Japan will allways be ahead in terms of creativity.

xXShortroundXx

And im sick of cartoon-ish graphics in japanese games.

Japanese junk need to stay in japan