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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I doubt most 360 owners would like the game. The Xbox demographic is different.vashkey

No, each system is targeting different people and age groups. This is a marketing fact.

Wii=kids and family gaming experineces

360=Kids and Teens

PS3=Young Adults and Adults

All one has to do is look at the appeal of each system. Just look at the 360 layout, it's big and colorful like Myspace with disney cartoon like avatars that you can customize. It also has ads for concerts for teen bands and products like Axe, wich are targeting younger demographics. Jump into an XBL match, full of kids.

360 was cheaper when it came out, most kids just asked their mommy and daddy for one and that's what they got. PS3 was more expensive which required one with an income bracket to purchase, also the PlayStation brand is older than the 360 one, so most of it's fanbase has grown up now.

Here many devs agree:

Sony has "more artistic and adult-focused taste," says Journey dev

PSN's users more mature than XBL's says Devs

Xbox more juvenile than PS3 says Devs - Computer and Video Games

Different audinces appreciate different things. They have different tastes. 360 is the everymans console, PS3 is the luxuery console, and not everyone can have or afford a luxery. 360 = Common car, PS3 = Lamborgini or Ferrai.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Lmfao you've never owned me or Solidty, and Solidty is a manticore and GOTY - Gamespotter of the year!Mozelleple112

360=Kids and Teens

PS3=Young Adults and Adults

All one has to do is look at the appeal of each system. Just look at the 360 layout, it's big and colorful like Myspace with disney cartoon like avatars that you can customize. It also has ads for concerts for teen bands and products like Axe, wich are targeting younger demographics. Jump into an XBL match, full of kids.

360 was cheaper when it came out, most kids just asked their mommy and daddy for one and that's what they got. PS3 was more expensive which required one with an income bracket to purchase, also the PlayStation brand is older than the 360 one, so most of it's fanbase has grown up now.

ShadowMoses900

LOL

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] He has a higher gamerscore then all you hardcore lems put together. You're just mad he tells it like it is. Most people around here you guys call cows are manticore PS3/PC players, they just tell it like it is and lems cry. Face the facts, the 360 is a pathetic platform with no games. Stevo_the_gamer

I own a 360 too and it's crap, what I'm saying is a lot of us trolling lems actually are basing our trolling on reality, we actually play games on a bunch of systems a lot of us actually own and have experience with the 360 and it's simply a fact that it's way behind the PS3 in pretty much everything except arcade games support. Most lems are either simply cow haters, or 360 only gamers. All they talk about is "last place", "kinect" and "sales NPD" bla bla bla. Anyone wanting to have a serious discussion on these platforms will tell you the 360 became a joke while the PS3 just kept on getting better all gen long. Eddie-Vedder

Which further adds to "just because you play on another platform" doesn't negate your biases. Just because you own a Xbox 360 doesn't negate the PS3 being your preferred console.

Lemmings like using sales to their benefit just like cows try to use sales when its their benefit (also highlights the usage of scores as well). Cows and lemmings like using double standards, simple way of life in SystemWars.

PS3=Young Adults and AdultsShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]You see, the PS3 can run games better than 360. But, when it does, the games are linear scripted stories where there is much less strain on the GPU, and the Cell can show It's muscle. themajormayor

Infamous 2. Open world. Smooth framerate. Great graphics. Lots of NPCs on screen. Even some destructible environments. Overall much more impressive than all the games you listed.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

360=Kids and Teens

PS3=Young Adults and Adults

All one has to do is look at the appeal of each system. Just look at the 360 layout, it's big and colorful like Myspace with disney cartoon like avatars that you can customize. It also has ads for concerts for teen bands and products like Axe, wich are targeting younger demographics. Jump into an XBL match, full of kids.

360 was cheaper when it came out, most kids just asked their mommy and daddy for one and that's what they got. PS3 was more expensive which required one with an income bracket to purchase, also the PlayStation brand is older than the 360 one, so most of it's fanbase has grown up now.

Stevo_the_gamer

LOL

You will find kids and adults on both systems, however it is a safe ratio to assume that 360 has more kids and PS3 has more adults because the two systems target and interest different age groups.

Digital Youth Audience Research - Microsoft Advertising - Europe

There you go, from MS themselves. Just look at Kinect and why it's successful. It's because the 360 is aimed at younger audiences.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

360=Kids and Teens

PS3=Young Adults and Adults

All one has to do is look at the appeal of each system. Just look at the 360 layout, it's big and colorful like Myspace with disney cartoon like avatars that you can customize. It also has ads for concerts for teen bands and products like Axe, wich are targeting younger demographics. Jump into an XBL match, full of kids.

360 was cheaper when it came out, most kids just asked their mommy and daddy for one and that's what they got. PS3 was more expensive which required one with an income bracket to purchase, also the PlayStation brand is older than the 360 one, so most of it's fanbase has grown up now.

ShadowMoses900

LOL

You will find kids and adults on both systems, however it is a safe ratio to assume that 360 has more kids and PS3 has more adults because the two systems target and interest different age groups.

Digital Youth Audience Research - Microsoft Advertising - Europe

There you go, from MS themselves. Just look at Kinect and why it's successful. It's because the 360 is mean for younger audiences.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]I own a 360 too and it's crap, what I'm saying is a lot of us trolling lems actually are basing our trolling on reality, we actually play games on a bunch of systems a lot of us actually own and have experience with the 360 and it's simply a fact that it's way behind the PS3 in pretty much everything except arcade games support. Most lems are either simply cow haters, or 360 only gamers. All they talk about is "last place", "kinect" and "sales NPD" bla bla bla. Anyone wanting to have a serious discussion on these platforms will tell you the 360 became a joke while the PS3 just kept on getting better all gen long. Stevo_the_gamer

Which further adds to "just because you play on another platform" doesn't negate your biases. Just because you own a Xbox 360 doesn't negate the PS3 being your preferred console.

Lemmings like using sales to their benefit just like cows try to use sales when its their benefit (also highlights the usage of scores as well). Cows and lemmings like using double standards, simple way of life in SystemWars.

Dragon Age and Prototype too run better on PS3kuraimen

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]You see, the PS3 can run games better than 360. But, when it does, the games are linear scripted stories where there is much less strain on the GPU, and the Cell can show It's muscle. kuraimen

Infamous 2. Open world. Smooth framerate. Great graphics. Lots of NPCs on screen. Even some destructible environments. Overall much more impressive than all the games you listed.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

360=Kids and Teens

PS3=Young Adults and Adults

All one has to do is look at the appeal of each system. Just look at the 360 layout, it's big and colorful like Myspace with disney cartoon like avatars that you can customize. It also has ads for concerts for teen bands and products like Axe, wich are targeting younger demographics. Jump into an XBL match, full of kids.

360 was cheaper when it came out, most kids just asked their mommy and daddy for one and that's what they got. PS3 was more expensive which required one with an income bracket to purchase, also the PlayStation brand is older than the 360 one, so most of it's fanbase has grown up now.

Stevo_the_gamer

LOL

This thread is so facepalm worthy.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

LOL

Stevo_the_gamer

You will find kids and adults on both systems, however it is a safe ratio to assume that 360 has more kids and PS3 has more adults because the two systems target and interest different age groups.

Digital Youth Audience Research - Microsoft Advertising - Europe

There you go, from MS themselves. Just look at Kinect and why it's successful. It's because the 360 is mean for younger audiences.

Wonderbook is also aimed at kids, indeed. However that is not their focus as evident of the main fanbase and why Move hasn't been as succusseful.

MS even disagrees with you, and you worship them. If your "god" says your wrong, then you should probably listen.

Lems make me laugh.

I have 2 separate PS3 libraries, one of them is a collection of multiplats and the another is exclusives. The exclusive stack is pretty tall. You know what I find laughable? The stack of my 360 exclusives. It's tiny in comparison with PS3. They are sitting right next to PS3 exclusives, and the difference is big.

Sorry Lems if I made it more difficult for you to relax before you go to bed, but you got to face the truth.

Solution to butthurt is simple:-

1. Open the window

2. Throw your 360 out

3. Go and get a PS3

Then a smile will come on your faces.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You will find kids and adults on both systems, however it is a safe ratio to assume that 360 has more kids and PS3 has more adults because the two systems target and interest different age groups.

Digital Youth Audience Research - Microsoft Advertising - Europe

There you go, from MS themselves. Just look at Kinect and why it's successful. It's because the 360 is mean for younger audiences.

ShadowMoses900

Wonderbook is also aimed at kids, indeed. However that is not their focus as evident of the main fanbase and why Move hasn't been as succusseful.

MS even disagrees with you, and you worship them. If your "god" says your wrong, then you should probably listen.

Wonderbook is also aimed at kids, indeed. However that is not their focus as evident of the main fanbase and why Move hasn't been as succusseful.

MS even disagrees with you, and you worship them. If your "god" says your wrong, then you should probably listen.

ShadowMoses900

It was at E3.

Maybe in your delusions. lol

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I doubt most 360 owners would like the game. The Xbox demographic is different.ShadowMoses900

No, each system is targeting different people and age groups. This is a marketing fact.

Wii=kids and family gaming experineces

360=Kids and Teens

PS3=Young Adults and Adults

All one has to do is look at the appeal of each system. Just look at the 360 layout, it's big and colorful like Myspace with disney cartoon like avatars that you can customize. It also has ads for concerts for teen bands and products like Axe, wich are targeting younger demographics. Jump into an XBL match, full of kids.

360 was cheaper when it came out, most kids just asked their mommy and daddy for one and that's what they got. PS3 was more expensive which required one with an income bracket to purchase, also the PlayStation brand is older than the 360 one, so most of it's fanbase has grown up now.

Here many devs agree:

Sony has "more artistic and adult-focused taste," says Journey dev

PSN's users more mature than XBL's says Devs

Xbox more juvenile than PS3 says Devs - Computer and Video Games

Different audinces appreciate different things. They have different tastes. 360 is the everymans console, PS3 is the luxuery console, and not everyone can have or afford a luxery. 360 = Common car, PS3 = Lamborgini or Ferrai.

"a marketing fact", practically an oxymoron.

Those are all crazy opinions.

Do you honestly believe this?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Infamous 2. Open world. Smooth framerate. Great graphics. Lots of NPCs on screen. Even some destructible environments. Overall much more impressive than all the games you listed.

themajormayor

And Fallout got pathced a week after it came out and plays exactly the same as the 360 version, you can't tell a difference. Lems fabricate things because they are insecure about their system and are trying to justify it's purcase. They can't handle the fact that PS3 exclusives look better and are more advanced then anything on 360.

It's easier to believe something you want then the truth.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Dragon Age and Prototype too run better on PS3ShadowMoses900

And Fallout got pathced a week after it came out and plays exactly the same as the 360 version, you can't tell a difference. Lems fabricate things because they are insecure about their system and are trying to justify it's purcase. They can't handle the fact that PS3 exclusives look better and are more advanced then anything on 360.

It's easier to believe something you want then the truth.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Infamous 2. Open world. Smooth framerate. Great graphics. Lots of NPCs on screen. Even some destructible environments. Overall much more impressive than all the games you listed.

kuraimen

''Skyrim: The Digital Foundry Verdict So to round up, this is a valiant overall effort by Bethesda at delivering a bewilderingly huge fantasy game to three platforms, each of varying technical strengths and weaknesses. But, despite their best and most well-meaning efforts at achieving parity on both consoles, we can confirm that the 360 does command a clear advantage over the PS3 when it comes to both image quality and performance. Even with the PS3's mandatory install, the geometry pop-in in certain areas is more distracting than it is on Microsoft's platform, and the light blur introduced by its post-processing tends to affect the clarity of the image as a whole.''

And Fallout got pathced a week after it came out and plays exactly the same as the 360 version

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] Dragon Age and Prototype too run better on PS3Tessellation

''Skyrim: The Digital Foundry Verdict So to round up, this is a valiant overall effort by Bethesda at delivering a bewilderingly huge fantasy game to three platforms, each of varying technical strengths and weaknesses. But, despite their best and most well-meaning efforts at achieving parity on both consoles, we can confirm that the 360 does command a clear advantage over the PS3 when it comes to both image quality and performance. Even with the PS3's mandatory install, the geometry pop-in in certain areas is more distracting than it is on Microsoft's platform, and the light blur introduced by its post-processing tends to affect the clarity of the image as a whole.''

I confirm the opposite.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Infamous 2. Open world. Smooth framerate. Great graphics. Lots of NPCs on screen. Even some destructible environments. Overall much more impressive than all the games you listed.

themajormayor

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] La Noire and Skyrim too. Not to mention all the ones that are equally good. But one fallout and lems brag for years... fallout looks pretty crappy anywaythemajormayor

''Skyrim: The Digital Foundry Verdict So to round up, this is a valiant overall effort by Bethesda at delivering a bewilderingly huge fantasy game to three platforms, each of varying technical strengths and weaknesses. But, despite their best and most well-meaning efforts at achieving parity on both consoles, we can confirm that the 360 does command a clear advantage over the PS3 when it comes to both image quality and performance. Even with the PS3's mandatory install, the geometry pop-in in certain areas is more distracting than it is on Microsoft's platform, and the light blur introduced by its post-processing tends to affect the clarity of the image as a whole.''

I confirm the opposite.

I think I'm one of the few people left who still feels that MGS4 is a genuine 10/10 game. So needless to say, I'm excited.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] sorry but you're wrong about skyrim

''Skyrim: The Digital Foundry Verdict So to round up, this is a valiant overall effort by Bethesda at delivering a bewilderingly huge fantasy game to three platforms, each of varying technical strengths and weaknesses. But, despite their best and most well-meaning efforts at achieving parity on both consoles, we can confirm that the 360 does command a clear advantage over the PS3 when it comes to both image quality and performance. Even with the PS3's mandatory install, the geometry pop-in in certain areas is more distracting than it is on Microsoft's platform, and the light blur introduced by its post-processing tends to affect the clarity of the image as a whole.''

Tessellation

I confirm the opposite.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="vashkey"] No it's not, the demographics are practically the same which is why the libraries are nearly the same, which is why the HD collection and Revengeance are coming to 360. If Final Fantasy XIII, Splinter Cell, Deus Ex and Assassin's Creed can sell well on 360(and I'm not saying Final Fantasy sells better on 360, but that it sells well) then I absolutely refuse to believe that Metal Gear wouldn't find a sizable fanbase on 360.HalcyonScarlet

No, each system is targeting different people and age groups. This is a marketing fact.

Wii=kids and family gaming experineces

360=Kids and Teens

PS3=Young Adults and Adults

All one has to do is look at the appeal of each system. Just look at the 360 layout, it's big and colorful like Myspace with disney cartoon like avatars that you can customize. It also has ads for concerts for teen bands and products like Axe, wich are targeting younger demographics. Jump into an XBL match, full of kids.

360 was cheaper when it came out, most kids just asked their mommy and daddy for one and that's what they got. PS3 was more expensive which required one with an income bracket to purchase, also the PlayStation brand is older than the 360 one, so most of it's fanbase has grown up now.

Here many devs agree:

Sony has "more artistic and adult-focused taste," says Journey dev

PSN's users more mature than XBL's says Devs

Xbox more juvenile than PS3 says Devs - Computer and Video Games

Different audinces appreciate different things. They have different tastes. 360 is the everymans console, PS3 is the luxuery console, and not everyone can have or afford a luxery. 360 = Common car, PS3 = Lamborgini or Ferrai.

"a marketing fact", practically an oxymoron.

Those are all crazy opinions.

Do you honestly believe this?

No they are not, every product and ad is trying to cater to a cetain group of "percieved" people, or an age demographic. You won't find a beer commercial or a party movie on the National Geographic Channel, but you would on MTV. Different groups of people and age demographics. NG is made for intellectuals and mature people, MTV is made for morons and teens.

Game consoles are much the same way. Just look at the 360, it's interface screams "teens and kids", it's online community is "teens and kids" for the most part. MS said this themselves, that's who they are catering too and it works. Don't get mad at me, it's just how it is.

People only bought a 360 really because they were too poor to buy a PS3, or their parents were too poor to buy one. Adults have more money to spend then kids, this is a fact. Thus they bought a PS3, kids had their mommies and daddies buy them a 360 because it was cheaper.

Lems make me laugh.

I have 2 separate PS3 libraries, one of them is a collection of multiplats and the another is exclusives. The exclusive stack is pretty tall. You know what I find laughable? The stack of my 360 exclusives. It's tiny in comparison with PS3. They are sitting right next to PS3 exclusives, and the difference is big.

Sorry Lems if I made it more difficult for you to relax before you go to bed, but you got to face the truth.

Solution to butthurt is simple:-

1. Open the window

2. Throw your 360 out

3. Go and get a PS3

Then a smile will come on your faces.

GamerwillzPS

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

I confirm the opposite.

themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] i care jack about you confirming it,digital foundry >>> tiny you.Tessellation

Yes and their findings is what they post for all of us to see=holds weight. And then they make their own judgement based on their findings=doesn't hold any weight. If you're basing your argument on their judgement you are making a logical fallacy. This isn't rock science bro.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] sorry but you're wrong about skyrim

''Skyrim: The Digital Foundry Verdict So to round up, this is a valiant overall effort by Bethesda at delivering a bewilderingly huge fantasy game to three platforms, each of varying technical strengths and weaknesses. But, despite their best and most well-meaning efforts at achieving parity on both consoles, we can confirm that the 360 does command a clear advantage over the PS3 when it comes to both image quality and performance. Even with the PS3's mandatory install, the geometry pop-in in certain areas is more distracting than it is on Microsoft's platform, and the light blur introduced by its post-processing tends to affect the clarity of the image as a whole.''

Tessellation

I confirm the opposite.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

I confirm the opposite.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Proof?Tessellation

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Proof?Tessellation

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] sorry but you're wrong about skyrim

''Skyrim: The Digital Foundry Verdict So to round up, this is a valiant overall effort by Bethesda at delivering a bewilderingly huge fantasy game to three platforms, each of varying technical strengths and weaknesses. But, despite their best and most well-meaning efforts at achieving parity on both consoles, we can confirm that the 360 does command a clear advantage over the PS3 when it comes to both image quality and performance. Even with the PS3's mandatory install, the geometry pop-in in certain areas is more distracting than it is on Microsoft's platform, and the light blur introduced by its post-processing tends to affect the clarity of the image as a whole.''

Tessellation

I confirm the opposite.

That is an argumetn of appeal to authority, in order for this to be successful you have to prove your source (DF) to be two things:

1) Reliable and credible

2) Not bias or prone to outside influences

If you can prove those two things, then DF can be considered legit. Until then they are pointless and do not equal fact.

Argument from authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fallacious appeals to authority?

Biased authorities

There is no legitment evidence to suggest DF is reliable, they have no wiki page, they have devs praising them, other sources that do comparisons often contradict their findings, you cannot see their claims in game play videos, they are not invited for dev intereviews, there are no tech credentials for them.

So if they are legit like you say, then surely they must have these things. They are also many accusations of biased against them. Ultimately they are a no named site that no one outside of fanboy sites on the interent knows about. No one in real life has heard about them.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Proof?themajormayor

Just take my money Kojima

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

I confirm the opposite.

kuraimen