Killzone 3 is 41.5 GB in size !!!

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#201 Sollet
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Yay for no compression!

What is going to be really funny is when this game gets a 20+ GB mandatory install that takes half an hour.

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Well we are happy to announce that Killzone 3 officially has NO data install and runs perfectly!

I guess you missed that part.

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#202 foxhound_fox
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As long as the game is not affected by slow load times then this is perfectly fine, more so, many pirates will be put off by such a huge file size.abuabed

I honestly don't doubt this is their next anti-piracy tactic. Load the game files with tons of irrelevant padding data that makes downloading the files unappealing. I wouldn't doubt however, that the same pirates who have been busting into the PS3 are going to sift through these games and figure out there is just a bunch of irrelevant padding data in there and then take it all out.

Well we are happy to announce that Killzone 3 officially has NO data install and runs perfectly!

I guess you missed that part.

Sollet


So 10 minute load times. Neat. :P

I can't see any way they can make this game that big (unless they have strategically placed the relevant files among a sea of useless data) could not require a massive install to run without awful load times. The PS3's Blu-ray drive doesn't stream fast enough to load that much data quickly.

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#203 toxicmog
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]

Got damn.

Ugh, people wanting DD next gen need to GTFO, like I feel like downloading 40 gigs of content

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K, but when devs aren't using blu-ray they don't have to use as much space for their games. On the PS3 you've got a bunch of repeated content to make up for a slow disk drive.

The best looking games on the PC don't even come close to 40gb downloads.

They also sound great as Well WoW is around 30 GiG and that game has four expansions :P And more art than you can shake a stick at.
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#204 theuncharted34
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sweet. The game does have more diverse locations than the second, and then there's the 70 minutes of cutscenes, and probably none of it is compressed. :D

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#205 DroidPhysX
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sweet. The game does have more diverse locations than the second, and then there's the 70 minutes of cutscenes, and probably none of it is compressed. :D

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Another $60 movie:P

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#206 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="abuabed"]As long as the game is not affected by slow load times then this is perfectly fine, more so, many pirates will be put off by such a huge file size.foxhound_fox


I honestly don't doubt this is their next anti-piracy tactic. Load the game files with tons of irrelevant padding data that makes downloading the files unappealing. I wouldn't doubt however, that the same pirates who have been busting into the PS3 are going to sift through these games and figure out there is just a bunch of irrelevant padding data in there and then take it all out.

Well we are happy to announce that Killzone 3 officially has NO data install and runs perfectly!

I guess you missed that part.

Sollet


So 10 minute load times. Neat. :P

I can't see any way they can make this game that big (unless they have strategically placed the relevant files among a sea of useless data) could not require a massive install to run without awful load times. The PS3's Blu-ray drive doesn't stream fast enough to load that much data quickly.

God of war 3 was 35 gigs and loaded pretty dam fast. with no install.

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#207 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

sweet. The game does have more diverse locations than the second, and then there's the 70 minutes of cutscenes, and probably none of it is compressed. :D

DroidPhysX

Another $60 movie:P

hey, I'm excited because it looks like killzone 3 will have a tightly woven story with some great voice acting, (unlike killzone 2) and I don't mind cutscenes :P

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#208 kuraimen
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This is why the 360 is holding back multiplat games. Many multiplat games could be much bigger if it wasn't for the 360 limited capacity in this respect.
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#209 Aboogie5
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There is no mandatory install... i dunno if there is an optional install either

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#210 PAL360
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This is why the 360 is holding back multiplat games. Many multiplat games could be much bigger if it wasn't for the 360 limited capacity in this respect.kuraimen

So, do you think Killzone3 will be bigger than Just Cause 2, Red Dead Rdemption or Fallout 3?

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#211 dommeus
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]

Got damn.

Ugh, people wanting DD next gen need to GTFO, like I feel like downloading 40 gigs of content

It would be compressed...
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#212 waltefmoney
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This is why the 360 is holding back multiplat games. Many multiplat games could be much bigger if it wasn't for the 360 limited capacity in this respect.kuraimen

They can still be bigger, they'll just be using more than one DVD.. :?

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#213 HaloinventedFPS
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they did this to try and stop piracy

pirates will just compress it back to 15gigs

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#214 foxhound_fox
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This is why the 360 is holding back multiplat games. Many multiplat games could be much bigger if it wasn't for the 360 limited capacity in this respect.kuraimen
Second, third or fourth discs make "limited capacity" irrelevant. And the DVD drive in the 360 streams at more than double the speed of the Blu-ray drive in the PS3... which makes installs unneccesary (several PS3 games require installs to avoid excessively long load times). Not wanting to get up for a few seconds to switch a disc is just lazy. There is nothing about the 360 "holding back" multiplats. If anything, the PS3's complex architecture is holding back its multiplats... considering 95% of multiplats this gen have been better on 360.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]This is why the 360 is holding back multiplat games. Many multiplat games could be much bigger if it wasn't for the 360 limited capacity in this respect.foxhound_fox
Second, third or fourth discs make "limited capacity" irrelevant. And the DVD drive in the 360 streams at more than double the speed of the Blu-ray drive in the PS3... which makes installs unneccesary (several PS3 games require installs to avoid excessively long load times). Not wanting to get up for a few seconds to switch a disc is just lazy. There is nothing about the 360 "holding back" multiplats. If anything, the PS3's complex architecture is holding back its multiplats... considering 95% of multiplats this gen have been better on 360.

hooray for made up statistics :(

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#216 incuensuocha
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I love how everyone here thinks they have the answers and come across as if they know what they're talking about. Especially the Lems claiming that it's laziness or shoddy work. Until GG tells us why they did this, we don't know the real answer.
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#217 Demonjoe93
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the only reason why it is so big is because the ps3's bluray drive is so slow they have to repeat data on the disc so the seek times won't interrupt gameplay.

ps3 is weak

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The PS3 is weak because some of their games are huge?

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#218 foxhound_fox
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hooray for made up statistics :(theuncharted34

Care to put together a list of PS3 multiplats that are better on PS3?

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#219 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]hooray for made up statistics :(foxhound_fox


Care to put together a list of PS3 multiplats that are better on PS3?

I'm sure the xbox 360 has more superior multiplats, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not that big of a difference, (95% big) or that you pulled that statistic out of nowhere.

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#220 Demonjoe93
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too bad it will still be sub par like killzone 2crystos

Killzone 2 was not sub-par, and how do you know Killzone 3 is gonna be sub-par?

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#221 Ironbash
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]This is why the 360 is holding back multiplat games. Many multiplat games could be much bigger if it wasn't for the 360 limited capacity in this respect.theuncharted34

Second, third or fourth discs make "limited capacity" irrelevant. And the DVD drive in the 360 streams at more than double the speed of the Blu-ray drive in the PS3... which makes installs unneccesary (several PS3 games require installs to avoid excessively long load times). Not wanting to get up for a few seconds to switch a disc is just lazy. There is nothing about the 360 "holding back" multiplats. If anything, the PS3's complex architecture is holding back its multiplats... considering 95% of multiplats this gen have been better on 360.

hooray for made up statistics :(

Translates to (AKA) considering that most multiplats this gen have been better on 360

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#222 chaplainDMK
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sweet. The game does have more diverse locations than the second, and then there's the 70 minutes of cutscenes, and probably none of it is compressed. :D

theuncharted34
Cutscenes are in engine, it's just a bunch of animation data only. I suspect alot of it comes from uncompressed voice acting and stuff like that
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#223 deactivated-59d151f079814
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This means absolutely NOTHING.. It consists mainly of all uncompressed audio, video and duplicate data.. This is not some "proof" that DD is not going to happen, because stuff like this isn't necessary inless specifically designed for (the ps3).. Furthermore the bluray disk imo are still not needed.. There is nothing stopping this from having the most hefty games coming on two discs, one a install disc and one a play disc.. Just like the PC has on those rare instances they actually need it.. Nor does it point out that the Killzone 3 is goign to be some massive spectacular game based upon size of the disc.
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#224 incuensuocha
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[QUOTE="crystos"]too bad it will still be sub par like killzone 2Demonjoe93

Killzone 2 was not sub-par, and how do you know Killzone 3 is gonna be sub-par?

He doesn't, and I'm sure he's never played K2
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#225 foxhound_fox
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Nor does it point out that the Killzone 3 is goign to be some massive spectacular game based upon size of the disc. sSubZerOo

This is among the most common misconceptions among PS3 fanboys. "Bigger" games are not necessarily "better" especially considering how some less-then 10 GB PC games look several orders better than anything the PS3 even offers.

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#226 theuncharted34
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I think it's important to note, that the 360 doesn't even use the full 8.54 gb's of a dual layer dvd. It only has 6.8 gb's.

So the issue of size isn't really dvd, but more so the 360's dvd's. I'd imagine with regular sized dvd's it'd have plenty of space with a little extra compression.

Still it's pretty easy just to use a second disc.

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#227 Drakan11
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I think 360 does hold back multiplats. With all the space on blu-ray, devs could easily turn a normal 8GB and beef up the textures + sound and make it 16GB-20GB. Instead they keep it at the normal size so the versions are the same, and so 360 doesn't need 3 discs to play 1 game. Plus they are simply lazy (for good reason, that is a lot of work, and probably not worth the effort if the PS3 version isn't even going to sell as much).
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#228 ironcreed
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I don't care how many gigs the game is, how much of that is duplicate data or uncompressed audio, etc. All I know and care about is that this game looks like pure top-shelf quality. From the spectacular audio, to the visuals, to the animations, to the physics... the game just looks like it is going to be a feast for the eyes and ears and just a blast to play overall. This is the only thing of relevance to me.

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#229 waltefmoney
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I think 360 does hold back multiplats. With all the space on blu-ray, devs could easily turn a normal 8GB and beef up the textures + sound and make it 16GB-20GB. Instead they keep it at the normal size so the versions are the same, and so 360 doesn't need 3 discs to play 1 game. Plus they are simply lazy (for good reason, that is a lot of work, and probably not worth the effort if the PS3 version isn't even going to sell as much). Drakan11

They're not the same.. the majority of multiplats look and perform better on 360 :lol:

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#230 Drakan11
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[QUOTE="Drakan11"]I think 360 does hold back multiplats. With all the space on blu-ray, devs could easily turn a normal 8GB and beef up the textures + sound and make it 16GB-20GB. Instead they keep it at the normal size so the versions are the same, and so 360 doesn't need 3 discs to play 1 game. Plus they are simply lazy (for good reason, that is a lot of work, and probably not worth the effort if the PS3 version isn't even going to sell as much). waltefmoney

They're not the same.. the majority of multiplats look and perform better on 360 :lol:

Not Castlevania, Final Fantasy or Assassins Creed: Brotherhood.
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I think 360 does hold back multiplats. With all the space on blu-ray, devs could easily turn a normal 8GB and beef up the textures + sound and make it 16GB-20GB. Instead they keep it at the normal size so the versions are the same, and so 360 doesn't need 3 discs to play 1 game. Plus they are simply lazy (for good reason, that is a lot of work, and probably not worth the effort if the PS3 version isn't even going to sell as much). Drakan11
Clearly you have absolutely no idea how a set of computer hardware renders data. The PS3's GPU is only capable of so much quality... and once it hits that barrier, no amount of excess data will improve the visuals. Having a bigger disc with more data on it doesn't make a game look better.
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#232 foxhound_fox
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Not Castlevania, Final Fantasy or Assassins Creed: Brotherhood. Drakan11
Mass Effect 2, Bayonetta (markedly better), Vanquish, Red Dead Redemption and Just Cause 2 for 360... just from 2010.
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#233 HuusAsking
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I think 360 does hold back multiplats. With all the space on blu-ray, devs could easily turn a normal 8GB and beef up the textures + sound and make it 16GB-20GB. Instead they keep it at the normal size so the versions are the same, and so 360 doesn't need 3 discs to play 1 game. Plus they are simply lazy (for good reason, that is a lot of work, and probably not worth the effort if the PS3 version isn't even going to sell as much). Drakan11
That's more a function of RAM limitations (which are practically the same for both consoles). Remember, the scene has to fit in the memory.
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#234 waltefmoney
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Drakan11"]I think 360 does hold back multiplats. With all the space on blu-ray, devs could easily turn a normal 8GB and beef up the textures + sound and make it 16GB-20GB. Instead they keep it at the normal size so the versions are the same, and so 360 doesn't need 3 discs to play 1 game. Plus they are simply lazy (for good reason, that is a lot of work, and probably not worth the effort if the PS3 version isn't even going to sell as much). Drakan11

They're not the same.. the majority of multiplats look and perform better on 360 :lol:

Not Castlevania, Final Fantasy or Assassins Creed: Brotherhood.

I thought Assassins Creed Brotherhood was better on 360. :?

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#235 Drakan11
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I thought Assassins Creed Brotherhood was better on 360. :?

waltefmoney

Lol.

That said, Brotherhood really looks the part, with a step up in the graphics department – particularly on PS3, and a massive and varied city to explore.IGN

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#236 waltefmoney
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

I thought Assassins Creed Brotherhood was better on 360. :?

Drakan11

Lol.

That said, Brotherhood really looks the part, with a step up in the graphics department – particularly on PS3, and a massive and varied city to explore.IGN

IGN is definitely a more credible source than Lens of Truth and especially DigitalFoundry. I mean, who needs in-depth analysis when you can just quote a single line.

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[QUOTE="Drakan11"]Not Castlevania, Final Fantasy or Assassins Creed: Brotherhood. foxhound_fox
Mass Effect 2, Bayonetta (markedly better), Vanquish, Red Dead Redemption and Just Cause 2 for 360... just from 2010.

no no no no.

Vanquish is the same on the ps3 and 360, BUT the 360 version has screen tearing. so the ps3 version is actually better.

Mass effect 2 is the same, the only review that I've seen that marks the ps3 version as inferior is the gamespot review. (and it wasn't because of graphics, it was just buggier) Let's wait until lens of truth.

and Just Cause 2 runs the *same* on both platforms.

How did you come to these conclusions?

Agree with RDR and bayonetta though.

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#238 ironcreed
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The 360 definitely has the edge in terms of multiplats looking better. Especially when they are ported from the 360 to the PS3. However, when we start looking at exclusives that are built to the strengths of the hardware of each, it tells a different story. I own both consoles and I have not played one 360 exclusive yet that can touch the likes of Killzone or Uncharted on the technical level.

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#239 Drakan11
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Drakan11"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Lol.

That said, Brotherhood really looks the part, with a step up in the graphics department – particularly on PS3, and a massive and varied city to explore.IGN

IGN is definitely a more credible source than Lens of Truth and especially DigitalFoundry. I mean, who needs in-depth analysis when you can just quote a single line.

Lol. Nice argument. "Mine is credible and yours isn't". Trolling just doesn't suit you. You aren't good at it.
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Drakan11"]Not Castlevania, Final Fantasy or Assassins Creed: Brotherhood. theuncharted34

Mass Effect 2, Bayonetta (markedly better), Vanquish, Red Dead Redemption and Just Cause 2 for 360... just from 2010.

no no no no.

Vanquish is the same on the ps3 and 360, BUT the 360 version has screen tearing. so the ps3 version is actually better.

Mass effect 2 is the same, the only review that I've seen that marks the ps3 version as inferior is the gamespot review. (and it wasn't because of graphics, it was just buggier) Let's wait until lens of truth.

and Just Cause 2 runs the *same* on both platforms.

How did you come to these conclusions?

Agree with RDR and bayonetta though.

Yeah most of the game he listed there ran the same on both systems.... I did read that vanquish was slightly better on the PS3, but I usually just see it as them being even. Not many will be able to tell the difference anyways.

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#241 Drakan11
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[QUOTE="Drakan11"]I think 360 does hold back multiplats. With all the space on blu-ray, devs could easily turn a normal 8GB and beef up the textures + sound and make it 16GB-20GB. Instead they keep it at the normal size so the versions are the same, and so 360 doesn't need 3 discs to play 1 game. Plus they are simply lazy (for good reason, that is a lot of work, and probably not worth the effort if the PS3 version isn't even going to sell as much). foxhound_fox
Clearly you have absolutely no idea how a set of computer hardware renders data. The PS3's GPU is only capable of so much quality... and once it hits that barrier, no amount of excess data will improve the visuals. Having a bigger disc with more data on it doesn't make a game look better.

Where did you get your degree? That isn't even close to being accurate.
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#242 waltefmoney
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no no no no.

Vanquish is the same on the ps3 and 360, BUT the 360 version has screen tearing. so the ps3 version is actually better.

Mass effect 2 is the same, the only review that I've seen that marks the ps3 version as inferior is the gamespot review. (and it wasn't because of graphics, it was just buggier) Let's wait until lens of truth.

and Just Cause 2 runs the *same* on both platforms.

How did you come to these conclusions?

Agree with RDR and bayonetta though.

theuncharted34

Just Cause 2

"There's little doubt that it's Xbox 360 owners that get a smoother, clearer game."

Mass Effect 2

"Technologically it still feels like the Xbox 360 version has the edge"

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#243 waltefmoney
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Lol. Nice argument. "Mine is credible and yours isn't". Trolling just doesn't suit you. You aren't good at it. Drakan11

I'm not trolling, I'm just showing you a more credible source that does an in-depth analysis of the games versus you quoting a single line from an IGN review.

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#244 JTH_22
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Killzone 3 should be a monster of a game. I loved 2 and can't wait to get my hands on this!

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#245 foxhound_fox
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Where did you get your degree? That isn't even close to being accurate. Drakan11
It doesn't take a degree, or even an education to understand how computer hardware works. You can read up about it online... and I think anyone who knows anything about graphics processing will tell you that a bigger disc and more content on that disc doesn't make a game look better. It is limited by the capabilities of the GPU and the total system RAM (both main and video). Where did you get your degree?
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#246 Hexagon_777
Member since 2007 • 20348 Posts
So how much of that consists of assets that had to be copied several times throughout the game to compensate for the slow disc drive?
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#247 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

no no no no.

Vanquish is the same on the ps3 and 360, BUT the 360 version has screen tearing. so the ps3 version is actually better.

Mass effect 2 is the same, the only review that I've seen that marks the ps3 version as inferior is the gamespot review. (and it wasn't because of graphics, it was just buggier) Let's wait until lens of truth.

and Just Cause 2 runs the *same* on both platforms.

How did you come to these conclusions?

Agree with RDR and bayonetta though.

waltefmoney

Just Cause 2

"There's little doubt that it's Xbox 360 owners that get a smoother, clearer game."

Mass Effect 2

"Technologically it still feels like the Xbox 360 version has the edge"

Just cause 2 looks like a tie to me.

And I'll wait for lens of truth for mass effect 2.

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#248 waltefmoney
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Just Cause 2

"There's little doubt that it's Xbox 360 owners that get a smoother, clearer game."

Mass Effect 2

"Technologically it still feels like the Xbox 360 version has the edge"

theuncharted34

Just cause 2 looks like a tie to me.

And I'll wait for lens of truth for mass effect 2.

You can wait for whatever you wish, but you should know that DigitalFoundry are regarded as the more accurate and in-depth source.

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#249 Lto_thaG
Member since 2006 • 22611 Posts

40+ gigs of suckage.

Lol.

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#250 Drakan11
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[QUOTE="Drakan11"]Lol. Nice argument. "Mine is credible and yours isn't". Trolling just doesn't suit you. You aren't good at it. waltefmoney

I'm not trolling, I'm just showing you a more credible source that does an in-depth analysis of the games versus you quoting a single line from an IGN review.

Yea, so credible. That is why my PS3 version of Brotherhood looked nothing like the one they showed in that video. They obviously cranked up the brightness.