ok guys almost every single player game is like 10 to 12 hrs long.except RPGS everybody acting as if this was new.

• geow
• Halo 1,2
• Fable
• MGS
• GOW
• Resistance
• ect... ect... ect
  

[QUOTE="XL83"]Regarding online, a lot of people still aren't big on it because of the online communities and the faceless scum that they can attract. I can play any game online and have fun until I hear some lisping jackass yelling "HAHA PWNED ****ING ****ER!!" in a prepubescent voice. Online gaming sans headsets is the only way to go, unless you're playing with friends. TyrantDragon55

You know you can mute people like that in games like GeoW right?

I've played enough online games to know that if I followed this practice, I would spend more time ignoring and muting people than I would playing the game. I just don't have any desire to share my gaming time with people I wouldn't even spit on IRL. I still play online games, but I know a lot of people who hate these communities so much that they prefer to play offline. 

I'll take 12 hours of amazing gaming over 30 hours of repetitive wackness.

But a game like this probably should have had multiplayer.  Seems very appropriate for this kind of game. 

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

 http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it.. 

Huxley_00

so this is what lemmings are resulting to as ownage? :lol: resident evil 4 was only about 10-12 hours and it was the best looking and best overall game i played last generation. sorry lemmings ownaged denied.

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

 http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it.. 

Huxley_00

I really hope you're not a lemming...or you're owned!

Lost Planet...8 to 10 hours :lol:

GRAW 2...7 to 8 hours :lol:

GeOW...8 to 10 hours :lol:

Were those games in anyway bad?  Nope. 

Kameo is only 10-12 hours long and it is single player. 

[QUOTE="Huxley_00"]

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it..

InfamousC

so this is what lemmings are resulting to as ownage? :lol: resident evil 4 was only about 10-12 hours and it was the best looking and best overall game i played last generation. sorry lemmings ownaged denied.

You must have really rushed through RE4, it took me about 16 hours and I've heard as high as 20 for some people. RE4 also has a bunch of extras to keep you interested long after you finish the story mode the first time. 

[QUOTE="Huxley_00"]

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it..

AvIdGaMeR444

I really hope you're not a lemming...or you're owned!

Lost Planet...8 to 10 hours :lol:

GRAW 2...7 to 8 hours :lol:

GeOW...8 to 10 hours :lol:

Were those games in anyway bad? Nope.

Kameo is only 10-12 hours long and it is single player.

All of those games have multiplayer and co-op modes to extend their life. 

I think it is safe to say the TC has been owned...

Get used to getting owned TC....I know I have. :?

I'll take 12 hours of amazing gaming over 30 hours of repetitive wackness.

But a game like this probably should have had multiplayer. Seems very appropriate for this kind of game.

Dreams-Visions

How does any one here know if multiplayer will even work with this type a game? It was assumed from the beginning that Bioshock would have muiltplayer because of the FPS element but then the Devs came out and said it would not work with the game.  

ok guys almost every single player game is like 10 to 12 hrs long.except RPGS everybody acting as if this was new.

• geow
• Halo 1,2
• Fable
• MGS
• GOW
• Resistance
• ect... ect... ect
  

gamer4life85

Good points, aside from Resistance. I think you'd really have to rush Resistance to beat it in 12 hours, let alone 10. It was actually a pretty lengthy shooter on Normal difficulty.  

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

I'll take 12 hours of amazing gaming over 30 hours of repetitive wackness.

But a game like this probably should have had multiplayer. Seems very appropriate for this kind of game.

gmastersexay

How does any one here know if multiplayer will even work with this type a game? It was assumed from the beginning that Bioshock would have muiltplayer because of the FPS element but then the Devs came out and said it would not work with the game.

It could have been solely flying.  Like a Crimson Skies or some such.  They could have MADE it work if they wanted to.  If they really wanted to.  But it undoubteldy wasn't in the plans. 

wtf are you talking about? this game does have online.....ddldave

I wish you were right, but according to the interview I read with Eggebrecht a few weeks ago, it won't have an online component.

Anyway, I hope this game lasts at least 20 hours, and I also hope they do decide to add some kind of multiplayer mode, even if its just FPS-style matches like deathmatch, assault, etc. on the same maps from the campaign. I would accept a rather lengthy delay if it meant this game was everything it could possibly be. 

Not only is the game this short, but the jaggies hurt my eyes.  I mean, Lair has nice backgrounds, but the dragons and soldiers are jaggies heaven.  The soldiers on Rome:Total War on the PC, a game a few years old has better looking soldiers than Lairs "Royal Jaggies Soldiers".

This game is gonna flop, and keep people from buying a PS3. 

AgentVX

LOL, you must have a really crappy computer monitor.

[QUOTE="Uptown"]

to be fair...this game was about 7-8 hrs long and had no multiplayer.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/maxpayne2/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary%3Breview&page=1

it is possible to get AAA without multiplayer people. Not saying it will, but its possible......

Here's another example by Factor 5 themselves.....

http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/action/starwarsrogueleaderrs2/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary;review

TyrantDragon55

Those were the days when online multiplayer wasn't as important to console games as it is now. Those were also the days when games were $50, not $60. 

And you're forgetting that online multiplayer has only been important to xbox console gamers as most of the single player campaigns on our xbox games have sucked. It has always been very feasible to make a solid game without any online whatsoever. NG is still my favorite game on the xbox with KOTOR as my close second. Neither of these games had online. GOW II, Prince of Persia, DMC, MGS... the list goes on. Because truthfully, this is really nothing new and lemmings are making a bunch of noise about nothing right now.

[QUOTE="Huxley_00"]

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it..

InfamousC

so this is what lemmings are resulting to as ownage? :lol: resident evil 4 was only about 10-12 hours and it was the best looking and best overall game i played last generation. sorry lemmings ownaged denied.

Do you know how many cows bashed Gears for its short campaign (despite it having online multiplayer)? Backtracking FTL.  

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Uptown"]

to be fair...this game was about 7-8 hrs long and had no multiplayer.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/maxpayne2/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary%3Breview&page=1

it is possible to get AAA without multiplayer people. Not saying it will, but its possible......

Here's another example by Factor 5 themselves.....

http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/action/starwarsrogueleaderrs2/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary;review

Sgt_Hale

Those were the days when online multiplayer wasn't as important to console games as it is now. Those were also the days when games were $50, not $60.

And you're forgetting that online multiplayer has only been important to xbox console gamers as most of the single player campaigns on our xbox games have sucked. It has always been very feasible to make a solid game without any online whatsoever. NG is still my favorite game on the xbox with KOTOR as my close second. Neither of these games had online. GOW II, Prince of Persia, DMC, MGS... the list goes on. Because truthfully, this is really nothing new and lemmings are making a bunch of noise about nothing right now.

It used to be feasable to release a game without some kind of story too. You have to understand that expectations change over time.

*edit: oh, and if online play only matters to X Box gamers, explain the success of the SOCOM series. 

[QUOTE="ddldave"]wtf are you talking about? this game does have online.....XL83

I wish you were right, but according to the interview I read with Eggebrecht a few weeks ago, it won't have an online component.

Anyway, I hope this game lasts at least 20 hours, and I also hope they do decide to add some kind of multiplayer mode, even if its just FPS-style matches like deathmatch, assault, etc. on the same maps from the campaign. I would accept a rather lengthy delay if it meant this game was everything it could possibly be. 

This is the first time I will ever say something about lemmings. Learn to listen and read, because I'm getting tired of this. It will take the game 10-12 to beat the first time. In order to add replay value, they will give you certain achievements (ie trophies), for getting gold medals. The medal system will improve your attacks on ground, in air, and air close combat. From what Factor 5 has done before, there will obviously be some secret level, for beating and gaining all the medals. In order to gain all the medals will take you around most likey 20-30 hours. Online Leaderboards for each level will make the replay value even higher.

I wonder what stupid remakrs come out of you fanboys sometimes. It is certain that a game like geow, if you beat the singleplayer, will take you around 4-6 hours. You could IGNORE every other replay values for the game and include for it being short. You could state that GEOW is 4 hours long! Lemmings are pwnzored, and ignore the fact that it has infinite replay value due to online gameplay.

Do you know how many cows bashed Gears for its short campaign (despite it having online multiplayer)? Backtracking FTL.  Vyse_The_Daring

Ain't that the truth!

This is the first time I will ever say something about lemmings. Learn to listen and read, because I'm getting tired of this. It will take the game 10-12 to beat the first time. In order to add replay value, they will give you certain achievements (ie trophies), for getting gold medals. The medal system will improve your attacks on ground, in air, and air close combat. From what Factor 5 has done before, there will obviously be some secret level, for beating and gaining all the medals. In order to gain all the medals will take you around most likey 20-30 hours. Online Leaderboards for each level will make the replay value even higher.

I wonder what stupid remakrs come out of you fanboys sometimes. It is certain that a game like geow, if you beat the singleplayer, will take you around 4-6 hours. You could IGNORE every other replay values for the game and include for it being short. You could state that GEOW is 4 hours long! Lemmings are pwnzored, and ignore the fact that it has infinite replay value due to online gameplay.

drsports1980

with leaderboards it will give this game more then enough replay value. lemmings are really grasping here. most games these days are no longer then 10-20(if your lucky) hours. only games that go over this limit are usually just rpgs. as game developers know most consumers dont like games longer then this.

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

 http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it.. 

Huxley_00

GeoW is like 3h (if you aim for the locust heads they drop pretty fast) so i dont get how cowz are pwnsored? 

[QUOTE="Huxley_00"]

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it..

-Reggaeton-

GeoW is like 3h (if you aim for the locust heads they drop pretty fast) so i dont get how cowz are pwnsored?

Try 10 hours, unless you're playing on Casual (even then, it's still like 7). And Gears still has multiplayer and Co-op to extend it's life. 

[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="Huxley_00"]

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it..

TyrantDragon55

GeoW is like 3h (if you aim for the locust heads they drop pretty fast) so i dont get how cowz are pwnsored?

Try 10 hours, unless you're playing on Casual (even then, it's still like 7). And Gears still has multiplayer and Co-op to extend it's life. 

Nah, in Harcore its about 3 hours. I would know since i own the game and since ive beaten it many times. 

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="Huxley_00"]

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it..

-Reggaeton-

GeoW is like 3h (if you aim for the locust heads they drop pretty fast) so i dont get how cowz are pwnsored?

Try 10 hours, unless you're playing on Casual (even then, it's still like 7). And Gears still has multiplayer and Co-op to extend it's life.

Nah, in Harcore its about 3 hours. I would know since i own the game and since ive beaten it many times.

It is not 3 hours your first time through. Not unless you had already played on Casual and knew exactly what to do. 

[QUOTE="AgentVX"]

Not only is the game this short, but the jaggies hurt my eyes.  I mean, Lair has nice backgrounds, but the dragons and soldiers are jaggies heaven.  The soldiers on Rome:Total War on the PC, a game a few years old has better looking soldiers than Lairs "Royal Jaggies Soldiers".

This game is gonna flop, and keep people from buying a PS3. 

Sgt_Hale

LOL, you must have a really crappy computer monitor.

I think that's the problem for you at least, if you can't see the jaggies, then time to get a new screen.  Anybody with half a good monitor can see the countless jaggies on all charater models.  The soldiers espicially have the jaggies disease.  Nice backgrounds though, if you like looking at rocks all days,not much for any trees and grass.

I never really expected it to be longer than 15 hours

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="Huxley_00"]

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it..

-Reggaeton-

GeoW is like 3h (if you aim for the locust heads they drop pretty fast) so i dont get how cowz are pwnsored?

Try 10 hours, unless you're playing on Casual (even then, it's still like 7). And Gears still has multiplayer and Co-op to extend it's life.

Nah, in Harcore its about 3 hours. I would know since i own the game and since ive beaten it many times.

exactly. i hear from everyone that the game is really short. 

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it..

Huxley_00

If it's really 10-12 hours long, that makes it Twice as long as Dead Rising, so that's going to be good. 

(Don't get me started on how amazingly short Gears of War is....luckily it has online.) 

[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="Huxley_00"]

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it..

TyrantDragon55

GeoW is like 3h (if you aim for the locust heads they drop pretty fast) so i dont get how cowz are pwnsored?

Try 10 hours, unless you're playing on Casual (even then, it's still like 7). And Gears still has multiplayer and Co-op to extend it's life.

Nah, in Harcore its about 3 hours. I would know since i own the game and since ive beaten it many times.

It is not 3 hours your first time through. Not unless you had already played on Casual and knew exactly what to do.

Yeah, it is. Admittedly, I beat it on Casual First, but I beat it on the same night I bought it....and still mananged to catch a movie with buddies that same night. IT WAS SHORT.

Of course, playing it through on Hardcore was incredibly easy, and Insane was okay difficulty (Except for RAAM who was cheap on Insane, but that's okay, I still smoked him.) 

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="Huxley_00"]

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it..

SolidTy

GeoW is like 3h (if you aim for the locust heads they drop pretty fast) so i dont get how cowz are pwnsored?

Try 10 hours, unless you're playing on Casual (even then, it's still like 7). And Gears still has multiplayer and Co-op to extend it's life.

Nah, in Harcore its about 3 hours. I would know since i own the game and since ive beaten it many times.

It is not 3 hours your first time through. Not unless you had already played on Casual and knew exactly what to do.

Yeah, it is. Admittedly, I beat it on Casual First, but I beat it on the same night I bought it....and still mananged to catch a movie with buddies that same night. IT WAS SHORT.

Of course, playing it through on Hardcore was incredibly easy, and Insane was okay difficulty (Except for RAAM who was cheap on Insane, but that's okay, I still smoked him.)

You played through the first time on Casual, so by the time you got to hardcore you already knew exactly what to do. My point stands. If you had actually started on hardcore, it probably would have taken you a while longer. 

[QUOTE="drsports1980"]

This is the first time I will ever say something about lemmings. Learn to listen and read, because I'm getting tired of this. It will take the game 10-12 to beat the first time. In order to add replay value, they will give you certain achievements (ie trophies), for getting gold medals. The medal system will improve your attacks on ground, in air, and air close combat. From what Factor 5 has done before, there will obviously be some secret level, for beating and gaining all the medals. In order to gain all the medals will take you around most likey 20-30 hours. Online Leaderboards for each level will make the replay value even higher.

I wonder what stupid remakrs come out of you fanboys sometimes. It is certain that a game like geow, if you beat the singleplayer, will take you around 4-6 hours. You could IGNORE every other replay values for the game and include for it being short. You could state that GEOW is 4 hours long! Lemmings are pwnzored, and ignore the fact that it has infinite replay value due to online gameplay.

InfamousC

with leaderboards it will give this game more then enough replay value. lemmings are really grasping here. most games these days are no longer then 10-20(if your lucky) hours. only games that go over this limit are usually just rpgs. as game developers know most consumers dont like games longer then this.

 Lemmings are grasping? I thought the only substantial knock cows could come up with against Gears was the short single player? If 10-20 hours is the average for a game these days, that would make Gears...AVERAGE, and not ridiculously short, as so many like to claim. As to the people saying that Gears will take you less than 3 hours...Please. I'm assuming you were one of the game testers working for Epic, and so had mastered the game by the time it came out? Because otherwise, 3 hours is a ridiculous claim. I remember when I first beat the original Metal Gear Solid, it took me 10-15 hours, and then on the next couple play throughs, I got it down to 3 or 4. After a few playthroughs of Super Metroid (one of the best games ever), I beat that game in less than 3 hours (to get the best ending). Just because you can beat a game in 3 hours after practice doesn't mean that's how long a game takes to be beaten by the average gamer playing it. Try this: Pick up a game you've never played (a relatively difficult one), and play on the hardest difficulty. It's not that easy, is it? Yet if you beat that game on the easier difficulties, suddenly it becomes easier to beat the hardest one as well.

bu bu bu teh bulu raaaaay :cry:wiistation360

bu bu bu most useless and annoying post of the day goes tooooo... 

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="Huxley_00"]

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it..

TyrantDragon55

GeoW is like 3h (if you aim for the locust heads they drop pretty fast) so i dont get how cowz are pwnsored?

Try 10 hours, unless you're playing on Casual (even then, it's still like 7). And Gears still has multiplayer and Co-op to extend it's life.

Nah, in Harcore its about 3 hours. I would know since i own the game and since ive beaten it many times.

It is not 3 hours your first time through. Not unless you had already played on Casual and knew exactly what to do.

Yeah, it is. Admittedly, I beat it on Casual First, but I beat it on the same night I bought it....and still mananged to catch a movie with buddies that same night. IT WAS SHORT.

Of course, playing it through on Hardcore was incredibly easy, and Insane was okay difficulty (Except for RAAM who was cheap on Insane, but that's okay, I still smoked him.)

You played through the first time on Casual, so by the time you got to hardcore you already knew exactly what to do. My point stands. If you had actually started on hardcore, it probably would have taken you a while longer.

Well, It's EPIC fault. Whenever I play Halo I start on Legendary or Heroic(ONe to Two notches above the Regular setting), and I usually do start on the default setting or one notch above.
But EPIC named the difficulties :

Casual

Hardcore

Insane.

Hardcore sounds HARD (When it isn't, it's quite easy, but how could I know. If they had called it MEDIUM, and called Casual EASY, then I would have picked Hardcore. In fact, Why was Casual the Default Difficulty, as it is EXTREMELY EASY. I don't know what they were thinking, but my guess is they were trying to sell the game to New Gamers. Either way, blame them, since I went with the standard difficulty.) 

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="Huxley_00"]

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it..

SolidTy

GeoW is like 3h (if you aim for the locust heads they drop pretty fast) so i dont get how cowz are pwnsored?

Try 10 hours, unless you're playing on Casual (even then, it's still like 7). And Gears still has multiplayer and Co-op to extend it's life.

Nah, in Harcore its about 3 hours. I would know since i own the game and since ive beaten it many times.

It is not 3 hours your first time through. Not unless you had already played on Casual and knew exactly what to do.

Yeah, it is. Admittedly, I beat it on Casual First, but I beat it on the same night I bought it....and still mananged to catch a movie with buddies that same night. IT WAS SHORT.

Of course, playing it through on Hardcore was incredibly easy, and Insane was okay difficulty (Except for RAAM who was cheap on Insane, but that's okay, I still smoked him.)

You played through the first time on Casual, so by the time you got to hardcore you already knew exactly what to do. My point stands. If you had actually started on hardcore, it probably would have taken you a while longer.

Well, It's EPIC fault. Whenever I play Halo I start on Legendary or Heroic(ONe to Two notches above the Regular setting), and I usually do start on the default setting or one notch above.
But EPIC named the difficulties :

Casual

Hardcore

Insane.

Hardcore sounds HARD (When it isn't, it's quite easy, but how could I know. If they had called it MEDIUM, and called Casual EASY, then I would have picked Hardcore. In fact, Why was Casual the Default Difficulty, as it is EXTREMELY EASY. I don't know what they were thinking, but my guess is they were trying to sell the game to New Gamers. Either way, blame them, since I went with the standard difficulty.)

well, but i think one fact is:

scores nowadays aren't affected very much by the game's longevity. and i don't like it. 

:shock: they should of made it on a DVD.instead of blue ray.

Dev's always over state game length by around 2 hours for standard games like Lair.

So expect a 8-10 hour game.

[QUOTE="InfamousC"][QUOTE="Huxley_00"]

ouch.. for a game with no multiplayer and not much replay value..

 

http://www.g4tv.com/

listen to the 2:40 mark

Is it really worth 60 bucks?

 

I'll rent it, beat it, and return it..

Vyse_The_Daring

so this is what lemmings are resulting to as ownage? :lol: resident evil 4 was only about 10-12 hours and it was the best looking and best overall game i played last generation. sorry lemmings ownaged denied.

Do you know how many cows bashed Gears for its short campaign (despite it having online multiplayer)? Backtracking FTL.  

 Resident evil 4 was 20 hours of gameplay and first this game is on blue ray why would it be only 10-12 hour of gameplay. you realise the PS3 uses blue ray discs. it should be longer. it will flop because of this cows say it will get AAA, I'll say AA.