LOL. Quantum Break on X1 is 720p without locked 30 FPS

Makes no sense to have games running at 720p nowadays with these consoles, unacceptable.

@charizard1605:

So you saying the X1 is a shitty console?

We've yet to see evidence of full HD 1080p gameplay in close analysis - barring the title's HUD elements and menus. In every scene tested so far, a native resolution of 720p is the consistent result found in each pixel count test - so while there's every possibility of individual render targets operating at higher resolutions, basic geometry that we're able to measure hands in a 720p result as things stand."

The UI elements are indeed rendering at 1080p, but the geometry and models - in other words, the game itself - all seem to be 720p (though, again, upscaled further by the Xbox One itself, which confuses matters more).

@BigShotSmoov007: In terms of hardware? Unequivocally.

However, in terms of hardware, most consoles ever made are or were shitty. There would be very few, in my opinion, that were not- SNES, Dreamcast, Gamecube, Xbox, Xbox 360, and PS4 are it, basically.

Surely the TV portion of the game is 1080p at least? Though those won't be 30fps either...

@speak_low: Lol oh wow. First of all you got me mixed up with another user. I never said PSVR would fail due to competition from vive/rift. In fact i never said it would fail at all. I don't care how much it sales, it's just a shitty fad. Secondly you pretty much went full cow so our convo is over. There's no intelligent convo with your ilk.

@charizard1605: You're calling the PS4 powerful?

No, I am calling it not shitty. This means it balances (a reasonable amount of) power with cost, accessibility, and ease of development, as well as an overall well rounded architecture, with no obvious weaknesses or bottlenecks- this is something that all consoles on that list have in common.

Also, just to pre-empt these arguments, yes, I know the PS4 is weaker than present day PCs. Most consoles are weaker than present day PCs of their time. That is not anything new. Here, consoles are all being assessed on their own merits, and on their own merits, the ones I named were the best designed, thought out ones.

Gotcha although I completely disagree. Not being a fan of a console is one thing but to say the console is "shitty" is another. Was not a fan of the of the Xbox or Gamecube but I would call them "shitty" cause they were consoles that worked fine and delivered on the games it released. The closest console that could be referred to as "shitty" would be the Xbox 360 cause it was a complete mess when it was released due to the red rings but I take it your definition of "shitty" and mind are completely different.

@charizard1605: Here let me use the same technique you used on me. Did you even fucking read the article? It said it ran 30 fps almost always even with a lot of action going on. Also they said it was an exceptional looking game. Get out of here with your fanboy bs that everyone seems to somehow be blind to.

Anyone?

Well at least you get the pc version for free

Yes, I 'fucking read the article.' Yes, I agreed in my very first post in this thread that it is an exceptional looking game. No, I think any framerate cuts are inconsistent, especially when they have already sacrificed on the resolution- I don't even care about the resolution, sacrifice it to achieve consistent framerate for all I give a f*ck about, but framerate drops is something I am extremely sensitive to, and when a game is already down to 720p, and still can't guarantee 30fps at all times (I'm not even asking for 60fps here! 30 is literally the minimum acceptable), then no, I will call it out, sorry.

Out of curiosity, where exactly were you when I was making this argument in reverse for Halo 5? When I was defending how it looked, or its resolution, because it ran at a consistent 60fps? Or have you conveniently forgotten about that? It's funny how much you and your ilk are eager to jump down my throat and brand me a 'fanboy,' but each time i do anything that doesn't fit your bullshit narrative, times where I praise MS or criticize Sony, you all are mysteriously gone, and don't seem to remember anything about it at all.

Hypocrite much?

At the point you are calling Char a fanboy, you really have taken SWs too seriously. Take a nap, you're a cranky little lem.

Can't be that well thought out when you have Sony making plans for a PS4.5... This generation has been nothing but shitty half-arsed games and broken promises. We were promised 1080p gaming at 60FPS, the X1 failed miserably and the PS4 is not far behind. The big hitter for MS, QB is running at 720p under 30FPS. UC4 was promised to run at 1080p at 60FPS, now its running at half that.

Yeah, we always knew that 900pStation and 720pBox sucks for gaming and powered by ancient tech. Now QB on PC, that's a totally different story.

Well that came as a surprise.

I'm still interested playing on my Xbox One and I'll be playing the PC version after I beat the first round. Looking forward to Quantum Break.

It seems to me you're doing a lot of speculating right now, the only thing they've been able to pin down is the output resolution is 1080p, aside from that Digital Foundry doesn't even know what's going on in game and you're acting as if you're in the know?

They're having to reach out to Remedy for crying out loud, they can't even figure it out.

Ah, I understand.

See, if I am to assess a system on the whole, holistically, then yes, you and I are in agreement, and the Xbox One is definitely not 'shitty' at all- it does what it is meant to do reasonably, although not entirely, well, it has most big games of this generation, and a good amount of multimedia features too! However, my assessment in the previous post was solely on the basis of hardware. In which case, I was looking at what consoles balanced (a reasonable amount of) power with cost, accessibility, and ease of development, as well as an overall well rounded architecture, with no obvious weaknesses or bottlenecks- and I think you will agree that all the systems I named met all of that criteria! In those terms, however, anything with an obvious weakness is pretty shitty, in my opinion, because a console is meant to do one thing, and that is to play games- and if it makes that difficult, then it has failed at its one job.

In my opinion, the Xbox One fails in that regard. The Wii U fails. The PS3 failed. The PS2 failed. The Sega Saturn failed. The ones I named were the best designed ones of their era, however.

The PS4.5 is not anything new, it is a part of a long term strategy Sony announced back when they first announced the move to x86, my friend. That is one of the benefits that being on x86 nets them.

Fair enough. I'll wait till the game is out for the final word. Right now I admit i am basing my assessment off of what Digital Foundry have said.

It's a sad day when people need to cap on the strongest console to justify the scorched earth mentality that protects the XBone.

Last-gen, it was suicide to make a console that launched more than $400. Now, people want to throw the PS4 under a bus for actually designing a product that reflects that market reality. Eff that noise. That PS4 is a great console, hardware-wise. No one has to buy this line of thought. Not when we're supposed to compare consoles to single-card SLI behemoths and such. No one would buy a $1000 console, and setting the bar there is disengenuous. Not just for the PS4 but for the entire future consoles as well.

I understand what you are saying, alot if not all consoles really live up to the hype it bring and promotes before it's launched and I can't really think of any that did. Maybe the PS2 did at the end of it's life cycle did but most of them just don't, they just blow smoke up our ass until we see what they really give us. Although, I do agree that the X1 still outputting games at 720p this gen is unacceptable, MS needs to do something with the hardware to fix this issue cause it isn't like all their games have this issue so I don't know what the issue with this game is.

So the future of consoles is small, incremental updates that mean buying a whole new device? Holy shit, better get Apple on the phone!

I imagine if I were to play the game, and the game was fun and had no major graphical glitches that made the game unplayable.. I'm good. You seem to be angry for no reason, and upset that others are not mad, and will not be mad only because you tell them to be. I can tell you in the really real world, none of this matters, 1080p and 720p don't really matter to a majority of people. People care about playability, and enjoyment. And I know, much to your disdain, a game being native 720p and not 1080p does not make a game unplayable.

@charizard1605: I almost never seen you defend anything Microsoft. I all I see you do is being hypocritical and praising Sony for what you would put down Microsoft for. Your flip flops on console exclusives being good with PS4 but bad with Xbox One to the point where you'd say youd spend hundreds more on a PC was especially cringe worthy. Also how you said TLG showed how Sony cared about the gaming business was also cancer worthy. The only thing you have to justify your comments is a bunch of cows that will of course take your side on the matter, and people who suck up to you because you're a mod. It's all just a joke.

@Shewgenja: dottheshoes just said everything that needed to be said to you.

Good point, that can be the remedy.

@lostrib: whole post....whole post.

@dotWithShoes:

You make a good point and I agree with most of what you say, the issue I think more gamers have and not fanboys is that at this time in the cycle when you had these companies talk so much about high res, better looking games, 1080p 60fps, you expect that for your investment. Now the PS4 isn't giving gamers that fully either and that's where the hypocrisy is cause Uncharted isn't 1080p 60 frames either and I know none of these Sony fanboys will rage against that game like any game on the X1 that doesn't reach that but to release games 720p is unacceptable. We know the X1 struggles to reach 1080p but they should at least reach a standard of 900p on their games.

@charizard1605: I've been saying it's a shitty console for almost 3 years now. Where the **** have you been?

Yes, I think all said and done, Sony did about as reasonably well as they could have been expected to with the PS4- and they certainly did better than Microsoft, which I find amusing, because I was told for four years straight that Microsoft is the richest company on earth, and Sony is impoverished, so MS's console should outdo Sony's easily.

He doesn't play Wii U games, he hates consoles in general.

Can you not bring Nintendo up in an argument that literally has nothing to do with them? Can you just not bring Nintendo up for once in general? You have a bizarre fixation with them.

Yeah, basically. Microsoft have already shown us they can design good console hardware twice- why they faltered with the Xbox One the way they did is beyond me.

It seems that is what we are moving towards, yes.

The next time you respond to someone, try to actually respond to the discussion on hand, instead of attacking the other person- at this point it is evident you have no actual substantive response to what I said, meaning I was, ultimately, right.

Admittedly I've missed those posts, but alright, fair enough.

Chaz with the el tormo quote chains

I'll still be there day 1, but damn that's disappointing.

@dotWithShoes: Still doesn't undo the fact that the XBONE is a shit console with a shit design philosophy and also doesn't undo the fact that many of us here could play the game in 1080p or even 4k on day one because it is also a PC title.

@charizard1605:

I mean we know why they faltered with the X1, they wanted an all-in-one media box kinda like mobile gaming. It's games, It show movies, it shows cable, this was their dream and gamers raged against it but the final hardware specs was set so it was too late to go back to the drawing board. It's funny cause MS focus was an all-in-one media box that games and Sony idea was a gaming box that can be all-in-one. Both consoles are going down the same path but Sony turned into that path slowly this gen where MS wanted to start out in that path and now slowly turning back into the gaming lane.

lol, awesome. Still gonna enjoy the heck out of it.

Which console was marketed as being powerful than 99.76765666656788888% of PCs and referred to as the supercharged PC?

beat me to it lol

@primorandomguy: Aww, now you want to be Little Dog and deputize a Big Dog to fight for you. How typical.. precious.. but typical.

@charizard1605: You're right about what exactly? I know what you post, I know what you mean. The fact that you agree with the likes shewenga, and the fact you say the PS4 is just so much more powerful than the X1, on this very thread mind you, proves that I'm ultimately right.

I think you have nailed it, but it is an important distinction, even though it may not seem like it- Sony decided to design a gaming console first, that they then expanded the functionality of. Microsoft decided to make a media box first, which also happened to be a gaming console. Ultimately, that's why the PS4 ended up being embraced by the masses, because it's the 'purest' gaming console we have this gen (I mean, in a sense, the Wii U is, but it is laden with nonsensical gimmickry that makes it unappealing).

Where exactly did i say the PS4 is 'so much more powerful than the X1' in this thread? I'll wait, find me that post. They're all quoted, too, so there's no danger of me editing something out.

@Shewgenja: You're just a lost cause. The X1 could come out with AAAE after AAAE and you'd still call it shit, with no reasoning behind it might I add. You call out people with childish insults and psychotic outbursts.