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""The next-generation Xboxthe one that will follow the still-popular Xbox 360will run multiple games at once, require game installations, and will only work when a much-improved version of the popular but divisive Kinect sensor array is plugged in, according to a source who says he has access to development hardware. Those are a just a few details about the new console, codenamed Durango, that were shared with us by a person with access to next-gen information. Our source also claims to have a pair of Durango development kits."" Kinect As we reported a year ago, the new version of the Kinect motion-control sensor array will be included with every Durango sold. The unit seems far superior to the one currently found for the Xbox 360 (or the PC, for that matter). Perhaps most importantly, this isn't an optional accessory. It's mandatory. Not only does a Kinect ship with every console, but it must be plugged in and calibrated for the console to even function. This requirement is due to the way Kinect has been integrated with the Durango; because every console can be guaranteed of having the camera, developers can now program every game with the peripheral in mind. It's also because the Kinect will always be watching you. The new version of the camera is able to track up to six individual "skeletons" in the same room at all times. This has clear gameplay implications, such as allowing a game to instantly identify a person, but could also be related to a recently-patented Microsoft system for monitoring and maybe even charging users based on who is watching what. SuperDae's Kinect documentation also makes mention of automatic player identification becoming part of a gameplay experience. Storage & Installs A point of confusion during the lifetime of the Xbox 360, and one of consternation for developers, was the way in which Microsoft split the install base of the machine, selling some consoles with a hard drive and others without. This meant games could not be programmed to specifically take advantage of a hard drive installation. That divide is gone this time around, with all Durango retail consoles shipping with an HDD. That drive is 500GB in size, which should be enough for your media storage needs, but it'll mostly be used for games, which must now be installed immediately upon first insertion of the game disc. The Durango will be able to run more than one game or app at once, according to the information shared with us. If you're, say, a computer or smartphone user, this is not exactly sending-a-man-to-the-moon level of innovation. But game consoles have long been stuck just running the system-level functions (cross-game voice-chat, Achievement alerts, etc) while a single game runs. On an Xbox 360, even an app as simple as Twitter could only be used if whatever game the user was playing was shut down first. Durango, thankfully, gets past that. Controller The Durango's control pad will be a "natural evolution" of the Xbox 360's pad, according to SuperDaE's info. While this suggests a near-identical layoutnot necessarily a problem considering the cross-platform popularity of the layout with the PCXbox 360 controllers won't work with the Durango, as they use what Microsoft is calling a "new wireless technology." While various outlets, including Kotaku, have shared information on the technical specifications of Durango development kits, the specs you're about to see here are those for the final retail units that consumers will be getting their hands on. The next Xbox will run on custom hardware that includes an 8-core, 64-bit CPU running at 1.6ghz, an 800mhz DirectX 11.x graphics processor units and, alongside them, various "custom hardware blocks" that are able to handle certain individual tasks, taking the strain off the main CPU. http://kotaku.com/5982986/we-know-all-about-the-next-xbox-from-someone-who-says-theyve-got-one
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#2 Speedzilla
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:lol:

Lems have been owned again.

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Trollango confirmed

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"Our source even claims to have played some Durango games, describing the graphical leap from current-gen console gaming like going from playing Halo 2 on an original Xbox to playing Crysis on a powerful PC." Yea I'm sorry that source is about as reliable as a tub of yogurt left to sit out in the sun all day ...
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As soon as you see a rumour posted, you can tell by the system mentioned and poster whether it is going to be a positive or negative article/opinion.

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""The next-generation Xboxthe one that will follow the still-popular Xbox 360will run multiple games at once, require game installations, and will only work when a much-improved version of the popular but divisive Kinect sensor array is plugged in, according to a source who says he has access to development hardware. Those are a just a few details about the new console, codenamed Durango, that were shared with us by a person with access to next-gen information. Our source also claims to have a pair of Durango development kits."" http://kotaku.com/5982986/we-know-all-about-the-next-xbox-from-someone-who-says-theyve-got-one I figure the other was close because of the level 7 poster,if not excuse me mods and close it. Now into the good stuff. No specs change. Mandatory Kinect all the time,plug in or no game. Mandatory installs (my favorite) One of the most hated PS3 features by xbox fans,but now on all games. This doesn't paint good.tormentos

I bet you loved the other thread was closed just so you could spread more BS rumors.

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#7 deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
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How much is this thing gonna cost? I doubt they can even undercut the PS4 given it's going to have to be bundled with an improved Kinect which is surely going to push costs up.
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#8 Kingpin0114
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beat me to it lol

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#9 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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beat me to it lol

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Like I said, yours was unfortunately a much more informative OP :P
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#10 tormentos
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[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

beat me to it lol

blue_hazy_basic
Like I said, yours was unfortunately a much more informative OP :P

Well mods can close this one and leave his open i don't mind.
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How much is this thing gonna cost? I doubt they can even undercut the PS4 given it's going to have to be bundled with an improved Kinect which is surely going to push costs up.hoosier7
It will be much cheaper than a gym card and with Kinect you can do all your training at home.
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#12 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

beat me to it lol

tormentos
Like I said, yours was unfortunately a much more informative OP :P

Well mods can close this one and leave his open i don't mind.

Whats done is done. Might help if you put a bit more info in yours though. I still think that the rumour is lulz worthy if hes saying theres going to be that big a graphical leap.
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Inb4 Tessellation.
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Our source even claims to have played some Durango games, describing the graphical leap from current-gen console gaming like going from playing Halo 2 on an original Xbox to playing Crysis on a powerful PC.

KINECT

"Perhaps most importantly, this isn't an optional accessory. It's mandatory. Not only does a Kinect ship with every console, but it must be plugged in and calibrated for the console to even function."

Storage and Installs

"That drive is 500GB in size, which should be enough for your media storage needs, but it'll mostly be used for games, which must now be installed immediately upon first insertion of the game disc. What's more, this installation can take place automatically, while you're playing the game. Durango titles can be designed in "sections," so that you can pop your disc in, start playing and, in the background, the rest of the game will install. Installing games should bring performance improvements, we think, but doing so in the background should also get rid of pre-game install waits, one of the more annoying hold-ups of the current generation of consoles. Durango game installations will also be mandatory, as games can't directly access data from the disc.

Game Juggling

"The Durango will be able to run more than one game or app at once, according to the information shared with us" "The Durango is said to also allow games to be put into "suspend" and "constrained" states, which seemingly allow users to pause a game, switch to a second game, then return to the first game without losing their place, provided game developers follow some Microsoft protocols"

Controller

The Durango's control pad will be a "natural evolution" of the Xbox 360's pad, according to SuperDaE's info. While this suggests a near-identical layoutnot necessarily a problem considering the cross-platform popularity of the layout with the PCXbox 360 controllers won't work with the Durango, as they use what Microsoft is calling a "new wireless technology."

SPECS are the same as the ones leaked from other sites so I am not sure what that SuperDae was tallking about on his twitter. Guess he was lying.

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The only reason I will buy the system is if they improve on the Kinect. I enjoy playing a couple of the games, but the device was rather limited. I want to see more detailed interactions.
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Inb4 Tessellation. clyde46
He won't come, his lemming pride has been hurt by Kotaku. Of ALL the sites, Kotaku. :lol: Guess that's when you have to admit you've hit rock bottom. :cool:

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Yay, rumours.

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He gives all this info, but not the official release name of the nextbox. How do people still buy into this rumor stuff?
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Our source even claims to have played some Durango games, describing the graphical leap from current-gen console gaming like going from playing Halo 2 on an original Xbox to playing Crysis on a powerful PC.

KINECT

"Perhaps most importantly, this isn't an optional accessory. It's mandatory. Not only does a Kinect ship with every console, but it must be plugged in and calibrated for the console to even function."

Forced Kinect, dam thats got to suck.

Storage and Installs

"That drive is 500GB in size, which should be enough for your media storage needs, but it'll mostly be used for games, which must now be installed immediately upon first insertion of the game disc. What's more, this installation can take place automatically, while you're playing the game. Durango titles can be designed in "sections," so that you can pop your disc in, start playing and, in the background, the rest of the game will install. Installing games should bring performance improvements, we think, but doing so in the background should also get rid of pre-game install waits, one of the more annoying hold-ups of the current generation of consoles. Durango game installations will also be mandatory, as games can't directly access data from the disc.

Thats actually pretty cool.

Game Juggling

"The Durango will be able to run more than one game or app at once, according to the information shared with us" "The Durango is said to also allow games to be put into "suspend" and "constrained" states, which seemingly allow users to pause a game, switch to a second game, then return to the first game without losing their place, provided game developers follow some Microsoft protocols"

Would like to see this in action.

Controller

The Durango's control pad will be a "natural evolution" of the Xbox 360's pad, according to SuperDaE's info. While this suggests a near-identical layoutnot necessarily a problem considering the cross-platform popularity of the layout with the PCXbox 360 controllers won't work with the Durango, as they use what Microsoft is calling a "new wireless technology."

Great, MS is doing an Apple. Got to rebuy all those controllers.

SPECS are the same as the ones leaked from other sites so I am not sure what that SuperDae was tallking about on his twitter. Guess he was lying.

 

I knew it.

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#20 tormentos
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Like I said, yours was unfortunately a much more informative OP :P

Well mods can close this one and leave his open i don't mind.

Whats done is done. Might help if you put a bit more info in yours though. I still think that the rumour is lulz worthy if hes saying theres going to be that big a graphical leap.

Ok no problem.
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:lol:

Lems have been owned again.

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It doesn't matter how much it sucks, MS will throw a bunch of marketing money into it to make it sell. We've seen this done before.
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The information about mandatory installs and game juggling is interesting. The ability to install while the game is running is an interesting idea.  The game juggling could give credence to the no used game rumor.  Since if installs are mandatory, and you have the ability to go between two games at once, I would guess that you don't need a disc in the drive to play.  So microsoft would probably want to prevent used games so players couldnt just install a game on the hard drive, then sell the disc to be used again.

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Mass production= Free?? :lol:

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lol if true.
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'...describing the graphical leap from current-gen console gaming like going from playing Halo 2 on an original Xbox to playing Crysis on a powerful PC.'

It must be black magic :o

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#26 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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Mass production= Free?? :lol:

Kingpin0114
Please tell me you didn't just quote someone called "sexpiss steve" :|
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why in hell people go to that site? horrible website...
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[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

 

Mass production= Free?? :lol:

blue_hazy_basic

Please tell me you didn't just quote someone called "sexpiss steve" :|

 

Oh wow I didn't even see that name. Gross

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I like the Game Juggling info. Sounds pretty neat. That's the only part I liked though.

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"Our source even claims to have played some Durango games, describing the graphical leap from current-gen console gaming like going from playing Halo 2 on an original Xbox to playing Crysis on a powerful PC." Yea I'm sorry that source is about as reliable as a tub of yogurt left to sit out in the sun all day ...blue_hazy_basic

What a comparison :lol:

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I like the Game Juggling info. Sounds pretty neat. That's the only part I liked though.

Kingpin0114
This. The PS Vita does the same already so i'm wondering whether it's a feature we'll see make the jump to the PS4 too though, i'm also a tad surprised Sony hasn't got this patented to prevent MS doing it?
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Kinect mandatory? 

Seriously, Microsoft? 

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I like the Game Juggling info. Sounds pretty neat. That's the only part I liked though.

Kingpin0114
If you believe it then it sounds like a graphics monster. I just don't believe its true. Besides who really cares about running multiple games/apps on a console? The only exception might be running a browser or something, but i'd rather use a computer or even my phone than clunk around on a console.
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'...describing the graphical leap from current-gen console gaming like going from playing Halo 2 on an original Xbox to playing Crysis on a powerful PC.'

It must be black magic :o

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With those specs no chance in hell..
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Kinect mandatory? oh sh!t casualbox 720. :lol: :lol:
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I like the Game Juggling info. Sounds pretty neat. That's the only part I liked though.

Kingpin0114
Really? I have never wanted to pause a game to start playing another one :|. Don't get under what circumstance you would want to do that.
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[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

I like the Game Juggling info. Sounds pretty neat. That's the only part I liked though.

Sushiglutton
Really? I have never wanted to pause a game to start playing another one :|. Don't get under what circumstance you would want to do that.

Would also work for apps, but again I still think your point stands.
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KinectBox 720... confirmed?

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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

I like the Game Juggling info. Sounds pretty neat. That's the only part I liked though.

blue_hazy_basic

Really? I have never wanted to pause a game to start playing another one :|. Don't get under what circumstance you would want to do that.

Would also work for apps, but again I still think your point stands.

Yeah other apps could be more useful. Not for me, but I can understand why others would like that.

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It's also because the Kinect will always be watching you. tormentos

Creepy. 

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[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

I like the Game Juggling info. Sounds pretty neat. That's the only part I liked though.

Sushiglutton

Really? I have never wanted to pause a game to start playing another one :|. Don't get under what circumstance you would want to do that.

 

My brother and I have a lot of friends that like to come play games so I think it would be pretty cool that me and bro can just pause and then just easily flip to another game when a group of friends come over.

My friend has a Vita and it has something similar to this so I am hoping Sony does this too, along with being able to open the internet browser.

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]"Our source even claims to have played some Durango games, describing the graphical leap from current-gen console gaming like going from playing Halo 2 on an original Xbox to playing Crysis on a powerful PC." Yea I'm sorry that source is about as reliable as a tub of yogurt left to sit out in the sun all day ...

My thoughts exactly, one source says its not a big graphical leap, others say its huge and others are saying its going from Xbox to a powerful PC... From now on I expect nothing until MS tell us facts and not rumours from what sounds like little boys who got to play with their Christmas presents early.
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#43 Kingpin0114
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[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

I like the Game Juggling info. Sounds pretty neat. That's the only part I liked though.

hoosier7

This. The PS Vita does the same already so i'm wondering whether it's a feature we'll see make the jump to the PS4 too though, i'm also a tad surprised Sony hasn't got this patented to prevent MS doing it?

 

I don't think Sony invented this feature. Cell phones have been doing this for awhile.

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#44 k2theswiss
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

I like the Game Juggling info. Sounds pretty neat. That's the only part I liked though.

blue_hazy_basic
Really? I have never wanted to pause a game to start playing another one :|. Don't get under what circumstance you would want to do that.

Would also work for apps, but again I still think your point stands.

i think this is more towards apps and stuff not playing 2 games. that would be stupid...
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#45 Slow_Show
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I still think that the rumour is lulz worthy if hes saying theres going to be that big a graphical leap.blue_hazy_basic

Why? We're talking about an ~8 year hardware gap -- even if MS focuses on affordability over pure horsepower, that's still going to be a huge performance improvement (the 360 hardware is verging on smartphone/tablet territory these days; it's not going to take a whole lot for the Xbox 3 to blow it out of the water).

Furthermore I think what you have to remember is that PC gaming has been pretty stagnant on the graphics front since, well, Crysis, so it creates this false sense of "well, if a high-end gaming rig can only do X, how could a $300-$400 console do X+Y?" It's not that they're bullsh*tting about how powerful a new console could be (particularly when you consider the inherent advantage of being able to target a single hardware spec -- case in point, that 8 year old 360 can still turn out some surprisingly purdy graphics), it's that the high-end rig been limited to playing games designed to run at max settings on two-plus-year old midrange hardware. 

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#46 Sushiglutton
Member since 2009 • 10445 Posts
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

I like the Game Juggling info. Sounds pretty neat. That's the only part I liked though.

Really? I have never wanted to pause a game to start playing another one :|. Don't get under what circumstance you would want to do that.

 

My brother and I have a lot of friends that like to come play games so I think it would be pretty cool that me and bro can just pause and then just easily flip to another game when a group of friends come over.

My friend has a Vita and it has something similar to this so I am hoping Sony does this too, along with being able to open the internet browser.

I guess. At the same time quitting a game and then start it again takes a couple of minutes tops. Rarely in modern games do you lose any progress. When your friends come over you'll likely play for an hour or two? Having the other game paused in the background all that time seems unnecessary to me. But what do I know :P
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#47 Gue1
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Mass production= Free?? :lol:

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are they developers or something?

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#48 clyde46
Member since 2005 • 49061 Posts
. MS is in trouble!
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#50 Eddie-Vedder
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TLHBFR :lol: It's sounds terrible. Are those twitter people M$ insiders? Cause if they are seems like this must be legit otherwise you'd expect them to say something.Â