Killzone 2 - An end to damage control!

I'm a fanboy because I think this is a trivial matter? How?

I conjured

mantra to correlate with your arguments, which is in fact true

I don't know what it will sell, and neither do you.

While lems are guilty of bashing this game too much, cows are guilty of praising it too much. Yes, its a superb game. But no, its not the best console game EVAR. No its, not the best FPS EVAR. And no, its not the best looking game EVAR. -DrRobotnik-

meh i'm just in it for the argument as i'm not a cow. I just don't agree with it being a fail based on the information we have, going off 2 days sales and presumptions of further sales is completely... well nonsensical.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]I understand the points. To even mention the first 2 days is moot because it won't stay that way (at least I see it as such). It didn't sell like most on the internet expected in the first 2 days in America. Beyond that, what's the point? KZ2 isn't a hugely known entity (besides on the internet) and didn't have a massive marketing campaign, which is Sony's fault. Your Transformer comparison would been better if the two movies correlated with KZ1 and KZ2. It's closer to Halo really in the sense of the original being a commercial success. I'm not discounting it because its a different form on entertainment though. And beyond that, its hypothetical considering Transformers 2 isn't out yet.Stevo_the_gamer

Ah, I do know it's quite the -- like Fred mentioned -- trivial matter... I'm not even sure why I'm discussing on this subject because frankly, I have always despised the sales argument. Sheep know me best for debunking their sales non-sense. But I do stand by the common-sense argument. And I'm afraid no matter how little this may be, he is in fact correct and allowed to say it's a sales flop as of current status. Does it sound a little... dumb? I guess one could argue that, but hey, the man is allowed to have his opinion, and I do stand by his accusation. I firmly believed it was going to easily sell a million to 750K on it's openin release... I'm not sure what other expectations were, but I was a little ... "shocked" to see how "meh" it had sold. I eman, it's a frickin' shooter... in America? It should sells millions, amirite? :P

Meh, I'd say Sony did a great job on the marketing... perhaps I overstated the "massive" part because that can ONLY refer to Halo 3's marketing which can only be deccribed as this ":o". Regardless, I saw too many commercials regarding it for my liking, too many magazine articles/advertisements, PR crap, plenty of posters, billboards to go around, and I'm sure there was more as well. I'd say they did a fine job in getting PS3 owners "aware" of the coming title. Transformers... was a commercial success though, granted it had a huge following because of the cartoons.. I think? But the point is what matters most.

To Synthetic_NinJI:

1.) You still haven't given a reason as to why I'm a "fanboy".

2.) What is the point in calling KZ2 a flop if the game will continue to sale. I've said that the fist 2 day sales (in one region) weren't spectacular. I just don't see that as a point-blank-period "flop". A sales flop is if the game doesn't sell well AT ALL. Is the PS3 version of CoD4 a sales flop? It's a high profile game that sold OK at launch, though it eventually sold 5 million units.

What you're basically saying is that KZ2 is a "temporary flop". I just attached this particular phrase to your argument as I interperet it. From the outset, you've said that only initial launch sales matter right? If the sales stay stagnant or under expectations for the duration of its life span, it could be fair to call it a "sales flop".

3.) The word conjured is to be taken loosely, I'm sure you're smart and mature enough to not take it literally as in "magic" :|.

In the end this argument is trivial, premature, and inconclusive. I won't be responding to you any further.

Yes, because america is the only country that loves shooters...right? America isn't a race. TREAL pretty much owned the haters, I kinda wish Sony did more concerning marketing, the game isn't that well known, unfortunately. Slambo86

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]Yes, because america is the only country that loves shooters...right? America isn't a race. TREAL pretty much owned the haters, I kinda wish Sony did more concerning marketing, the game isn't that well known, unfortunately. Stevo_the_gamer

You still haven't given a reason as to why I'm a "fanboy"Synthetic_NinJI

I gave a reason.

What is the point in calling KZ2 a flop if the game will continue to sale

To sell. And I gave a reason for that also.

I just don't see that as a point-blank-period "flop".

Of course you don't. You're a fanboy unwilling to compromise even when the facts are in front of you as you read it with your on two eyes.

The word conjured is to be taken loosely, I'm sure you're smart and mature enough to not take it literally as in "magic"

No, it means the use magic in some form, there is no other definition for it.

In the end this argument is trivial and inconclusive

When you go to school tomorrow mourning I want you to sit in English class and listen to what the teacher is teaching you. Write whatever he / she says down and study it, seriously. You're are failing in reading comprehension and read things the same way a 5th grader would. And your grammar is "all sorts of jacked up".

whos mourning? did someone die?

whos mourning? did someone die?

Oops.

Here I am using the spell check feature and comes back to bite me on the tush, on a sentence like that of all things.

Oh wells.

Self-Ownage approved. :P

Please explain why KZ2 is a flop. It didn't meet the hype? Where have you been? It scored AAA.Synthetic_NinJI

Check my previous post.

4 pages so far. lol. The game is great, not perfect.Willit sell as well as the games they compair it to?

The game is fine. I'm enjoying it so far. But let's be honest here, it's nowhere near Halo or Gears.Mystery_Writer

While lems are guilty of bashing this game too much, cows are guilty of praising it too much. Yes, its a superb game. But no, its not the best console game EVAR. No its, not the best FPS EVAR. And no, its not the best looking game EVAR. -DrRobotnik-

You still haven't given a reason as to why I'm a "fanboy"Synthetic_NinJI

I gave a reason.

What is the point in calling KZ2 a flop if the game will continue to sale

To sell. And I gave a reason for that also.

I just don't see that as a point-blank-period "flop".

Of course you don't. You're a fanboy unwilling to compromise even when the facts are in front of you as you read it with your on two eyes.

The word conjured is to be taken loosely, I'm sure you're smart and mature enough to not take it literally as in "magic"

No, it means the use magic in some form, there is no other definition for it.

In the end this argument is trivial and inconclusive

When you go to school tomorrow mourning I want you to sit in English class and listen to what the teacher is teaching you. Write whatever he / she says down and study it, seriously. You're are failing in reading comprehension and read things the same way a 5th grader would. And your grammar is "all sorts of jacked up".

What am I not seeing? KZ2's first 2 day sales in NA are OK. That doesn't mean the game is an end all be all "sales flop". A sales flop is if a product sells marginally below expectations for the duration of its entire lifetime. Not the first 2 days. Since when has a game's first day sales constitutes it's status? Now?

I've never said that the numbers you're using aren't fact. It's simply nitpicky and inconclusive. Ultimately irrelevant to the status of the game. Also, you ignore the comparison of the PS3 SKU for Call of Duty 4.

Lastly, where did grammar and reading comprehension come into play? Your inclinations and words are beyond condescending and approaching insulting. As a grown man, I haven't insulted you. I would expect the same from you. The reason I replied to this should be obvious.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"] Check my previous post.Synthetic_NinJI

KZ2 is a great game.clone01

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="clone01"] what sound does a lemming make?clone01

[QUOTE="clone01"]KZ2 is a great game.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"] The same one trolls such as yourself make.Synthetic_NinJI

[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]The game is fine. I'm enjoying it so far. But let's be honest here, it's nowhere near Halo or Gears.rorskarch

While lems are guilty of bashing this game too much, cows are guilty of praising it too much. Yes, its a superb game. But no, its not the best console game EVAR. No its, not the best FPS EVAR. And no, its not the best looking game EVAR. -DrRobotnik-

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="clone01"]KZ2 is a great game.clone01

New games are not expected to sell? Does it just seem like the PS3 exclusives dont sell great, or is that a fact? It puzzles me, why wouldnt a game like Killzone 2 sell like Halo 3, or Gears 1 and 2? I want to believe it has something to do with marketing...what is it?

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Has he said otherwise? :?IIJuggaNottII

New games are not expected to sell? Does it just seem like the PS3 exclusives dont sell great, or is that a fact? It puzzles me, why wouldnt a game like Killzone 2 sell like Halo 3, or Gears 1 and 2? I want to believe it has something to do with marketing...what is it?

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Has he said otherwise? :?IIJuggaNottII

New games are not expected to sell? Does it just seem like the PS3 exclusives dont sell great, or is that a fact? It puzzles me, why wouldnt a game like Killzone 2 sell like Halo 3, or Gears 1 and 2? I want to believe it has something to do with marketing...what is it?

no, but he has called it a flop Synthetic_NinJI

It is a flop and I presented reasons, along with evidence and references to why it is, in fact, a flop.

i really don't think

There is your problem. For some odd reason every person on this forum seems to think that their opinion somehow translates into fact or because they believe it "must be so". If you took a stance in the middle and actually take the time to provide some facts or evidence along with whatever argument you are trying to make, you might see that fewer and fewer people can't disagrees you. ....Unless they are delusional fanboys.

its just too early to tell how it will do.

I don't care how it will do, that was never in the statement I made.

[QUOTE="IIJuggaNottII"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] no, but he has called it a flop, and i really don't think it is. will it sell like Halo 3? certainly not. but the game is so new, its just too early to tell how it will do.clone01

New games are not expected to sell? Does it just seem like the PS3 exclusives dont sell great, or is that a fact? It puzzles me, why wouldnt a game like Killzone 2 sell like Halo 3, or Gears 1 and 2? I want to believe it has something to do with marketing...what is it?

I guess. Still a great game. I want it to do good, doesnt seem like it's coming out of the gate blazing.

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]

no, but he has called it a flop clone01

It is a flop and I presented reasons, along with evidence and references to why it is, in fact, a flop.

i really don't think

There is your problem. For some odd reason every person on this forum seems to think that their opinion somehow translates into fact or because they believe it "must be so". If you took a stance in the middle and actually take the time to provide some facts or evidence along with whatever argument you are trying to make, you might see that fewer and fewer people can't disagrees you. ....Unless they are delusional fanboys.

its just too early to tell how it will do.

I don't care how it will do, that was never in the statement I made.

It isn't. But he's calling it a "sales flop" based of of the first 2 days in one region. Not a concrete argument in my book. The game is still selling, and will continue to do so.Episode_Eve

Meh, the thread is suffering from a broken-record syndrome so there's no point in arguing any further.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="IIJuggaNottII"]

New games are not expected to sell? Does it just seem like the PS3 exclusives dont sell great, or is that a fact? It puzzles me, why wouldnt a game like Killzone 2 sell like Halo 3, or Gears 1 and 2? I want to believe it has something to do with marketing...what is it?

Synthetic_NinJI

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] It isn't. But he's calling it a "sales flop" based of of the first 2 days in one region. Not a concrete argument in my book. The game is still selling, and will continue to do so.Lionheart08

Meh, the thread is suffering from a broken-record syndrome so there's no point in arguing any further.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="IIJuggaNottII"]

New games are not expected to sell? Does it just seem like the PS3 exclusives dont sell great, or is that a fact? It puzzles me, why wouldnt a game like Killzone 2 sell like Halo 3, or Gears 1 and 2? I want to believe it has something to do with marketing...what is it?

Synthetic_NinJI

The game is fine. I'm enjoying it so far. But let's be honest here, it's nowhere near Halo or Gears.Mystery_Writer

Halo and Gears aren't the freaking gods of gameplay or anything either...

2 days or not, KZ2 flopped in sales. For a 4 year hyped game with a $60 million budget to not even remotely rake in the same day 1 sales as Gears 2 or Halo 3.........just shows how little gamers actually care. Only 300 something thousand bought the game in two days? cmon...........-M117-

Again clone, reading comprehension fail. Stop selectively reading what words you want to argue about and read the statement in its entirety. Once you done that then respond, but since it is an objective statement their is nothing you can really do besides shake your head and say "um-hmm" to yourself. God (pulls cigarettes out) this place wears me thin sometimes. Synthetic_NinJI

no, but he has called it a flop Synthetic_NinJI

It is a flop and I presented reasons, along with evidence and references to why it is, in fact, a flop.

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]

no, but he has called it a flop rorskarch

It is a flop and I presented reasons, along with evidence and references to why it is, in fact, a flop.

Killzone sold almost 1 million copies along with Killzone Liberation for PSP To say it is untested is not good excuse, sorry.Synthetic_NinJI

[QUOTE="rorskarch"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]

no, but he has called it a flop Synthetic_NinJI

It is a flop and I presented reasons, along with evidence and references to why it is, in fact, a flop.

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="rorskarch"] Its not a flop.clone01

over a very small regionclone01

[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]The game is fine. I'm enjoying it so far. But let's be honest here, it's nowhere near Halo or Gears.MetroidPrimePwn

Halo and Gears aren't the freaking gods of gameplay or anything either...

No they were not. Killzone 2 is up there but it's not BETTER than those because of Co-op. Playing Gears or Halo...and your playing with your friend(s), you can get by with a garbage story. Why? You just hit skip or your talking with a buddy etc. With Killzone 2...it's overall like a task, bust through this group of bad guys to get to this invisible line that will start the next task. Killzone 2...I went right to the multiplayer...I have yet to end the story. I'm just not interested. Some might be, like a friend of mine is more than happy to come over and end it for me. He's almost done with it.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"] Yes it is.Synthetic_NinJI

[QUOTE="clone01"]over a very small regionStevo_the_gamer

still, you called it a flop. by review scores, it isn't.clone01