Mass Effect Impressions

i never said they couldn't... i don't get what you trying to imply.. man you two are giving me a head ache... Verge buts in with comments that aren't contributiing anything at all. And you go totally off topic.

Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="myke2010"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

I thought that is was common knowledge that in the business world, even if your company moves to another mother- company, you still have to honor ALL time-committments to the prior mother-company you were under until they expire. In some cases, the contract can be indefinite.I'll let you take a potshot at what kind of contract MS and Bioware made with one another regarding the first ME.

Adrian_Cloud

lol, no you don't. Too human has now been o three different platforms if thats any evidence. And appearantly thats whole contract thing is void since EA now owns all the rights to there games :|.

Don't have the contract.. just do some research?

WOW, that's without a doubt the most ignorant statement I've seen in some time. If EA refused to honor the contract MS signed with Bioware over ME they would get the crap sued out of them. EA knows this, MS knows this, most people who have ever signed a contract for anything know this. How you don't know this implies you have never had a business dealing before in your entire life.

Let me put it this way. If you signed a contract to buy a Honda and immediately following Honda got bought out by Toyota you don't automatically get a free car. The contract simply transfers to Toyota and you would now owe them the remainder of the payment to Toyota. If you tried to say the contract was void you would wind up in court so fast your head would spin and you'd have a collosal black mark on your credit.

Its even more simple... Mass Effect in 2008 on PC/PS3 on 08. Is a simple prediction of probable events. Now to make it even simpler your implying that there is this grand contract that has this game locked up till kingdom come, dont imply or even suggest that. To make matters even easier EA owns the rights, now the main quarrel was with MS being the said "publisher", of a game of which they neither own or are going to publish.

there i saved you money and time. If you disagree about anything else PM... this threads needs to die.

And how would you know when the contractual agreement runs out?

More self-ownage served here:lol:

i never said they couldn't... i don't get what you trying to imply.. man you two are giving me a head ache... Verge buts in with comments that aren't contributiing anything at all. And you go totally off topic.

Adrian_Cloud

Let me set you straight.

When a publisher publishes a game, they make a contract with a developer. The developer makes the game using funds from the publisher, and the publisher will distribute the game. The exact terms naturally depend on the contract, but the terms in that contract must be honored unless both parties pull out of the contract or the contract voids itself (example: a contract for console exclusivity for three years would be voided on its own after three years).

Take a game like Grand Theft Auto, which is published by Take Two in the US, and by Capcom overseas. Take Two pays Rockstar to make the game, and has a contract to distribute the game in North America and Europe. They will not distribute the game in Japan. This means that Capcom can step in and distribute the game in that territory. Similar things have occured often. Even Phantom Dust, a Microsoft Game Studios title, only came out in the US because it was published by Majesco.

The point is this: if Microsoft made a contract with Bioware stating that they were publishing the game, and the contract did not allow the game to be ported to any other consoles or published by any other publisher at any future time, then it won't happen unless Bioware and Microsoft both agree otherwise. Microsoft, after all, is still publishing the game. Just check Gamespot's page on Mass Effect if you don't believe me. Microsoft has a contract to publish that game, and that contract allows them to prevent it from going to platforms they don't want it to go on.

PC in 08/09? Possible. It happened to Gears, and it could happen to Mass Effect, theoretically. PS3? Cannot possibly happen.

[QUOTE="myke2010"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

I thought that is was common knowledge that in the business world, even if your company moves to another mother- company, you still have to honor ALL time-committments to the prior mother-company you were under until they expire. In some cases, the contract can be indefinite.I'll let you take a potshot at what kind of contract MS and Bioware made with one another regarding the first ME.

Adrian_Cloud

lol, no you don't. Too human has now been o three different platforms if thats any evidence. And appearantly thats whole contract thing is void since EA now owns all the rights to there games :|.

Don't have the contract.. just do some research?

WOW, that's without a doubt the most ignorant statement I've seen in some time. If EA refused to honor the contract MS signed with Bioware over ME they would get the crap sued out of them. EA knows this, MS knows this, most people who have ever signed a contract for anything know this. How you don't know this implies you have never had a business dealing before in your entire life.

Let me put it this way. If you signed a contract to buy a Honda and immediately following Honda got bought out by Toyota you don't automatically get a free car. The contract simply transfers to Toyota and you would now owe them the remainder of the payment to Toyota. If you tried to say the contract was void you would wind up in court so fast your head would spin and you'd have a collosal black mark on your credit.

Its even more simple... Mass Effect in 2008 on PC/PS3 on 08. Is a simple prediction of probable events. Now to make it even simpler your implying that there is this grand contract that has this game locked up till kingdom come, dont imply or even suggest that. To make matters even easier EA owns the rights, now the main quarrel was with MS being the said "publisher", of a game of which they neither own or are going to publish.

there i saved you money and time. If you disagree about anything else PM... this threads needs to die.

MS paid Bioware for exclusive rights to the first instalment of ME. EA bought Bioware. Effectively MS has now paid EA for exclusive rights to the first ME. Unless EA or Sony agrees a massive lump sum to buy those rights back from MS, you'll never see ME1 on a PS3. Unless of course the PS3 suddenly becomes a roaring success and MS deicdes to publish games on that platform (not gonna happen).

Or MS could go bankrupt and the liquidators could sell back the rights to EA. Clearly that won't happen either.

Someone needs to go brush up on their contract law.

This is my homage to this thread and Mass Effect as a whole.

kevy619 started this thread to say how Mass Effect is so great

and we all love it but are filled with so much hate:P

then we got Zero5000X wanting it for his PS3

not realizing he aint gonna get pleased

next we got wu-tang saying how the enviroments are so lame

then my man Verge_6 asks, dude, have you even played this game?

Clearly wu-tang is smoking some hardcore weed

with Verge_6 asking, dude, can you share that stuff please.

In the end we all love Mass Effect because it is so great

but the problem is, we just can not stand the wait!

DHReese

Typical Scene

KOTOR HD CONFIRMED!:lol:

MS paid Bioware for exclusive rights to the first instalment of ME. EA bought Bioware. Effectively MS has now paid EA for exclusive rights to the first ME. Unless EA or Sony agrees a massive lump sum to buy those rights back from MS, you'll never see ME1 on a PS3. Unless of course the PS3 suddenly becomes a roaring success and MS deicdes to publish games on that platform (not gonna happen).

Or MS could go bankrupt and the liquidators could sell back the rights to EA. Clearly that won't happen either.

Someone needs to go brush up on their contract law.

mruurds

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

i never said they couldn't... i don't get what you trying to imply.. man you two are giving me a head ache... Verge buts in with comments that aren't contributiing anything at all. And you go totally off topic.

sonicmj1

Let me set you straight.

When a publisher publishes a game, they make a contract with a developer. The developer makes the game using funds from the publisher, and the publisher will distribute the game. The exact terms naturally depend on the contract, but the terms in that contract must be honored unless both parties pull out of the contract or the contract voids itself (example: a contract for console exclusivity for three years would be voided on its own after three years).

Take a game like Grand Theft Auto, which is published by Take Two in the US, and by Capcom overseas. Take Two pays Rockstar to make the game, and has a contract to distribute the game in North America and Europe. They will not distribute the game in Japan. This means that Capcom can step in and distribute the game in that territory. Similar things have occured often. Even Phantom Dust, a Microsoft Game Studios title, only came out in the US because it was published by Majesco.

The point is this: if Microsoft made a contract with Bioware stating that they were publishing the game, and the contract did not allow the game to be ported to any other consoles or published by any other publisher at any future time, then it won't happen unless Bioware and Microsoft both agree otherwise. Microsoft, after all, is still publishing the game. Just check Gamespot's page on Mass Effect if you don't believe me. Microsoft has a contract to publish that game, and that contract allows them to prevent it from going to platforms they don't want it to go on.

PC in 08/09? Possible. It happened to Gears, and it could happen to Mass Effect, theoretically. PS3? Cannot possibly happen.

Daaaaaaammmmmnn!!! Just reading that made me feel like I wanted to hide in a corner, and he wasnt even talking to me! :shock:

[QUOTE="mruurds"]

MS paid Bioware for exclusive rights to the first instalment of ME. EA bought Bioware. Effectively MS has now paid EA for exclusive rights to the first ME. Unless EA or Sony agrees a massive lump sum to buy those rights back from MS, you'll never see ME1 on a PS3. Unless of course the PS3 suddenly becomes a roaring success and MS deicdes to publish games on that platform (not gonna happen).

Or MS could go bankrupt and the liquidators could sell back the rights to EA. Clearly that won't happen either.

Someone needs to go brush up on their contract law.

WuTangG

Clearly ;)

[QUOTE="WuTangG"][QUOTE="mruurds"]

MS paid Bioware for exclusive rights to the first instalment of ME. EA bought Bioware. Effectively MS has now paid EA for exclusive rights to the first ME. Unless EA or Sony agrees a massive lump sum to buy those rights back from MS, you'll never see ME1 on a PS3. Unless of course the PS3 suddenly becomes a roaring success and MS deicdes to publish games on that platform (not gonna happen).

Or MS could go bankrupt and the liquidators could sell back the rights to EA. Clearly that won't happen either.

Someone needs to go brush up on their contract law.

mruurds

Clearly ;)

One thing though, the sequels might be under the obligation, and anything announced before the takeover is still valid, so yes, strong chance of the series going multi, but at the same time MS will not let it happen

But hey, all Cows have super-high end PCs they can play it on:lol:

[QUOTE="myke2010"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

I thought that is was common knowledge that in the business world, even if your company moves to another mother- company, you still have to honor ALL time-committments to the prior mother-company you were under until they expire. In some cases, the contract can be indefinite.I'll let you take a potshot at what kind of contract MS and Bioware made with one another regarding the first ME.

Adrian_Cloud

lol, no you don't. Too human has now been o three different platforms if thats any evidence. And appearantly thats whole contract thing is void since EA now owns all the rights to there games :|.

Don't have the contract.. just do some research?

WOW, that's without a doubt the most ignorant statement I've seen in some time. If EA refused to honor the contract MS signed with Bioware over ME they would get the crap sued out of them. EA knows this, MS knows this, most people who have ever signed a contract for anything know this. How you don't know this implies you have never had a business dealing before in your entire life.

Let me put it this way. If you signed a contract to buy a Honda and immediately following Honda got bought out by Toyota you don't automatically get a free car. The contract simply transfers to Toyota and you would now owe them the remainder of the payment to Toyota. If you tried to say the contract was void you would wind up in court so fast your head would spin and you'd have a collosal black mark on your credit.

Its even more simple... Mass Effect in 2008 on PC/PS3 on 08. Is a simple prediction of probable events. Now to make it even simpler your implying that there is this grand contract that has this game locked up till kingdom come, dont imply or even suggest that. To make matters even easier EA owns the rights, now the main quarrel was with MS being the said "publisher", of a game of which they neither own or are going to publish.

there i saved you money and time. If you disagree about anything else PM... this threads needs to die.

"Implying there is this grand contract" Yes, because massive corporations like EA and MS always agree to publishing rights without extremely extensive and thought out contracts reviewed by small hordes of legal experts. Seriously, that's simply ridiculous.

Now does this contract extend to the end of time, maybe, maybe not. Without looking at the contract that is impossible to know but if is a possibility any rational person must assume could be true. However, if the contract does expire it's safe to assume that MS would have guarenteed the game be exclusive to it's console for at least a few years. Also, contracts do often detail exclusives as being on console only. Just look at GeoW. It's being published on the PC, but MS still exercises the right to not have it ported to the PS3. It's common sense to expect the contract between Bioware and MS read similiarly.

Also, this thread doesn't need to die, only this ludicrous argument that cows insisted on dragging in here. I find the thread itself to be very informative.

"Implying there is this grand contract" Yes, because massive corporations like EA and MS always agree to publishing rights without extremely extensive and thought out contracts reviewed by small hordes of legal experts. Seriously, that's simply ridiculous.

Now does this contract extend to the end of time, maybe, maybe not. Without looking at the contract that is impossible to know but if is a possibility any rational person must assume could be true. However, if the contract does expire it's safe to assume that MS would have guarenteed the game be exclusive to it's console for at least a few years. Also, contracts do often detail exclusives as being on console only. Just look at GeoW. It's being published on the PC, but MS still exercises the right to not have it ported to the PS3. It's common sense to expect the contract between Bioware and MS read similiarly.

myke2010

As foe GeOW, its published on PC BY MS which doesnt have a sole owner unlike consoles

[QUOTE="Funkyhamster"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Fuzzy_Munch"]

[QUOTE="kevy619"]7 hours in, this is shaping up to be the best game Ive ever played. Cows, Hermits, Sheep, go get a 360 and mass effect.blue_hazy_basic

Can you just go to planets and goof around and explore forever if you want. Or does it make you follow a strick path on each planet?

Meaning is it like total freeroam like Oblivion?

Anyway back on topic. It wasn't so much the free roaming aspect I was interested in, but rather how long the game could be extended by/replayability with the extra "random" planets, and whether they were worth visiting.

:o

I agree totally.

Morrowind was awesome.

WAAAAAAAY more guilds to be in.

i might just wait for the PS3 version.Zero5000X

you should do stand-up. i hear the whole sarcasm bit is all the rage now XD

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]i might just wait for the PS3 version.Verge_6

There IS no PS3 version, and there never will be. MS owns the rights to the first ME.

Mass Effect will most likely come to PC and PS3 in 2008, but i'll give this game a rent a long with Assasins Creed. Its kinda funny how every extremely hyped game 360 fans play... is "the best game ever".Adrian_Cloud

you could say the same for ps3 owners. look at lair. ppl expected a blow-away game. now with uncharted. EVERY semi-hyped game for the PS3 gets WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy to over hyped and it ends up making any fan of the PS3 (fanboy ofr otherwise) look stupid. you guys should keep a tighter leash on your fanboys.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]i might just wait for the PS3 version.niall077

There IS no PS3 version, and there never will be. MS owns the rights to the first ME.

....I suggest you read the three pages prior to this one and educate yourself.

heh my friend actually got a copy of it from kmart aswell

brought my hdd to his house and played for bout an hour but then he kicked me off lol

anyway i saw him play a bit also, from what i can tell im loving this game, and cant wait to play it some more

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

i never said they couldn't... i don't get what you trying to imply.. man you two are giving me a head ache... Verge buts in with comments that aren't contributiing anything at all. And you go totally off topic.

sonicmj1

Let me set you straight.

When a publisher publishes a game, they make a contract with a developer. The developer makes the game using funds from the publisher, and the publisher will distribute the game. The exact terms naturally depend on the contract, but the terms in that contract must be honored unless both parties pull out of the contract or the contract voids itself (example: a contract for console exclusivity for three years would be voided on its own after three years).

Take a game like Grand Theft Auto, which is published by Take Two in the US, and by Capcom overseas. Take Two pays Rockstar to make the game, and has a contract to distribute the game in North America and Europe. They will not distribute the game in Japan. This means that Capcom can step in and distribute the game in that territory. Similar things have occured often. Even Phantom Dust, a Microsoft Game Studios title, only came out in the US because it was published by Majesco.

The point is this: if Microsoft made a contract with Bioware stating that they were publishing the game, and the contract did not allow the game to be ported to any other consoles or published by any other publisher at any future time, then it won't happen unless Bioware and Microsoft both agree otherwise. Microsoft, after all, is still publishing the game. Just check Gamespot's page on Mass Effect if you don't believe me. Microsoft has a contract to publish that game, and that contract allows them to prevent it from going to platforms they don't want it to go on.

PC in 08/09? Possible. It happened to Gears, and it could happen to Mass Effect, theoretically. PS3? Cannot possibly happen.

I felt a tingle...and a chill. :P

GOD why did EA have to buy Bioware?? Why? Stupid rich company with the license to the NFL..tccavey2

7 hours in, this is shaping up to be the best game Ive ever played. Cows, Hermits, Sheep, go get a 360 and mass effect.kevy619

rofl, how about no :lol:

You're on a 360 hatin' spree today. lol. first Ninja Gaiden 2...now Mass Effect? Stop trying to rain on the parade. Dreams-Visions

*Sigh*

...You're not serious, right? Verge_6

:lol: