Kinect 1 million sold in a week and a half.
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your right, theres quite a few folks on my facebook friends lists mentioning kinect, some have it, some have been to try it and really enjoyed it. its creating a lot more fuss than the move did IMO.[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Sure but my post was talking about kinect specifically. Btw i personally think people wont care for a wii clone and are looking for something new.
Blaze-Agent
500 million dollars says hi. Ofcourse it will. Move is not postioned as a new platform launch but as an add-on. Less risk. High reward. Kinect on the other hand is High Risk. High Reward. When you bombard facebook with Kinect Ads how will people not notice it? A wii clone thats been proving is good for gamers. Thats like saying people will not care for analog sticks because nintendo did it first.
You and a bunch of others have been ranting the same thing over and over, why? Are you guys bitter that kinect is getting more support than move? Thats the whole point in advertising. You spend to put ads up to generate interest, some will buy some dont. Not sure why you are trying to downplay a vital part of marketing a new product. 1 mil mind blowing? no its not, its not bad either. Considering that its been out for 10 days, with the holidays coming plus the rate at which its sellling i can see this in the 4-5 mil by the end of the year
http://n4g.com/news/647967/eurogamer-kinect-doubles-uk-xbox-sales/com
Haters might want to stay away from this article, you wont like this.
Eurogamer: Kinect doubles UK Xbox sales
Sales of Xbox 360 in the UK doubled last week off the back of the launch of Kinect, Eurogamer has learnt. The spike was confirmed this afternoon by sales monitor Chart-Track, a spokesperson stating that, while specific figures could not be revealed, it was "more than a fair reflection" to say the figure was double that of the previous week.
If you ask me, everything about the PS3 is a sales failure$500 mil on advertising, pretty fail sales if you ask me.
supdotcom
you know something is up when your wife calls you in the morning and tells you she is getting fitness evolved, regadless to say she loves it and says its responsive and its very easy to use. So much for those who said it wouldnt work and be a huge failure, my archives have a ton of people saying it wouldnt work because of unusable lag. Guess NOT
For 4 years, 360 fans have been saying that the headstart argument is irrelevant, that total sales are what matter, but now you say it isn't fair to say Move has sold more, because it has been out longer, and we should wait and compare Kinect's first month to Move's first month? So I suppose now you think we should just compare 360's first 4 years to PS3's first 4 years? I mean, if MS didn't want Sony to have a lead, they should've launched Kinect earlier, right?[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]
[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]
I think what he means is that you're comparing the first 10 days of US sales and the first 5 days of EU sales Kinect got to the first month sales Move got from the EU and US respectivly
ohthemanatee
I think that you're comparing apples and oranges, i'm not denying the fact that Kinect is in last place, I am however saying that you are comparing how much kinect sold in 10 days to how much move sold a month
every year we do a year on year comparison between both platforms, we don't compare one year for the xbox 360 versus two quarters for the PS3
what i'm saying is, compare the first month of kinect sales to the first month of Move sales and then we'll see, i'm not however denying the fact that Kinect is still 1.5 million units behind move
but nice reaching you did there though
Every quarter when the 360's 3 month sales falls short of the ps3s, the answer is, "360 is still ahead." What I'm saying is, the only reason the 360 is still ahead, is that people are comparing 4 years of sales to 5. How's that different? You are saying Move is only in the lead cause it launched first, and it's unfair to compare different lengths of time. Sure. Same for 360, but for the past 4 years whenever the "PS3 has outsold 360 over the same length of time" type threads have popped up, the resounding reply has been "Doesn't matter, 360 is ahead, It's Sony's fault for launching late." Therefore, my response to "You're comparing 10 days to a month" is "Doesn't matter, Move is still ahead. It's MS's fault for launching later."[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]
[QUOTE="sts106mat"] your right, theres quite a few folks on my facebook friends lists mentioning kinect, some have it, some have been to try it and really enjoyed it. its creating a lot more fuss than the move did IMO. Deadbeatcobra
500 million dollars says hi. Ofcourse it will. Move is not postioned as a new platform launch but as an add-on. Less risk. High reward. Kinect on the other hand is High Risk. High Reward. When you bombard facebook with Kinect Ads how will people not notice it? A wii clone thats been proving is good for gamers. Thats like saying people will not care for analog sticks because nintendo did it first.
You and a bunch of others have been ranting the same thing over and over, why? Are you guys bitter that kinect is getting more support than move? Thats the whole point in advertising. You spend to put ads up to generate interest, some will buy some dont. Not sure why you are trying to downplay a vital part of marketing a new product. 1 mil mind blowing? no its not, its not bad either. Considering that its been out for 10 days, with the holidays coming plus the rate at which its sellling i can see this in the 4-5 mil by the end of the yearthey are the same people that said it would fail and wouldnt work because of LAG. They never played it and now the spotlight is on them so they are defensive. THey know they lost the debate with me so this is what they have to revert too. Great post btw
[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]
[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]For 4 years, 360 fans have been saying that the headstart argument is irrelevant, that total sales are what matter, but now you say it isn't fair to say Move has sold more, because it has been out longer, and we should wait and compare Kinect's first month to Move's first month? So I suppose now you think we should just compare 360's first 4 years to PS3's first 4 years? I mean, if MS didn't want Sony to have a lead, they should've launched Kinect earlier, right?
ianuilliam
I think that you're comparing apples and oranges, i'm not denying the fact that Kinect is in last place, I am however saying that you are comparing how much kinect sold in 10 days to how much move sold a month
every year we do a year on year comparison between both platforms, we don't compare one year for the xbox 360 versus two quarters for the PS3
what i'm saying is, compare the first month of kinect sales to the first month of Move sales and then we'll see, i'm not however denying the fact that Kinect is still 1.5 million units behind move
but nice reaching you did there though
Every quarter when the 360's 3 month sales falls short of the ps3s, the answer is, "360 is still ahead." What I'm saying is, the only reason the 360 is still ahead, is that people are comparing 4 years of sales to 5. How's that different? You are saying Move is only in the lead cause it launched first, and it's unfair to compare different lengths of time. Sure. Same for 360, but for the past 4 years whenever the "PS3 has outsold 360 over the same length of time" type threads have popped up, the resounding reply has been "Doesn't matter, 360 is ahead, It's Sony's fault for launching late." Therefore, my response to "You're comparing 10 days to a month" is "Doesn't matter, Move is still ahead. It's MS's fault for launching later." Hmm you actually have a point there.did I deny the fact that Move is still ahead? :|Every quarter when the 360's 3 month sales falls short of the ps3s, the answer is, "360 is still ahead." What I'm saying is, the only reason the 360 is still ahead, is that people are comparing 4 years of sales to 5. How's that different?ianuilliam
You are saying Move is only in the lead cause it launched first, and it's unfair to compare different lengths of time. ianuilliamI said no such thing
Sure. Same for 360, but for the past 4 years whenever the "PS3 has outsold 360 over the same length of time" type threads have popped up, the resounding reply has been "Doesn't matter, 360 is ahead, It's Sony's fault for launching late." Therefore, my response to "You're comparing 10 days to a month" is "Doesn't matter, Move is still ahead. It's MS's fault for launching later."ianuilliam
again, I said no such thing quit reaching
[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]
[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]For 4 years, 360 fans have been saying that the headstart argument is irrelevant, that total sales are what matter, but now you say it isn't fair to say Move has sold more, because it has been out longer, and we should wait and compare Kinect's first month to Move's first month? So I suppose now you think we should just compare 360's first 4 years to PS3's first 4 years? I mean, if MS didn't want Sony to have a lead, they should've launched Kinect earlier, right?
ianuilliam
I think that you're comparing apples and oranges, i'm not denying the fact that Kinect is in last place, I am however saying that you are comparing how much kinect sold in 10 days to how much move sold a month
every year we do a year on year comparison between both platforms, we don't compare one year for the xbox 360 versus two quarters for the PS3
what i'm saying is, compare the first month of kinect sales to the first month of Move sales and then we'll see, i'm not however denying the fact that Kinect is still 1.5 million units behind move
but nice reaching you did there though
Every quarter when the 360's 3 month sales falls short of the ps3s, the answer is, "360 is still ahead." What I'm saying is, the only reason the 360 is still ahead, is that people are comparing 4 years of sales to 5. How's that different? You are saying Move is only in the lead cause it launched first, and it's unfair to compare different lengths of time. Sure. Same for 360, but for the past 4 years whenever the "PS3 has outsold 360 over the same length of time" type threads have popped up, the resounding reply has been "Doesn't matter, 360 is ahead, It's Sony's fault for launching late." Therefore, my response to "You're comparing 10 days to a month" is "Doesn't matter, Move is still ahead. It's MS's fault for launching later." your Argument is weak. First of all The 360 is indeed ahead of the PS3 thats a Fact, and the headstart is irrelavent. The same for Kinect and Move. That isnt the point of what they are trying to say. They are saying to wait a month to compare how it did againts Moves First month. We arent arguing about who is firstEvery quarter when the 360's 3 month sales falls short of the ps3s, the answer is, "360 is still ahead." What I'm saying is, the only reason the 360 is still ahead, is that people are comparing 4 years of sales to 5. How's that different? You are saying Move is only in the lead cause it launched first, and it's unfair to compare different lengths of time. Sure. Same for 360, but for the past 4 years whenever the "PS3 has outsold 360 over the same length of time" type threads have popped up, the resounding reply has been "Doesn't matter, 360 is ahead, It's Sony's fault for launching late." Therefore, my response to "You're comparing 10 days to a month" is "Doesn't matter, Move is still ahead. It's MS's fault for launching later." your Argument is weak. First of all The 360 is indeed ahead of the PS3 thats a Fact, and the headstart is irrelavent. The same for Kinect and Move. That isnt the point of what they are trying to say. They are saying to wait a month to compare how it did againts Moves First month. We arent arguing about who is first[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]
[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]
I think that you're comparing apples and oranges, i'm not denying the fact that Kinect is in last place, I am however saying that you are comparing how much kinect sold in 10 days to how much move sold a month
every year we do a year on year comparison between both platforms, we don't compare one year for the xbox 360 versus two quarters for the PS3
what i'm saying is, compare the first month of kinect sales to the first month of Move sales and then we'll see, i'm not however denying the fact that Kinect is still 1.5 million units behind move
but nice reaching you did there though
Deadbeatcobra
thank you
[QUOTE="Bad-School-Girl"]Shipped. It only sold around 200,000.ProjectNatalFan
yeah but its sold out all over the place =D
Then MS clearly under-supplied retailers.Okay let's see if shipped and sold matters now.FIipModethere is a big difference in the fact that every where you go there are piles of the move units on the shelf while the kinect shelf is always bare. can you sell move for a premium on places like ebay and craigslist?
Let me try and explain why 1 million in sales isn't that remarkable. This might help you ProjectNatalFan. Even though you're trying to justify the sales being remarkable in light of a fanboy cabal against Kinect.... It's really more fruitful to view it in light of its sales and R&D context. 1 million sales, even assuming that means 1 million units purchased by consumers from retail, how does that stack up. At a $100 profit margin per unit, which is highly unlikely, that's $100 million that Microsoft now has in their pocket. That means they're still $400 million in the red. Does that make sense? They would literally have to sell 4 million more Kinect to consumers, meaning it would literally have to leave the shelf and be in somebody's home, with a $100 profit margin (which is 66% profit), to break even on Kinect. Does that sound like a resounding success to you?Brownesquei understand your view, but shouldnt we wait for kinects first month to be over rather then 10 days on the market before making such statments? the way things are going MS will Make most of their money by the end of the year and have nothing but profit after that. a risky investment but good one might i add
i understand your view, but shouldnt we wait for kinects first month to be over rather then 10 days on the market before making such statments? the way things are going MS will Make most of their money by the end of the year and have nothing but profit after that. That doesn't change a single thing that I said. If they're able to make 4 million in sales by the end of the month, they'll cancel out their gargantuan advertising budget, and that doesn't count R&D. Then they can start making money per unit sold on Kinect. Does that sound likely to you? $500 million is a lot of money. It may very well sell 30 million lifetime sales, I don't know. I'm just putting it in a very obvious perspective, which is that 1 million in sales, even if that means to the consumer at a $100 profit margin, both of which are highly unlikely, barely puts a dent into their outstanding costs. Basically, it's going to take a lot more than 1 million sales for Kinect to be successful. A LOT more.[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Let me try and explain why 1 million in sales isn't that remarkable. This might help you ProjectNatalFan. Even though you're trying to justify the sales being remarkable in light of a fanboy cabal against Kinect.... It's really more fruitful to view it in light of its sales and R&D context. 1 million sales, even assuming that means 1 million units purchased by consumers from retail, how does that stack up. At a $100 profit margin per unit, which is highly unlikely, that's $100 million that Microsoft now has in their pocket. That means they're still $400 million in the red. Does that make sense? They would literally have to sell 4 million more Kinect to consumers, meaning it would literally have to leave the shelf and be in somebody's home, with a $100 profit margin (which is 66% profit), to break even on Kinect. Does that sound like a resounding success to you?Deadbeatcobra
[QUOTE="FIipMode"]Okay let's see if shipped and sold matters now.teknic1200there is a big difference in the fact that every where you go there are piles of the move units on the shelf while the kinect shelf is always bare. can you sell move for a premium on places like ebay and craigslist? Who arguing Kinect is having higher demand than Move? We all expected that, I was just interested in seeing if the shipped/sold argument would start up with Kinect sales like it did for Move.
Every quarter when the 360's 3 month sales falls short of the ps3s, the answer is, "360 is still ahead." What I'm saying is, the only reason the 360 is still ahead, is that people are comparing 4 years of sales to 5. How's that different? You are saying Move is only in the lead cause it launched first, and it's unfair to compare different lengths of time. Sure. Same for 360, but for the past 4 years whenever the "PS3 has outsold 360 over the same length of time" type threads have popped up, the resounding reply has been "Doesn't matter, 360 is ahead, It's Sony's fault for launching late." Therefore, my response to "You're comparing 10 days to a month" is "Doesn't matter, Move is still ahead. It's MS's fault for launching later." your Argument is weak. First of all The 360 is indeed ahead of the PS3 thats a Fact, and the headstart is irrelavent. The same for Kinect and Move. That isnt the point of what they are trying to say. They are saying to wait a month to compare how it did againts Moves First month. We arent arguing about who is firstBut why should we do that, when we have no problem comparing 5 years vs 4 years? You say wait a month and compare Kinects 1 month sales to Move's 1 month. That's the same exact thing as me saying wait a year and compare PS3's 5-year sales to 360's 5-year sales?[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]
[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]
I think that you're comparing apples and oranges, i'm not denying the fact that Kinect is in last place, I am however saying that you are comparing how much kinect sold in 10 days to how much move sold a month
every year we do a year on year comparison between both platforms, we don't compare one year for the xbox 360 versus two quarters for the PS3
what i'm saying is, compare the first month of kinect sales to the first month of Move sales and then we'll see, i'm not however denying the fact that Kinect is still 1.5 million units behind move
but nice reaching you did there though
Deadbeatcobra
When someone brought up that the Kinect's 1 million was less than the Move's 2.5, they were doing the same thing that 360 fans do when they point out 360 is still ahead whenever PS3 beating 360 in sales over a given time period comes up. And in response, my buddy the manatee, and others, replied that that was comparing 10 days to a month, just like ps3 fans have always replied that the 360's lead was due to the headstart (ie comparing different lengths of time). Personally, I found this to be amusing (and typical of SW), so I pointed out the similarities. You say my argument is weak, but I'm not arguing anything, I'm merely making an observation that two similar situations are similar. I actually agree. Comparisons should be made over identical timeframes. First month sales should be compared to first month sales, and the ps3's total sales should be compared to the 360's, at the same point in it's lifetime, but I can assur you, right up until the ps3 passes the 360 in worldwide units, we'll still hear "ps3 is still in 3rd!!1!"
there is a big difference in the fact that every where you go there are piles of the move units on the shelf while the kinect shelf is always bare. can you sell move for a premium on places like ebay and craigslist? Who arguing Kinect is having higher demand than Move? We all expected that, I was just interested in seeing if the shipped/sold argument would start up with Kinect sales like it did for Move.[QUOTE="teknic1200"][QUOTE="FIipMode"]Okay let's see if shipped and sold matters now.FIipMode
Sounds to me like neither were a big success, which is a good thing in my opinion :twisted:
Now casualisation is less likely to take over.
[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"][QUOTE="Bad-School-Girl"]Shipped. It only sold around 200,000.nervmeister
yeah but its sold out all over the place =D
Then MS clearly under-supplied retailers.Indeed they did, since they never expected 10x the demand the had projected
Amazon US is out of stock of Kinect and bundles since its launch almost constatly, which means MS is loosing millions of sales due to not beeing able to meet demand at all
In short, MS projected 5 million sold until year end, demand is for 10 million sold and thery cant meet that, they cant even supply the 5 million they have in schedule due to the extreme rate Kinect is sold
They were simply not ready enough for that demand. Kinect is sold out everywhere and millions of posible sales are now halted since its launch
If MS had a way to manufacture and release 10 million Kinects on the market, they would sell out in a few days
[QUOTE="ImportBMWRacer"][QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]
Seems the 500 mils advertising campaign wasn't very effective if it only shipped 1 mils unit lol seems the people living on this earth are more smarter than I thought :P.
Androvinus
Yeah people are more smarter, you are a prime example of the more smarter category...:roll:
That made little to no sense.Than I think its safe to say that you are also part of the "More Smarter" category...I was mocking his grammar...How is that not obvious?
]But why should we do that, when we have no problem comparing 5 years vs 4 years? You say wait a month and compare Kinects 1 month sales to Move's 1 month. That's the same exact thing as me saying wait a year and compare PS3's 5-year sales to 360's 5-year sales?ianuilliam
your speaking as if we don't do that for the 360 and PS3 :|
When someone brought up that the Kinect's 1 million was less than the Move's 2.5, they were doing the same thing that 360 fans do when they point out 360 is still ahead whenever PS3 beating 360 in sales over a given time period comes up. And in response, my buddy the manatee, and others, replied that that was comparing 10 days to a month, just like ps3 fans have always replied that the 360's lead was due to the headstart (ie comparing different lengths of time). Personally, I found this to be amusing (and typical of SW), so I pointed out the similarities. You say my argument is weak, but I'm not arguing anything, I'm merely making an observation that two similar situations are similar. I actually agree. Comparisons should be made over identical timeframes. First month sales should be compared to first month sales, and the ps3's total sales should be compared to the 360's, at the same point in it's lifetime, but I can assur you, right up until the ps3 passes the 360 in worldwide units, we'll still hear "ps3 is still in 3rd!!1!"ianuilliam
again, not what we're talking about, your argument is the very definition of a strawman
[QUOTE="Deadbeatcobra"]i understand your view, but shouldnt we wait for kinects first month to be over rather then 10 days on the market before making such statments? the way things are going MS will Make most of their money by the end of the year and have nothing but profit after that. That doesn't change a single thing that I said. If they're able to make 4 million in sales by the end of the month, they'll cancel out their gargantuan advertising budget, and that doesn't count R&D. Then they can start making money per unit sold on Kinect. Does that sound likely to you? $500 million is a lot of money. It may very well sell 30 million lifetime sales, I don't know. I'm just putting it in a very obvious perspective, which is that 1 million in sales, even if that means to the consumer at a $100 profit margin, both of which are highly unlikely, barely puts a dent into their outstanding costs. Basically, it's going to take a lot more than 1 million sales for Kinect to be successful. A LOT more. theres really no room for argument since you are limiting yourself to such a narrow view. if sales are any indication to future sales, than its very feasible that MS will cover the marketing buget + R&D (unknown variable) and start making profit early next year[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Let me try and explain why 1 million in sales isn't that remarkable. This might help you ProjectNatalFan. Even though you're trying to justify the sales being remarkable in light of a fanboy cabal against Kinect.... It's really more fruitful to view it in light of its sales and R&D context. 1 million sales, even assuming that means 1 million units purchased by consumers from retail, how does that stack up. At a $100 profit margin per unit, which is highly unlikely, that's $100 million that Microsoft now has in their pocket. That means they're still $400 million in the red. Does that make sense? They would literally have to sell 4 million more Kinect to consumers, meaning it would literally have to leave the shelf and be in somebody's home, with a $100 profit margin (which is 66% profit), to break even on Kinect. Does that sound like a resounding success to you?Brownesque
you know something is up when your wife calls you in the morning and tells you she is getting fitness evolved, regadless to say she loves it and says its responsive and its very easy to use. So much for those who said it wouldnt work and be a huge failure, my archives have a ton of people saying it wouldnt work because of unusable lag. Guess NOT
ProjectNatalFan
Who's wife?
I live in the Uk and there's no doubt the xbox gets a ton of love here, but One thing I do know is that UK homes are not designed for Kinect. Your average living room space is desidgned rectangularly and the tv set up is always on the Lentgh not the breadth, Poeple are gonna be pissed off witht his machine.http://n4g.com/news/647967/eurogamer-kinect-doubles-uk-xbox-sales/com
Haters might want to stay away from this article, you wont like this.
Eurogamer: Kinect doubles UK Xbox sales
Sales of Xbox 360 in the UK doubled last week off the back of the launch of Kinect, Eurogamer has learnt. The spike was confirmed this afternoon by sales monitor Chart-Track, a spokesperson stating that, while specific figures could not be revealed, it was "more than a fair reflection" to say the figure was double that of the previous week.
bigboss5ak
your Argument is weak. First of all The 360 is indeed ahead of the PS3 thats a Fact, and the headstart is irrelavent. The same for Kinect and Move. That isnt the point of what they are trying to say. They are saying to wait a month to compare how it did againts Moves First month. We arent arguing about who is firstBut why should we do that, when we have no problem comparing 5 years vs 4 years? You say wait a month and compare Kinects 1 month sales to Move's 1 month. That's the same exact thing as me saying wait a year and compare PS3's 5-year sales to 360's 5-year sales?[QUOTE="Deadbeatcobra"]
[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]Every quarter when the 360's 3 month sales falls short of the ps3s, the answer is, "360 is still ahead." What I'm saying is, the only reason the 360 is still ahead, is that people are comparing 4 years of sales to 5. How's that different? You are saying Move is only in the lead cause it launched first, and it's unfair to compare different lengths of time. Sure. Same for 360, but for the past 4 years whenever the "PS3 has outsold 360 over the same length of time" type threads have popped up, the resounding reply has been "Doesn't matter, 360 is ahead, It's Sony's fault for launching late." Therefore, my response to "You're comparing 10 days to a month" is "Doesn't matter, Move is still ahead. It's MS's fault for launching later."
ianuilliam
When someone brought up that the Kinect's 1 million was less than the Move's 2.5, they were doing the same thing that 360 fans do when they point out 360 is still ahead whenever PS3 beating 360 in sales over a given time period comes up. And in response, my buddy the manatee, and others, replied that that was comparing 10 days to a month, just like ps3 fans have always replied that the 360's lead was due to the headstart (ie comparing different lengths of time). Personally, I found this to be amusing (and typical of SW), so I pointed out the similarities. You say my argument is weak, but I'm not arguing anything, I'm merely making an observation that two similar situations are similar. I actually agree. Comparisons should be made over identical timeframes. First month sales should be compared to first month sales, and the ps3's total sales should be compared to the 360's, at the same point in it's lifetime, but I can assur you, right up until the ps3 passes the 360 in worldwide units, we'll still hear "ps3 is still in 3rd!!1!"
We do that all the time,
again We do those comparions all the time, but when it comes to LIFETIME sales 360 takes the lead over PS3.i dont care what fanboys say, if the ps3 surpases the 360 then it will be ahead and viseversa.
Damage control everywhere
I love the fact that lems think NA = the world. srsly I have yet to see a store in The Netherlands that sold out on Kinect (there may be some but sure as hell aint alot)
Damage control everywhere
I love the fact that lems think NA = the world. srsly I have yet to see a store in The Netherlands that sold out on Kinect (there may be some but sure as hell aint alot)
Postal_Guy
Amazon UK is sold out of Kinects, all versions and bundles
Amazon Germany out of Kinect too
Amazon France is top seller (top10) and will soon be out of stock too
Amazon US out of stock since launhc, all bundles too
Play.com is out of Kinect as well
In short, Kinect is sold out worldwide and MS cant come even close to meeting demand right now
That doesn't change a single thing that I said. If they're able to make 4 million in sales by the end of the month, they'll cancel out their gargantuan advertising budget, and that doesn't count R&D. Then they can start making money per unit sold on Kinect. Does that sound likely to you? $500 million is a lot of money. It may very well sell 30 million lifetime sales, I don't know. I'm just putting it in a very obvious perspective, which is that 1 million in sales, even if that means to the consumer at a $100 profit margin, both of which are highly unlikely, barely puts a dent into their outstanding costs. Basically, it's going to take a lot more than 1 million sales for Kinect to be successful. A LOT more. theres really no room for argument since you are limiting yourself to such a narrow view. if sales are any indication to future sales, than its very feasible that MS will cover the marketing buget + R&D (unknown variable) and start making profit early next year They're not, though. Trends don't have to continue, for one thing. For another, they spent $500 million in advertising. They have a reasonable expectation of a blockbuster launch after an ad campaign like that for a product that is so "science fiction" and like "Minority Report," like I've been hearing from plenty of independent publications reviewing or writing about the product. Momentum MIGHT pick up, but there's no axiom which says that month-over-month sales have to increase. If that's the case, why'd MS spend $500 million to have a successful launch? That's because product launches are expected to be the biggest purchasing period. The product may turn out to have staying power, but that depends on software, additional advertising, and market penetration, none of which are guaranteed. Sales will increase, but will the rate of sales increase? You have no grounds on which to say that. I didn't restrict myself to a narrow view, I just gave you an indication of the kinds of limitations MS is dealing with with this product from a business perspective. They need a LOT of sales before they can make a dime on the product, that's not speculation or my personal opinion, that's incontrovertible fact that I've established and it's something you can't refute.[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="Deadbeatcobra"] i understand your view, but shouldnt we wait for kinects first month to be over rather then 10 days on the market before making such statments? the way things are going MS will Make most of their money by the end of the year and have nothing but profit after that.
Deadbeatcobra
500,000 of those were Christmas presents im sure. No way kinect hits MS prediction of 5 million by years end.djsifer01
They are on track to reach 6 million sales by year end
1 million in 10 days is 4.5 million in the 45 days that remain until year end
Simple math prove MS will exceed their goal
[QUOTE="djsifer01"]500,000 of those were Christmas presents im sure. No way kinect hits MS prediction of 5 million by years end.AbleFa3
They are on track to reach 6 million sales by year end
1 million in 10 days is 4.5 million in the 45 days that remain until year end
Simple math prove MS will exceed their goal
sales will only increase as black friday and christmas come.I'm just hoping that motion controls will not become the only way of playing games.
I'm the old style gamer so no motion for me
mamkem6
Like PC gamers were against game pads, yet they proved to be the best way to play games for me
I am sure Kinect is the future way to control games, why use buttons if you can avoid it ?
[QUOTE="Postal_Guy"]
Damage control everywhere
I love the fact that lems think NA = the world. srsly I have yet to see a store in The Netherlands that sold out on Kinect (there may be some but sure as hell aint alot)
AbleFa3
Amazon UK is sold out of Kinects, all versions and bundles
Amazon Germany out of Kinect too
Amazon France is top seller (top10) and will soon be out of stock too
Amazon US out of stock since launhc, all bundles too
Play.com is out of Kinect as well
In short, Kinect is sold out worldwide and MS cant come even close to meeting demand right now
Amazon =/= the world. not everyone buys from amazone.
Bol.com still has em
Wehkamp.nl has em
Consoleshop too
and I went to Play.com and it didnt say sold out anywhere (could be wrong)
[QUOTE="djsifer01"]500,000 of those were Christmas presents im sure. No way kinect hits MS prediction of 5 million by years end.AbleFa3
They are on track to reach 6 million sales by year end
1 million in 10 days is 4.5 million in the 45 days that remain until year end
Simple math prove MS will exceed their goal
Fakeboy or not, no one is that simple. Launch week sales are by far the largest for a new product.
I suppose you think this means Kinect will sell 36 million copies a year after launch?
[QUOTE="AbleFa3"]
[QUOTE="Postal_Guy"]
Damage control everywhere
I love the fact that lems think NA = the world. srsly I have yet to see a store in The Netherlands that sold out on Kinect (there may be some but sure as hell aint alot)
Postal_Guy
Amazon UK is sold out of Kinects, all versions and bundles
Amazon Germany out of Kinect too
Amazon France is top seller (top10) and will soon be out of stock too
Amazon US out of stock since launhc, all bundles too
Play.com is out of Kinect as well
In short, Kinect is sold out worldwide and MS cant come even close to meeting demand right now
Amazon =/= the world. not everyone buys from amazone.
Bol.com still has em
Wehkamp.nl has em
Consoleshop too
and I went to Play.com and it didnt say sold out anywhere (could be wrong)
Yep, play.com has plenty of stock. I'd verify those other sources, but why bother? Post disproven.
[QUOTE="mamkem6"]
I'm just hoping that motion controls will not become the only way of playing games.
I'm the old style gamer so no motion for me
AbleFa3
Like PC gamers were against game pads, yet they proved to be the best way to play games for me
for you, not PC gamers. your personal experience does not equal fact.
Why the hell are you arguing Dutch sales ?
A country that small in Hardware sales doesn't really have an impact on total sales now does it ?
[QUOTE="djsifer01"]500,000 of those were Christmas presents im sure. No way kinect hits MS prediction of 5 million by years end.AbleFa3
They are on track to reach 6 million sales by year end
1 million in 10 days is 4.5 million in the 45 days that remain until year end
Simple math prove MS will exceed their goal
Simple math proves nothing. Who to say everyone who wants Kinect already has it? Or that its just popular right now because its new? There is no way to predict what its going to sell. I would make a large bet it dose not hit 5 million by years end.Please Log In to post.
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