METAL GEAR SOLID 5 CONFIRMED BY HIDEO KOJIMA! New Fox engine!

This is Godly news!

Best series in gaming. FACT.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Plagueless"] Because the cows in this thread want the game to be PS3 exclusive so the 360 doesn't "hold it back." Which is absolute bogus. They only want it to be exclusive so that they can have internet bragging rights.Plagueless

Ok I can agree with Portal 2 and Skyrim but all the rest is crap! And nothing can compete with Demon's Souls, Uncharted, Europa Universalis, Infamous, Killzone IMO. The difference is with these games you can see they are polished to a very high extent. Mass Effect is ok and everything but there's alot missing IMO. Skyrim has nice atmosphere but the combat sucks. ETC. IMO.

Can't be Solid Snake, it's impossible. Could be Big Boss Snake though.

If it's for this gen I wonder if it will be a multiplat? The MGS4 engine can't be done on 360 (inb4lemsb!tchandsayotherwise, Kojima said 360 can't handle it HIMSELF), so if Fox Engine is going to be more powerful then it wouldn't be a multiplat engine. Or it would be weaker. But I guess anything is possible with Kojima.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] I said IF you clown fvcker

charizard1605

Tenacious D: Pick of Destiny. Or something. You like it?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Optimized means power. It was running on optimized power from the PS3. The 360 can't handle it dude, doesn't mean 360 is bad, just not as powerful.

This has been proven time and time again, I can prove it if you want me to.

Inconsistancy

Being optimized for a weird ass processor, and a dated ass video card means it wont 'just' run on the more normal processor and the more modern style gpu w/o serious work.

The consoles are ~equal in power, they just use it in a very different way.

Optimization = program's efficiency, not that there's better hardware.

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Also, posting pictures/videos of exclusive games doesn't 'prove' anything, it comes down to developer skill in the end. ND, if they had focused on the 360's hardware instead, would almost certainly be able to pull off equal graphics in their games.

I proved differently in the other post, and most devs have no problem with developing for the PS3. Early gen some did, but not today.

PS3 development was easy, says COD4 developer -- PlayStation...

Team Ninja Says PS3 Easier To Develop For

PS3 easier to develop for than 360, claim devs -Destructoid

Resident Evil 5 dev: PS3 is not hard to develop for -- PlayStation - PSU

Take into account that (almost) all mutliplats are identical, and that proves my point. If PS3 was truly a pain in the ass to develop for, then we would be seeing massively inferior multiplats for it, which isn't the case at all.

The PS3 has more power than the 360 does, so when a dev decides to make a game ONLY for PS3, they take advantage of that power and you end up getting graphics and tech that the 360 simply could never do, like Uncharted, Killzone, upcoming The Last of Us ect...All of which look miles better than anything on 360.

Doesn't mean Xbox is a bad system, just that it's not as powerful. It's just the truth.

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]I hope it is a PS3 exclusive.crimsonman1245

We can only hope, the HD collection is multiplat though, that has me worried that they are trying to ease 360 fans into the series.

And that a problem because?

@char

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsPFvqguawU

I don't think anyone in their right mind would cares if MGS5 went to 360, except for PS3 fanboys.

However there are legitiment issues with it being on Xbox, for one if it is coming to 360 that means the Fox engine isn't gong to be as powerful as the MGS4 engine, as the MGS4 was too powerful for the 360 to handle (Kojima confirmed it himself, sorry lems it's the truth), so it won't be as good as would be if it was just made exclusive to PS3 and taken advantage of it's power. The game would be downgraded to work on 360.

Also the MGS games are FULL of refrences to the PlayStation and the Sony brand and games, there is no way 360 owners would understand it. They wouldn't understand the story either, it would be too complex for them. They would have no idea who Big Boss is, or Ocelot, or Liquid, or Frank Jaeger (Gray Fox), or where Meryl comes from, or Shadow Moses, or Otacon, or The Philosphers Legacy, or The Patriots. They just won't get it.

And finally playing MGS on anything other than a Dual Shock doesn't work right. The 360 has no pressure sensitive buttons, which is a MUST for the MGS games. Also the layout is only intended for a Dual Shock controller, it just doesn't work as well without one. Basically if your a true MGS fan then you play it on PlayStation.

If you play MGS on anything other than a PlayStation system then your doing it wrong. Not a fanboy answer, just telling the honest truth. Any true MGS fan will tell you the same.

ShadowMoses900

360 can handle it, it's just MGS4 wouldn't work because it was designed for Sonys convoluted hardware, they would have to remake from the ground up probably.

When companies like Crytek are able to squeeze so much more out of the consoles, i'll trust them more.

Hideo saying that MGS4 couldn't work on the 360 means jack.

He also said MGS4 would be the last MGS game. Basically, his word means next-to-nothing, his work means something.

That being said, I feel it'll be a multiplat like Mass Effect 2 PS3 with a filler for the MGS4 story.

Oh, and F*CK all you people for ruining the ending for me.

For those wondering why cows claiming it should be exclusive are being bashed, theres an obvious answer. It's a multiplay franchise. This is different from them saying they wish the next Uncharted game should be exclusive or if a lem said they hope the next Halo game should be exclusive. There is no logical reason as to why MGS5 should be exclusive to PS3. The PS3 is not much different from 360 in terms of power and if you were truly concerned about having the game be as good looking as possible you'd want it on PC. This isn't the wishes of Metal Gear fans, these are cows with entitlement issues. There are only a hand full of game in the series that are exclusive to Playstation systems, the series didn't even start on Playstation. You know if a lem went into a thread about, say, Assassin's Creed III and claimed that is should be a 360 exclusive do you honestly believe no one would confront or criticize them for it. Don't fool yourself, this isn't uncalled for. vashkey

I'm not a cow, and I don't care if it comes to 360. Doesn't bother me at all, I'm just afraid it might not be as good as it could be by having it be a multiplat, if it was just made for PS3 then they could make it look like Uncharted graphics or something.

But I have faith in Kojima, he will pull it off. Only a fanboy would be mad at it coming to 360, I just want it to be good and not "dumbed down" so to speak by coming to 360. If Kojima can avoid dumbing it down then that's fine by me.

More people that get to play the game the better, but I doubt most 360 owners would like the game. The Xbox demographic is different.

I hope if it's multiplat it doesn't come to the 360 otherwise they'll have to dumb it down a lot. Just keep it PS3/PC or something.

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Here you go Xbox fanboys. Don't get butt hurt at me about for telling the truth. You asked for it, now here it is.

This post proves the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, everything in this post is made up of evidence, facts, and proof. Not from me, but from people who all work in the game industry, devs, tech analysts, and even the US Military. People who know what they are talking about. So now I present to you the facts.

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

Uncharted, Killzone, God of War ect... are all impossible on 360. It simply cannot handle them.

Killzone 2 Can't Work on Xbox 360 - Softpedia

Why God of War III is only possible on PS3 | GamesRadar

Uncharted 2 "impossible" on Xbox 360 News ? News ? PlayStation 3 ...

The 360 simply can't handle it. The devs said so themselves. In fact several devs have many things to say on PS3 and 360 power.

EA VP says the Xbox 360 is maxed out but not PS3-- Engadget

BioWare: 360 maxed out - NowGamer

PS3 Not Maxed Out By Killzone 3, says Industry Devs - IndustryGamers

And if your dumb enough to argue with the devs, you know, people who know more than you and I do. Then I would like to see you argue with the US Military Tech Team.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

Yep they made a super computer using PS3's they even said that no other console was powerful enough to do it. Not 360 and not the Wii, just the PS3. Are you going to argue the US Military? Proud men and women who were selected and trained to be the best fighter and tech engineers for air craft and computer systes, are you going to suggest you know more than they do? Didn't think so.

And if that still doesn't do it for you, then let's look at some upcoming games shall we?

Halo 4 - Gameplay Demo Walkthrough E3 2012 [HD] (XBOX 360 ...

The Last of Us E3 2012 HD Gameplay - YouTube

God of War: Ascension E3 2012 Gameplay Demo [HD] - YouTube

No game on 360 even comes close, not even upcoming ones. And if your still going to run from the truth, then all you need to do is look at the pudding for the proof, look at the games. There is NOTHING on 360 that comes close to Uncharted or Killzone or God of War ect...nothing. It can't match it's visuals or tech. So if what you say is true, the then why haven't any 360 games done it yet?

Let's look at the best looking games for each system shall we?

Gears of War 3 Gameplay: Beast Mode -HD - YouTube

The Witcher 2: Xbox 360 HD Game Play- YouTube

Now let's look at the PS3:

Uncharted 3 'Desert Village Gameplay' HD

Uncharted 2 - Village Gameplay HD - YouTube

KILLZONE 2 (HD) GAMEPLAY - YouTube

Killzone 3: Kaznan Jungle Multiplayer Gameplay [HD]

God of War 3 - Kratos vs Cronos Boss Battle Pt 1 (HD) - YouTube

God of War 3 - Poseidon Battle HD - YouTube

There is the proof right there. You can see it all for yourself. Why can't the best looking 360 games match the PS3 games? Because it can't. It's that simple. This doesn't mean 360 is a bad console mind you, or that it has bad graphics, both Gears and Witcher look great, so does Halo 4. But you would be lying to yourself if you thought they looked just as good or better as many PS3 exclusives do.

This is the TRUTH. This is a FACT. I don't know why you just can't accept it? All the proof and evidence shows it, listen to your logic and reason, not your emotions.

ShadowMoses900

Holy Crap. And out comes the fanboy. Look at this great page of butthurt tears:lol:

By the way, what does any of this have to do with MGS4 or MGS5? :roll:

Calling me a "fanboy" doesn't counter any of my evidence. That's not a rebutel, that's a way to run from an argument.

It has everything to do with MGS, the PS3 is capable of doing games that no other console can do, that goes for the 360 as well. Since PS3 IS more powerful than 360, which I just proved, then it's the resaon why MGS4 will NEVER come to 360, and MGS5 FOX engine won't be as powerful as MGS4 engine if it's multiplat.

Devs, tech geniuses, and the US military all confirm my points which I provided evidence for. Do you know more than Devs do? Do you know better then the US Military Tech teams who are the most talented in the world? Do you think you know more than they do? Didn't think so.

You would be an idiot to argue against that. Your argument flopped, get over it. Just accept the truth, stop listening to your emotions and use logic instead.

As anyone honestly suggesting MGS5 wouldn't work on 360? Are people that delusional?

I liked how MGS4 ended, a fifth game feels unneeded.

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't really care if people play it on Xbox, it just doens't make sense though as MGS is just feels more "comfortable" on PlayStation.

But yes it would have to be toned down to work on 360, Kojima even said himself that MGS4 was impossible on 360, not just in terms of disc size either. It's hardware just can't handle it.

Kojima Says MGS4Not Possible on Other Platforms

5-reasons-metal-gear-solid-4-will-never-come-to-360 - GamesRadar

There you go, Kojima said so himself. Anyone who wants to argue with him is an idiot. He knows more than anyone here.

But I don't care if MGS5 is on 360, if it's still good more people can play it and that's all that matters.

ShadowMoses900

From the article:

"because MGS4 was optimized for the PS3 it is probably not possible [to make the game in other formats]."

LOL, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with power, it has to do with the fact that the PS3 is so damn weird to program for, that porting it to 360 would be more trouble than it's worth. Hardware had nothing to do with it.

Optimized means power. It was running on optimized power from the PS3. The 360 can't handle it dude, doesn't mean 360 is bad, just not as powerful.

This has been proven time and time again, I can prove it if you want me to.

I doubt its going to be an exclusive but i'm pumped and i'm ready for it.

As anyone honestly suggesting MGS5 wouldn't work on 360? Are people that delusional?

Stevo_the_gamer

You see, the PS3 can run games better than 360. But, when it does, the games are linear scripted stories where there is much less strain on the GPU, and the Cell can show It's muscle. Plagueless

Infamous 2. Open world. Smooth framerate. Great graphics. Lots of NPCs on screen. Even some destructible environments. Overall much more impressive than all the games you listed.

Well, past Metal gear Solid games have been on other non-playstation systems so I don't understand why cows expect MGS 5 to be exclusive (well, I do, but LOL). Twin Snakes on the Cube? the 3DS remake of Snake Eater? Wasn't there an MGS collection that made it to both the PS3 and 360?

Hope it's coming next gen not on 360 and Ps3.

[QUOTE="vashkey"]For those wondering why cows claiming it should be exclusive are being bashed, theres an obvious answer. It's a multiplay franchise. This is different from them saying they wish the next Uncharted game should be exclusive or if a lem said they hope the next Halo game should be exclusive. There is no logical reason as to why MGS5 should be exclusive to PS3. The PS3 is not much different from 360 in terms of power and if you were truly concerned about having the game be as good looking as possible you'd want it on PC. This isn't the wishes of Metal Gear fans, these are cows with entitlement issues. There are only a hand full of game in the series that are exclusive to Playstation systems, the series didn't even start on Playstation. You know if a lem went into a thread about, say, Assassin's Creed III and claimed that is should be a 360 exclusive do you honestly believe no one would confront or criticize them for it. Don't fool yourself, this isn't uncalled for. ShadowMoses900

I'm not a cow, and I don't care if it comes to 360. Doesn't bother me at all, I'm just afraid it might not be as good as it could be by having it be a multiplat, if it was just made for PS3 then they could make it look like Uncharted graphics or something.

But I have faith in Kojima, he will pull it off. Only a fanboy would be mad at it coming to 360, I just want it to be good and not "dumbed down" so to speak by coming to 360. If Kojima can avoid dumbing it down then that's fine by me.

More people that get to play the game the better, but I doubt most 360 owners would like the game. The Xbox demographic is different.

What?

i dont think mGS 5 is going to be made for the ps3 or 360 but rather their successors

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]

Holy Crap. And out comes the fanboy. Look at this great page of butthurt tears:lol:

By the way, what does any of this have to do with MGS4 or MGS5? :roll:

Plagueless

Calling me a "fanboy" doesn't counter any of my evidence. That's not a rebutel, that's a way to run from an argument.

It has everything to do with MGS, the PS3 is capable of doing games that no other console can do, that goes for the 360 as well. Since PS3 IS more powerful than 360, which I just proved, then it's the resaon why MGS4 will NEVER come to 360, and MGS5 FOX engine won't be as powerful as MGS4 engine if it's multiplat.

Devs, tech geniuses, and the US military all confirm my points which I provided evidence for. Do you know more than Devs do? Do you know better then the US Military Tech teams who are the most talented in the world? Do you think you know more than they do? Didn't think so.

You would be an idiot to argue against that. Your argument flopped, get over it. Just accept the truth, stop listening to your emotions and use logic instead.

You are very ignorant. ShadowMoses proved his points, and you haven't. I did the same thing a while back and Lems just didn't accept it.

The real question is: Why isn't there a 360 exclusive that looks as good as PS3 exclusives?

There's no difference in both versions of COD games, and I think GTA IV looks better on PS3 visually.

Burnout Paradise, Battlefield 3, LA Noire, etc are better on PS3. Why is this? Sorry, you have to face the truth. What you are saying are full of garbage.

@char

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsPFvqguawU

themajormayor

I doubt most 360 owners would like the game. The Xbox demographic is different.ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

As anyone honestly suggesting MGS5 wouldn't work on 360? Are people that delusional?

Tessellation

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

@char

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsPFvqguawU

charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

@char

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsPFvqguawU

FireSpirit117

Perfect! I've been looking forward to a true Metal Gear game :D

I wonder though, I think it will be to soon to play as Solid Snake, even though we've had Peace Walker and will have Raiden inbetween, I think its too soon to "return" to Solid Snake after MGS4 supposedly finishing off. If its up to me I'd make:

MGS5 - the tale of The Boss, WWII, you play with Cobra Unit and find out how it was formed, when Ocelot was born etc.. Maybe hint that the Nazis invented Metal Gear, etc.

---- some sort of spin off as Rat Patrol 1, perhaps an MGS1 "next-gen remake" or Metal Gear 1-2 reboots ---

MGS6: actually killing of Solid Snake. Snake did have like what was it.. three or six months left to live after saving the world? Perhaps some sort of Snake was only on vacation but the world is f'd up and they need Snake to return, sounds cliché but Kojima will fix a complex and enticing story. Maybe MGS6 will surpass MGS4 as the best game ever made... I can imagine MGS5 being a WW2 stealth getting 9.5 and MGS6 being another 10/10

Rising = 9/10 or so.

I still think they could have ended the franchise and moved on to movies after making the best game ever made; Metal Gear Solid 4.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

As anyone honestly suggesting MGS5 wouldn't work on 360? Are people that delusional?

Stevo_the_gamer

The real question is: Why isn't there a 360 exclusive that looks as good as PS3 exclusives?

GamerwillzPS

There are games that look great on the Xbox 360. Whether or not they look "better" or "inferior" is so petty to argue about since it's subjective and can't be proven by any of you. Give it a rest, and stop worshiping your plastic wife--it's unhealthy.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

As anyone honestly suggesting MGS5 wouldn't work on 360? Are people that delusional?

Stevo_the_gamer

That and 360 owners wouldn't understand it's complicated story. :P

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] some delusional basement dweller sony fanboy said that 360 can't handle the sub HD engine of MGS4 :lol:HalcyonScarlet

That and 360 owners wouldn't understand it's complicated story. :P

For the record complicated =//= good

And it's really only directed at MGS2, 4 and maybe Peace Walker.

The rest of the series actually usually has a pretty coherent plot.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]

Holy Crap. And out comes the fanboy. Look at this great page of butthurt tears:lol:

By the way, what does any of this have to do with MGS4 or MGS5? :roll:

Plagueless

Calling me a "fanboy" doesn't counter any of my evidence. That's not a rebutel, that's a way to run from an argument.

It has everything to do with MGS, the PS3 is capable of doing games that no other console can do, that goes for the 360 as well. Since PS3 IS more powerful than 360, which I just proved, then it's the resaon why MGS4 will NEVER come to 360, and MGS5 FOX engine won't be as powerful as MGS4 engine if it's multiplat.

Devs, tech geniuses, and the US military all confirm my points which I provided evidence for. Do you know more than Devs do? Do you know better then the US Military Tech teams who are the most talented in the world? Do you think you know more than they do? Didn't think so.

You would be an idiot to argue against that. Your argument flopped, get over it. Just accept the truth, stop listening to your emotions and use logic instead.

Bad ports are due to bad devs, and most of them you listed are actually identical on PS3. Like Mass Effect for instance. None of those games run better on 360, if you played both you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Skyrim and Fallout got patched and are the same as 360 now.

Red Dead Redemption: PS3 vs 360 Comparison - IGN

Elders Scroll's Skyrim - Xbox 360, Ps3 & PC comparison - HD

Modern Warfare 3 - Xbox 360, Ps3 & PC HD Comparison

Grand Theft Auto 4 - Xbox360 vs Playstation 3 - IGN

Mass Effect 2: PS3 vs 360 vs PC - HD Graphics Comparison - IGN

Assassin's Creed Revelations - Xbox 360 vs PS3 HD Comparison

If you say you see a difference, then your lying. You have an emotional attachment to your system and are insecure about it. Anyone that thinks their system has better multiplats is delusional. Most multiplats are identical. You can believe whatever makes you happy, I presented evidence, all of which is captured in FULL HD.

But I guess you gotta believe whatever helps you sleep at night I suppose. A shame you can't just buy a PS3, it's what you really want. You can't afford one so your jealous of it and trying to justify your purchase. This video sums up nicely of what people like you think, and why thinking you have "better multiplats" is stupid.

Call of Duty: Black Ops: PS3 vs. Xbox 360 is Stupid by Machinima

And here is straight from the horses mouth on why MGS4 is NOT possible on 360, period.

MGS4 on 360 'impossible', says Devs | Games industry news ...

Stop arguing with devs, stop arguing with the military tech teams, stop arguing against the evidence. If this was a court room you would have to counter my points with EVIDENCE. Not run around crying and calling me names or making baseless claims. If I accused you of murder and your defense was "oh he's just a fanboy" that's not a defense.

Lmfao you've never owned me or Solidty, and Solidty is a manticore and GOTY - Gamespotter of the year!Mozelleple112

I wish Kojima would work on something else for a while... like a new Zone of Enders or a Snatcher remake.

Metal Gear, as much as I love the series, has become overplayed. I guess they could make a game about The Boss in her prime, but I feel like it would just be treading in unnecessary plot lines.

I wish Kojima would work on something else for a while... like a new Zone of Endersslothboyadvance

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Oh lawd.Tessellation

I wish Kojima would work on something else for a while... like a new Zone of Enders or a Snatcher remake.

Metal Gear, as much as I love the series, has become overplayed. I guess they could make a game about The Boss in her prime, but I feel like it would just be treading in unnecessary plot lines.

slothboyadvance

I thought he was working on something called Project Ogre? Or was that a codename for MGS5?

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Lmfao you've never owned me or Solidty, and Solidty is a manticore and GOTY - Gamespotter of the year!Eddie-Vedder

All it got is Halo, Gears and Forza! :lol:

And Lems are still trying to spin it into a good thing. They are very insecure with their console and they are doing whatever they can to help them sleep better at night.

Man, why don't they just go and get a PS3? How hard is that? It's only around £180 for a PS3.

He has a higher gamerscore then all you hardcore lems put together. You're just mad he tells it like it is. Most people around here you guys call cows are manticore PS3/PC players, they just tell it like it is and lems cry. Face the facts, the 360 is a pathetic platform with no games. Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Lmfao you've never owned me or Solidty, and Solidty is a manticore and GOTY - Gamespotter of the year!Stevo_the_gamer