Killzone 2 - An end to damage control!

[QUOTE="Trinexxx"]Do we really need a new Killzone 2 thread every day?GabeNewellsPie

Evidently yes.Cows seem to feel the need to spend every waking hour teling everybody how great this game is,instead of,y'know, actually playing the damned thing.

I think certain cows are dissapointed that KZ2 didn't set the videogaming world alight like good ol' Sony told them them it would.

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[QUOTE="Trinexxx"]Do we really need a new Killzone 2 thread every day?host0211

Evidently yes.Cows seem to feel the need to spend every waking hour teling everybody how great this game is,instead of,y'know, actually playing the damned thing.

I think certain cows are dissapointed that KZ2 didn't set the videogaming world alight like good ol' Sony told them them it would.

Until you can prove any of that your post is as empty and hollow as Sony's PR.

[QUOTE="host0211"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"]

Evidently yes.Cows seem to feel the need to spend every waking hour teling everybody how great this game is,instead of,y'know, actually playing the damned thing.

I think certain cows are dissapointed that KZ2 didn't set the videogaming world alight like good ol' Sony told them them it would.

GabeNewellsPie

Until you can prove any of that your post is as empty and hollow as Sony's PR.

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[QUOTE="host0211"] yea it did set the gaming world on fire an AAAe Score, another welcomed franchise to the PS3 library, a game superior in grapgics in any console. it reached 350,000 in it's 2nd day and reached past a million in less then a week and it caused many to get a PS3 + it's a sweet game :) host0211

Until you can prove any of that your post is as empty and hollow as Sony's PR.

I can tell you're new here.VGChartz.Lulz.

And yeah you can say what you like about Bill Gates,but he is one of the richest and most successful businessmen of all time.SCE could do with someone like him on-board.

Awesome game, but it didn't break my SFIV addiction lol.

[QUOTE="host0211"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"]

Until you can prove any of that your post is as empty and hollow as Sony's PR.

GabeNewellsPie

I can tell you're new here.VGChartz.Lulz.

And yeah you can say what you like about Bill Gates,but he is one of the richest and most successful businessmen of all time.SCE could do with someone like him on-board.

Still Microsoft's PR and Sony's PR are both bad. Plus KZ2 did sell around 700,000 in Europe and the States, so it wouldn't surprise me if it had reached over a mil by now

Awesome game, but it didn't break my SFIV addiction lol.

Dr_Snood

Do we really need a new Killzone 2 thread every day?Trinexxx

dude the 60 mil wasn't just for the game lol

you should all wait until the npd shows how much money it made cause as of yet I haven't seen any comfirmation since the first week.

halo wars

[QUOTE="PS3Fanaddict"] yea Metal Gear Solid 4 can be considered just as epic as Killzone 2clone01

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"Killzone 2 was a lot better than people expected"

Nope. The hype was definitely AAA for the last 3 or so years.

lundy86_4

True... Anyway, at the very least, it met the hype. Which was a good thing

dude the 60 mil wasn't just for the game lol

Yes it was.Synthetic_NinJI

The 60 million was also used to build the engine for Killzone 2, which undoubtedly will be used for future games, and could even be outsourced to other 1st and 2nd party developers.

Apparently, Lemmings want to change the definition of the term "flop."

The 60 million was also used to build the engine for Killzone 2, which undoubtedly will be used for future games, and could even be outsourced to other 1st and 2nd party developers.

lundy86_4

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The 60 million was also used to build the engine for Killzone 2, which undoubtedly will be used for future games, and could even be outsourced to other 1st and 2nd party developers.

TREAL_Since

I don't understand most people bashing this game, realistically when looking at a 60 million budget, the engine build would have to be included. I mean that's a larger budget than most movies. Engines take time, manpower and a heck of a load of effort to create

The 60 million was also used to build the engine for Killzone 2, which undoubtedly will be used for future games, and could even be outsourced to other 1st and 2nd party developers.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

The 60 million was also used to build the engine for Killzone 2, which undoubtedly will be used for future games, and could even be outsourced to other 1st and 2nd party developers.

lundy86_4

I don't understand most people bashing this game, realistically when looking at a 60 million budget, the engine build would have to be included. I mean that's a larger budget than most movies. Engines take time, manpower and a heck of a load of effort to create

Well I finally bought the game still waiting for it's arrival... can't wait to join sides here lol.

The 60 million was also used to build the engine for Killzone 2, which undoubtedly will be used for future games, and could even be outsourced to other 1st and 2nd party developers.Synthetic_NinJI

Who cares :| The game is one of the most expensive games of all time. On that merit, the fact is that this game is flop.

Look, it's really quite simple:

• Killzone 2 is a really good game, up there with the Halos and Gears of Wars
• Killzone 2 scored a 9 on gamespot and similarly high scores elsewhere.
• Killzone 2 is the best looking console game at the moment. No, it does not look better than Crysis
• Killzone 2 will probably not stay the best looking console game
• Killzone 2 does not do a lot new, but it perfects a lot of tried and tested gameplay elements, creating something unique in the process
• Whether Killzone 2 is better than Halo 3 is simply a matter of opinion
• Killzone 2 is great fun and, if the huge amount of posts are anything to go by, will be talked about for many months if not years to come.
• Killzone 2 was a lot better than people expected

And that really is all there is to it!

thetruespin

Best post I've seen in awhile here. Straight to the point and simply done. No links to Icelandic gaming blogs or wall of texts. I applaud you.

You forgot:

Killzone 2 is in NO WAY technically even legitimately able to be mentioned in the same sentence as Cryengine 2. Sure, if you like dark art then you may like the graphics better. But, that's like calling Super Mario World with an Eagle filter better in graphics than Gears Of War just because you like the art style.

So since it is one of the most expensive games ever it is a flop?

final sales aren't even revealed yet?

You can't be serious.

So since it is one of the most expensive games ever it is a flop?Synthetic_NinJI

Yes.

final sales aren't even revealed yet?

Final sales are irrelevant. Flop does not mean successful or unsuccessful, only means that it failed to meet expectation.

You can't be serious.

Pancakes.

So since it is one of the most expensive games ever it is a flop?Synthetic_NinJI

Yes.

final sales aren't even revealed yet?

Final sales are irrelevant. Flop does not mean successful or unsuccessful, only means that it failed to meet expectation.

You can't be serious.

Pancakes.

lol one of the most expensive games ever means it's a flop? hahaha what are you taling about?

Please explain why KZ2 is a flop. It didn't meet the hype? Where have you been? It scored AAA.

Please explain why KZ2 is a flop. It didn't meet the hype? Where have you been? It scored AAA.Synthetic_NinJI

Check my previous post.

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]It is a flop. It sold between 700,00 - 1,200,000 million in one month with a 60 million dollar budget and 4 years development time. 60 million dollars, you can build a bridge with that. Gears of War 2, for example, sold 2.5 million in one day and later sold 4 million copies in a time span of 2 months with a lesser budget and development time. You can't disagree with that statement since it is a fact, without bias, it is math. Too understand what a flop means, you have to understand the concept of "hype" Just like the name of System Wars itself, it is a concept. The case here is this game which received hype. What I mean by that is a certain which in this case are called "cows" hyped the game with comments like "Halo Killer", "Killzowed" and over 70 percent of this group with Killzone sig (notice how those are disappearing) Once this game was release it didn't do nothing special when compared to other games of its category. For example, Call of Duty 4 recieves a 9.0 on gamespot it sells almost 10 million copies. Fallout 3 receives the same score on game rankings with a 91 percentage and sells 4.7 million copies. Killzone 2 received generally high scores but not what was expected of a game given the budget, development time, and if you are a believer of the concept (which you should be) "hype". All these things considered one can aurge and even say as a fact that this game is defined, since it failed to meet expectation of a game with the given budget and development, a flop.TREAL_Since

lol one of the most expensive games ever means it's a flop? hahaha what are you taling about?

lundy86_4

This lemming approves this message

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]lol one of the most expensive games ever means it's a flop? hahaha what are you taling about?

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]It is a flop. It sold between 700,00 - 1,200,000 million in one month with a 60 million dollar budget and 4 years development time. 60 million dollars, you can build a bridge with that. Gears of War 2, for example, sold 2.5 million in one day and later sold 4 million copies in a time span of 2 months with a lesser budget and development time. You can't disagree with that statement since it is a fact, without bias, it is math. Too understand what a flop means, you have to understand the concept of "hype" Just like the name of System Wars itself, it is a concept. The case here is this game which received hype. What I mean by that is a certain which in this case are called "cows" hyped the game with comments like "Halo Killer", "Killzowed" and over 70 percent of this group with Killzone sig (notice how those are disappearing) Once this game was release it didn't do nothing special when compared to other games of its category. For example, Call of Duty 4 recieves a 9.0 on gamespot it sells almost 10 million copies. Fallout 3 receives the same score on game rankings with a 91 percentage and sells 4.7 million copies. Killzone 2 received generally high scores but not what was expected of a game given the budget, development time, and if you are a believer of the concept (which you should be) "hype". All these things considered one can aurge and even say as a fact that this game is defined, since it failed to meet expectation of a game with the given budget and development, a flop.Synthetic_NinJI

You state final sales are irrelevant, and yet you're first point after calling Killzone 2 a flop is "It sold between 700,00 - 1,200,000 million in one month with a 60 million dollar budget and 4 years development time.", you also then go on to state "Gears of War 2, for example, sold 2.5 million in one day and later sold 4 million copies in a time span of 2 months with a lesser budget and development time." in which you account for the first 2 months, which you won't do with Killzone 2. You also state that it had a lesser budget and development time, and this was because they used the same engine as one, with a few tweaks, not a whole new engine.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]lol one of the most expensive games ever means it's a flop? hahaha what are you taling about?

Synthetic_NinJI

The hype system doesn't work like that. KZ2 was hyped AAA. It received a AAA score.

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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] So you are comparing it to Gears of War 2 development costs and sales. That is why you are saying KZ2 is a flop. Basically you are boiling it down to *SALES* compared to other AAA games.lundy86_4

You state final sales are irrelevant, and yet you're first point after calling Killzone 2 a flop is "It sold between 700,00 - 1,200,000 million in one month with a 60 million dollar budget and 4 years development time.", you also then go on to state "Gears of War 2, for example, sold 2.5 million in one day and later sold 4 million copies in a time span of 2 months with a lesser budget and development time." in which you account for the first 2 months, which you won't do with Killzone 2. You also state that it had a lesser budget and development time, and this was because they used the same engine as one, with a few tweaks, not a whole new engine.

Remember the days when people would joke about Killzone 2, the CGI trailer, bring up Guerrila's history as a developer. "Lucky to get even 6/10, Cows never learn" etc... Ahh, those were the days. inertk

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Flop technically means didn't make the cut. I'm not sure what the sales expectations were... but I do know they were just "good" and not "superb" or "spectacular" like other extremely hyped titles. I believe that's what he's referring too.

Episode_Eve

Anything else is quoted from me better be responding towards the statement I made, otherwise it is a "spin" and is not worth reading.

The hype system doesn't work like that. KZ2 was hyped AAA. It received a AAA score.Synthetic_NinJI

Nobody is suggesting it is a bad game. Reading comprehension fail

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That it is what I'm doing and using evidence along with other references What are you doing :|