Killzone dev reacts to **** fanboy comment

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=killzone2&thread.id=32&view=by_date_ascending&page=169

CowboyJunkie wrote:
Well...I think Killzone lost the battle for best PS3 upcoming game. "Eight Days" won!

http://www.ps3informer.com/playstation-3/news/intel-8-days-looks-
better-than-killzone-2-will-be-awesome-008730.php

And it's funny to say that there's no HYPE over Killzone 2. Since the FALSE E3 2005 trailer, there's a hype...and now, when everybody knows Killzone 2 WON'T get the level of E3 2005 trailer, so the devs say "THERE'S NO HYPE OVER KILLZONE 2, KILLZONE 2 WILL BE A GOOD GAME , AS MANY OTHERS". It's more comfortable to think like that and that is a way to answer the "failure" of the final product, (in comparison with E3 trailer, about being the defitinive game pf PS3).

Shame.

Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.Wasdie

cba to read it,give me the main point plz

wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.

what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.ukillwegrill

cba to read it,give me the main point plz

How hard is it to read it? It took me a whole minute, you probably wasted more time posting and waiting for somebody to sum it up rather than just reading it yourself.

wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.

what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)

3picuri3

I think his response was well written.

Let me ask you something. Let's say that you work on something for many years. Obviously you will be proud of what you have done so far and you feel confident that what you have done might be the best or one of the best products out there.

And than all of a sodden a guy comes around who porbably knows nothing about game development and starts to bash your product and starts to say that this other one is better......now how would you feel???

Ya know I'm sure every dev at GDC would say the same thing. Fanboys just don't exist in that world. They're people doing what they love and hopefully the games come out good.

Then you got the fanboys on the sidelines blowing everything out of proportion.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.

what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)

NathanDrake

I think his response was well written.

Let me ask you something. Let's say that you work on something for many years. Obviously you will be proud of what you have done so far and you feel confident that what you have done might be the best or one of the best products out there.

And than all of a sodden a guy comes around who porbably knows nothing about game development and starts to bash your product and starts to say that this other one is better......now how would you feel???

Exactly the point. The guy knows nothing about development,he's just a kid fanboy. The fact that the developer even considered responding to that is a bit astonishing. Games get bashed every day,devs should know this.

He just demonstrated unprofessionalism in my opinion.

That was stupid for the dev to react like that. Come on,it's just a stupid fanboy bashing the game,hundreds of people do that everyday. I think he just made himself look worse by making a big scene rather than just ignoring it.stephant_6

He was very well spoken. Worse? He seemed really humble about KZ2 and owned the fanboy as well. Looks good to me.

He was very well spoken. Worse? He seemed really humble about KZ2 and owned the fanboy as well. Looks good to me. Bread_or_Decide

"Then, during E3 2007, in front of the majority of the gaming journalist press we released a trailer of Pre-Alpha code running and demonstrated a PLAYABLE Killzone 2 that stunned the industry. If you know me at all from watching me answer questions you know that I'm not prone to hyperbole in the slightest. The quotes coming from those sessions included 'jaw dropping', 'amazing', 'stunning' and 'a complete vindication'. Notwithstanding that, you decide that the E3 2007 sessions failed - a completely reversed opinion from just about everyone who saw it running or played it. What you say 'everybody' knows is something that almost nobody believes."

That doesn't look humble to me.

Killzone 2 is IMO definatly one of the worst looking shooters coming, the textures are HORRIBLE and textures are non exostent at all in most things, the new Aliens shooter, Project offset, Far Cry 2, Crysis puts those graphics to last last gen shame

On top of that, KZ2 seems like one of the most boring and linear shooters ever created, a game that i would think twice before i owuld ever rent

Killzone 2 is IMO definatly one of the worst looking shooters coming, the textures are HORRIBLE and textures are non exostent at all in most things, the new Aliens shooter, Project offset, Far Cry 2, Crysis puts those graphics to last last gen shamesaolin323

And Fable 2 puts all of those games to shame as well,right? :roll:

Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.Wasdie

How so? He basically gave more attention to some braindead teenager than was warranted. A better response is to just make a kick ass game and then let that speak for you.

I said the same thing about Dyack, Jaffe and anyone else dumb enough to stoop to an internet forum fanboy's level.

You are supposed to be making a game, why are you wasting time with this nonsense? It's moronic. You aren't owning anyone but yourself.

[QUOTE="saolin323"]Killzone 2 is IMO definatly one of the worst looking shooters coming, the textures are HORRIBLE and textures are non exostent at all in most things, the new Aliens shooter, Project offset, Far Cry 2, Crysis puts those graphics to last last gen shamestephant_6

And Fable 2 puts all of those games to shame as well,right? :roll:

Yes, Fable 2 is 100x bigger in levels than KZ2, has 1000x more detial like grasses, trees, and not only flat empty grounds like Uncharted empty game, and vast cities etc

Killxzone 2 looks like a joke comparing IMO

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]He was very well spoken. Worse? He seemed really humble about KZ2 and owned the fanboy as well. Looks good to me. Forza_2

"Then, during E3 2007, in front of the majority of the gaming journalist press we released a trailer of Pre-Alpha code running and demonstrated a PLAYABLE Killzone 2 that stunned the industry. If you know me at all from watching me answer questions you know that I'm not prone to hyperbole in the slightest. The quotes coming from those sessions included 'jaw dropping', 'amazing', 'stunning' and 'a complete vindication'. Notwithstanding that, you decide that the E3 2007 sessions failed - a completely reversed opinion from just about everyone who saw it running or played it. What you say 'everybody' knows is something that almost nobody believes."

That doesn't look humble to me.

People were impressed with the first real footage from KZ2. He's stating the factual reaction to the footage. He's right and stated it rather clearly and yes humbly. The fanboy said it failed. He's proving him wrong.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.heretrix

How so? He basically gave more attention to some braindead teenager than was warranted. A better response is to just make a kick ass game and then let that speak for you.

I said the same thing about Dyack, Jaffe and anyone else dumb enough to stoop to an internet forum fanboy's level.

You are supposed to be making a game, why are you wasting time with this nonsense? It's moronic. You aren't owning anyone but yourself.

Good to see someone else understands.

wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.

what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)

3picuri3

That was stupid for the dev to react like that. Come on,it's just a stupid fanboy bashing the game,hundreds of people do that everyday. I think he just made himself look worse by making a big scene rather than just ignoring it.stephant_6

This isn't just any dev on any game. this is a dev on Killzone 2. A game that has had a TON of buzz with it. And a ton of haters just waiting for its fall. A game that has had misquotes and misconceptions climbing all over it from fanboys. I don't think him making this statement was "stupid" or "unprofessional."

And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.heretrix

How so? He basically gave more attention to some braindead teenager than was warranted. A better response is to just make a kick ass game and then let that speak for you.

I said the same thing about Dyack, Jaffe and anyone else dumb enough to stoop to an internet forum fanboy's level.

You are supposed to be making a game, why are you wasting time with this nonsense? It's moronic. You aren't owning anyone but yourself.

You know their just people like everyone else. Sometimes you want to answer your critics.

People were impressed with the first real footage from KZ2. He's stating the factual reaction to the footage. He's right and stated it rather clearly and yes humbly. The fanboy said it failed. He's proving him wrong. Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.

what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)

The_Crucible

That was stupid for the dev to react like that. Come on,it's just a stupid fanboy bashing the game,hundreds of people do that everyday. I think he just made himself look worse by making a big scene rather than just ignoring it.stephant_6

This isn't just any dev on any game. this is a dev on Killzone 2. A game that has had a TON of buzz with it. And a ton of haters just waiting for its fall. A game that has had misquotes and misconceptions climbing all over it from fanboys. I don't think him making this statement was "stupid" or "unprofessional."

And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.

When a dev stoops so low as to make a long reply to an angry internet fanboy,that says something. As the guy a few posts above me said,let the game speak for itself.

Killzone 2 is IMO definatly one of the worst looking shooters coming, the textures are HORRIBLE and textures are non exostent at all in most things, the new Aliens shooter, Project offset, Far Cry 2, Crysis puts those graphics to last last gen shame

On top of that, KZ2 seems like one of the most boring and linear shooters ever created, a game that i would think twice before i owuld ever rent

saolin323

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.

what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)

The_Crucible

That was stupid for the dev to react like that. Come on,it's just a stupid fanboy bashing the game,hundreds of people do that everyday. I think he just made himself look worse by making a big scene rather than just ignoring it.stephant_6

This isn't just any dev on any game. this is a dev on Killzone 2. A game that has had a TON of buzz with it. And a ton of haters just waiting for its fall. A game that has had misquotes and misconceptions climbing all over it from fanboys. I don't think him making this statement was "stupid" or "unprofessional."

And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.

THANK YOU!

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.Bread_or_Decide

How so? He basically gave more attention to some braindead teenager than was warranted. A better response is to just make a kick ass game and then let that speak for you.

I said the same thing about Dyack, Jaffe and anyone else dumb enough to stoop to an internet forum fanboy's level.

You are supposed to be making a game, why are you wasting time with this nonsense? It's moronic. You aren't owning anyone but yourself.

You know their just people like everyone else. Sometimes you want to answer your critics.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]People were impressed with the first real footage from KZ2. He's stating the factual reaction to the footage. He's right and stated it rather clearly and yes humbly. The fanboy said it failed. He's proving him wrong. Forza_2

Well but hes not incorrect in his assessment of the reaction to the footage. After all the crap about the fake E3 trailer they earned their bragging rights if you ask me.

[QUOTE="NathanDrake"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.

what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)

stephant_6

I think his response was well written.

Let me ask you something. Let's say that you work on something for many years. Obviously you will be proud of what you have done so far and you feel confident that what you have done might be the best or one of the best products out there.

And than all of a sodden a guy comes around who porbably knows nothing about game development and starts to bash your product and starts to say that this other one is better......now how would you feel???

Exactly the point. The guy knows nothing about development,he's just a kid fanboy. The fact that the developer even considered responding to that is a bit astonishing. Games get bashed every day,devs should know this.

He just demonstrated unprofessionalism in my opinion.

How is it unproffesional to state the truth? I agree that I'm surprised he bothered to answer, but I in know way think it unproffesional.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.heretrix

How so? He basically gave more attention to some braindead teenager than was warranted. A better response is to just make a kick ass game and then let that speak for you.

I said the same thing about Dyack, Jaffe and anyone else dumb enough to stoop to an internet forum fanboy's level.

You are supposed to be making a game, why are you wasting time with this nonsense? It's moronic. You aren't owning anyone but yourself.

You know their just people like everyone else. Sometimes you want to answer your critics.

Well maybe he had a weak moment and the fanboy got the best of him. Who knows. Its not the end of the world.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.

what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)

The_Crucible

That was stupid for the dev to react like that. Come on,it's just a stupid fanboy bashing the game,hundreds of people do that everyday. I think he just made himself look worse by making a big scene rather than just ignoring it.stephant_6

This isn't just any dev on any game. this is a dev on Killzone 2. A game that has had a TON of buzz with it. And a ton of haters just waiting for its fall. A game that has had misquotes and misconceptions climbing all over it from fanboys. I don't think him making this statement was "stupid" or "unprofessional."

And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.

nothing of what you said rationalizes the childish antics he just aptly demonstrated. ends do not justify means, or vice versa.

he's in the Jaffe box right now, him and Jaffe can cry about Calling All Cars. maybe Jeff Minter can join them and rag on reviewers for not getting their pretentious games.

in the industry your work speaks for itself - killzone one certainly did that. time for him to try again and shut up when it comes to reacting to what he thinks are 'fanboys'. he wont impress anyone except a few 12 year olds that think thats the way to act.

i love how you always resorts to straw-man arguments Crucible. it makes winning argument against you easy :P like this has anything to do with the PS3 being bashed. ffs, get some perspective. learn to argue without bringing the straw-man in.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.Bread_or_Decide

How so? He basically gave more attention to some braindead teenager than was warranted. A better response is to just make a kick ass game and then let that speak for you.

I said the same thing about Dyack, Jaffe and anyone else dumb enough to stoop to an internet forum fanboy's level.

You are supposed to be making a game, why are you wasting time with this nonsense? It's moronic. You aren't owning anyone but yourself.

You know their just people like everyone else. Sometimes you want to answer your critics.

Well maybe he had a weak moment and the fanboy got the best of him. Who knows. Its not the end of the world.

And thats why I view him as unprofessional.

Haha, he reacted like this is something new, but the fanboy deserves it.

Only some rumors from a weak source and the fanboy started to jump in conclusions.

I think the timing for the response is right on.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.

what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)

stephant_6

That was stupid for the dev to react like that. Come on,it's just a stupid fanboy bashing the game,hundreds of people do that everyday. I think he just made himself look worse by making a big scene rather than just ignoring it.stephant_6

This isn't just any dev on any game. this is a dev on Killzone 2. A game that has had a TON of buzz with it. And a ton of haters just waiting for its fall. A game that has had misquotes and misconceptions climbing all over it from fanboys. I don't think him making this statement was "stupid" or "unprofessional."

And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.

When a dev stoops so low as to make a long reply to an angry internet fanboy,that says something. As the guy a few posts above me said,let the game speak for itself.

Just out of curiosity how is posting on an internet forum stooping so low (for a dev, obviously you don't hold this opinion for the rest of the human race)? I would really like to know because it will decide wether I think you are wrong/ignorant or just spiteful/fanboyish.

And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.

The_Crucible

Here's the thing...Valve has proven themselves BEYOND ANY DOUBT. The Half Life series, Steam, Team Fortress are highly regarded software EVERYWHERE. Guitar Hero is a billion dollar franchise. Harmonix then goes on to make freakin' Rock Band (Huge Success)....Of course they can talk crap and people will listen. THEY'VE EARNED IT.

Guerilla?

Hello? Anyone? Bueller?

They have a lot to prove. And taking down some internet fanboy ain't the way to do it. Just make a fantastic game and your work will speak for itself...Usually.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.

what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)

3picuri3

That was stupid for the dev to react like that. Come on,it's just a stupid fanboy bashing the game,hundreds of people do that everyday. I think he just made himself look worse by making a big scene rather than just ignoring it.stephant_6

This isn't just any dev on any game. this is a dev on Killzone 2. A game that has had a TON of buzz with it. And a ton of haters just waiting for its fall. A game that has had misquotes and misconceptions climbing all over it from fanboys. I don't think him making this statement was "stupid" or "unprofessional."

And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.

nothing of what you said rationalizes the childish antics he just aptly demonstrated. ends do not justify means, or vice versa.

he's in the Jaffe box right now, him and Jaffe can cry about Calling All Cars. maybe Jeff Minter can join them and rag on reviewers for not getting their pretentious games.

in the industry your work speaks for itself - killzone one certainly did that. time for him to try again and shut up when it comes to reacting to what he thinks are 'fanboys'. he wont impress anyone except a few 12 year olds that think thats the way to act.

I think if we compared the Jaffe comments to this guy's, you'd see the differences.

"Childish"??? read the comments again. He wasn't name-calling, he wasn't just writing angry thoughts. It was a well thought-out and PROFESSIONAL response to all of the nay-sayers. And there have been very many.

Sure he can let the work speak for itself. But you can't tell me hype can't help or hurt a game. We all know what pre-release hype can do. And with all of the negativity surrounding KZ2 (in these threads it gets placed with Lair), its looking like the bad hype may hurt the game initially. Hence, why he wrote the post.

Guess what? You don't like his comments, don't buy his game. My guess is, you weren't going to buy it anyway.

And thats why I view him as unprofessional.

stephant_6

Yeah typical system wars double standards. Devs can't defend themselves but they sure are allowed to take alot of crap from naysayers.

This is just the typical; bashing sony for every little thing.

I think if we compared the Jaffe comments to this guy's, you'd see the differences.

"Childish"??? read the comments again. He wasn't name-calling, he wasn't just writing angry thoughts. It was a well thought-out and PROFESSIONAL response to all of the nay-sayers. And there have been very many.

Sure he can let the work speak for itself. But you can't tell me hype can't help or hurt a game. We all know what pre-release hype can do. And with all of the negativity surrounding KZ2 (in these threads it gets placed with Lair), its looking like the bad hype may hurt the game initially. Hence, why he wrote the post.

Guess what? You don't like his comments, don't buy his game. My guess is, you weren't going to buy it anyway.

The_Crucible

well thought out angry thoughts. not childish. right.

i'm done here crucible, have fun defending this twit.

Wow a dev make one post defending his game in a really polite and inoffensive way then suddenly hes deemed arrogant and unproffesional.

What a lovely community the gaming industry is!!

[QUOTE="saolin323"]

Killzone 2 is IMO definatly one of the worst looking shooters coming, the textures are HORRIBLE and textures are non exostent at all in most things, the new Aliens shooter, Project offset, Far Cry 2, Crysis puts those graphics to last last gen shame

On top of that, KZ2 seems like one of the most boring and linear shooters ever created, a game that i would think twice before i owuld ever rent

Tiefster

Most shooters are linear, so far from ALL KZ2 videos, this is one of the MOST linear shooters ever created though

The graphics are not finished, but look mediocre, Aliens graphics are not finished but look 2 generations ahead, so why hype KZ2, i do not give a crap about yet another more of the sam linear shooter, that can't even compare to the worst graphically ?

Project Offset is PC/360, that is CONFIRMED !!! Far Cry 2 also looks like day and night better than KZ2, the game simply is one of the worst looking upcoming next gen titles, any gae with a minimal shader coating looks vastly better than that

Also, to nake those graphics look better would take some more years, how far away is that game ? When is its release date, late 2015 ?

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.Bread_or_Decide

How so? He basically gave more attention to some braindead teenager than was warranted. A better response is to just make a kick ass game and then let that speak for you.

I said the same thing about Dyack, Jaffe and anyone else dumb enough to stoop to an internet forum fanboy's level.

You are supposed to be making a game, why are you wasting time with this nonsense? It's moronic. You aren't owning anyone but yourself.

You know their just people like everyone else. Sometimes you want to answer your critics.

Well maybe he had a weak moment and the fanboy got the best of him. Who knows. Its not the end of the world.

[QUOTE="stephant_6"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.

what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)

GIJames248

That was stupid for the dev to react like that. Come on,it's just a stupid fanboy bashing the game,hundreds of people do that everyday. I think he just made himself look worse by making a big scene rather than just ignoring it.stephant_6

This isn't just any dev on any game. this is a dev on Killzone 2. A game that has had a TON of buzz with it. And a ton of haters just waiting for its fall. A game that has had misquotes and misconceptions climbing all over it from fanboys. I don't think him making this statement was "stupid" or "unprofessional."

And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.

When a dev stoops so low as to make a long reply to an angry internet fanboy,that says something. As the guy a few posts above me said,let the game speak for itself.

Just out of curiosity how is posting on an internet forum stooping so low (for a dev, obviously you don't hold this opinion for the rest of the human race)? I would really like to know because it will decide wether I think you are wrong/ignorant or just spiteful/fanboyish.

Oh don't get me wrong,I'm no fanboy. I own a PS3 and I'm hoping for all the best with Killzone 2. I'm just a bit dissapointed to see the proffesional dev that he is supposed to be,actually reply with a long post to some kid fanboy on an internet forum.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.

heretrix

Here's the thing...Valve has proven themselves BEYOND ANY DOUBT. The Half Life series, Steam, Team Fortress are highly regarded software EVERYWHERE. Guitar Hero is a billion dollar franchise. Harmonix then goes on to make freakin' Rock Band (Huge Success)....Of course they can talk crap and people will listen. THEY'VE EARNED IT.

Guerilla?

Hello? Anyone? Bueller?

They have a lot to prove. And taking down some internet fanboy ain't the way to do it. Just make a fantastic game and your work will speak for itself...Usually.

Right. Yeah, Valve is real respectable this gen. Take a last gen game, port it to 360 and PS3. Take Team Fortress, put it on 360 and PS3 and have it run like crap. Take Portal, (the only REAL good thing to come from Orange Box) and they didn't even create it. Tell me why they have earned my respect as a PS3 owner? By giving the already weak porting to EA? Maybe I'm missing something.

Oh, Guitar hero. yeah, it sells like hotcakes. But tell me where those games push console limits. Tell me how a dev of a game like Guitar Hero knows more about how to work with the PS3 than, let's say, Epic? Tell me a dev on Guitar Hero has really pushed console limitations.

Oh don't get me wrong,I'm no fanboy. I own a PS3 and I'm hoping for all the best with Killzone 2. I'm just a bit dissapointed to see the proffesional dev that he is supposed to be,actually reply with a long post to some kid fanboy on an internet forum.

stephant_6

Ok, in that case we just have very different expectations of devs, and I will let the matter rest since it has now become opinion.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.

The_Crucible

Here's the thing...Valve has proven themselves BEYOND ANY DOUBT. The Half Life series, Steam, Team Fortress are highly regarded software EVERYWHERE. Guitar Hero is a billion dollar franchise. Harmonix then goes on to make freakin' Rock Band (Huge Success)....Of course they can talk crap and people will listen. THEY'VE EARNED IT.

Guerilla?

Hello? Anyone? Bueller?

They have a lot to prove. And taking down some internet fanboy ain't the way to do it. Just make a fantastic game and your work will speak for itself...Usually.

Right. Yeah, Valve is real respectable this gen. Take a last gen game, port it to 360 and PS3. Take Team Fortress, put it on 360 and PS3 and have it run like crap. Take Portal, (the only REAL good thing to come from Orange Box) and they didn't even create it. Tell me why they have earned my respect as a PS3 owner? By giving the already weak porting to EA? Maybe I'm missing something.

Oh, Guitar hero. yeah, it sells like hotcakes. But tell me where those games push console limits. Tell me how a dev of a game like Guitar Hero knows more about how to work with the PS3 than, let's say, Epic? Tell me a dev on Guitar Hero has really pushed console limitations.

That was uncalled for. Angry that your console version of the OB sucked? The Orange Box on PC is porbably the finest game to be released this year. Valve sticks with PC's for a reason.

Wow a dev make one post defending his game in a really polite and inoffensive way then suddenly hes deemed arrogant and unproffesional.

What a lovely community the gaming industry is!!

James567

You can spot the fanboys by the ones blowing this out of proportion.

*stars counting fanboys*

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.

The_Crucible

Here's the thing...Valve has proven themselves BEYOND ANY DOUBT. The Half Life series, Steam, Team Fortress are highly regarded software EVERYWHERE. Guitar Hero is a billion dollar franchise. Harmonix then goes on to make freakin' Rock Band (Huge Success)....Of course they can talk crap and people will listen. THEY'VE EARNED IT.

Guerilla?

Hello? Anyone? Bueller?

They have a lot to prove. And taking down some internet fanboy ain't the way to do it. Just make a fantastic game and your work will speak for itself...Usually.

Right. Yeah, Valve is real respectable this gen. Take a last gen game, port it to 360 and PS3. Take Team Fortress, put it on 360 and PS3 and have it run like crap. Take Portal, (the only REAL good thing to come from Orange Box) and they didn't even create it. Tell me why they have earned my respect as a PS3 owner? By giving the already weak porting to EA? Maybe I'm missing something.

Oh, Guitar hero. yeah, it sells like hotcakes. But tell me where those games push console limits. Tell me how a dev of a game like Guitar Hero knows more about how to work with the PS3 than, let's say, Epic? Tell me a dev on Guitar Hero has really pushed console limitations.

blame EA for the horrible ps3 port.