LOL. Quantum Break on X1 is 720p without locked 30 FPS

@primorandomguy: Would it really shock you to know that I'm not actually a Cow? My interest in gaming has little to do with cheering on brand names like a sporting event.

Charizard understands this reality. You don't need to name drop to get your point across. Especially when the name you're dropping doesn't even represent what you are trying to convey.

This is a bigger problem to me than the resolution. Looks kinda clunky.

http://imgur.com/yEg0TGz

@charizard1605:

Completely agree, I think both companies had the same idea and as you can see, they are doing the same things. Sony gave us a steak dinner with mashed potatoes on a plate, MS gave us a steak dinner and mashed potatoes on a trash can lid. The same exact steak dinner and potatoes but presented is to us completely different. I still don't think it's a "shitty" console though lol.

@primorandomguy: Then you've probably missed the posts where I said that Scalebound might just be the game that makes me get an Xbone. Granted, I'd buy the console used and not reactivate gold on my Live account, but that doesn't exactly fit your narrative of me.

Same with Alan wake. They tried to do too much and they aren't exactly savvy. Leave that to the naughty dogs remedy. You lost the fight.

@dynamitecop:

LOL. You really have no idea with resolutions.

Game isn't native 1080p. Every game on Xbone/PS4 has final image output 1080p. Render output is something else. Remedy said at Siggraph that final image output is 1080p. Doesn't mean it is full 1080p.

DF CLEARLY said :

In every scene tested so far, a native resolution of 720p is the consistent result found in each pixel count test - so while there's every possibility of individual render targets operating at higher resolutions, basic geometry that we're able to measure hands in a 720p result as things stand.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-hands-on-with-quantum-break

Lol, in the end, holistically and functionally, I don't think the Xbox One is shitty at all- as I said, it is a cheap, reasonably powerful console that plays most games from this generation, has a great online service, with a lot of multimedia functionality, a great controller, and very good reliability. My 'shitty' assessment is just restricted to the hardware side of things :p

Shouldn't we wait for that to happen first? When is the Xbone even getting an exclusive this year?

@charizard1605: You said the PS4 hardware isn't shit while X1 hardware is. I mean how else could you interpret that? Also they're almost identical in power.

opinion man, opinion. I will today, as I have for the past 30 years, stick by the fact that if I can enjoy playing a game, and not have any major graphical glitches that interfere with my ability to play the game, I will. You can continue to be mad, as you are being, but the affect that anger will have on anyone other than you is zero. When I close this webpage, and go to work in about 8 minutes, you caring about a game being 720p, 1080p, or even 4k is going to matter not to me.

@charizard1605:

Gotcha!!!!!!!

Hey braniac, the UI's are natively rendered at 1080p, the only way that is accomplished is if the render output is 1080p, otherwise it would be upscaled which it is not. That doesn't mean the game itself doesn't have other rendering resolutions taking place internally but it's actually outputting natively at 1080p.

I also flat out gave the reasons, twice, for why I think so, and power had very little to do with that, if you actually read those posts. Just for your benefit, let me copy and paste it here a third time.

I was looking at what consoles balanced (a reasonable amount of) power with cost, accessibility, and ease of development, as well as an overall well rounded architecture, with no obvious weaknesses or bottlenecks.

In those terms, however, anything with an obvious weakness is pretty shitty, in my opinion, because a console is meant to do one thing, and that is to play games- and if it makes that difficult, then it has failed at its one job.

In my opinion, the Xbox One fails in that regard. The Wii U fails. The PS3 failed. The PS2 failed. The Sega Saturn failed. The ones I named were the best designed ones of their era, however.

Best designed. I don't even care as much about power, if I did, I wouldn't have called the PS3 shitty.

Are you a PC player?

@kratosyoloswag: It might not have ever happened but the X1 has games like Forza Horizon 2, Rare Replay, Halo 5, Halo MCC, Forza 5 and 6, Killer Instinct, Gears Ultimate Edition, Dead Rising 3, Sunset Overdrive, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and the upcoming Quantum Break, granted some of these can be played on PC, but none of the games listed are on PS4. And all the games I listed are well received by critics and users. And the X1 is still called shit even with all that. Point proven.

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Do you see what happened there? For years they did not announced the PC version because they gave the Bone owners hope that there's a bright future when it comes to exclusives. A month before the release, they announced the PC version. Weeks before release, its now running in 720p. Let me ask you this simple question, lems. If this game was confirmed to be on pc and running in 720p on the Bone since 2013, would you be interested? Of course you will say "yes" because you're already stuck with the laughable version but in reality you know damn well that its simply pathetic. For all those years they showed you BS, bs that was running on pc while you thought it was on Xbone lol. Now your game is in 720p. A 720p game in 2016. What a great console.

Why does it matter? The definition of AAAE doesn't change if I'm a PC player or not. You don't see me going around claiming games like Street Fighter V, The Witness, Firewatch, and No Man's Sky are exclusive.

Cinematic experiences...

It's sooooooooooo ugly. Very visible in games like Remember Me and Rise of the TR. And the former gives you no option to turn it off.

This game is a shit show.

I like the idea of processing certain elements at a lower resolution. This is done in CG to improve performance. Why didn't I think of that for real time applications? :( Regardless I am going to steal this technique.

@charizard1605: But the X1 is not difficult to work with or develop with. Which all the other consoles you listed are. I'll give you credit the PS4 has no bottlenecks and is a better developed machine for purely developing games, but it matters not when it can't even hit 1080p with 60 fps, with most games.

I asked you a simple yes or no question, already on the defensive before even answering the question lol, typical fanboy reaction so I take it that's a no.

But the Xbox One has a bottleneck. The Xbox One has trouble running most games on par with the baseline development spec for this generation, multiple big multiplatform games have suffered on the Xbox One. Like I said, a gaming console has one job, and one job only, which is to enable the development and consumption of games, and when one does not do that properly, when one has failed at literally the one job that it was given, then in my opinion, it is a shitty console in terms of the hardware.

You will also note, throughout this thread, that I:

• Only called the Xbox One shitty when it came to the hardware architecture side of things;
• Praised the Xbox one for being a reasonably good console twice;
• Always, multiple times, reiterated in all my posts that what I was saying was only my opinion

So I really don't know what the problem is. The argument made seems to be one you don't disagree with, and it is always stated in the subjective conditional- so what bone do you have to pick with me, exactly? This seems to be an argument for an argument's sake, where non should even exist.

Still waiting for a response on my original question.

You didn't ask me any question so what are you talking about. I asked you a question LOL.

This thread is in a heavy need of the Xbox One "HELP" gif hahah

@charizard1605: Yes I saw where you stated the X1 was Reasonably good console. But you also ignored my point that the PS4 can't even hit 1080p, 60fps on most games. And those multiplats games that apparently "suffer" on X1 are marginal differences and that has been proven time and time again with side by side graphics comparisons. There is not one that I watched where the PS4 looks even remotely better than the X1 version. They look identical every time.

You responded to my question with another question. The question doesn't have to be directed at you. When is the Xbone getting an exclusive this year?

You didn't ask me that question and I asked you are you a PC player?

Scalebound will probably be the same deal, it looks even more intensive than this game. Then again Kamiya's not a hack.

Maaaan I hope MS fixes the Windows 10 PC store and that game gets a good port. Or just get outta here MS.

Framerate drops are not 'marginal,' and the Xbox One suffers those the most, including with this game itself.

And yes, a lot of PS4 games don't hit that resolution and framerate, but most of the times, when a developer has aimed for that resolution and framerate on the PS4, they have hit it- Uncharted 4 is the only exception to this that I can even think of. On Xbox One, we have seen time and time again that developers have to sacrifice one or the other (usually resolution) to get the game running on par.

Regardless, this was not even a comparison of the two together, I was assessing each console individually.

Btw, isn't this supposed to be their first DX12 title (or was it Battlefront, another 720p game LOL)? What an entry, DX12 is doing work for the Bone. Lots of power was gained that day, we even reached 720p.

This is the first Xbox One DX12 title, but the first DX12 title period was Hitman.

I take it you can't answer my question? So quick to come to defend the Xbone but you can't even answer that question. The person I asked the question to dodged it anyways.

Sweet mother of god. DX12 is doing work. Xbox One became supercharged, guys.

Does anyone in this thread ever take a step back, look at their posts, and realize "holy **** my life"?

I do, all the time. I hate my life. And myself.

Mostly my life.

Save me.

Please.

@charizard1605: If you read most of the DF articles they even state most games are identical on both consoles with maybe a screen tear here or there or a frame drop here and there present on X1 but absent on PS4. I've played all kinds of multiplats on my X1 and they have performed well. And look at all the exclusives on X1 that hits 1080p 60 fps. Or even 1080p 30fps and suffers from no hiccups in performance. Of course I'm open to any kind of proof you have to prove me wrong and I'll revoke my statement.

@primorandomguy: I bet it has weak sales so lems won't be playing it either.

Well first of all you didn't direct any question at me, I simply asked are you a PC player and you went full fanboy defense mode LOL. Me asking you a question is defending MS LOL how so? And you still haven't given me a yes or no to my question that I posed to you. Simply put if you not a PC gamer than any game coming out on the X1 that you can't play on the PC is a game you not going to be playing so pretty much makes them an exclusive you can't play. Fanboys and typically all of a sudden Sony fanboys are all of a sudden PC players LOL. They know they not going to buy a gaming rig to play those X1/PC games they just want to brag that X1 games are going to the PC, that was my point.

Well... I guess the XB1 just got...

.. Quantum Broken!!

I'll see myself out now.

@StrongBlackVine: I'll be playing it on my X1. And nah with it coming out on PC too I'm sure it'll sell well. Now if it only came out on X1 I'd agree the sales wouldn't be too great. But that's just an assumptiom we'll never have a way of knowing.

@primorandomguy: Charizard makes some of the more well thought out topics on this forum. Truth hurts I guess.

But like I said, I am extremely sensitive to framerate drops- in general, I get motion sickness from games very easily. Framerate drops, even minor ones, are an issue for me. For instance, MK8's multiplayer mode had this problem at launch where it skipped every 60th frame- and though that is imperceptible for most people, it was enough of an issue for me to avoid the online multiplayer until it was patched out. Periodic framerate drops may be minor to a lot of people- but they legitimately matter to me!

I am pretty sure he has no other account (though if you do know something, please message me or one of the other mods about it). That said, I'll tackle all your points one by one:

• Agreed that he never has anything to add to the discussion. In general, it is dealt with where necessary; where not, I have found the best solution is to ignore him (and other posters like him) because they thrive on generating angry responses. You are a smart poster who will spend time and effort into typing up a well reasoned and thought out response to him, but that is all lost on him. There's no point.
• To be fair, I brought up the PS4 only in response to others bringing it up (or as it does serve as the direct point of comparison to the Xbox One).
• I definitely agree with you that QB running at 720p and not even guaranteeing a 30fps framerate is pathetic- in fact, I have made multiple posts in this thread to this effect.
• The big problem is that I don't think the Wii U actually belongs in this same discussion. It does not sell to the same demographic, does not get the same games, does not even belong to the same development ecosystem that the PS4 and Xbox One do. Also, its issues and its inability to sell are far more wide ranging than it not being able to hit 1080p (which it actually has done a fair few times). Its a whole another can of worms, really.
• With that said, I certainly understand your reasoning and where you are coming from far better now, and i admit I was unfair to you in my initial post.
• While I don't think that 1080p matters as much to the general public, the perception issue of the PS4 being considered a better, more powerful system than the Xbox One is what has caused the general public to gravitate towards the former.

@Desmonic: When it came to promoting this game as an XBONE exclusive, someone should have...

Hit the Quantum Brakes.

That's a quote of mine from about 7 months ago, haha.

Here's the nearly 7 month old thread where a fanboy was lying and claimed Remedy won Siggraph 2015 (they didn't) which was unfair to the actual Siggraph winners.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/quantum-break-1080p-revealed-at-siggraph-2015-32363441/

Couldn't care less about the Xbox One version. It'll be best on PC, just like everything else.

I could be wrong but I think that was just the single player mode where that happened. Then online or offline multiplayer it didn't happen.

Sounds crazy but you can notice when it hits 59 because it happened like clockwork.